If Stockley goes we need Bonne + 1 more, if Leaburn goes as well then we need Bonne + 2. If they were seriously considering selling Leaburn then it's madness to let Stockley leave.
This is why Aneke is causing such a headache. If the plan is to play 433 more often than not, it's unrealistic to want 4 strikers. But if Aneke is one of the three, it's probably not enough.
If you look at it Ness, JRS and Leaburn don't count in the squad cap. It means you can have 2 players for ever position plus another 3.
2 extra strikers and an extra center back give you the option of playing 352 as well and counters the Aneke problem.
Even excluding Aneke it was criminal to go into the season with 1 senior striker. Leaburn has, almost single handedly, kept us out of the brown stuff.
Bonne actually started the post-Championship season pretty well. I recall a cracking goal away to Swindon in the strange (played on a Saturday) EFL Cup game.
Let’s not forget that he got most of his goals for us were prior to our squad being crippled with injuries. He was fresh out of non league. Not really sure why it didn’t work out at QPR, personality, formation? At Ipswich he was part of an underperforming squad but still turned in 12 goals. Fraser was with him and clearly didn’t fit. Maybe he will come to us and improve in the same way Fraser is now. Let’s not shoot him down before he’s kicked a ball.
Have a Gillingham supporting friend who expects them to announce the signing of Stockley today
I know he’s not the most popular player here anymore but surely he’s better than League Two?
I could be wrong, but I honestly think he used to be. He simply isn't the same player this season; since that back injury. So full of respect for him as a person and think he was a brilliant player for us when he arrived, but he has just been unlucky. I think him signing for them will be him agreeing with that assessment.
I tend to think that this concern about loan rather than perm is overblown. The last few players we paid money for ie DJ, KIrk, Schwartz and Stockley have been relatively disappointing. Stockley not as bad as the others. We have had some great loan players like Bielik, Cullen, Millar , Gallagher, Da Silva, Maatsen and Rak Saki. I think if I was Thomas I would try and utilise the free and loan market almost exclusively too. It makes sound business sense and reduces losses. The key is having a balance and how the manager motivates them. Sessegnon works just as hard as the contracted payers. I think the criticism of Bonne is OTT. He was OK, he definitely knows where the goal is and his success or not will be as much down to what system he plays in and how Holden manages him. The worry would be that they ship out Stockley at the same time and don't replace him because Bonne is the Washington/ Davison replacement , not the Stockley replacement.
Have a Gillingham supporting friend who expects them to announce the signing of Stockley today
I know he’s not the most popular player here anymore but surely he’s better than League Two?
If he can get back to anything like his ability when he was on loan to us initially and most of last season he’ll be one of the best strikers in L2 (maybe the best). I’m not sure how much faith I have that it’s possible unfortunately.
For Stockley it probably makes sense, Gillingham have money and it is maybe his last chance at a decent contract.
If Stockley goes we need Bonne + 1 more, if Leaburn goes as well then we need Bonne + 2. If they were seriously considering selling Leaburn then it's madness to let Stockley leave.
This is why Aneke is causing such a headache. If the plan is to play 433 more often than not, it's unrealistic to want 4 strikers. But if Aneke is one of the three, it's probably not enough.
If you look at it Ness, JRS and Leaburn don't count in the squad cap. It means you can have 2 players for ever position plus another 3.
2 extra strikers and an extra center back give you the option of playing 352 as well and counters the Aneke problem.
Even excluding Aneke it was criminal to go into the season with 1 senior striker. Leaburn has, almost single handedly, kept us out of the brown stuff.
I totally agree, we can comfortably have the numbers, but it's affordability. I'm not sure we can afford a 25/26 man squad. It was definitely criminal to go into the season with only Stockley, because Aneke was injured and Leaburn raw.
I don't think it's realistic to have 4 wingers and 4 strikers. You could start 3 and have to leave out 5. If we consider 352, it's a formation where we're likely to leave out all wingers.
I guess one solution is to go with only 3 wingers and 4 strikers, with Leaburn as an option as a RW given he's played there a few times or even Payne.
Bonne actually started the post-Championship season pretty well. I recall a cracking goal away to Swindon in the strange (played on a Saturday) EFL Cup game.
Was that the on the turn volley? Even Bowyer complimented it.
Oh no! Not Bonne please.. Everyone will go on about the goals he scored.. He should have had 25 goals, the amount of great chances he had. Still believe if he had put away a couple of those we would have stayed up, and might be a different story now!
But lets get realistic - unless we are paying to wages, this is the pond we are fishing in!
Well yeah, he's a striker. He probably could have had 25 goals if he scored absolutely every chance and half chance that came his way, but if he did that he'd be Erling Haaland and we wouldn't have had him playing for us. The standard people hold Bonne to is insane, there can't be many players who generate this level of irrational hatred. If Bonne had put away some more of his chances then yes, we might have stayed up, but the only reason we were in the conversation was because of the 11 goals he did score after being brought in as a backup from non-league. No-one else scored in that team. Taylor did when he wasn't crippled or scared of being crippled and Gallagher put some away but they weren't there at the end.
Here's a fact about Bonne I hadn't realised; not counting this half season where he hasn't really played and isn't complete yet, in his last 5 seasons Bonne has been his club's league top scorer in 4 of them. In two of those he was joint top scorer. He wasn't good for QPR inbetween, but Ipswich signed 25 players last season and used 5 different strikers (including Joe Pigott who was CL transfer darling for a while) and they didn't get more goals out of anyone. Wes Burns equalled him in the league and also scored one in the FA Cup, which Bonne couldn't manage, the big clown. Bonne scores goals. We need goals. We don't have to like him but on paper he's a player we'd be excited about if we hadn't seen him before and decided we hate him (despite him being our top scorer the one year he was here)
Have a Gillingham supporting friend who expects them to announce the signing of Stockley today
I know he’s not the most popular player here anymore but surely he’s better than League Two?
If he can get back to anything like his ability when he was on loan to us initially and most of last season he’ll be one of the best strikers in L2 (maybe the best). I’m not sure how much faith I have that it’s possible unfortunately.
For Stockley it probably makes sense, Gillingham have money and it is maybe his last chance at a decent contract.
Yep, you could be right ......; at pushing 30, mobility knackered by a problem injury, his ambitions will perhaps be tailored to what is best for his family?
It's Charlton so I am assuming Edun has been dropped as a little more expensive than Kane. We will now have 3 (fit) right footed full backs fighting it out/covering the Right and Left back position.
That sounds more like us. Bit like what we did at CB and LB during the Summer market.
It's Charlton so I am assuming Edun has been dropped as a little more expensive than Kane. We will now have 3 (fit) right footed full backs fighting it out/covering the Right and Left back position.
That sounds more like us. Bit like what we did at CB and LB during the Summer market.
I think Edun is done and joining along with Kane. Kane I imagine is short-time cover for Egbo who I don't think we will see again this season sadly.
Can I just shock you... I love Bonne! I think he's a super striker. Can't wait until he scores. I'll put down my flask, stand up (if there's nobody behind me), clap politely and wave my scarf!
If Stockley goes we need Bonne + 1 more, if Leaburn goes as well then we need Bonne + 2. If they were seriously considering selling Leaburn then it's madness to let Stockley leave.
This is why Aneke is causing such a headache. If the plan is to play 433 more often than not, it's unrealistic to want 4 strikers. But if Aneke is one of the three, it's probably not enough.
If you look at it Ness, JRS and Leaburn don't count in the squad cap. It means you can have 2 players for ever position plus another 3.
2 extra strikers and an extra center back give you the option of playing 352 as well and counters the Aneke problem.
Even excluding Aneke it was criminal to go into the season with 1 senior striker. Leaburn has, almost single handedly, kept us out of the brown stuff.
I totally agree, we can comfortably have the numbers, but it's affordability. I'm not sure we can afford a 25/26 man squad. It was definitely criminal to go into the season with only Stockley, because Aneke was injured and Leaburn raw.
I don't think it's realistic to have 4 wingers and 4 strikers. You could start 3 and have to leave out 5. If we consider 352, it's a formation where we're likely to leave out all wingers.
I guess one solution is to go with only 3 wingers and 4 strikers, with Leaburn as an option as a RW given he's played there a few times or even Payne.
This is one of the problems we have had since the 18/19 season IMO. None, or very few, of outer players can "do a job" anywhere other than their very narrow role.
Bonne clearly knows where the goal is. He's done it for us before as a youngster. With our new, fresh, running-at-players midfielders (CBT/Fraser/Dobbo/Rak-Sakyi) running balls into him from here, there and everywhere, I reckon he'll do just fine. Hoping we can keep Miles and see the 2 of them feed off each other - could be very productive. I'm up for it!
Bonne is definitely also done. He's not awful, but he isn't going to pushing Leaburn for a starting berth which is what we all wanted to see from a new striker. Better option in this system than Stockley though imo.
The only real positive with the Bonne move for me is I’m hoping we get a player who has a point to prove and we may have a manager who can make him see that.
Really hoping we get Edun in as well as/instead of Kane.
If Stockley goes we need Bonne + 1 more, if Leaburn goes as well then we need Bonne + 2. If they were seriously considering selling Leaburn then it's madness to let Stockley leave.
This is why Aneke is causing such a headache. If the plan is to play 433 more often than not, it's unrealistic to want 4 strikers. But if Aneke is one of the three, it's probably not enough.
Aneke can play in the 10 role too so just have to use him as the luxury option
Just a suggestion if Bonne signs maybe we could try getting behind him rather than the relentless negativity. I don't understand the attitude of some of our 'fans'.
Exactly
in true Charlton life fashion "we need a striker who has a proven track racked of double figures in this league"....."not that one"
If Stockley goes we need Bonne + 1 more, if Leaburn goes as well then we need Bonne + 2. If they were seriously considering selling Leaburn then it's madness to let Stockley leave.
This is why Aneke is causing such a headache. If the plan is to play 433 more often than not, it's unrealistic to want 4 strikers. But if Aneke is one of the three, it's probably not enough.
If you look at it Ness, JRS and Leaburn don't count in the squad cap. It means you can have 2 players for ever position plus another 3.
2 extra strikers and an extra center back give you the option of playing 352 as well and counters the Aneke problem.
Even excluding Aneke it was criminal to go into the season with 1 senior striker. Leaburn has, almost single handedly, kept us out of the brown stuff.
I totally agree, we can comfortably have the numbers, but it's affordability. I'm not sure we can afford a 25/26 man squad. It was definitely criminal to go into the season with only Stockley, because Aneke was injured and Leaburn raw.
I don't think it's realistic to have 4 wingers and 4 strikers. You could start 3 and have to leave out 5. If we consider 352, it's a formation where we're likely to leave out all wingers.
I guess one solution is to go with only 3 wingers and 4 strikers, with Leaburn as an option as a RW given he's played there a few times or even Payne.
This is one of the problems we have had since the 18/19 season IMO. None, or very few, of outer players can "do a job" anywhere other than their very narrow role.
Absolutely, Sess can cover both full-back positions but you'd have to say we've only really got Clare who is versatile. Payne has been used in multiple positions, but I'd argue that's because of a lack of options.
I know Bonne isn't the most inspiring choice but at the end of the day we need another striker, one who isn't crocked or immobile for when Leaburn needs a rest or potentially injured.
Bonne has scored at this level for us and other teams and at the level above. We need the cover and there are definitely worse options, as Golfie said, I'd put money on him scoring more than Stockley has this season.
If we were being linked with a striker who had identical stats to Bonne but a different name, there wouldn't be nearly as much negativity about it.
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2 extra strikers and an extra center back give you the option of playing 352 as well and counters the Aneke problem.
Even excluding Aneke it was criminal to go into the season with 1 senior striker. Leaburn has, almost single handedly, kept us out of the brown stuff.
He was fresh out of non league.
Not really sure why it didn’t work out at QPR, personality, formation? At Ipswich he was part of an underperforming squad but still turned in 12 goals.
Fraser was with him and clearly didn’t fit. Maybe he will come to us and improve in the same way Fraser is now.
Let’s not shoot him down before he’s kicked a ball.
I think the criticism of Bonne is OTT. He was OK, he definitely knows where the goal is and his success or not will be as much down to what system he plays in and how Holden manages him. The worry would be that they ship out Stockley at the same time and don't replace him because Bonne is the Washington/ Davison replacement , not the Stockley replacement.
For Stockley it probably makes sense, Gillingham have money and it is maybe his last chance at a decent contract.
I don't think it's realistic to have 4 wingers and 4 strikers. You could start 3 and have to leave out 5. If we consider 352, it's a formation where we're likely to leave out all wingers.
I guess one solution is to go with only 3 wingers and 4 strikers, with Leaburn as an option as a RW given he's played there a few times or even Payne.
The life of an average footballer.
Mullin is playing at NL level for Wrexham and is certainly a lot higher ability wise.
I always liked Bonne when he was here, I look forward to seeing an alternative to Stockley & Leaburn.
That sounds more like us. Bit like what we did at CB and LB during the Summer market.
Kane I imagine is short-time cover for Egbo who I don't think we will see again this season sadly.
Come on the Red Addicks!
in true Charlton life fashion "we need a striker who has a proven track racked of double figures in this league"....."not that one"
Can't stand Bonne as a player. Scores a few goals but makes the entire team worse to the point where we'd score more as a team with him not in it.
Bonne has scored at this level for us and other teams and at the level above. We need the cover and there are definitely worse options, as Golfie said, I'd put money on him scoring more than Stockley has this season.
If we were being linked with a striker who had identical stats to Bonne but a different name, there wouldn't be nearly as much negativity about it.