All of you bleating about not wanting 'to watch this shit anymore', or ' I don't want to renew my season ticket ', then don't: you're under no obligation to do so. We're a third division club with third division players and a third division manager, yet the expectations/sense of entitlement on here exceed these basic facts. Supporting Charlton means supporting a club that has no guarantee of success - two play-off wins at Wembley, anyone? - and, at times, watching turgid football played by average players. I probably watch 10 - 12 games a season now the the lad's away and can probably afford to be more sanguine about what happens on the pitch, but it's still Charlton, a team that will infuriate and disappoint, but one that I'm still proud to call my team.
If you shopped in Waitrose or M&S you would correctly feel entitled to better products than if you'd gone to Netto.
We are currently below Cheltenham and other clubs with worse resources, cheaper tickets and lower paid players than at Charlton.
But that's OK - let's all just lower our expectations to that level, and go happily along with it.
Entitlement - what a load of old rot.
Table doesn’t lie, wherever you shop - the meal is the meal. If we are beneath teams in the Div 3 standings, we are not as good as them over a season’s worth of tests. No idea what Netto is but it clearly has products that, when put together, can produce a meal better than that expensive produce at Waitrose. It’s fair to say that we don’t shop that well at M&S either, given what we brought home for tea this year, but some people aspire our Waitrose/M&S stuff (bargain bin?) to taste like the stuff from the Harrods food hall when we can’t even find the way to Netto
Well said @Fanny Fanackapan. All heavy weight fans on here can see it and I dare say generally agree what is needed re building blocks.
I'm very disappointed in Sandgaards intransigence on this. There is no shame to admit you are green in a new industry. The correct approach would have been to get Varney, Curbishley and Everitt in and listened to and acted on their advice.
As I say, we all know and can see what is needed. After 18 months, why is Thomas's ego stopping him from doing the correct thing? He is losing millions of his hard earned with his current approach.
Well said @Fanny Fanackapan. All heavy weight fans on here can see it and I dare say generally agree what is needed re building blocks.
I'm very disappointed in Sandgaards intransigence on this. There is no shame to admit you are green in a new industry. The correct approach would have been to get Varney, Curbishley and Everitt in and listened to and acted on their advice.
As I say, we all know and can see what is needed. After 18 months, why is Thomas's ego stopping him from doing the correct thing? He is losing millions of his hard earned with his current approach.
He has admitted this, he says that his son knows 10 times as much as he does about football but running a football club is easy, it's just another business. We don't need an experienced " Football CEO" We're going to buck the trend & break even etc. (but doesn't say how) Premiership ready ? HaHa the man is deluded.
The problem is of course, none of us could be put in charge of the team and be remotely successful. But if you are watching football for decades, sometimes for longer than the manager has been alive, you may pick up insights about the game that are greater than many in it possess. Albeit from a different perspective.
I do know that it isn't always a case of replacing every player. I agree with Bailey that we should look to keep about 15 or 16 and then if we are smart with the players we add, we could be competitive.
I will add that I don't think it will be easy to recruit the players needed but with contracts for most of the over 30's ending and the loan players returning to parent clubs, a clear strategy for recruitment needs to be put in place. We should be looking at players of the age group of Clare and Dobson, in eighteen months time players like Ness, Leaburn and others will be knocking at the door and the players brought in now need to buy into the ambition of the fans and the management.
A top down refresh is needed. The club is being financed sufficiently by Sandgaard, however the years of neglect are still being felt. The amount of money needed to catch up to where we were 10 years ago, is possibly more than Sandgaard is able or willing to to invest. What is questionable is whether he even understands what, where and how this turnaround gets sorted and at what cost.
As has been suggested by commentators, our squad is good on paper, not in reality. If players are not performing, why is that. Injuries can't be helped, can they? But if the coach can't motivate the player, I question whether they should be at our club, players Or coach.
One thing to consider, if we are crap and underperforming etc, how bad are the other 10-12 teams below?
Pretty sure Curbs used to say, after 46 games, the League doesn't lie.
I know that I started the supermarket analogy but now I have no idea what you're on about.
Hi
I’m OK with that, kinda the point really. No idea what the original shopping reference was all about, so continued the strangled analogy to its bitter end. BUT I am happy to admit that my lack of any recent knowledge of the quality or otherwise of any UK Grocery outlets may not have made me that qualified so to do.
Well said @Fanny Fanackapan. All heavy weight fans on here can see it and I dare say generally agree what is needed re building blocks.
I'm very disappointed in Sandgaards intransigence on this. There is no shame to admit you are green in a new industry. The correct approach would have been to get Varney, Curbishley and Everitt in and listened to and acted on their advice.
As I say, we all know and can see what is needed. After 18 months, why is Thomas's ego stopping him from doing the correct thing? He is losing millions of his hard earned with his current approach.
He has admitted this, he says that his son knows 10 times as much as he does about football but running a football club is easy, it's just another business. We don't need an experienced " Football CEO" We're going to buck the trend & break even etc. (but doesn't say how) Premiership ready ? HaHa the man is deluded.
Plenty of owners have had the same attitude and consequently wasted shedloads of money. We're currently on a par with Accrington whose resources are miniscule in comparison.
Nothing will change if the club is not run by the right people.
Genuine question. The manager of your choice if you could choose any from outside the premier, would do what with this squad?
Before you say “play 433!” I mean, where would we finish in the league?
I'd go for Dave Challinor the Stockport manager. Has a good CV and knows how to set a team up. He's used to getting the best out of journeyman players.
Then the next poster will tell you he hasn't got a promotion from Div1 to Championship on his CV and hasn't been out of the lower leagues.
JJ was part of the Powel record points side to promotion and assistant to Bowyer's promotion, so one could argue he has a good idea of what is needed. Yet anyone else regardless is better than Jackson according to many on here.
Whether Jackson is the right bloke or not I don't know but till there is a clear out of this squads dead wood and too comfortable zone players any manager is going to struggle. The answer to the question will only be revealed next season. Non of us know, we are only going to be guessing and you can't keep sacking managers every time when you know for a fact the most of the squad of players are neither up for it or good enough.
I get the frustration, yet we all know third of the squad are not interested they either know they are on the way out or want to be, thus a recipe for all the crap that is now overtaking.
JJ has nothing on his CV as a manager whatever he achieved as a player and was part of the previous failed coaching setup. If the club setup was better we wouldn't be sacking managers as we'd have a better framework in place.
Our current failure is not simply down to the players.
I hope JJ succeeds but can't see much evidence at present.
I made the same point about JJ being part of the previous failed coaching setup assuming we are referring to Adkins time here.
However he was also part of the Bowyer era as coach and they achieved promotion.
I agree with you about the setup but it has changed slightly whether the lessons have been learned we will find out soon enough.
Of course our current failure is not simply down to the players but neither should we lay the blame for this season down to Jackson, it was a lost cause by the time he took over regardless of the initial winning run he had. The players at that time gave 110% effort for those few games that's impossible to do over the season and sure enough they reverted to type. Also as I'm sure we all agree the recruiting preseason was shambolic.
Regardless he has been given the job by TS and he should be given his chance to make things happen by reshaping the squad. There was a real clamour amongst fans for him to get the job in the first place.
I also hope JJ succeeds for the clubs sake. I personally don't expect to see much evidence of anything positive till the season ends given all the mistakes that have encompassed the last 2 seasons.
Like you, I and everyone on here have concerns for next season. Right now it seems an enormous task to put this right.
Genuine question. The manager of your choice if you could choose any from outside the premier, would do what with this squad?
Before you say “play 433!” I mean, where would we finish in the league?
I'd go for Dave Challinor the Stockport manager. Has a good CV and knows how to set a team up. He's used to getting the best out of journeyman players.
Then the next poster will tell you he hasn't got a promotion from Div1 to Championship on his CV and hasn't been out of the lower leagues.
JJ was part of the Powel record points side to promotion and assistant to Bowyer's promotion, so one could argue he has a good idea of what is needed. Yet anyone else regardless is better than Jackson according to many on here.
Whether Jackson is the right bloke or not I don't know but till there is a clear out of this squads dead wood and too comfortable zone players any manager is going to struggle. The answer to the question will only be revealed next season. Non of us know, we are only going to be guessing and you can't keep sacking managers every time when you know for a fact the most of the squad of players are neither up for it or good enough.
I get the frustration, yet we all know third of the squad are not interested they either know they are on the way out or want to be, thus a recipe for all the crap that is now overtaking.
JJ has nothing on his CV as a manager whatever he achieved as a player and was part of the previous failed coaching setup. If the club setup was better we wouldn't be sacking managers as we'd have a better framework in place.
Our current failure is not simply down to the players.
I hope JJ succeeds but can't see much evidence at present.
I made the same point about JJ being part of the previous failed coaching setup assuming we are referring to Adkins time here.
However he was also part of the Bowyer era as coach and they achieved promotion.
I agree with you about the setup but it has changed slightly whether the lessons have been learned we will find out soon enough.
Of course our current failure is not simply down to the players but neither should we lay the blame for this season down to Jackson, it was a lost cause by the time he took over regardless of the initial winning run he had. The players at that time gave 110% effort for those few games that's impossible to do over the season and sure enough they reverted to type. Also as I'm sure we all agree the recruiting preseason was shambolic.
Regardless he has been given the job by TS and he should be given his chance to make things happen by reshaping the squad. There was a real clamour amongst fans for him to get the job in the first place.
I also hope JJ succeeds for the clubs sake. I personally don't expect to see much evidence of anything positive till the season ends given all the mistakes that have encompassed the last 2 seasons.
Like you, I and everyone on here have concerns for next season. Right now it seems an enormous task to put this right.
Now that the dust has settled on everything else I'll get on one of my favourite hobby-horses.
Eight minutes injury time? Eight effing minutes? Eff off. Six maybe. Eight was a joke. Although the ref did spend getting on a minute standing over Purrington refusing him attention, which turned out to be a disgracefully bad decision, and if he is out for a while as a result, that's on the ref.
But what of the 4th official? All of them. What do they do? What do they not do? Nobody actually knows, not even the occasional Lifer who refs. Do they play a role in time-keeping? Do they advise the ref? If so, what about? Was it not the 4th official who advised the ref to come over and book Jackson, who was incensed about the way the ref allowed a free kick to be taken 10 yards forward from where the -supposed - offence took place? There was that utter shambles the other week when CBT was booked after waiting an age to get back on, and came on, believing the 4th official had let him on.
Matt Slater at the Athletic has said he agrees there's a story there about how exactly extra time is worked out, and why there seems to be more of it in England than on the Continent if we are all following the same UEFA/FIFA rules and guidance, and I'll mention the whole 4th official thing.
So much money in the English game and this stuff is amateur hour, we all deserve better, and most of all we deserve to know what the sodding system actually is.
I didn’t think 8 minutes was excessive. There was the Inniss sending off, two goal celebrations, Lavelle injury, six subs, a couple of other players down temporarily, the booking of JJ. If anything I’d complain that other refs don’t play enough injury time.
The JJ winning run was simply momentum. Tim Sherwood did the same as a rookie manager. Bowyer did also. But after the honeymoon, if you've got no idea about tactics, how to get the very best out of your players, win ugly, asserting your personal plan on the squad etc you get found out.
I've seen enough to see JJ hasn't got it. Like Lampard, he's been given his dream job managing the team he served so brilliantly. But like Lamps, the job came far too soon.
If TS has an clue ~ football wise ... He will move JJ on now. If he waits until November or even later then it's ANOTHER wasted season. He could bring in the gaffer now and allow him a bit of time to really look at the rot and invest in the summer. To continue into next season with a bloke who is not ready or able or both is ludicrous.
That said, the future for the club still looks very good. Our support is very good. Our youth players are absolutely awesome and destined for great things and we have the nucleus of a strong team in the first team squad. Just the management is without merit..
Now that the dust has settled on everything else I'll get on one of my favourite hobby-horses.
Eight minutes injury time? Eight effing minutes? Eff off. Six maybe. Eight was a joke. Although the ref did spend getting on a minute standing over Purrington refusing him attention, which turned out to be a disgracefully bad decision, and if he is out for a while as a result, that's on the ref.
But what of the 4th official? All of them. What do they do? What do they not do? Nobody actually knows, not even the occasional Lifer who refs. Do they play a role in time-keeping? Do they advise the ref? If so, what about? Was it not the 4th official who advised the ref to come over and book Jackson, who was incensed about the way the ref allowed a free kick to be taken 10 yards forward from where the -supposed - offence took place? There was that utter shambles the other week when CBT was booked after waiting an age to get back on, and came on, believing the 4th official had let him on.
Matt Slater at the Athletic has said he agrees there's a story there about how exactly extra time is worked out, and why there seems to be more of it in England than on the Continent if we are all following the same UEFA/FIFA rules and guidance, and I'll mention the whole 4th official thing.
So much money in the English game and this stuff is amateur hour, we all deserve better, and most of all we deserve to know what the sodding system actually is.
I noticed in the old firm Derby on Sunday there was 0 mins added on the first half. None.The ref blew up about 5 secs after 45 mins were up. And there had been 2 goals as well.
Exactly. Seen it a lot on the continent. Never in England. Never.
I’ll just repeat the glaring obvious solution. Give the responsibility to the 4th official. Have his timepiece wired to the stadium clock. He thinks something is worth stopping for, he stops his watch. We all see when he stopped it, and when he re-started it. We all see exactly how much tíme there is left, then the electronic whistle blowś automatically, like in ice hockey.
Referees get to concentrate on their main job.
I know we are all feeling frustrated but surely the public torture of match day officials is a bit extreme.
I agree with the comments about Jackson. He really doesn’t seem to have a clue tactically. Also, you have to question our disciplinary record and what’s causing it. Jackson should have lambasted into Inniss at the post match interview but he didn’t. He also had disciplinary problems himself during the game. Not a good example to set is it!
Regarding Jackson’s tactics - even Curbs is starting to be frustrated. He said at HT that he hoped we would push our CB’s up more to help put more pressure on them. So we were controlling the game more. But no, we did the opposite, sat back and handed the momentum right back to AFC Wimbledon. That was an appalling performance and for that I blame Jackson, as I have also blamed Jackson for the performances over the past 3 or 4 months. It really has been dross.
No way can I see that staying with Jackson as our manager is a good thing. But I do think that TS will stick with him as I think Jackson can string a good line with excuses and such like. And I believe TS will buy it.
Shame because I love Jackson as a Charlton playing legend but he really can’t cut it as manager and coach of our football team. Time to step aside Johnnie, but I know you won’t.
Genuine question. The manager of your choice if you could choose any from outside the premier, would do what with this squad?
Before you say “play 433!” I mean, where would we finish in the league?
I'd go for Dave Challinor the Stockport manager. Has a good CV and knows how to set a team up. He's used to getting the best out of journeyman players.
Then the next poster will tell you he hasn't got a promotion from Div1 to Championship on his CV and hasn't been out of the lower leagues.
JJ was part of the Powel record points side to promotion and assistant to Bowyer's promotion, so one could argue he has a good idea of what is needed. Yet anyone else regardless is better than Jackson according to many on here.
Whether Jackson is the right bloke or not I don't know but till there is a clear out of this squads dead wood and too comfortable zone players any manager is going to struggle. The answer to the question will only be revealed next season. Non of us know, we are only going to be guessing and you can't keep sacking managers every time when you know for a fact the most of the squad of players are neither up for it or good enough.
I get the frustration, yet we all know third of the squad are not interested they either know they are on the way out or want to be, thus a recipe for all the crap that is now overtaking.
JJ has nothing on his CV as a manager whatever he achieved as a player and was part of the previous failed coaching setup. If the club setup was better we wouldn't be sacking managers as we'd have a better framework in place.
Our current failure is not simply down to the players.
I hope JJ succeeds but can't see much evidence at present.
I made the same point about JJ being part of the previous failed coaching setup assuming we are referring to Adkins time here.
However he was also part of the Bowyer era as coach and they achieved promotion.
I agree with you about the setup but it has changed slightly whether the lessons have been learned we will find out soon enough.
Of course our current failure is not simply down to the players but neither should we lay the blame for this season down to Jackson, it was a lost cause by the time he took over regardless of the initial winning run he had. The players at that time gave 110% effort for those few games that's impossible to do over the season and sure enough they reverted to type. Also as I'm sure we all agree the recruiting preseason was shambolic.
Regardless he has been given the job by TS and he should be given his chance to make things happen by reshaping the squad. There was a real clamour amongst fans for him to get the job in the first place.
I also hope JJ succeeds for the clubs sake. I personally don't expect to see much evidence of anything positive till the season ends given all the mistakes that have encompassed the last 2 seasons.
Like you, I and everyone on here have concerns for next season. Right now it seems an enormous task to put this right.
Remember the premier league in five (now four) years? I think it’s going to take a long-term plan just to get us out of this division.
One thing to consider, if we are crap and underperforming etc, how bad are the other 10-12 teams below?
There are 9 clubs currently below us, ALL of which are much smaller. Smaller crowds, revenue, transfer budgets etc. Teams for which L1 survival is their goal
It's like in the PL, if Watford were to finish 4th bottom they'd be partying for weeks, whereas if Everton finished 4th bottom, it would be a shocking season.
All of you bleating about not wanting 'to watch this shit anymore', or ' I don't want to renew my season ticket ', then don't: you're under no obligation to do so. We're a third division club with third division players and a third division manager, yet the expectations/sense of entitlement on here exceed these basic facts. Supporting Charlton means supporting a club that has no guarantee of success - two play-off wins at Wembley, anyone? - and, at times, watching turgid football played by average players. I probably watch 10 - 12 games a season now the the lad's away and can probably afford to be more sanguine about what happens on the pitch, but it's still Charlton, a team that will infuriate and disappoint, but one that I'm still proud to call my team.
If you shopped in Waitrose or M&S you would correctly feel entitled to better products than if you'd gone to Netto.
We are currently below Cheltenham and other clubs with worse resources, cheaper tickets and lower paid players than at Charlton.
But that's OK - let's all just lower our expectations to that level, and go happily along with it.
Entitlement - what a load of old rot.
Really? You need to scroll back and read some of the comments again without your turd tinted spectacles on.
All of you bleating about not wanting 'to watch this shit anymore', or ' I don't want to renew my season ticket ', then don't: you're under no obligation to do so. We're a third division club with third division players and a third division manager, yet the expectations/sense of entitlement on here exceed these basic facts. Supporting Charlton means supporting a club that has no guarantee of success - two play-off wins at Wembley, anyone? - and, at times, watching turgid football played by average players. I probably watch 10 - 12 games a season now the the lad's away and can probably afford to be more sanguine about what happens on the pitch, but it's still Charlton, a team that will infuriate and disappoint, but one that I'm still proud to call my team.
If you shopped in Waitrose or M&S you would correctly feel entitled to better products than if you'd gone to Netto.
We are currently below Cheltenham and other clubs with worse resources, cheaper tickets and lower paid players than at Charlton.
But that's OK - let's all just lower our expectations to that level, and go happily along with it.
Entitlement - what a load of old rot.
Table doesn’t lie, wherever you shop - the meal is the meal. If we are beneath teams in the Div 3 standings, we are not as good as them over a season’s worth of tests. No idea what Netto is but it clearly has products that, when put together, can produce a meal better than that expensive produce at Waitrose. It’s fair to say that we don’t shop that well at M&S either, given what we brought home for tea this year, but some people aspire our Waitrose/M&S stuff (bargain bin?) to taste like the stuff from the Harrods food hall when we can’t even find the way to Netto
All of you bleating about not wanting 'to watch this shit anymore', or ' I don't want to renew my season ticket ', then don't: you're under no obligation to do so. We're a third division club with third division players and a third division manager, yet the expectations/sense of entitlement on here exceed these basic facts. Supporting Charlton means supporting a club that has no guarantee of success - two play-off wins at Wembley, anyone? - and, at times, watching turgid football played by average players. I probably watch 10 - 12 games a season now the the lad's away and can probably afford to be more sanguine about what happens on the pitch, but it's still Charlton, a team that will infuriate and disappoint, but one that I'm still proud to call my team.
If you shopped in Waitrose or M&S you would correctly feel entitled to better products than if you'd gone to Netto.
We are currently below Cheltenham and other clubs with worse resources, cheaper tickets and lower paid players than at Charlton.
But that's OK - let's all just lower our expectations to that level, and go happily along with it.
Entitlement - what a load of old rot.
Table doesn’t lie, wherever you shop - the meal is the meal. If we are beneath teams in the Div 3 standings, we are not as good as them over a season’s worth of tests. No idea what Netto is but it clearly has products that, when put together, can produce a meal better than that expensive produce at Waitrose. It’s fair to say that we don’t shop that well at M&S either, given what we brought home for tea this year, but some people aspire our Waitrose/M&S stuff (bargain bin?) to taste like the stuff from the Harrods food hall when we can’t even find the way to Netto
Jacko has already nabbed Bowyer's negative traits, at a speed I never thought would be possible.
Stubborn and playing people out of position is one thing but both his discipline and the teams is awful and can be backed up statistically.
The post match interviews have become negative and miserable too.
FFS all so quickly since everybody looked so up for it during the interim honeymoon.
This is what i don't get, we were pressing, closing people down, supporting each other, full of energy, breaking at speed ........... & then we stopped, what happened ?
We were so on top early doors with 4 chances before they barely had a kick. What happend after Lavelle first injury after a hospital pass was the catalyst for Wimbledon to wake up and Charlton's erratic break down in passing to take over.
90+minutes of Good, bad and ugly (WTF Ryan Inniss !)
The season been done for weeks, so I was just happy to be going to the new AFC ground, as have so many memories of the old Greyhound stadium dog & stock car racing, car boot sales. Parked in my son's workspace which is 50 yds from the Away End, after curry with him and friends in Tooting. Poor game but that was to be expected with players we have, loved the goal as standing yards away. Of course would have liked to see a better performance but this season is done and has been for ages.
Where to for 22/23? I hope TS, JJ,SG clear out mess and keep only Mac, Stockley, JFC, CBT, Dobbo & Clare rest had their chances so exit door and quick don't want to see Innis again sadly he blew it and Gibley please adios! The whole club is in a mess and TS needs to get help, finance, CEO and players in early now. The longer we stay in Div 3 the harder it will be to get out - there some big old clubs down with us Derby will be a real challenge, along with Pompey, Ipswich and our old friends Sunderland. Its in balance for 22/23 season, I just hope TS sorts reaches out for help with key staff, as he clearly is out of his depth. Anything but play-offs next season will be a disaster for the club.
Now that the dust has settled on everything else I'll get on one of my favourite hobby-horses.
Eight minutes injury time? Eight effing minutes? Eff off. Six maybe. Eight was a joke. Although the ref did spend getting on a minute standing over Purrington refusing him attention, which turned out to be a disgracefully bad decision, and if he is out for a while as a result, that's on the ref.
But what of the 4th official? All of them. What do they do? What do they not do? Nobody actually knows, not even the occasional Lifer who refs. Do they play a role in time-keeping? Do they advise the ref? If so, what about? Was it not the 4th official who advised the ref to come over and book Jackson, who was incensed about the way the ref allowed a free kick to be taken 10 yards forward from where the -supposed - offence took place? There was that utter shambles the other week when CBT was booked after waiting an age to get back on, and came on, believing the 4th official had let him on.
Matt Slater at the Athletic has said he agrees there's a story there about how exactly extra time is worked out, and why there seems to be more of it in England than on the Continent if we are all following the same UEFA/FIFA rules and guidance, and I'll mention the whole 4th official thing.
So much money in the English game and this stuff is amateur hour, we all deserve better, and most of all we deserve to know what the sodding system actually is.
I didn’t think 8 minutes was excessive. There was the Inniss sending off, two goal celebrations, Lavelle injury, six subs, a couple of other players down temporarily, the booking of JJ. If anything I’d complain that other refs don’t play enough injury time.
But your point is still a complaint about the system. It isn't transparent and too reliant on interpretation.
One thing many fans are missing about Stockley's goals are that quite a few come in narrow wins, or 1-0 wins. He's often the goalscorer of 3 points.
So, there's a lot more analysis to be done if you want to just remove cup games. Dig a bit deeper and find the true worth. Most manager's at this level would relish the thought of having him in their team.
Genuine question. The manager of your choice if you could choose any from outside the premier, would do what with this squad?
Before you say “play 433!” I mean, where would we finish in the league?
I'd go for Dave Challinor the Stockport manager. Has a good CV and knows how to set a team up. He's used to getting the best out of journeyman players.
Then the next poster will tell you he hasn't got a promotion from Div1 to Championship on his CV and hasn't been out of the lower leagues.
JJ was part of the Powel record points side to promotion and assistant to Bowyer's promotion, so one could argue he has a good idea of what is needed. Yet anyone else regardless is better than Jackson according to many on here.
Whether Jackson is the right bloke or not I don't know but till there is a clear out of this squads dead wood and too comfortable zone players any manager is going to struggle. The answer to the question will only be revealed next season. Non of us know, we are only going to be guessing and you can't keep sacking managers every time when you know for a fact the most of the squad of players are neither up for it or good enough.
I get the frustration, yet we all know third of the squad are not interested they either know they are on the way out or want to be, thus a recipe for all the crap that is now overtaking.
JJ has nothing on his CV as a manager whatever he achieved as a player and was part of the previous failed coaching setup. If the club setup was better we wouldn't be sacking managers as we'd have a better framework in place.
Our current failure is not simply down to the players.
I hope JJ succeeds but can't see much evidence at present.
I made the same point about JJ being part of the previous failed coaching setup assuming we are referring to Adkins time here.
However he was also part of the Bowyer era as coach and they achieved promotion.
I agree with you about the setup but it has changed slightly whether the lessons have been learned we will find out soon enough.
Of course our current failure is not simply down to the players but neither should we lay the blame for this season down to Jackson, it was a lost cause by the time he took over regardless of the initial winning run he had. The players at that time gave 110% effort for those few games that's impossible to do over the season and sure enough they reverted to type. Also as I'm sure we all agree the recruiting preseason was shambolic.
Regardless he has been given the job by TS and he should be given his chance to make things happen by reshaping the squad. There was a real clamour amongst fans for him to get the job in the first place.
I also hope JJ succeeds for the clubs sake. I personally don't expect to see much evidence of anything positive till the season ends given all the mistakes that have encompassed the last 2 seasons.
Like you, I and everyone on here have concerns for next season. Right now it seems an enormous task to put this right.
Remember the premier league in five (now four) years? I think it’s going to take a long-term plan just to get us out of this division.
Getting out is 1 major problem, staying up would be next. There are some good sides that do well in Div 3 and get crushed in Div 2 and are straight back down. The Premier league in 4 years would involve Thomas swapping a cow for some beans, I suspect
When TS first pitched up it was crucial who was in his ear, especially concerning Charlton Athletic specifically, rather than concerning ‘an English football club’. I say that because TS himself has said he ran his eye over several ‘English football clubs’ before settling on Charlton specifically. TS was immediately presented with a maelstrom of decisions to make on a macro level, and his manoeuvre to marginalise Southall was impressive. TS would have been ‘chaperoned’ somewhat by people with local knowledge, and as well as seeking guided resolution with Duchatelet, TS would have has a certain amount of chaperoning regarding the football side. Who would’ve been in his ear then, especially the football side specific to Charlton Athletic? TS tried to help, possibly in rather a florid way rather than in a precise way. He got rocket Ronnie in, fuelled by TS’s positivity, took over the Women’s team, added stuff at the training ground, gave away a Range Rover, and crucially made appointments and backed signings (like he was enthusiastic over Ben Watson). What has transpired, admittedly in the background of coronavirus, has not been good results on the pitch, and to an extent off it. So my question is has TS carefully reviewed who has been in his ear since he took over? Who are the self appointed chaperones being a ‘good’ wingman to TS? Has it been a success? In the light of failure and problems is TS able to engineer solid solutions? Can TS learn from mistakes, or will they be the undoing of everybody?
I was at Wimbledon, and I can only judge from my rather amateurish involvement in the game and with Charlton, for decades, but it is clear to me that tweaking won’t cut it.
The opposition I remember thinking ‘blimey, they are well managed today’ we’re Cheltenham! Blimming Cheltenham all those months ago. Blimmin Alfie May, and excellent structure and tactics, exploiting our weaknesses, making a little go a very long way, deservedly beating us, I want to think that positively about Charlton Athletic.
I was nowhere near thinking like that last Tuesday.
One thing to consider, if we are crap and underperforming etc, how bad are the other 10-12 teams below?
There are 9 clubs currently below us, ALL of which are much smaller. Smaller crowds, revenue, transfer budgets etc. Teams for which L1 survival is their goal
It's like in the PL, if Watford were to finish 4th bottom they'd be partying for weeks, whereas if Everton finished 4th bottom, it would be a shocking season.
After last night, they could finish 3rd bottom. They have a tough run in too.
Hasn’t Stockley scored 18 goals this season? Better than 1 in 2?
edit: just seen Eltham Addick make the same point…
18 goals in all comps.. 11 in the league. Stockton has 21 in the league, might be wrong but he scored a handful in the pizza cup no?
Not that I think Stockley is a bad player
And Stockton is playing for a small club, at the highest level it's ever played at, a level where Morecambe will naturally be expected to struggle.
If we are retaining Stockley which I assume we will Stockton (Morecambe) is not the answer, they are very similar and it would not work. Alfie May is who we should be looking at, small, nippy, good feet and 21 goals this season the same as Stockton
Perhaps someone who knows L1 inside out can comment on Stocktons style, the way he gets goals , how he hold the ball up etc. To me from clips I've seen he's scored some long distance shots that look quality.He has that arrogance about him- great if you like what he does.........But I don't follow it closely. His goals have given Morecombe a chance this season- without them they would be sunk. I think he would be a target for many clubs as his stats are outstanding, Morecombe will want to cash in if they get relegated.But also depends on length of contract and I think hew signed a new one beginning of the season.
For what it is worth, the Wimbledon Dirs that were hosting me commented a lot more positively about us than a lot of you on here. All perspectives and respect everybody’s views, but I am not sure what some are expecting with us stranded in no man’s land with 5 games to go? It’s like playing a small series of dead rubbers. It kind of works this way - the damage was done way way back…and I am expecting another overhaul.
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If we are beneath teams in the Div 3 standings, we are not as good as them over a season’s worth of tests. No idea what Netto is but it clearly has products that, when put together, can produce a meal better than that expensive produce at Waitrose. It’s fair to say that we don’t shop that well at M&S either, given what we brought home for tea this year, but some people aspire our Waitrose/M&S stuff (bargain bin?) to taste like the stuff from the Harrods food hall when we can’t even find the way to Netto
I'm very disappointed in Sandgaards intransigence on this. There is no shame to admit you are green in a new industry. The correct approach would have been to get Varney, Curbishley and Everitt in and listened to and acted on their advice.
As I say, we all know and can see what is needed. After 18 months, why is Thomas's ego stopping him from doing the correct thing? He is losing millions of his hard earned with his current approach.
I know that I started the supermarket analogy but now I have no idea what you're on about.
As has been suggested by commentators, our squad is good on paper, not in reality. If players are not performing, why is that. Injuries can't be helped, can they? But if the coach can't motivate the player, I question whether they should be at our club, players Or coach.
One thing to consider, if we are crap and underperforming etc, how bad are the other 10-12 teams below?
Pretty sure Curbs used to say, after 46 games, the League doesn't lie.
I’m OK with that, kinda the point really. No idea what the original shopping reference was all about, so continued the strangled analogy to its bitter end. BUT I am happy to admit that my lack of any recent knowledge of the quality or otherwise of any UK Grocery outlets may not have made me that qualified so to do.
Nothing will change if the club is not run by the right people.
However he was also part of the Bowyer era as coach and they achieved promotion.
I agree with you about the setup but it has changed slightly whether the lessons have been learned we will find out soon enough.
Of course our current failure is not simply down to the players but neither should we lay the blame for this season down to Jackson, it was a lost cause by the time he took over regardless of the initial winning run he had. The players at that time gave 110% effort for those few games that's impossible to do over the season and sure enough they reverted to type. Also as I'm sure we all agree the recruiting preseason was shambolic.
Regardless he has been given the job by TS and he should be given his chance to make things happen by reshaping the squad. There was a real clamour amongst fans for him to get the job in the first place.
I also hope JJ succeeds for the clubs sake. I personally don't expect to see much evidence of anything positive till the season ends given all the mistakes that have encompassed the last 2 seasons.
Like you, I and everyone on here have concerns for next season. Right now it seems an enormous task to put this right.
I've seen enough to see JJ hasn't got it. Like Lampard, he's been given his dream job managing the team he served so brilliantly. But like Lamps, the job came far too soon.
If TS has an clue ~ football wise ... He will move JJ on now. If he waits until November or even later then it's ANOTHER wasted season. He could bring in the gaffer now and allow him a bit of time to really look at the rot and invest in the summer. To continue into next season with a bloke who is not ready or able or both is ludicrous.
That said, the future for the club still looks very good. Our support is very good. Our youth players are absolutely awesome and destined for great things and we have the nucleus of a strong team in the first team squad. Just the management is without merit..
Karl Robinson part two anyone? John Terry?
Can anyone recommend a keyboard Amp and speaker with in built digital interface?
Does it exist..?
Do we..?
It's like in the PL, if Watford were to finish 4th bottom they'd be partying for weeks, whereas if Everton finished 4th bottom, it would be a shocking season.
We were so on top early doors with 4 chances before they barely had a kick.
What happend after Lavelle first injury after a hospital pass was the catalyst for Wimbledon to wake up and Charlton's erratic break down in passing to take over.
90+minutes of Good, bad and ugly (WTF Ryan Inniss !)
So, there's a lot more analysis to be done if you want to just remove cup games. Dig a bit deeper and find the true worth. Most manager's at this level would relish the thought of having him in their team.
I say that because TS himself has said he ran his eye over several ‘English football clubs’ before settling on Charlton specifically.
TS was immediately presented with a maelstrom of decisions to make on a macro level, and his manoeuvre to marginalise Southall was impressive. TS would have been ‘chaperoned’ somewhat by people with local knowledge, and as well as seeking guided resolution with Duchatelet, TS would have has a certain amount of chaperoning regarding the football side.
Who would’ve been in his ear then, especially the football side specific to Charlton Athletic?
TS tried to help, possibly in rather a florid way rather than in a precise way.
He got rocket Ronnie in, fuelled by TS’s positivity, took over the Women’s team, added stuff at the training ground, gave away a Range Rover, and crucially made appointments and backed signings (like he was enthusiastic over Ben Watson).
What has transpired, admittedly in the background of coronavirus, has not been good results on the pitch, and to an extent off it.
So my question is has TS carefully reviewed who has been in his ear since he took over? Who are the self appointed chaperones being a ‘good’ wingman to TS? Has it been a success? In the light of failure and problems is TS able to engineer solid solutions?
Can TS learn from mistakes, or will they be the undoing of everybody?
I was at Wimbledon, and I can only judge from my rather amateurish involvement in the game and with Charlton, for decades, but it is clear to me that tweaking won’t cut it.
Blimmin Alfie May, and excellent structure and tactics, exploiting our weaknesses, making a little go a very long way, deservedly beating us, I want to think that positively about Charlton Athletic.
I was nowhere near thinking like that last Tuesday.