I was in the main stand directly opposite the tackle, you could see things were not good when he moved forward to the poor Wimbledon guy. A disgraceful attempt and not surprisingly not one Charlton player approached the referee to contest the decision.
What were they going to contest? Unless it was why he didn't get two red cards, it was certainly worth it.
Wimbledon deserved their point, Matthews long run and cross was a stand out moment, Inniss can shove Gilbey along the naughty step to make room for himself (WTAFF) and a new stadium to tick off. Was in the Directors box for the game and dinner and company were my highlights for the evening. Was made to feel very welcome. A quick chat with JJ right at the end was a nice touch too, as were exchanges with SG and MS.
We are playing for absolutely nothing and as such I didn’t think the team put in too bad a performance. 11 men for 90 mins and I genuinely believe the 3 points would have been ours. Roll on season end and let’s get some building work done…
The reason we have so many yellow and red cards this season. Is that our players are on the whole not as good as the opponents they come up against. They are playing at the limit of their abilities and are thus more prone to making mistakes that lead to fouls or have to commit them to save the situation.
I've seen 8 away games this season, seeing ONE win, 3 draws and 4 defeats which is pretty grim for us in L1. The split between Nigel and Jacko is even in terms of points too -
Nigel - 1 win, 3 losses Jacko - 3 draws, 1 loss
Nigel's games were arguably harder too - MKD, Wycombe, Fleetwood, Lincoln as opposed to Morecambe, Cheltenham, Accrington and Wimbledon
I'm just glad we had that mini run at the start of the month. Just imagine if we had 9 points less & going into the last few matches neeeding to pick up a win or two.
Couldn’t watch most of it so can’t comment on the game itself. Saw the replay of the red card, hopefully that ends any thoughts that Inniss is worth another contract.
Can’t wait for this season to be over. Jackson and the squad must feel the same. We’re safe now and there’s nothing to play for. Players aren’t going to give that extra few percent and this squad doesn’t have enough quality on the pitch and the bench. The team spirit won’t be there with so many players knowing they’re on the way out. I really don’t think we can read much at all into results and performances, it’s all about how we go about our business in the summer. Looking forward to seeing the released list.
Still believe getting recruitment is more important than the right manager. Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson have all struggled, what they all had in common are squads that aren’t promotion standard. A new manager won’t improve things if they’d have a similar squad next season.
We have no decent strikers on the bench to change a game. Aneke’s fitness issues and injuries mean we’ll likely need five senior strikers rather than four. We don’t have a single midfielder close to scoring double figures, never mind two or three. Inniss is our only CB who’s a consistent threat from set pieces and he’s not even available for 20 games a season.
Whether Matthews and Pearce get new deals will give us an indication of the budget and ambition for the summer. If the likes of Gunter and Inniss get new deals then that’ll show they have no idea what they’re doing.
I hope TS is playing down expectations this time and continuing to evaluate what’s required. Five permanents and a similar number of loans might be enough if they get recruitment spot on. Only two plus five loans will see more of the same with a realistic chance of getting even worse.
I don’t expect us to replicate 11/12 under Powell but we’ve got to give it a proper go. This squad needs a big rebuild and change of culture, not rewarding failure by giving average and declining players new contracts. Not confident it’ll happen but at the very least it can’t be anywhere near as bad as last summer, can it?
Couldn’t watch most of it so can’t comment on the game itself. Saw the replay of the red card, hopefully that ends any thoughts that Inniss is worth another contract.
Can’t wait for this season to be over. Jackson and the squad must feel the same. We’re safe now and there’s nothing to play for. Players aren’t going to give that extra few percent and this squad doesn’t have enough quality on the pitch and the bench. The team spirit won’t be there with so many players knowing they’re on the way out. I really don’t think we can read much at all into results and performances, it’s all about how we go about our business in the summer. Looking forward to seeing the released list.
Still believe getting recruitment is more important than the right manager. Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson have all struggled, what they all had in common are squads that aren’t promotion standard. A new manager won’t improve things if they’d have a similar squad next season.
We have no decent strikers on the bench to change a game. Aneke’s fitness issues and injuries mean we’ll likely need five senior strikers rather than four. We don’t have a single midfielder close to scoring double figures, never mind two or three. Inniss is our only CB who’s a consistent threat from set pieces and he’s not even available for 20 games a season.
Whether Matthews and Pearce get new deals will give us an indication of the budget and ambition for the summer. If the likes of Gunter and Inniss get new deals then that’ll show they have no idea what they’re doing.
I hope TS is playing down expectations this time and continuing to evaluate what’s required. Five permanents and a similar number of loans might be enough if they get recruitment spot on. Only two plus five loans will see more of the same with a realistic chance of getting even worse.
I don’t expect us to replicate 11/12 under Powell but we’ve got to give it a proper go. This squad needs a big rebuild and change of culture, not rewarding failure by giving average and declining players new contracts. Not confident it’ll happen but at the very least it can’t be anywhere near as bad as last summer, can it?
Like your analogy of Bowyer Adkins and J J .All had in common, a list of very average players ,at their disposal. Even though they may have had a modicum of say in who is recruited .And as they say 'you cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear ole'. In fact, contrary to the plethora of 'arm chair' superlative tacticians on F L. these managers are probably ,as good, perhaps even better than most, using the players that they had available. I cant believe that these ,elevated (in their own valuation) folk ,are already calling for JJ to go, in a very clear, but subtle way
In my six plus decades of following Charlton It is not only recruitment of players but the ability to hang on to the potential good young developing players. We have always sold off good young players, for good money, to pay the bills, to the ambitious clubs ,then buy or recruit an aging or injury prone player, in hope that we have made a good business move ie made money and not dropped the standard of football .It has very rarely worked. There is a message here for TS to change this culture, at the club
Couldn’t watch most of it so can’t comment on the game itself. Saw the replay of the red card, hopefully that ends any thoughts that Inniss is worth another contract.
Can’t wait for this season to be over. Jackson and the squad must feel the same. We’re safe now and there’s nothing to play for. Players aren’t going to give that extra few percent and this squad doesn’t have enough quality on the pitch and the bench. The team spirit won’t be there with so many players knowing they’re on the way out. I really don’t think we can read much at all into results and performances, it’s all about how we go about our business in the summer. Looking forward to seeing the released list.
Still believe getting recruitment is more important than the right manager. Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson have all struggled, what they all had in common are squads that aren’t promotion standard. A new manager won’t improve things if they’d have a similar squad next season.
We have no decent strikers on the bench to change a game. Aneke’s fitness issues and injuries mean we’ll likely need five senior strikers rather than four. We don’t have a single midfielder close to scoring double figures, never mind two or three. Inniss is our only CB who’s a consistent threat from set pieces and he’s not even available for 20 games a season.
Whether Matthews and Pearce get new deals will give us an indication of the budget and ambition for the summer. If the likes of Gunter and Inniss get new deals then that’ll show they have no idea what they’re doing.
I hope TS is playing down expectations this time and continuing to evaluate what’s required. Five permanents and a similar number of loans might be enough if they get recruitment spot on. Only two plus five loans will see more of the same with a realistic chance of getting even worse.
I don’t expect us to replicate 11/12 under Powell but we’ve got to give it a proper go. This squad needs a big rebuild and change of culture, not rewarding failure by giving average and declining players new contracts. Not confident it’ll happen but at the very least it can’t be anywhere near as bad as last summer, can it?
Couldn’t watch most of it so can’t comment on the game itself. Saw the replay of the red card, hopefully that ends any thoughts that Inniss is worth another contract.
Can’t wait for this season to be over. Jackson and the squad must feel the same. We’re safe now and there’s nothing to play for. Players aren’t going to give that extra few percent and this squad doesn’t have enough quality on the pitch and the bench. The team spirit won’t be there with so many players knowing they’re on the way out. I really don’t think we can read much at all into results and performances, it’s all about how we go about our business in the summer. Looking forward to seeing the released list.
Still believe getting recruitment is more important than the right manager. Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson have all struggled, what they all had in common are squads that aren’t promotion standard. A new manager won’t improve things if they’d have a similar squad next season.
We have no decent strikers on the bench to change a game. Aneke’s fitness issues and injuries mean we’ll likely need five senior strikers rather than four. We don’t have a single midfielder close to scoring double figures, never mind two or three. Inniss is our only CB who’s a consistent threat from set pieces and he’s not even available for 20 games a season.
Whether Matthews and Pearce get new deals will give us an indication of the budget and ambition for the summer. If the likes of Gunter and Inniss get new deals then that’ll show they have no idea what they’re doing.
I hope TS is playing down expectations this time and continuing to evaluate what’s required. Five permanents and a similar number of loans might be enough if they get recruitment spot on. Only two plus five loans will see more of the same with a realistic chance of getting even worse.
I don’t expect us to replicate 11/12 under Powell but we’ve got to give it a proper go. This squad needs a big rebuild and change of culture, not rewarding failure by giving average and declining players new contracts. Not confident it’ll happen but at the very least it can’t be anywhere near as bad as last summer, can it?
Like your analogy of Bowyer Adkins and J J .All had in common, a list of very average players ,at their disposal. Even though they may have had a modicum of say in who is recruited .And as they say 'you cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear ole'. In fact, contrary to the plethora of 'arm chair' superlative tacticians on F L. these managers are probably ,as good, perhaps even better than most, using the players that they had available. I cant believe that these ,elevated (in their own valuation) folk ,are already calling for JJ to go, in a very clear, but subtle way
In my six plus decades of following Charlton It is not only recruitment of players but the ability to hang on to the potential good young developing players. We have always sold off good young players, for good money, to pay the bills, to the ambitious clubs ,then buy or recruit an aging or injury prone player, in hope that we have made a good business move ie made money and not dropped the standard of football .It has very rarely worked. There is a message here for TS to change this culture, at the club
What exactly has JJ brought to the club as coach/manager? Are there any signs that he will prove to be a good manager?
Another completely pedestrian-paced performance with too many players now fully oiled-up and ready for the beach playing crab football or whacking it long hoping Stockley or Washington fashion a chance out of a punt.
Forster-Caskey, I'm glad he is fit after another horrible injury but he was in Dobsons way tonight and as much as I bet the idea was to use him as the kind of quarter-back spraying balls left right and centre we do not have players with the footballing intelligence to play that way. Besides that it left a fucking massive gap in our own midfield.
Those becoming the formation are onto a loser I'm afraid. 352, 433, 532, 442, 4132 It matters not if we do not win the midfield. All those formations are about outnumbering the opposition in midfield and dominating possession in the middle of the field. However we cut it, that doesn't happen and for some explicable reason either the players of manager abandoned the excellent intensity and pressing game utilised when Jackson first took charge. So we are left with a load of undymanic players, playing square balls to each other until one tries to do something at which point the rest having all gone into stasis-mode fail to react and watch their mate disappear down a blind alley, fail to keep up with play, read a through ball or for Washington to fashion a goal out of the appalling service him and Stockley get.
I think we have a toxic group of players personally, not venomously toxic like actively seeking to disrupt or remove the manager they don't get on with, worse, lazy-toxic. They want to be footballers but don't want to perform the basic fundamentals let alone go the extra yard which most others players in this shite league are, they are trying to get out of it by either showing how good they are to get a move or by working hard as a unit to get promoted as a team.
Genuinely fans of clubs like Gillingham, Morecombe, Accrington, Plymouth, Oxford even though some sit rightly higher than us would love to have some of the playing staff we do.
Gilbeys sending off on Saturday made my blood boil, he wasn't taking one for the team, he was doing something he knew would get him 2 mickey mouse yellows and would miss the AFC game where as an ex MK player he would have got a lot of hostility, that tells me all I need to know about his character and its not a character we need. Inniss sadly the same, he can't do much about his body breaking down every 5 weeks but he absolutely is in control of his own decision making and we could all see the moment he took the heaviest touch seen on a professional pitch, by a man paid to play the game, what was going to happen. I could excuse myself making a tackle like that as I was at best a mediocre, horrible footballer paying to play with my pisshead pals against a load of other pissheads. Inniss is a full time professional and it isn't the first time he has done something like that. I want to love the guy and he could have been an absolute talisman for us but the return he gives is not worth the squad place I'm afraid
The keeper, he seems like a nice guy and I'm sure he is but he is a liability, his failure to dominate his box has cost us so many goals and worse, it means the defence lose all their shape and organisation too as they have no idea of hw os going to come for a ball or not so they aren't looking to attack a ball until its almost on there head.
Like others have said, we need a non-sentimental purge at the club, bring in a strong core of physically robust players with a bit about them character-wise and focus on ones who have something to prove and are on the way up.
As far as formations go, I like a diamond with expressive full backs who aren't afraid of crossing the halfway line. Like any of the others though it needs players to do what they are told to for it to be of any use at all
I was in the main stand directly opposite the tackle, you could see things were not good when he moved forward to the poor Wimbledon guy. A disgraceful attempt and not surprisingly not one Charlton player approached the referee to contest the decision.
I was in the away end, directly in front of the challenge. As soon as he left the ground I winced, because I could see it was a career ending challenge. And before he had landed I said to my wife he’s off. I am just relieved that he didn’t connect that badly with the Wimbledon player
Does football have a Gordon Ramsey equivalent? If so can we get him down to Sparrows Lane.
G R is an absolute bully. A total dick Most of the team would either not play ,or apply for a transfer. He gives no respect, so he commands no respect
I get your sentiment, however Jacko is such a true gent, but his team ought to be renamed Borstal F. C. Their indiscipline and thuggish behaviour is worse than the Bacon's in Viz. I'm sure they are rubbing off on him, hence his own yellow card last night.
It isn't just his goals, he has a number of qualities we are missing. I have lost a bit of faith that we have the people running things that can see that but it isn't hard to see.
Genuine question. The manager of your choice if you could choose any from outside the premier, would do what with this squad?
Before you say “play 433!” I mean, where would we finish in the league?
I don’t really think the formation is the issue, for me it’s how predictable and slow we are in possession. Whatever you think of the players ability or ‘passion’ they are playing to the instructions and style asked of them and coached into them.
Now I’m not saying we go full Russell Martin and have a possession based style of football, because you can still dominate possession and look nice whilst doing so - and still be a bit shit.
But something for me really needs to change when we are attacking. It does not matter what personnel we have swapped in, but we have always struggled to be creative in the final third, because we never have options in the centre of the park. Those players are either too deep, or already in the penalty box waiting for the cross we are setting up swing in.
Teams with players with arguably much less ability than ours such as Hartlepool and Gateshead managed to get players in decent pockets of space and positions when they attacked us because they generally moved the ball quicker.
It isn't the formation, it is how successfully we play whatever formation we adopt. At our level, there needs to be some pragmatism in terms of formation rather than too much fitting square pegs in round holes but if the overall strength and balance of the squad is not right it is probably irrelevant how the team sets up.
Genuine question. The manager of your choice if you could choose any from outside the premier, would do what with this squad?
Before you say “play 433!” I mean, where would we finish in the league?
Any of the other many things that a management team do, day to day, apart from choose the formation.
Listening to neutrals who know their league 1 football, they think we've got a really strong squad. I said the other day the Donny commentators mentioned it a couple of times through that game. And seeing as it's not practically possible to ship out every underperforming player, I personally think changing the management would effect the quickest turnaround (obviously with a few player ins and outs too).
Bring in someone who can inspire and also shouts a bit, imo
I don't know if Jacko has it but I don't know if any manager we could bring in will have it either and Jacko has had an opportunity to assess what is needed and develop a plan. I think the wisest way forwards is to give him a chance with one caveat. Sandgaard does employ Steve Brown and Alan Curbishley and surely he could get them to assess and give an opinion on Jacko's next season plan for him.
Genuine question. The manager of your choice if you could choose any from outside the premier, would do what with this squad?
Before you say “play 433!” I mean, where would we finish in the league?
Replies to this are fair. I don’t really know what the answer is, all I conclude is that the clear out of the players and the clear out of the management are two different arguments, cos you could make a point about one being a lot worse than the other.
I’m still leaning towards getting rid of JJ as being trigger happy. He got us out the relegation battle, and then the players gave up, but understand JJ has still made some naive decisions (not changing the formation, ever).
Just end this season sharpish, we can all agree on that.
I don't know if Jacko has it but I don't know if any manager we could bring in will have it either and Jacko has had an opportunity to assess what is needed and develop a plan. I think the wisest way forwards is to give him a chance with one caveat. Sandgaard does employ Steve Brown and Alan Curbishley and surely he could get them to assess and give an opinion on Jacko's next season plan for him.
Not for me, for a couple of reasons.
Firstly any manager and coaching team worth their salt should not be having to formulate a plan with input with two blokes who won’t be involved in the day to day coaching of that side. It’s just a recipe for disaster, especially on match days when you inevitably have to react to all that goes on in a football game. They should be clear about their own style of play, the sort of players they want etc, and be allowed to do it themselves. It should be totally on the manager and his coaching team.
Secondly I said before the appointment of Jackson that we need a complete reset in ethos and coaching. We have been on a overall downward spiral for many years now, and nothing feels like it will change if we continue to want to employ people in coaching/advisory roles who are associated with the current set up - especially those who think Alex Gilbey is the answer.
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Nigel - 1 win, 3 losses
Jacko - 3 draws, 1 loss
Nigel's games were arguably harder too - MKD, Wycombe, Fleetwood, Lincoln as opposed to Morecambe, Cheltenham, Accrington and Wimbledon
Oh for a striker who scores.
I imagine more of the same next season. JJ is part of the problem.
In my six plus decades of following Charlton It is not only recruitment of players but the ability to hang on to the potential good young developing players. We have always sold off good young players, for good money, to pay the bills, to the ambitious clubs ,then buy or recruit an aging or injury prone player, in hope that we have made a good business move ie made money and not dropped the standard of football .It has very rarely worked. There is a message here for TS to change this culture, at the club
Forster-Caskey, I'm glad he is fit after another horrible injury but he was in Dobsons way tonight and as much as I bet the idea was to use him as the kind of quarter-back spraying balls left right and centre we do not have players with the footballing intelligence to play that way. Besides that it left a fucking massive gap in our own midfield.
Those becoming the formation are onto a loser I'm afraid. 352, 433, 532, 442, 4132
It matters not if we do not win the midfield. All those formations are about outnumbering the opposition in midfield and dominating possession in the middle of the field. However we cut it, that doesn't happen and for some explicable reason either the players of manager abandoned the excellent intensity and pressing game utilised when Jackson first took charge. So we are left with a load of undymanic players, playing square balls to each other until one tries to do something at which point the rest having all gone into stasis-mode fail to react and watch their mate disappear down a blind alley, fail to keep up with play, read a through ball or for Washington to fashion a goal out of the appalling service him and Stockley get.
I think we have a toxic group of players personally, not venomously toxic like actively seeking to disrupt or remove the manager they don't get on with, worse, lazy-toxic. They want to be footballers but don't want to perform the basic fundamentals let alone go the extra yard which most others players in this shite league are, they are trying to get out of it by either showing how good they are to get a move or by working hard as a unit to get promoted as a team.
Genuinely fans of clubs like Gillingham, Morecombe, Accrington, Plymouth, Oxford even though some sit rightly higher than us would love to have some of the playing staff we do.
Gilbeys sending off on Saturday made my blood boil, he wasn't taking one for the team, he was doing something he knew would get him 2 mickey mouse yellows and would miss the AFC game where as an ex MK player he would have got a lot of hostility, that tells me all I need to know about his character and its not a character we need. Inniss sadly the same, he can't do much about his body breaking down every 5 weeks but he absolutely is in control of his own decision making and we could all see the moment he took the heaviest touch seen on a professional pitch, by a man paid to play the game, what was going to happen. I could excuse myself making a tackle like that as I was at best a mediocre, horrible footballer paying to play with my pisshead pals against a load of other pissheads. Inniss is a full time professional and it isn't the first time he has done something like that. I want to love the guy and he could have been an absolute talisman for us but the return he gives is not worth the squad place I'm afraid
The keeper, he seems like a nice guy and I'm sure he is but he is a liability, his failure to dominate his box has cost us so many goals and worse, it means the defence lose all their shape and organisation too as they have no idea of hw os going to come for a ball or not so they aren't looking to attack a ball until its almost on there head.
Like others have said, we need a non-sentimental purge at the club, bring in a strong core of physically robust players with a bit about them character-wise and focus on ones who have something to prove and are on the way up.
As far as formations go, I like a diamond with expressive full backs who aren't afraid of crossing the halfway line. Like any of the others though it needs players to do what they are told to for it to be of any use at all
And similar comments about DJ I've never seen it myself.
Imagine a sales executive who makes very few sales but apparently works all hours in the day trying!
Agree with comments re:Jacko.
He had a full squad tonight and they were awful.
I'd really love to see a Wilder or Warburton get this squad firing. I'd even take Robinson back!
As always the voice of reason ~ Curbs in the studio has it right. "Blood a few of the youngsters in the remaining dead rubbers. Nothing to lose.
JJ you aren't the guy to do this job. Step aside.
Stockley does score to be fair.
Any of the other many things that a management team do, day to day, apart from choose the formation.
Listening to neutrals who know their league 1 football, they think we've got a really strong squad. I said the other day the Donny commentators mentioned it a couple of times through that game. And seeing as it's not practically possible to ship out every underperforming player, I personally think changing the management would effect the quickest turnaround (obviously with a few player ins and outs too).
Bring in someone who can inspire and also shouts a bit, imo
I’m still leaning towards getting rid of JJ as being trigger happy. He got us out the relegation battle, and then the players gave up, but understand JJ has still made some naive decisions (not changing the formation, ever).
Just end this season sharpish, we can all agree on that.
not saying we don't need more though...
Firstly any manager and coaching team worth their salt should not be having to formulate a plan with input with two blokes who won’t be involved in the day to day coaching of that side. It’s just a recipe for disaster, especially on match days when you inevitably have to react to all that goes on in a football game. They should be clear about their own style of play, the sort of players they want etc, and be allowed to do it themselves. It should be totally on the manager and his coaching team.
Secondly I said before the appointment of Jackson that we need a complete reset in ethos and coaching. We have been on a overall downward spiral for many years now, and nothing feels like it will change if we continue to want to employ people in coaching/advisory roles who are associated with the current set up - especially those who think Alex Gilbey is the answer.