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Post-match Thread: AFC Wimbledon v Charlton Athletic | Tuesday 5 April 2022

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  • Croydon said:
    I've got absolutely no interest in watching a side next season that has Jackson in charge. 
    Agree 100%
  • mendonca said:
    Washington's defending for their goal wasn't too clever. Looks like might have been trained by Leko on how to defend out wide.
    Haven’t watched the video again but remember it from the game.

    He has already done the same a couple of times up front, steaming in to close a player down and over-committing.

    I had pointed out the two previous occasions to my 12 year old Son who at his football training is taught to run up but slow down an jockey in the final yards.

    I like Washington but he should have done better last night.
    Never seen a Charlton team quite like this one for getting the basics wrong time and time again. It’s clear some (most?) of these players don’t want to do the boring bits out on the field which shows a collective lack of character.
  • Not read any other comments. No need, we all saw the same game.

    Just to say I turned over the TV when Inniss got sent off, never done it before, hopefully never will again, but going through a particularly stressful time at the moment (nothing "bad" just stressful) I just couldn't put up any longer with watching something that is supposed to be entertainment but is just annoying 95% of the time. 

    I do have some sympathy with JJ, how can a manager do anything about stupidity like we have seen from Gilbey and Inniss in the last two games? He didn't even sign them.        
  • edited April 2022
    I notice Stockton scored again. 
    21 for the season.

    Oh for a striker who scores.
    Hasn’t Stockley scored 18 goals this season? Better than 1 in 2?

    edit: just seen Eltham Addick make the same point…
  • edited April 2022
    I notice Stockton scored again. 
    21 for the season.

    Oh for a striker who scores.
    doesn't Stockley have 18 or something (and missed a sizeable amount of games)

    not saying we don't need more though...
    It’s 18 in 33 in a team that doesn’t create a lot of chances but I’m sure lots still want him gone. I wonder if Mitrovic fancies a trip to the Valley?
  • edited April 2022
    Genuine question.  The manager of your choice if you could choose any from outside the premier, would do what with this squad?  

    Before you say “play 433!” I mean, where would we finish in the league?
    I'd go for Dave Challinor the Stockport manager. Has a good CV and knows how to set a team up. He's used to getting the best out of journeyman players.


  • Simonsen said:
    A lot being made of Inniss letting us down (I agree) but he could've easily busted the Wimbledon player's leg with such an out of control lunge. That was the real crime. 
    An utterly dreadful challenge and also completely pointless - wtf was he thinking?
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  • Matthews puts in a great some great crosses as well as decent long throws, one of the few to be in form at this time .. an expected point against desperate opposition .. good goal from Stockley .. hope Lavelle is not out for too long .. not a bad, equally not a good performance .. least said about Innis the better .. see how we go against the Millers this weekend, that will be a real test
  • mendonca said:
    Washington's defending for their goal wasn't too clever. Looks like might have been trained by Leko on how to defend out wide.
    Yeah damn that striker for not putting in a better challenge after making the initial headed block. 
  • clive said:
    Christ the defending and goal keeping for their equaliser
  • Carter said:
    Another completely pedestrian-paced performance with too many players now fully oiled-up and ready for the beach playing crab football or whacking it long hoping Stockley or Washington fashion a chance out of a punt. 

    Forster-Caskey, I'm glad he is fit after another horrible injury but he was in Dobsons way tonight and as much as I bet the idea was to use him as the kind of quarter-back spraying balls left right and centre we do not have players with the footballing intelligence to play that way. Besides that it left a fucking massive gap in our own midfield. 

    Those becoming the formation are onto a loser I'm afraid. 352, 433, 532, 442, 4132
    It matters not if we do not win the midfield. All those formations are about outnumbering the opposition in midfield and dominating possession in the middle of the field. However we cut it, that doesn't happen and for some explicable reason either the players of manager abandoned the excellent intensity and pressing game utilised when Jackson first took charge. So we are left with a load of undymanic players, playing square balls to each other until one tries to do something at which point the rest having all gone into stasis-mode fail to react and watch their mate disappear down a blind alley, fail to keep up with play, read a through ball or for Washington to fashion a goal out of the appalling service him and Stockley get. 

    I think we have a toxic group of players personally, not venomously toxic like actively seeking to disrupt or remove the manager they don't get on with, worse, lazy-toxic. They want to be footballers but don't want to perform the basic fundamentals let alone go the extra yard which most others players in this shite league are, they are trying to get out of it by either showing how good they are to get a move or by working hard as a unit to get promoted as a team. 

    Genuinely fans of clubs like Gillingham, Morecombe, Accrington, Plymouth, Oxford even though some sit rightly higher than us would love to have some of the playing staff we do. 

    Gilbeys sending off on Saturday made my blood boil, he wasn't taking one for the team, he was doing something he knew would get him 2 mickey mouse yellows and would miss the AFC game where as an ex MK player he would have got a lot of hostility, that tells me all I need to know about his character and its not a character we need. Inniss sadly the same, he can't do much about his body breaking down every 5 weeks but he absolutely is in control of his own decision making and we could all see the moment he took the heaviest touch seen on a professional pitch, by a man paid to play the game, what was going to happen. I could excuse myself making a tackle like that as I was at best a mediocre, horrible footballer paying to play with my pisshead pals against a load of other pissheads. Inniss is a full time professional and it isn't the first time he has done something like that. I want to love the guy and he could have been an absolute talisman for us but the return he gives is not worth the squad place I'm afraid 

    The keeper, he seems like a nice guy and I'm sure he is but he is a liability, his failure to dominate his box has cost us so many goals and worse, it means the defence lose all their shape and organisation too as they have no idea of hw os going to come for a ball or not so they aren't looking to attack a ball until its almost on there head. 

    Like others have said, we need a non-sentimental purge at the club, bring in a strong core of physically robust players with a bit about them character-wise and focus on ones who have something to prove and are on the way up. 

    As far as formations go, I like a diamond with expressive full backs who aren't afraid of crossing the halfway line. Like any of the others though it needs players to do what they are told to for it to be of any use at all 


    Excellent post. 
  • Wimbledon deserved their point, Matthews long run and cross was a stand out moment, Inniss can shove Gilbey along the naughty step to make room for himself (WTAFF) and a new stadium to tick off. Was in the Directors box for the game and dinner and company were my highlights for the evening. Was made to feel very welcome. A quick chat with JJ right at the end was a nice touch too, as were exchanges with SG and MS. 

    We are playing for absolutely nothing and as such I didn’t think the team put in too bad a performance. 11 men for 90 mins and I genuinely believe the 3 points would have been ours. Roll on season end and let’s get some building work done…
    No offence my friend but if you thought the team put in not too bad a performance all I can say is you must have had some good hospitality before the game! 😂

    12 hours later I still can't believe the utter rubbish that we churned out last night and the total mess that this side is. 
  • Wimbledon deserved their point, Matthews long run and cross was a stand out moment, Inniss can shove Gilbey along the naughty step to make room for himself (WTAFF) and a new stadium to tick off. Was in the Directors box for the game and dinner and company were my highlights for the evening. Was made to feel very welcome. A quick chat with JJ right at the end was a nice touch too, as were exchanges with SG and MS. 

    We are playing for absolutely nothing and as such I didn’t think the team put in too bad a performance. 11 men for 90 mins and I genuinely believe the 3 points would have been ours. Roll on season end and let’s get some building work done…
    A pal of mine was in the same area and said we were dogshit.


  • Jackson was moaning at the officials unnecessarily. If he is undisciplined then so will be the players.

    I must say that I laughed when they equalised.

    I suggest this for our new kit next season:




    That strip's too close to Palace for my liking
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  • edited April 2022
    Blucher said:
    Managed to miss the first 10 minutes owing to a big queue at the only turnstile and with it, apparently, our only decent spell of the game. Thereafter, we served up total dross, save for Matthews' excellent run and cross for the goal, which was totally out of keeping with the rest of a dire game.

    I really don't know where we go from here. The structure of the team is poor, there is no real pattern of play and the side is littered with weak and underperforming players. You have to wonder what the hell is going on at Sparrow's Lane.

    On the plus side, at least Inniss' disgraceful assault on the Wimbledon player didn't seriously injure him - it could very easily have ended his career. 

    The thing is, I think we do have a pattern of play, and that is to get it out wide and load the opposition box up. 

    11 seconds into the highlights video (www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H6wJSw2Lz8) is a perfect example of this, and how we ended up against Lincoln constantly at the weekend - with 4 players all close to each other in the left corner of the pitch, two players in the box in attacking positions, and no one in the middle of the park offering another option.

    And people wonder why players like Fraser never look effective.
  • HandG said:
    I notice Stockton scored again. 
    21 for the season.

    Oh for a striker who scores.
    Hasn’t Stockley scored 18 goals this season? Better than 1 in 2?

    edit: just seen Eltham Addick make the same point…
    18 goals in all comps.. 11 in the league. Stockton has 21 in the league, might be wrong but he scored a handful in the pizza cup no?

    Not that I think Stockley is a bad player 
  • HandG said:
    I notice Stockton scored again. 
    21 for the season.

    Oh for a striker who scores.
    Hasn’t Stockley scored 18 goals this season? Better than 1 in 2?

    edit: just seen Eltham Addick make the same point…
    18 goals in all comps.. 11 in the league. Stockton has 21 in the league, might be wrong but he scored a handful in the pizza cup no?

    Not that I think Stockley is a bad player 
    And Stockton is playing for a small club, at the highest level it's ever played at, a level where Morecambe will naturally be expected to struggle.
  • Dazzler21 said:
    mendonca said:
    Washington's defending for their goal wasn't too clever. Looks like might have been trained by Leko on how to defend out wide.
    Yeah damn that striker for not putting in a better challenge after making the initial headed block. 
    He's defending in the box as it was his role to do so from a corner. He wasn't in there out of voluntary action. Personally, I thought the headed clearance was weak and so was the follow up defending, by everybody (what a surprise). Maybe one man might have helped being dominant in the air, but he disgraced himself 7 minutes in. 
  • edited April 2022
    HandG said:
    I notice Stockton scored again. 
    21 for the season.

    Oh for a striker who scores.
    Hasn’t Stockley scored 18 goals this season? Better than 1 in 2?

    edit: just seen Eltham Addick make the same point…
    18 goals in all comps.. 11 in the league. Stockton has 21 in the league, might be wrong but he scored a handful in the pizza cup no?

    Not that I think Stockley is a bad player 
    And Stockton is playing for a small club, at the highest level it's ever played at, a level where Morecambe will naturally be expected to struggle.
    2 against Havant & Waterloo and Gateshead in the FA cup, 1 against Aston Villa’s u23s and 2 against Southamptons u23s. Sorry to be that person, but I am not counting any of those on his tally for the season, non league level competition. 

    A striker is definitely a major priority next season, whoever gets Stockton and has quality elsewhere in the team will likely get play offs. 20 goals for Morecambe in league 1 is fantastic going 

  • edited April 2022
    HandG said:
    I notice Stockton scored again. 
    21 for the season.

    Oh for a striker who scores.
    Hasn’t Stockley scored 18 goals this season? Better than 1 in 2?

    edit: just seen Eltham Addick make the same point…
    18 goals in all comps.. 11 in the league. Stockton has 21 in the league, might be wrong but he scored a handful in the pizza cup no?

    Not that I think Stockley is a bad player 
    League - Stockley (11 in 27 games) | Stockton (21 in 38 games)
    FA Cup - Stockley (4 in 2 games) | Stockton (1 in 3 games)
    League Cup - Stockley (1 in 1 game) | Stockton (2 in 2 games)
    EFL Trophy - Stockley (3 in 2 games) | Stockton (0 in 1 game)

    Then for those who care, and according to the BBC in terms of League goals - Stockley has converted 20% of his chances; Stockton has converted 22% of his chances - So there is the potential that Stockton will be just as wasteful in front of goal as our current pairing.

    e.g. We don't see him every week, so be interested to see how many times we'd be sitting on MorecambeLife bemoaning the fact that he needs three chances a game to score just the once. 

    Alfie May might be the better option, as he could then challenge Conor Washington. I dont see us having Stockton | Stockley | Aneke fighting for one position - And under Jackson if we played both, then I hope people are prepared for having a sore neck at 5pm on alternate Saturdays
  • Don't just look at Cole Stocktons goal return, look at how he plays, he is a menace to defenders, gets in pockets of space and is capable of dropping and being really effective. Its real credit to him and Morecombe he has got the amount of goals he has but he would improve most front-lines in this division 

    There are some centre forwards in the division below id love us to sign. Mat and Stevens who are at FGR for example, they will cause us endless problems if we had to play them next week. And their full back who is probably destined for bigger things than tier 3 nut id love us to bring him in too
  • Behind all of these comments I think the general feeling is that we want Jackson to succeed, should someone without the history of Charlton behind them then the manager would have been slammed and people demanding a sacking.
    A criticism, it seems that the players are going through the motions and possibly Jackson cannot motivate players.
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