Now we are safe from relegation I thought we might expect to
be clear on who will stay and who will go. I notice that the elusive Nile
John and fellow loanee, Castillo weren’t in the squad last night.
Given Saturday’s defeat and 3 games in 8 days if we were
going to use them then it would have been last night. Clearly, they aren’t
going to play so why are we wasting their time and ours? Just send them back
to their parent clubs!
We need to use these remaining games to plan for next season
and look at those players who will potentially feature. Already, we’re making a
mess of things!
PWR or watching. That's three stupid red cards in recent weeks Clare wrestling the Oxford fella, gilbey trying to swap shirts on Saturday now Inniss snapping some bloke in half for no reason. It's almost like they don't want to be out there.
Now we are safe from relegation I thought we might expect to
be clear on who will stay and who will go. I notice that the elusive Nile
John and fellow loanee, Castillo weren’t in the squad last night.
Given Saturday’s defeat and 3 games in 8 days if we were
going to use them then it would have been last night. Clearly, they aren’t
going to play so why are we wasting their time and ours? Just send them back
to their parent clubs!
We need to use these remaining games to plan for next season
and look at those players who will potentially feature. Already, we’re making a
mess of things!
I wonder if Gilbey and Innis have been made "clear" that they are amongst those "who will go". It might help to explain their reckless "dirty protest|"
Slightly ironic that in a system designed to have an attacking wingback on the left, and a defensive one on the right, by far the best bit of attacking came from the right wingback.
Indeed in recent weeks it's Matthews' defending has been questioned, whereas DJ has actually improved in this aspect...
All of you bleating about not wanting 'to watch this shit anymore', or ' I don't want to renew my season ticket ', then don't: you're under no obligation to do so. We're a third division club with third division players and a third division manager, yet the expectations/sense of entitlement on here exceed these basic facts. Supporting Charlton means supporting a club that has no guarantee of success - two play-off wins at Wembley, anyone? - and, at times, watching turgid football played by average players. I probably watch 10 - 12 games a season now the the lad's away and can probably afford to be more sanguine about what happens on the pitch, but it's still Charlton, a team that will infuriate and disappoint, but one that I'm still proud to call my team.
Genuine question. The manager of your choice if you could choose any from outside the premier, would do what with this squad?
Before you say “play 433!” I mean, where would we finish in the league?
I don’t really think the formation is the issue, for me it’s how predictable and slow we are in possession. Whatever you think of the players ability or ‘passion’ they are playing to the instructions and style asked of them and coached into them.
Now I’m not saying we go full Russell Martin and have a possession based style of football, because you can still dominate possession and look nice whilst doing so - and still be a bit shit.
But something for me really needs to change when we are attacking. It does not matter what personnel we have swapped in, but we have always struggled to be creative in the final third, because we never have options in the centre of the park. Those players are either too deep, or already in the penalty box waiting for the cross we are setting up swing in.
Teams with players with arguably much less ability than ours such as Hartlepool and Gateshead managed to get players in decent pockets of space and positions when they attacked us because they generally moved the ball quicker.
I struggling to remember a "give and go" /Wall pass/ 1-2 in the attacking third. I remember one in the JJ caretaker manager time , but it was just over the half way line. When do we pass between defenders when attacking? I can remember John Barnes playing one when we were struggling in the Prem and the ball rolled slowly out of play for GK and CAFC players all looked at him if he had invented a new game.
Genuine question. The manager of your choice if you could choose any from outside the premier, would do what with this squad?
Before you say “play 433!” I mean, where would we finish in the league?
I'd go for Dave Challinor the Stockport manager. Has a good CV and knows how to set a team up. He's used to getting the best out of journeyman players.
Didn't he bust Martin Pringle's leg in an awful challenge, while Pringle was on loan at Grimsby?
Hasn’t Stockley scored 18 goals this season? Better than 1 in 2?
edit: just seen Eltham Addick make the same point…
I thought it was 11 in L1. Some of the others were in Pizza cup? and against Premier league Juniors? He does score , reasonable when its on a plate, and capable of winning headers in attack and defence, and some hold up play but lacks even medium pace, dribbling skills....some movement (slight) in front of goal but nil on rest of pitch. Cant remember seeing Washington or him passing to each other- can you or maybe I've got Alzheimers. A good back up striker , or maybe first choice in one or two particularly physical games in a season. So better than some in League1 but needs a lot talent around him to compensate for shortcomings.
Genuine question. The manager of your choice if you could choose any from outside the premier, would do what with this squad?
Before you say “play 433!” I mean, where would we finish in the league?
I'd go for Dave Challinor the Stockport manager. Has a good CV and knows how to set a team up. He's used to getting the best out of journeyman players.
Didn't he bust Martin Pringle's leg in an awful challenge, while Pringle was on loan at Grimsby?
All of you bleating about not wanting 'to watch this shit anymore', or ' I don't want to renew my season ticket ', then don't: you're under no obligation to do so. We're a third division club with third division players and a third division manager, yet the expectations/sense of entitlement on here exceed these basic facts. Supporting Charlton means supporting a club that has no guarantee of success - two play-off wins at Wembley, anyone? - and, at times, watching turgid football played by average players. I probably watch 10 - 12 games a season now the the lad's away and can probably afford to be more sanguine about what happens on the pitch, but it's still Charlton, a team that will infuriate and disappoint, but one that I'm still proud to call my team.
Well said Redskin
I've watched all but 4 games this season so far. Wish we could do better but it is what it is. Still celebrated by running round the settee when we scored last night
Couldn’t watch most of it so can’t comment on the game itself. Saw the replay of the red card, hopefully that ends any thoughts that Inniss is worth another contract.
Can’t wait for this season to be over. Jackson and the squad must feel the same. We’re safe now and there’s nothing to play for. Players aren’t going to give that extra few percent and this squad doesn’t have enough quality on the pitch and the bench. The team spirit won’t be there with so many players knowing they’re on the way out. I really don’t think we can read much at all into results and performances, it’s all about how we go about our business in the summer. Looking forward to seeing the released list.
Still believe getting recruitment is more important than the right manager. Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson have all struggled, what they all had in common are squads that aren’t promotion standard. A new manager won’t improve things if they’d have a similar squad next season.
We have no decent strikers on the bench to change a game. Aneke’s fitness issues and injuries mean we’ll likely need five senior strikers rather than four. We don’t have a single midfielder close to scoring double figures, never mind two or three. Inniss is our only CB who’s a consistent threat from set pieces and he’s not even available for 20 games a season.
Whether Matthews and Pearce get new deals will give us an indication of the budget and ambition for the summer. If the likes of Gunter and Inniss get new deals then that’ll show they have no idea what they’re doing.
I hope TS is playing down expectations this time and continuing to evaluate what’s required. Five permanents and a similar number of loans might be enough if they get recruitment spot on. Only two plus five loans will see more of the same with a realistic chance of getting even worse.
I don’t expect us to replicate 11/12 under Powell but we’ve got to give it a proper go. This squad needs a big rebuild and change of culture, not rewarding failure by giving average and declining players new contracts. Not confident it’ll happen but at the very least it can’t be anywhere near as bad as last summer, can it?
Couldn’t watch most of it so can’t comment on the game itself. Saw the replay of the red card, hopefully that ends any thoughts that Inniss is worth another contract.
Can’t wait for this season to be over. Jackson and the squad must feel the same. We’re safe now and there’s nothing to play for. Players aren’t going to give that extra few percent and this squad doesn’t have enough quality on the pitch and the bench. The team spirit won’t be there with so many players knowing they’re on the way out. I really don’t think we can read much at all into results and performances, it’s all about how we go about our business in the summer. Looking forward to seeing the released list.
Still believe getting recruitment is more important than the right manager. Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson have all struggled, what they all had in common are squads that aren’t promotion standard. A new manager won’t improve things if they’d have a similar squad next season.
We have no decent strikers on the bench to change a game. Aneke’s fitness issues and injuries mean we’ll likely need five senior strikers rather than four. We don’t have a single midfielder close to scoring double figures, never mind two or three. Inniss is our only CB who’s a consistent threat from set pieces and he’s not even available for 20 games a season.
Whether Matthews and Pearce get new deals will give us an indication of the budget and ambition for the summer. If the likes of Gunter and Inniss get new deals then that’ll show they have no idea what they’re doing.
I hope TS is playing down expectations this time and continuing to evaluate what’s required. Five permanents and a similar number of loans might be enough if they get recruitment spot on. Only two plus five loans will see more of the same with a realistic chance of getting even worse.
I don’t expect us to replicate 11/12 under Powell but we’ve got to give it a proper go. This squad needs a big rebuild and change of culture, not rewarding failure by giving average and declining players new contracts. Not confident it’ll happen but at the very least it can’t be anywhere near as bad as last summer, can it?
Like your analogy of Bowyer Adkins and J J .All had in common, a list of very average players ,at their disposal. Even though they may have had a modicum of say in who is recruited .And as they say 'you cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear ole'. In fact, contrary to the plethora of 'arm chair' superlative tacticians on F L. these managers are probably ,as good, perhaps even better than most, using the players that they had available. I cant believe that these ,elevated (in their own valuation) folk ,are already calling for JJ to go, in a very clear, but subtle way
In my six plus decades of following Charlton It is not only recruitment of players but the ability to hang on to the potential good young developing players. We have always sold off good young players, for good money, to pay the bills, to the ambitious clubs ,then buy or recruit an aging or injury prone player, in hope that we have made a good business move ie made money and not dropped the standard of football .It has very rarely worked. There is a message here for TS to change this culture, at the club
What exactly has JJ brought to the club as coach/manager? Are there any signs that he will prove to be a good manager?
Couldn’t watch most of it so can’t comment on the game itself. Saw the replay of the red card, hopefully that ends any thoughts that Inniss is worth another contract.
Can’t wait for this season to be over. Jackson and the squad must feel the same. We’re safe now and there’s nothing to play for. Players aren’t going to give that extra few percent and this squad doesn’t have enough quality on the pitch and the bench. The team spirit won’t be there with so many players knowing they’re on the way out. I really don’t think we can read much at all into results and performances, it’s all about how we go about our business in the summer. Looking forward to seeing the released list.
Still believe getting recruitment is more important than the right manager. Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson have all struggled, what they all had in common are squads that aren’t promotion standard. A new manager won’t improve things if they’d have a similar squad next season.
We have no decent strikers on the bench to change a game. Aneke’s fitness issues and injuries mean we’ll likely need five senior strikers rather than four. We don’t have a single midfielder close to scoring double figures, never mind two or three. Inniss is our only CB who’s a consistent threat from set pieces and he’s not even available for 20 games a season.
Whether Matthews and Pearce get new deals will give us an indication of the budget and ambition for the summer. If the likes of Gunter and Inniss get new deals then that’ll show they have no idea what they’re doing.
I hope TS is playing down expectations this time and continuing to evaluate what’s required. Five permanents and a similar number of loans might be enough if they get recruitment spot on. Only two plus five loans will see more of the same with a realistic chance of getting even worse.
I don’t expect us to replicate 11/12 under Powell but we’ve got to give it a proper go. This squad needs a big rebuild and change of culture, not rewarding failure by giving average and declining players new contracts. Not confident it’ll happen but at the very least it can’t be anywhere near as bad as last summer, can it?
Couldn’t watch most of it so can’t comment on the game itself. Saw the replay of the red card, hopefully that ends any thoughts that Inniss is worth another contract.
Can’t wait for this season to be over. Jackson and the squad must feel the same. We’re safe now and there’s nothing to play for. Players aren’t going to give that extra few percent and this squad doesn’t have enough quality on the pitch and the bench. The team spirit won’t be there with so many players knowing they’re on the way out. I really don’t think we can read much at all into results and performances, it’s all about how we go about our business in the summer. Looking forward to seeing the released list.
Still believe getting recruitment is more important than the right manager. Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson have all struggled, what they all had in common are squads that aren’t promotion standard. A new manager won’t improve things if they’d have a similar squad next season.
We have no decent strikers on the bench to change a game. Aneke’s fitness issues and injuries mean we’ll likely need five senior strikers rather than four. We don’t have a single midfielder close to scoring double figures, never mind two or three. Inniss is our only CB who’s a consistent threat from set pieces and he’s not even available for 20 games a season.
Whether Matthews and Pearce get new deals will give us an indication of the budget and ambition for the summer. If the likes of Gunter and Inniss get new deals then that’ll show they have no idea what they’re doing.
I hope TS is playing down expectations this time and continuing to evaluate what’s required. Five permanents and a similar number of loans might be enough if they get recruitment spot on. Only two plus five loans will see more of the same with a realistic chance of getting even worse.
I don’t expect us to replicate 11/12 under Powell but we’ve got to give it a proper go. This squad needs a big rebuild and change of culture, not rewarding failure by giving average and declining players new contracts. Not confident it’ll happen but at the very least it can’t be anywhere near as bad as last summer, can it?
Like your analogy of Bowyer Adkins and J J .All had in common, a list of very average players ,at their disposal. Even though they may have had a modicum of say in who is recruited .And as they say 'you cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear ole'. In fact, contrary to the plethora of 'arm chair' superlative tacticians on F L. these managers are probably ,as good, perhaps even better than most, using the players that they had available. I cant believe that these ,elevated (in their own valuation) folk ,are already calling for JJ to go, in a very clear, but subtle way
In my six plus decades of following Charlton It is not only recruitment of players but the ability to hang on to the potential good young developing players. We have always sold off good young players, for good money, to pay the bills, to the ambitious clubs ,then buy or recruit an aging or injury prone player, in hope that we have made a good business move ie made money and not dropped the standard of football .It has very rarely worked. There is a message here for TS to change this culture, at the club
What exactly has JJ brought to the club as coach/manager? Are there any signs that he will prove to be a good manager?
Loves the club totally Good enough start for me.
I and many others love our club .. that doesn't mean we are anyway capable of managing the football squad
A lot being made of Inniss letting us down (I agree) but he could've easily busted the Wimbledon player's leg with such an out of control lunge. That was the real crime.
Genuine question. The manager of your choice if you could choose any from outside the premier, would do what with this squad?
Before you say “play 433!” I mean, where would we finish in the league?
I'd go for Dave Challinor the Stockport manager. Has a good CV and knows how to set a team up. He's used to getting the best out of journeyman players.
Didn't he bust Martin Pringle's leg in an awful challenge, while Pringle was on loan at Grimsby?
from wiki ... He was transferred to Stockport County for a fee of £120,000 in January 2002. Whilst playing for Stockport County against Grimsby Town, Challinor's tackle on striker Martin Pringle broke the leg of Pringle in two places, and effectively ended his career. Though Challinor only received a yellow card, Carlton Palmer, Stockport's player-manager, fined Challinor two weeks' wages and called the tackle "horrendous".[6][7]
A brilliant write up redskin I totally agree with your comments,some of other peoples comments on here sicken me with things like he’s shit,calling for Johnny Jackson to be replaced, but you must remember a lot of these comments come from Sunday league players ,and people who have never kicked a ball in their lives.if your a true charlton supporter you back the club through the good and bad times. No professional footballer goes on to the pitch and plans to have a bad game or pick up red or yellow cards as some on here think they do it all happens in a split second in the heat of the moment. Sometimes players lose form, that’s when players need picking up not getting slated.
Couldn’t watch most of it so can’t comment on the game itself. Saw the replay of the red card, hopefully that ends any thoughts that Inniss is worth another contract.
Can’t wait for this season to be over. Jackson and the squad must feel the same. We’re safe now and there’s nothing to play for. Players aren’t going to give that extra few percent and this squad doesn’t have enough quality on the pitch and the bench. The team spirit won’t be there with so many players knowing they’re on the way out. I really don’t think we can read much at all into results and performances, it’s all about how we go about our business in the summer. Looking forward to seeing the released list.
Still believe getting recruitment is more important than the right manager. Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson have all struggled, what they all had in common are squads that aren’t promotion standard. A new manager won’t improve things if they’d have a similar squad next season.
We have no decent strikers on the bench to change a game. Aneke’s fitness issues and injuries mean we’ll likely need five senior strikers rather than four. We don’t have a single midfielder close to scoring double figures, never mind two or three. Inniss is our only CB who’s a consistent threat from set pieces and he’s not even available for 20 games a season.
Whether Matthews and Pearce get new deals will give us an indication of the budget and ambition for the summer. If the likes of Gunter and Inniss get new deals then that’ll show they have no idea what they’re doing.
I hope TS is playing down expectations this time and continuing to evaluate what’s required. Five permanents and a similar number of loans might be enough if they get recruitment spot on. Only two plus five loans will see more of the same with a realistic chance of getting even worse.
I don’t expect us to replicate 11/12 under Powell but we’ve got to give it a proper go. This squad needs a big rebuild and change of culture, not rewarding failure by giving average and declining players new contracts. Not confident it’ll happen but at the very least it can’t be anywhere near as bad as last summer, can it?
Couldn’t watch most of it so can’t comment on the game itself. Saw the replay of the red card, hopefully that ends any thoughts that Inniss is worth another contract.
Can’t wait for this season to be over. Jackson and the squad must feel the same. We’re safe now and there’s nothing to play for. Players aren’t going to give that extra few percent and this squad doesn’t have enough quality on the pitch and the bench. The team spirit won’t be there with so many players knowing they’re on the way out. I really don’t think we can read much at all into results and performances, it’s all about how we go about our business in the summer. Looking forward to seeing the released list.
Still believe getting recruitment is more important than the right manager. Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson have all struggled, what they all had in common are squads that aren’t promotion standard. A new manager won’t improve things if they’d have a similar squad next season.
We have no decent strikers on the bench to change a game. Aneke’s fitness issues and injuries mean we’ll likely need five senior strikers rather than four. We don’t have a single midfielder close to scoring double figures, never mind two or three. Inniss is our only CB who’s a consistent threat from set pieces and he’s not even available for 20 games a season.
Whether Matthews and Pearce get new deals will give us an indication of the budget and ambition for the summer. If the likes of Gunter and Inniss get new deals then that’ll show they have no idea what they’re doing.
I hope TS is playing down expectations this time and continuing to evaluate what’s required. Five permanents and a similar number of loans might be enough if they get recruitment spot on. Only two plus five loans will see more of the same with a realistic chance of getting even worse.
I don’t expect us to replicate 11/12 under Powell but we’ve got to give it a proper go. This squad needs a big rebuild and change of culture, not rewarding failure by giving average and declining players new contracts. Not confident it’ll happen but at the very least it can’t be anywhere near as bad as last summer, can it?
Like your analogy of Bowyer Adkins and J J .All had in common, a list of very average players ,at their disposal. Even though they may have had a modicum of say in who is recruited .And as they say 'you cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear ole'. In fact, contrary to the plethora of 'arm chair' superlative tacticians on F L. these managers are probably ,as good, perhaps even better than most, using the players that they had available. I cant believe that these ,elevated (in their own valuation) folk ,are already calling for JJ to go, in a very clear, but subtle way
In my six plus decades of following Charlton It is not only recruitment of players but the ability to hang on to the potential good young developing players. We have always sold off good young players, for good money, to pay the bills, to the ambitious clubs ,then buy or recruit an aging or injury prone player, in hope that we have made a good business move ie made money and not dropped the standard of football .It has very rarely worked. There is a message here for TS to change this culture, at the club
What exactly has JJ brought to the club as coach/manager? Are there any signs that he will prove to be a good manager?
Loves the club totally Good enough start for me.
I and many others love our club .. that doesn't mean we are anyway capable of managing the football squad
Oh really ? You could have fooled me. Dont you just luv armchair experts?
Even after a few hours cooling off my opinion that we are just shit still stands. I would bet that all of these players that we are saying get shot of will if released find other clubs that are either above us in in our league or in some cases Championship clubs. As I have said before this season is finished really and for me results are not as important as the performances, I would still be pissed off if we had won 1-0 last night, the result doesnt take away from the fact that we are playing so badly it is just plain boring. The commercial team in CAFC must be thinking OMG its hard enough in the best of times but how do I get anyone to want to get commercially involved with this lot ! if TS is trying to expand the brand then you need a product ! the product right now is turgid, boring, predictable with absolutely noting going for it and tbh has been that way for about 80% of this season. Every throw in goes down the line to Stockley who has 2/3 players on him ( why when he has 2 or 3 players on him are our other players finding space to run into and receive the ball instead of Stockley ? ) we may as well not have a midfield as we so rarely play through them. Devoid of ideas, nothing to suggest there is anything in the locker to adjust things.
If JJ didnt have the history with the club that he has then there is no chance he would survive this shite. For me I would get shot of the whole coaching set up and bring in a new external team ( I know I will get ripped apart for suggesting that anyone other than someone with a history with the club can possibly manage us as they just dont get "it" ) I happened to turn over to Sky sports last night and in the studio was Ryan Lowe after the PNE game. He talked honestly and openly about the clubs re structure in terms of recruitment etc and his plan for the future development of the club. He came across as a young manager with his head screwed on, this is the type of Manager we need imo, not someone in his 1st job with no experience that gets given the job because he past connection with us
Genuine question. The manager of your choice if you could choose any from outside the premier, would do what with this squad?
Before you say “play 433!” I mean, where would we finish in the league?
I'd go for Dave Challinor the Stockport manager. Has a good CV and knows how to set a team up. He's used to getting the best out of journeyman players.
Didn't he bust Martin Pringle's leg in an awful challenge, while Pringle was on loan at Grimsby?
from wiki ... He was transferred to Stockport County for a fee of £120,000 in January 2002. Whilst playing for Stockport County against Grimsby Town, Challinor's tackle on striker Martin Pringle broke the leg of Pringle in two places, and effectively ended his career. Though Challinor only received a yellow card, Carlton Palmer, Stockport's player-manager, fined Challinor two weeks' wages and called the tackle "horrendous".[6][7]
Credit to Palmer for his reaction. Interestingly, the referee was Mark Clattenburg
All of you bleating about not wanting 'to watch this shit anymore', or ' I don't want to renew my season ticket ', then don't: you're under no obligation to do so. We're a third division club with third division players and a third division manager, yet the expectations/sense of entitlement on here exceed these basic facts. Supporting Charlton means supporting a club that has no guarantee of success - two play-off wins at Wembley, anyone? - and, at times, watching turgid football played by average players. I probably watch 10 - 12 games a season now the the lad's away and can probably afford to be more sanguine about what happens on the pitch, but it's still Charlton, a team that will infuriate and disappoint, but one that I'm still proud to call my team.
Managed to miss the first 10 minutes owing to a big queue at the only turnstile and with it, apparently, our only decent spell of the game. Thereafter, we served up total dross, save for Matthews' excellent run and cross for the goal, which was totally out of keeping with the rest of a dire game.
I really don't know where we go from here. The structure of the team is poor, there is no real pattern of play and the side is littered with weak and underperforming players. You have to wonder what the hell is going on at Sparrow's Lane.
On the plus side, at least Inniss' disgraceful assault on the Wimbledon player didn't seriously injure him - it could very easily have ended his career.
A brilliant write up redskin I totally agree with your comments,some of other peoples comments on here sicken me with things like he’s shit,calling for Johnny Jackson to be replaced, but you must remember a lot of these comments come from Sunday league players ,and people who have never kicked a ball in their lives.if your a true charlton supporter you back the club through the good and bad times. No professional footballer goes on to the pitch and plans to have a bad game or pick up red or yellow cards as some on here think they do it all happens in a split second in the heat of the moment. Sometimes players lose form, that’s when players need picking up not getting slated.
How many matches have you been to this season out of interest?
What irritates me the most is that it was a bright start and we looked at another level. But I knew they would get back into it because sides always do against us, no matter how crap they are. This has to be addressed. Even though we won, it was the same with Doncaster. They were there to be beaten and we did our best to let them get back into it! I think there is a fragility about us.
What irritates me the most is that it was a bright start and we looked at another level. But I knew they would get back into it because sides always do against us, no matter how crap they are. This has to be addressed.
It’s almost like other managers can make in game adjustments that counter whatever we are doing, but we are incapable of doing the same.
What irritates me the most is that it was a bright start and we looked at another level. But I knew they would get back into it because sides always do against us, no matter how crap they are. This has to be addressed.
It’s almost like other managers can make in game adjustments that counter whatever we are doing, but we are incapable of doing the same.
I have it down as 16 players being here next season from the current crop, I think Purrington and Forster Caskey will be offered deals and that we'd sign up Famewo on a permanent to make that 16. That means eight or nine players being signed on permanents or loans. The biggest problems we have faced this season were down to poor player recruitment and injuries to our front three, if we sign players in the summer who are available because no one else wants them then next season will mirror this. We can blame Adkins, and I did, or Jackson, which I haven't because for me the penny dropped and I realised that the current bunch lack quality and character. Recruitment needs to change and the new signings must want to play for the club and give their all.
When die hard regulars of many years standing moan then the club need to listen. Contrary to what others say on here, if you've been watching Charlton for 40,50,60 plus years and attending week in week out, year after year after year, you do know your stuff and how Charlton should look and play. We know something is very wrong at the club we love.
I absolutely resent people saying we are Sunday park football players who don't understand the game. That is utter tosh. In my opinion (and I have discussed this with others that have watched us for over 50 years) sometimes managers get too close to players and make decisions based on performance and/or attitude in training etc. To me all that counts is performance on the pitch as to whether players should get game time. Possibly Gilbey is a case in point based on how Jackson speaks about him. That also goes for excellent shot saving goalkeepers that lose out to keepers that are better with their feet. Nonsense.
@Redskin and @Davo53 aren't regulars, have not lived and breathed in the flesh the absolute rubbish on display this season. I banged on about something a couple of months back and someone brought it up again after yesterday's performance - why is it that when he got the job, we excellently applied the high press, trapping top 6 teams, Plymouth and Rotherham, in their own half and winning the ball high up the pitch. Why did this suddenly stop?
Why have players regressed under us ie Lee, Kirk, DJ? The club is a shambles from top to bottom and it appears management merely pay lip service to fans views. We want an experienced CEO, we want Keohane out and we want a manager who is able to be flexible in his tactical play and can improve players. Premiership ready - My arse, just win games. So fed up with it all.
The problem is of course, none of us could be put in charge of the team and be remotely successful. But if you are watching football for decades, sometimes for longer than the manager has been alive, you may pick up insights about the game that are greater than many in it possess. Albeit from a different perspective.
I do know that it isn't always a case of replacing every player. I agree with Bailey that we should look to keep about 15 or 16 and then if we are smart with the players we add, we could be competitive.
I don't know if Jacko has it but I don't know if any manager we could bring in will have it either and Jacko has had an opportunity to assess what is needed and develop a plan. I think the wisest way forwards is to give him a chance with one caveat. Sandgaard does employ Steve Brown and Alan Curbishley and surely he could get them to assess and give an opinion on Jacko's next season plan for him.
Not for me, for a couple of reasons.
Firstly any manager and coaching team worth their salt should not be having to formulate a plan with input with two blokes who won’t be involved in the day to day coaching of that side. It’s just a recipe for disaster, especially on match days when you inevitably have to react to all that goes on in a football game. They should be clear about their own style of play, the sort of players they want etc, and be allowed to do it themselves. It should be totally on the manager and his coaching team.
Secondly I said before the appointment of Jackson that we need a complete reset in ethos and coaching. We have been on a overall downward spiral for many years now, and nothing feels like it will change if we continue to want to employ people in coaching/advisory roles who are associated with the current set up - especially those who think Alex Gilbey is the answer.
It isn't what I said. My point is they could look at the plan and advise TS whether it makes sense. TS has no credentials to make that sort of call. That wouldn't be for them to have their own plan but to see the football possibilities of Jacko's plan. My mindset is really just to make sure he has one.
Now that the dust has settled on everything else I'll get on one of my favourite hobby-horses.
Eight minutes injury time? Eight effing minutes? Eff off. Six maybe. Eight was a joke. Although the ref did spend getting on a minute standing over Purrington refusing him attention, which turned out to be a disgracefully bad decision, and if he is out for a while as a result, that's on the ref.
But what of the 4th official? All of them. What do they do? What do they not do? Nobody actually knows, not even the occasional Lifer who refs. Do they play a role in time-keeping? Do they advise the ref? If so, what about? Was it not the 4th official who advised the ref to come over and book Jackson, who was incensed about the way the ref allowed a free kick to be taken 10 yards forward from where the -supposed - offence took place? There was that utter shambles the other week when CBT was booked after waiting an age to get back on, and came on, believing the 4th official had let him on.
Matt Slater at the Athletic has said he agrees there's a story there about how exactly extra time is worked out, and why there seems to be more of it in England than on the Continent if we are all following the same UEFA/FIFA rules and guidance, and I'll mention the whole 4th official thing.
So much money in the English game and this stuff is amateur hour, we all deserve better, and most of all we deserve to know what the sodding system actually is.
It was probably right to play 8 minutes but refs never play what is right. I always call the minutes added on just before they are added and am right 90% of the time and I called 6 minutes yesterday.
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Now we are safe from relegation I thought we might expect to be clear on who will stay and who will go. I notice that the elusive Nile John and fellow loanee, Castillo weren’t in the squad last night.
Given Saturday’s defeat and 3 games in 8 days if we were going to use them then it would have been last night. Clearly, they aren’t going to play so why are we wasting their time and ours? Just send them back to their parent clubs!
We need to use these remaining games to plan for next season and look at those players who will potentially feature. Already, we’re making a mess of things!
It might help to explain their reckless "dirty protest|"
Indeed in recent weeks it's Matthews' defending has been questioned, whereas DJ has actually improved in this aspect...
He does score , reasonable when its on a plate, and capable of winning headers in attack and defence, and some hold up play but lacks even medium pace, dribbling skills....some movement (slight) in front of goal but nil on rest of pitch. Cant remember seeing Washington or him passing to each other- can you or maybe I've got Alzheimers. A good back up striker , or maybe first choice in one or two particularly physical games in a season.
So better than some in League1 but needs a lot talent around him to compensate for shortcomings.
If JJ didnt have the history with the club that he has then there is no chance he would survive this shite. For me I would get shot of the whole coaching set up and bring in a new external team ( I know I will get ripped apart for suggesting that anyone other than someone with a history with the club can possibly manage us as they just dont get "it" ) I happened to turn over to Sky sports last night and in the studio was Ryan Lowe after the PNE game. He talked honestly and openly about the clubs re structure in terms of recruitment etc and his plan for the future development of the club. He came across as a young manager with his head screwed on, this is the type of Manager we need imo, not someone in his 1st job with no experience that gets given the job because he past connection with us
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/1844527.stm
I absolutely resent people saying we are Sunday park football players who don't understand the game. That is utter tosh. In my opinion (and I have discussed this with others that have watched us for over 50 years) sometimes managers get too close to players and make decisions based on performance and/or attitude in training etc. To me all that counts is performance on the pitch as to whether players should get game time. Possibly Gilbey is a case in point based on how Jackson speaks about him. That also goes for excellent shot saving goalkeepers that lose out to keepers that are better with their feet. Nonsense.
@Redskin and @Davo53 aren't regulars, have not lived and breathed in the flesh the absolute rubbish on display this season. I banged on about something a couple of months back and someone brought it up again after yesterday's performance - why is it that when he got the job, we excellently applied the high press, trapping top 6 teams, Plymouth and Rotherham, in their own half and winning the ball high up the pitch. Why did this suddenly stop?
Why have players regressed under us ie Lee, Kirk, DJ? The club is a shambles from top to bottom and it appears management merely pay lip service to fans views. We want an experienced CEO, we want Keohane out and we want a manager who is able to be flexible in his tactical play and can improve players. Premiership ready - My arse, just win games. So fed up with it all.
I do know that it isn't always a case of replacing every player. I agree with Bailey that we should look to keep about 15 or 16 and then if we are smart with the players we add, we could be competitive.
Eight minutes injury time? Eight effing minutes? Eff off. Six maybe. Eight was a joke. Although the ref did spend getting on a minute standing over Purrington refusing him attention, which turned out to be a disgracefully bad decision, and if he is out for a while as a result, that's on the ref.
But what of the 4th official? All of them. What do they do? What do they not do? Nobody actually knows, not even the occasional Lifer who refs. Do they play a role in time-keeping? Do they advise the ref? If so, what about? Was it not the 4th official who advised the ref to come over and book Jackson, who was incensed about the way the ref allowed a free kick to be taken 10 yards forward from where the -supposed - offence took place? There was that utter shambles the other week when CBT was booked after waiting an age to get back on, and came on, believing the 4th official had let him on.
Matt Slater at the Athletic has said he agrees there's a story there about how exactly extra time is worked out, and why there seems to be more of it in England than on the Continent if we are all following the same UEFA/FIFA rules and guidance, and I'll mention the whole 4th official thing.
So much money in the English game and this stuff is amateur hour, we all deserve better, and most of all we deserve to know what the sodding system actually is.