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Adkins Out? - Match Thread
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Whats your theory on why TS is faffing over sacking NA @Airman Brown? Is it a lack of a plan b perhaps? Reluctance to pay him off?Airman Brown said:
Looks like Keohane to me, which tallies with information that Sandgaard listens to him. Utterly ridiculous.charlton_hero said:1 -
Bit of conincedence though surely?roseandcrown said:Addick_8 said:Jason Pearce looks as if he is backing Nigel
Could be taken as a dig in that NA has disciplined someone when they need confidence. Could be backing NA or could be he likes the quote and nothing more.
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That's the point of using an independent consultant and ensuring all comments are anonymised.killerandflash said:
Several of those are likely to be part of the problem thoughDazzler21 said:killerandflash said:If I was Sandgaard I'd urgently talk to Pearce, a senior pro who's relatively untarnished by this season, to ask him what's gone wrong. He needs to get another voice to that of Adkins or Roddy, and Jacko and Euell are too involved.
The likes of Roddy, Adkins and even Jacko are hardly likely to tell Sandgaard that they're doing a crap job as individuals
Pearce is I think the club captain. He alone should be able to tell Sandgaard what training is like, what the dressing room atmosphere is like etc. Whether Adkins is the problem, or indeed whether Jacko and Euell are part of the problem as well
Everyone on that list should be able to speak freely without fear of consequence knowing that their comments could help the club and their silence will only continue to hurt it.
You need several input angles otherwise you will only hear the silo'd view of what Pearce for instance may want to say... It needs to be a more holistic approach.
I'd expect Sandgaard's no.1 to be a self admission that we need a CEO in place as he can't manage us from Colorado without better on the ground management.
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I think he’s probably still in denial. He’ll get there, hopefully sooner rather than later. I think the problem runs so deep I’d bin the whole set-up and start again but he needs to recognise that first. Not sure he’s willing to admit that yet.CAFCTrev said:
Whats your theory on why TS is faffing over sacking NA @Airman Brown? Is it a lack of a plan b perhaps? Reluctance to pay him off?Airman Brown said:
Looks like Keohane to me, which tallies with information that Sandgaard listens to him. Utterly ridiculous.charlton_hero said:
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First he was given 3 games … second why bring a new man in or caretaker in when our next game is Sunderland away .. might as well let NA take that game and if a change is needed do it after .. that way someone new as the whole week to get ready for Doncaster at home …CH4RLTON said:cannot believe he's not been sacked, this is becoming an stupid
but knowing us I fully expect us to win at Sunderland on Saturday … that’s Charlton2 -
He a multi millionaire… I doubt he ever tired himself in knots … people need a reality check on how much TS has invested in getting this club ..carly burn said:If he stays then something serious is going on at the very top.
I suspect TS has tied himself in knots financially and has completely underestimated the whole venture.
Quite how we can call the bloke our saviour when we are sitting in the lowest position we've ever been in is laughable.4 -
If Adkins is to go, then it is a case of the sooner the better so a new man can prep for Donny well in advance?RonnieMoore said:
First he was given 3 games … second why bring a new man in or caretaker in when our next game is Sunderland away .. might as well let NA take that game and if a change is needed do it after .. that way someone new as the whole week to get ready for Doncaster at home …CH4RLTON said:cannot believe he's not been sacked, this is becoming an stupid
but knowing us I fully expect us to win at Sunderland on Saturday … that’s Charlton1 -
The shadow of Roddy looms large over all of this. Going back to when Bowyer left. I reckon he made Lee feel unwanted which, over a period of time, led in turn to a series of events that saw him go.
Why else would Bowyer who loves the club and family happily settled up and go?
He stayed loyal and until Ged's arrival was still doing a good job. We sure as hell wouldn't be in this position if he were still here.
Adkins came in from nowhere.
Whatever Gallen says publicly I suspect he doesn't appreciate the interference/involvement of Roddy in a process that worked reasonably well even in the darkest of times.
Sandgaard is at best naive (chosing my words carefully) if he opted not to speak to long standing and experienced Charlton people last night.
There were many choices.......Curbs, Steve Sutherland to name but two.
No point in discussing anything much with Roddy and Adkins.
Adkins says he's got Sandgaard's support and that Thomas wants what's best for the club. To me those two things are mutually exclusive!!!9 -
The new man can get to know the players and start getting them used to his style earlier. If the Sunderland game is a loss either way, why wait?RonnieMoore said:
why bring a new man in or caretaker in when our next game is Sunderland awayCH4RLTON said:cannot believe he's not been sacked, this is becoming an stupid2 -
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Agreed. Sunderland is a free hit, with no real pressure, in some ways an easier game to start with than the MASSIVE game against Doncaster, which will be super tenseCAFCTrev said:
The new man can get to know the players and start getting them used to his style earlier. If the Sunderland game is a loss either way, why wait?RonnieMoore said:
why bring a new man in or caretaker in when our next game is Sunderland awayCH4RLTON said:cannot believe he's not been sacked, this is becoming an stupid
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How can he see that reaction from the crowd, with the loss and league position, and think it's ok to keep him in charge. He's not got the money to sack him, I'm convinced of it.CAFCTrev said:Its bizarre, Sandgaard came over, watched the game, saw us get beat by Accrington Stanley at home, seen one of the worst first half performances in years, and thinks to himself "yep Ive got the dream team in charge!". WTF dude!0 -
Didn't Roddy say that the situation would be assessed after 12 games?
The 12th game was horrific, the 13th just as bad.
What worries me is that if the situation really has been assessed after 12 games and Adkins is still in charge for the 14th, that would suggest it's already been decided he's here for a while longer.1 -
@DamoNorthStand
This isn't a "wife" scenario.
Dr Raelyn Maloney PHD is the director of Communications organizational development at Zynex.
She is also director of "A mindful place" in Littleton Colorado where she practices as a Counseling Psychologist.
I would image she will go with Thomas Sandgaard to the debrief at Sparrows lane as she will have a lot of clients waiting for her !
No way is Raelyn just a WAG to TS.
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Timing to me is irrelevant with regards to when the next game / management changeover occurs. Footballers, individual and as a team, should be able to turn and face the opposition regardless.
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If Tommy is the businessman he certainly appears to be, I'd be very surprised if he gets on his plane back to the US and Nigel is still with us. How many others are shown the door is another matter.0
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Surely???
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He’s not got the money to keep him either though. The attendances are only going one way.Croydon said:
How can he see that reaction from the crowd, with the loss and league position, and think it's ok to keep him in charge. He's not got the money to sack him, I'm convinced of it.CAFCTrev said:Its bizarre, Sandgaard came over, watched the game, saw us get beat by Accrington Stanley at home, seen one of the worst first half performances in years, and thinks to himself "yep Ive got the dream team in charge!". WTF dude!6 -
Cannot think of any other logical reason than him not being able to afford to pay him off. Got about 20 months left of his current contract i think.Croydon said:
How can he see that reaction from the crowd, with the loss and league position, and think it's ok to keep him in charge. He's not got the money to sack him, I'm convinced of it.CAFCTrev said:Its bizarre, Sandgaard came over, watched the game, saw us get beat by Accrington Stanley at home, seen one of the worst first half performances in years, and thinks to himself "yep Ive got the dream team in charge!". WTF dude!2 -
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I hope it was, as I said in the player rating thread. Something needs to change- I don’t know what, but loosing to Stanley is a new low (even the goal celebrations in the covered end felt not as powerful as they usually are).Dazzler21 said:
Maybe that was a subject of last night's discussions?JustFloydRoad said:Dazzler21 said:
Accurate, but for me it's that we're going to finish somewhere bottom half and that could include relegation. All depends on where the actual issue is.JustFloydRoad said:
Me coming to terms with the fact Adkins is going to be the Charlton Manager till the end of the season.
If he does better with his own staff why haven’t they brought them in (at least some of them) as maybe what he is lacking is experienced staff members.1 -
If Adkins weren't up there at the meeting, reckon the best it's gonna be is a like for like underwhelming management swap, possibly JJ. Why worry today what you can worry about tomorrow?
Be about as successful as Gallen and Roddy's summer transfers.
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........TS seems to be turning out to be a bit of a Roland0
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What is she like at managing football teams?soapboxsam said:@DamoNorthStand
This isn't a "wife" scenario.
Dr Raelyn Maloney PHD is the director of Communications organizational development at Zynex.
She is also director of "A mindful place" in Littleton Colorado where she practices as a Counseling Psychologist.
I would image she will go with Thomas Sandgaard to the debrief at Sparrows lane as she will have a lot of clients waiting for her !
No way is Raelyn just a WAG to TS.
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TS will lose more than just a payout to Nige if we go down. No fan should be thinking I hope we get tonked at Sunderland just to get rid of the manager because you'd hope that common sense would tell those in charge that these performances and the unhappiness of the fans is not sustainable.
I really hope TS deals with this soon otherwise he will lose an immense amount of credibility and support.1 -
It's not even the results, it's the WAY we're losing. We're losing on merit to the likes of Cheltenham, Lincoln and AccringtonJustFloydRoad said:
I hope it was, as I said in the player rating thread. Something needs to change- I don’t know what, but loosing to Stanley is a new low (even the goal celebrations in the covered end felt not as powerful as they usually are).Dazzler21 said:
Maybe that was a subject of last night's discussions?JustFloydRoad said:Dazzler21 said:
Accurate, but for me it's that we're going to finish somewhere bottom half and that could include relegation. All depends on where the actual issue is.JustFloydRoad said: Me coming to terms with the fact Adkins is going to be the Charlton Manager till the end of the season.
If he does better with his own staff why haven’t they brought them in (at least some of them) as maybe what he is lacking is experienced staff members.
At least Thomas was here to see it in the flesh, as on TV you don't get a full understanding of how games are panning out2 -
I don't think anyone can say anything about Roddy without actually knowing what he does at the club. He's not the one taking charge on matchday and telling the players to hoof it long to Stockley and not defend very well. Yes the recruitment was lackluster up until the last week or so, but the players have had enough time to gel now. And as someone rightly pointed out, the players definitely are not league 1 relegation quality2
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That's happening in every minute he delays what should be a very straight forward football decision.peterreeves said:
I really hope TS deals with this soon otherwise he will lose an immense amount of credibility and support.The clock is ticking.2 -
Sandgaurd NEEDS to sack Roddy, Adkins and probably someone else. Get the clear out sorted now.
It will win the fans back. It will prove ambition.
He can't just do nothing.
Give the job to Jackson. This season is now already lower/midtable at best.
We have to aim for a 2022/23 promotion.
Jackson is realistic. He is honest and down to earth.
He's played in the premier League. He is motivated and has a long term historic connection with Charlton. He knows the club inside out.
He is not tactically inept1
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