Adkins and unfortunately a tarnished by association Jackson must go. An god forbid the Curbs gang , get their way, For me ask Chris Powell to take a contract to keep us up, with this shit squad, and re- evaluate at end of season.
I’ve stolen this from Twitter as I completely agree with the point made
“Don't really get this 'nice guy' thing. From Day 1 he's seemed aloof and self-regarding to me, and lacking any real interest in the club. Surprised how many people seem to mistake a positive attitude for an engaging one”
I’ve hated his attitude since the results fell off a cliff. Refusing to go to the fans, constant excuses, hiding from the truth and no apologies to the paying & traveling fans… it’s all an act to me, his persona and the cracks have been showing for a while.
I was firmly against his appointment from day one I called that he was ‘Yesterday’s Man’ but it has to be ended now.
We need a fresh young, modern manager to just start again. Not bothered about a nameZ would love Ryan Lowe but the sad fact is he wouldn’t even join us now.
This all day long and have felt exactly the same.
Nigel 'insert club name here' Adkins. Whenever he talks about the club he's at it's always a cut and paste job. I get the strong impression that he has no real interest in delving into the fabric of the club. Dowie was the same. Robinson too.I suppose not many managers do. But the ones that don't tend not too last too long at this particular football club.
Absolutely 100% correct.
Adkins is a bullshitter and a bluffer, one whose bluff had been plain to see from his last three failed jobs, sorry, forgot that he did an incredible job keeping Hull in the Championship, surprised Real Madrid didn’t come in for him after that.
As Depeche Mode said back in the 1980s, “Confidence taken in….by a suntan and a grin.”
Plenty of folks on here got fooled, that’s for sure.
This is gold
I thought the general idea of supporting a football club, was
that you support the team including the manager, up until the point you have no
confidence in them using an opinion based on fact.
It’s one thing saying you had had a gut feeling he was going
to be a disaster, but to come on here now, digging out fellow supporters for
getting “fooled”, claiming that you knew that it was going to turn out exactly
how it has purely using the logic that he weren't Charlton enough, is a bit
unique imo (sure it was you who posted something along the lines when he was
appointed, if not my apologies).
Personally speaking, I’d heard of NA before but didn’t know
much about him. So, after considering the position we were in at the time
(league / financial etc.), on balance thought he was worth a punt. Don’t get me
wrong though, if we were a good Championship side appointing him, I’d have
probably been a bit more doubtful about it.
2 Questions for those who knew all along that he was going
to be shit –
1/ What was it that gave you the knowledge it was going to
be a disaster?
2/ Using your spidey senses, who should TS appoint to guarantee
success going forward?
Nb – I Hope the spelling, grammar and layout is okay.
Adkins and unfortunately a tarnished by association Jackson must go. An god forbid the Curbs gang , get their way, For me ask Chris Powell to take a contract to keep us up, with this shit squad, and re- evaluate at end of season.
Hey Chris, have we got an offer for you! You’ll be needing to drop your long-term roles at Spurs and England to come take a temp role for us in the L1 relegation zone. If you do well we’ll consider giving you the gig. How about it?
I said before the international break that Adkins had to use that two weeks to absolutely drill his system and methods into our best XI.
He failed.
Look up in Scotland where Postecoglou, a seriously talented coach, apparently drilled his system relentlessly into his Celtic team over the break and they apparently put on their best performance of the season today, winning 2-0 at Motherwell.
I knew from the start Adkins was a busted flush, that’s why he was out the game for two seasons, but no, apparently his taking Hull to Championship safety, having failed spectacularly at Sheffield United and Reading, made him the next Juergen Klopp according to some of the clowns on here.
Sandgaard needs to appoint a proper football CEO to run the place, then we might get somewhere, right now we are an absolute shambles.
Who called him the next Juergen Klopp? I don't remember anyone saying that.
Go back and look at the thread when he was appointed, absolute cringe fest.
I'll leave you to provide the link of all the fans calling him the next Juergen Klopp because I'm 99% confident no one did.
Some thought he may do well but Klopp, you're making it up.
Find the link yourself, I am not your researcher.
If you can find the energy to locate it and read it then you'll see the reaction was mostly positive on the back of what he did at Southampton ten years ago.
I am obviously being sarcastic on the comparison to Klopp but the point stands that many people were going well over the top for a bloke that had failed very badly indeed in his last three jobs and had been out of work for two years.
TS should follow the example of the St Louis Cardinals baseball team, that just fired their manager for “philosophical differences”. ”Nigel, I’m really sorry but we have to part ways. You see we’re existentialists and you’re a Kant”.
Who would you have right now between Nigel Adkins and currently available Neil Harris?
Neither. I would keep on interviewing
I think I’d give Ainsworth the job. Done well at Wycombe on little to no money, unlucky to get relegated last season, has Wycombe back up there again, play good football.
Got a feeling TS would like him but I can't put my finger on why.
With JJ as his No2:
Yea can see Thommy buying into that 🙈
In fact fuck it, lets get Andy in as assistant too:
So there’s your band Thomas, now we’ve sorted that perhaps we could dabble with some football ownership? 😉
Same guitar for all 3? I assume Roland sold the strings, but rented Tahnoon the body so he could pretend he owned the whole thing, only for Southall to borrow it without permission, charging the club to have it maintained and £25,0000 for a one hour guitar lesson given to him by Bassini?
I’ve stolen this from Twitter as I completely agree with the point made
“Don't really get this 'nice guy' thing. From Day 1 he's seemed aloof and self-regarding to me, and lacking any real interest in the club. Surprised how many people seem to mistake a positive attitude for an engaging one”
I’ve hated his attitude since the results fell off a cliff. Refusing to go to the fans, constant excuses, hiding from the truth and no apologies to the paying & traveling fans… it’s all an act to me, his persona and the cracks have been showing for a while.
I was firmly against his appointment from day one I called that he was ‘Yesterday’s Man’ but it has to be ended now.
We need a fresh young, modern manager to just start again. Not bothered about a nameZ would love Ryan Lowe but the sad fact is he wouldn’t even join us now.
This all day long and have felt exactly the same.
Nigel 'insert club name here' Adkins. Whenever he talks about the club he's at it's always a cut and paste job. I get the strong impression that he has no real interest in delving into the fabric of the club. Dowie was the same. Robinson too.I suppose not many managers do. But the ones that don't tend not too last too long at this particular football club.
Absolutely 100% correct.
Adkins is a bullshitter and a bluffer, one whose bluff had been plain to see from his last three failed jobs, sorry, forgot that he did an incredible job keeping Hull in the Championship, surprised Real Madrid didn’t come in for him after that.
As Depeche Mode said back in the 1980s, “Confidence taken in….by a suntan and a grin.”
Plenty of folks on here got fooled, that’s for sure.
This is gold
I thought the general idea of supporting a football club, was
that you support the team including the manager, up until the point you have no
confidence in them using an opinion based on fact.
It’s one thing saying you had had a gut feeling he was going
to be a disaster, but to come on here now, digging out fellow supporters for
getting “fooled”, claiming that you knew that it was going to turn out exactly
how it has purely using the logic that he weren't Charlton enough, is a bit
unique imo (sure it was you who posted something along the lines when he was
appointed, if not my apologies).
Personally speaking, I’d heard of NA before but didn’t know
much about him. So, after considering the position we were in at the time
(league / financial etc.), on balance thought he was worth a punt. Don’t get me
wrong though, if we were a good Championship side appointing him, I’d have
probably been a bit more doubtful about it.
2 Questions for those who knew all along that he was going
to be shit –
1/ What was it that gave you the knowledge it was going to
be a disaster?
2/ Using your spidey senses, who should TS appoint to guarantee
success going forward?
Nb – I Hope the spelling, grammar and layout is okay.
As I said at the time it was absolutely obvious that Adkins was a busted flush, or yesterday's man as others have also called him, based on his recent managerial record.
He did very well between 2006-2012, nobody can take that success away from him and it was an exceptional achievement to do what he did at Scunthorpe and Saints.
However, since leaving Saints he got sacked after abysmal reigns at Reading and Sheffield United and then produced a win ratio of 33.3% at Hull whom he lead to the glories of mid-table Championship security.
What, based on that record from 2012-2021, would suggest that he was the right man to take over at Charlton in League One?
We were backing the bloke based on what he had achieved ten years ago, ten years ago!
His combined winning average since leaving Southampton is 38%, that's nowhere near where you need it to be if you want to getting promoted, not even close and basically gets you mid-table at best.
The question that Sandgaard should have been asking is, "This bloke has failed at his last three clubs, why is it going to be any different here? What's he going to do now that he wasn't doing in those last three jobs?"
I would have loved him to have succeeded and proved me wrong but we have won two out of twelve games, that's relegation form and only a fool would argue that he was the right appointment now.
As for who succeeds him, well, there are no guarantees on anybody, but history is our absolute best guide to the future and we have always succeeded when promoting from within our own ranks, or from our own people.
Curbishley, Powell and Bowyer being the best examples - Pardew was Palace so we can't include him.
I am just not sure about Jackson and Euell, they have been on the scene for a long time and the players need a fresh face and voice, not more of the same.
I think we need root and branch reform of the whole footballing side of the club, we are miles off track, so I'd love to see Curbishley come back as Director of Football, overseeing our recruitment and player development, working alongside a young coach with a Charlton background, maybe that is Jackson/Euell, I don't know.
What I do know is that the last thing the club needs is another outsider like Robinson or Adkins that talks a good game but doesn't know the club and doesn't deliver.
I’ve stolen this from Twitter as I completely agree with the point made
“Don't really get this 'nice guy' thing. From Day 1 he's seemed aloof and self-regarding to me, and lacking any real interest in the club. Surprised how many people seem to mistake a positive attitude for an engaging one”
I’ve hated his attitude since the results fell off a cliff. Refusing to go to the fans, constant excuses, hiding from the truth and no apologies to the paying & traveling fans… it’s all an act to me, his persona and the cracks have been showing for a while.
I was firmly against his appointment from day one I called that he was ‘Yesterday’s Man’ but it has to be ended now.
We need a fresh young, modern manager to just start again. Not bothered about a nameZ would love Ryan Lowe but the sad fact is he wouldn’t even join us now.
This all day long and have felt exactly the same.
Nigel 'insert club name here' Adkins. Whenever he talks about the club he's at it's always a cut and paste job. I get the strong impression that he has no real interest in delving into the fabric of the club. Dowie was the same. Robinson too.I suppose not many managers do. But the ones that don't tend not too last too long at this particular football club.
Absolutely 100% correct.
Adkins is a bullshitter and a bluffer, one whose bluff had been plain to see from his last three failed jobs, sorry, forgot that he did an incredible job keeping Hull in the Championship, surprised Real Madrid didn’t come in for him after that.
As Depeche Mode said back in the 1980s, “Confidence taken in….by a suntan and a grin.”
Plenty of folks on here got fooled, that’s for sure.
This is gold
I thought the general idea of supporting a football club, was
that you support the team including the manager, up until the point you have no
confidence in them using an opinion based on fact.
It’s one thing saying you had had a gut feeling he was going
to be a disaster, but to come on here now, digging out fellow supporters for
getting “fooled”, claiming that you knew that it was going to turn out exactly
how it has purely using the logic that he weren't Charlton enough, is a bit
unique imo (sure it was you who posted something along the lines when he was
appointed, if not my apologies).
Personally speaking, I’d heard of NA before but didn’t know
much about him. So, after considering the position we were in at the time
(league / financial etc.), on balance thought he was worth a punt. Don’t get me
wrong though, if we were a good Championship side appointing him, I’d have
probably been a bit more doubtful about it.
2 Questions for those who knew all along that he was going
to be shit –
1/ What was it that gave you the knowledge it was going to
be a disaster?
2/ Using your spidey senses, who should TS appoint to guarantee
success going forward?
Nb – I Hope the spelling, grammar and layout is okay.
As I said at the time it was absolutely obvious that Adkins was a busted flush, or yesterday's man as others have also called him, based on his recent managerial record.
He did very well between 2006-2012, nobody can take that success away from him and it was an exceptional achievement to do what he did at Scunthorpe and Saints.
However, since leaving Saints he got sacked after abysmal reigns at Reading and Sheffield United and then produced a win ratio of 33.3% at Hull whom he lead to the glories of mid-table Championship security.
What, based on that record from 2012-2021, would suggest that he was the right man to take over at Charlton in League One?
We were backing the bloke based on what he had achieved ten years ago, ten years ago!
His combined winning average since leaving Southampton is 38%, that's nowhere near where you need it to be if you want to getting promoted, not even close and basically gets you mid-table at best.
The question that Sandgaard should have been asking is, "This bloke has failed at his last three clubs, why is it going to be any different here? What's he going to do now that he wasn't doing in those last three jobs?"
I would have loved him to have succeeded and proved me wrong but we have won two out of twelve games, that's relegation form and only a fool would argue that he was the right appointment now.
As for who succeeds him, well, there are no guarantees on anybody, but history is our absolute best guide to the future and we have always succeeded when promoting from within our own ranks, or from our own people.
Curbishley, Powell and Bowyer being the best examples - Pardew was Palace so we can't include him.
I am just not sure about Jackson and Euell, they have been on the scene for a long time and the players need a fresh face and voice, not more of the same.
I think we need root and branch reform of the whole footballing side of the club, we are miles off track, so I'd love to see Curbishley come back as Director of Football, overseeing our recruitment and player development, working alongside a young coach with a Charlton background, maybe that is Jackson/Euell, I don't know.
What I do know is that the last thing the club needs is another outsider like Robinson or Adkins that talks a good game but doesn't know the club and doesn't deliver.
Did Adkins fail in those jobs or just not have success?
Sheffield United is the outlier because they finished so low but they could have got in the play offs with 2 games to go. I would say that's a minor fail and without watching all there games it could be down to luck, injuries etc etc.
Par is what I would expect under Adkins, not miracles. He achieved our par more often than Bowyer did last season. Adkins has never had a season like the one we are having now before. Why?
Has he changed? Has football changed? Have people changed?
Has Nigel Adkins, as of today, failed? Yes of course. Will just sacking him achieve anything? I really don't think so.
I’m not sure getting rid of Adkins will solve the problems either. In my opinion there is too much wrong behind the scenes. It’s been done to death I know but the summer recruitment was far too slow, then players bought in just before, or on, deadline day were far from fit, some of those brought in look inadequate for the job. How much of this is Adkins fault? Not much of it I’d suggest. Players bought in by a four man committee means that he may not have been in favour of a fair few of them but was out voted. He said he wanted his squad, at least the bulk of it, in place for the start of pre season. There is a very good reason for that. It didn’t happen. That isn’t his fault. Then there is the fact he was required to work with JJ and Euell. Most managers have trusted second in commands, men the can rely on, men whose opinion they trust. Hughes and Bowen for example. In Adkins case, Andy Crosby. That didn’t happen. And so on and so on.
I am not saying Adkins hasn’t made mistakes, of course he has, but there is more at play here. Whomever we bring in as replacement things won’t change on the pitch unless things change behind the scenes in my opinion.
Karel Fraeye after twelve games in charge, W 2, D 4, L 6, Pts 10. Nigel Adkins after 12 this season, W 2, D 3, L 7, Pts 9. Can someone pass the laundry basket?
Karel Fraeye after twelve games in charge, W 2, D 4, L 6, Pts 10. Nigel Adkins after 12 this season, W 2, D 3, L 7, Pts 9. Can someone pass the laundry basket?
and in the league above, adkins is doing it in the third tier ffs
Got absolutely nothing to lose letting Jackson and Euell take over temporarily. Not sure I want them full-time but we don't have to make that decision straight away. Nobody stands out but I'd be happy with Alex Neil.
Karel Fraeye after twelve games in charge, W 2, D 4, L 6, Pts 10. Nigel Adkins after 12 this season, W 2, D 3, L 7, Pts 9. Can someone pass the laundry basket?
and in the league above, adkins is doing it in the third tier ffs
Adkins had a little in the bank from last season to be fair. Admittedly all gone now and his time has to be up.
Is there enough "fire in the belly" of our entire management/coaching team? I may be wrong because I don't know them personally, but Adkins, Jackson and Euell, all come across as laid back characters and not the types to go too ballistic. That's fine when everything's going well, but when the chips are down and you need players to dig in and give you 10% more, you're more likely to get that from a Curbs like character in charge. One name that never seems to get a mention is Stevie Brown. The bloke has such a passion for us, and I've been so impressed by his in depth knowledge of the game. Blokes like him and Curbs would simply not accept performances like yesterday.
If he doesn’t go now then TS starts to become the problem. I don’t want protests and I hate how people communicate with him on Twitter, but it’s becoming a big concern that he won’t take action when needed.
There no one out there to take over … that’s why TS won’t do anything rash …. Not seen one name yet that gets you excited
So you're happy with Adkins then?
What’s the point of getting rid when there no one ready better to take over .. your end up in the same position in 4 months time .. Adkins was the right man less then 12 ago , in fact he was the right man fir the job at the start of this season after impressing in the 11 games he had last season .. … tonight Ipswich and Pompey fans are calling for their manager heads .. it’s getting ridiculous managers just not getting time to build a team .. gone are the days a manager gets 5 years or more to do his job .
This is a pathetic answer. How can you say there is no one better? I'm confident there's plenty better. There are 21 better right now just employed in league one.
We're a side in the relegation zone of league one and you seriously think there is no one better out there to manage us. Unless you're Man City, Liverpool or Chelsea there will always be a better manager out there.
I’m not sure getting rid of Adkins will solve the problems either. In my opinion there is too much wrong behind the scenes. It’s been done to death I know but the summer recruitment was far too slow, then players bought in just before, or on, deadline day were far from fit, some of those brought in look inadequate for the job. How much of this is Adkins fault? Not much of it I’d suggest. Players bought in by a four man committee means that he may not have been in favour of a fair few of them but was out voted. He said he wanted his squad, at least the bulk of it, in place for the start of pre season. There is a very good reason for that. It didn’t happen. That isn’t his fault. Then there is the fact he was required to work with JJ and Euell. Most managers have trusted second in commands, men the can rely on, men whose opinion they trust. Hughes and Bowen for example. In Adkins case, Andy Crosby. That didn’t happen. And so on and so on.
I am not saying Adkins hasn’t made mistakes, of course he has, but there is more at play here. Whomever we bring in as replacement things won’t change on the pitch unless things change behind the scenes in my opinion.
We've obviously learned nothing from the dark days of Dowie.
Water under the bridge. But a lot of fans knew the window was shit, and not even up to the standards of a Douchbag window. We signed at the bottom of the barrel players nobody else wanted. I suspect that was a TS decision and NA is now shrugging his shoulders and saying ‘ told you so ‘. Maybe that is why NA is still there ? Maybe he wants his own back room and his own players? NA has been successful more than once in this division, he might be hard to replace in the short term. Whilst I think it might be time for a clear out, I suspect the owner is a bit of a fruitcake , and that is always a problem as we know.
Is there enough "fire in the belly" of our entire management/coaching team? I may be wrong because I don't know them personally, but Adkins, Jackson and Euell, all come across as laid back characters and not the types to go too ballistic. That's fine when everything's going well, but when the chips are down and you need players to dig in and give you 10% more, you're more likely to get that from a Curbs like character in charge. One name that never seems to get a mention is Stevie Brown. The bloke has such a passion for us, and I've been so impressed by his in depth knowledge of the game. Blokes like him and Curbs would simply not accept performances like yesterday.
I'd happily see Brownie in as a defensive coach. Having said that Fortune made a lot of sense last night as well.
I think there's room for Jacko in the club, would be a good mentor for the youngsters.
We need a strong no nonsense character to come in and sort out the wheat from the chaff.
Adkins should have gone after Wycombe, still being here is making this whole situation a lot worse and the reality of 4th Division football gets nearer.
But he is not the only issue and others needs to follow him (Roddy) We are a club in the relegation zone of the 3rd division and yet we have the following
An over elaborate recruitment system in which the manager only seems to play only a part in it. I would be amazed if there was any other teams in this division where the manager had that level of input.
Planning for a category 1 Academy. Only Sunderland in this league have it, and only 7 teams in the league above.
The club is a mess and needs to go back to basics to first stay in this league and then get out of it the right way
He isn't the problem. You might get a "new manager bounce" for a few games.
Thomas has to do one of the following now:
1) back Adkins and give him 100% control 2) sack Adkins and bring in a new manager and give him 100% control
Doing neither will fail.
When did we last have a manager who had 100% control? Bowyer was allowed to get on with it but Driesen and Roland had to approve signings. Powell didn’t choose to sign Alonso and Clarke.
Adkins isn’t the only problem but it’s his job to motivate, coach, choose teams, subs, tactics and ultimately get results. He’s not doing that and even if this is only a lower mid table squad it shouldn’t be a bottom four one.
The only thing that matters is the scoreboard and its awful. It cannot get any worse. We can’t change all the players so the only logical conclusion is for someone else to come in and manage the team.This will hopefully lift the players, give them some confidence and we can climb the table. It really is that simple.
Total clearout now. That means Jackson, Euell and anyone else associated with this shambles of a set up, which lets face it has served the supporter base so badly for many years now.
Personally, I think Jackson is a good option. I know his coaching could be perceived as part of the problem given the performances to date, but I think he could get a response out of the players. He’s close with Pearce I would imagine, who probably has a lot of influence and I have a feeling the players just aren’t happy under NA.
If we go down the route of bringing someone from outside in, the first question is who? All of the so called upcoming managerial talents might look at us and think, yep, biggish club at our level, ex Prem etc, but they might also think, 22nd in League One, big responsibility and quite a bit of pressure. Second question, new managers usually come in with the need to bring in their own players. I don’t think TS will be putting his hand in his pocket in Jan, so it would be a case of getting the best out the bunch here. An outside manager might not want to work in those circumstances or have the ability to turn it round in 34 games. For want of a better depiction, Jackson sits quite nicely in that Venn diagram given all the factors at play and could have a chance of keeping us up.
Personally, I think Jackson is a good option. I know his coaching could be perceived as part of the problem given the performances to date, but I think he could get a response out of the players. He’s close with Pearce I would imagine, who probably has a lot of influence and I have a feeling the players just aren’t happy under NA.
If we go down the route of bringing someone from outside in, the first question is who? All of the so called upcoming managerial talents might look at us and think, yep, biggish club at our level, ex Prem etc, but they might also think, 22nd in League One, big responsibility and quite a bit of pressure. Second question, new managers usually come in with the need to bring in their own players. I don’t think TS will be putting his hand in his pocket in Jan, so it would be a case of getting the best out the bunch here. An outside manager might not want to work in those circumstances or have the ability to turn it round in 34 games. For want of a better depiction, Jackson sits quite nicely in that Venn diagram given all the factors at play and could have a chance of keeping us up.
TS talked about making signings in January only a few weeks ago.
Comments
I thought the general idea of supporting a football club, was that you support the team including the manager, up until the point you have no confidence in them using an opinion based on fact.
It’s one thing saying you had had a gut feeling he was going to be a disaster, but to come on here now, digging out fellow supporters for getting “fooled”, claiming that you knew that it was going to turn out exactly how it has purely using the logic that he weren't Charlton enough, is a bit unique imo (sure it was you who posted something along the lines when he was appointed, if not my apologies).
Personally speaking, I’d heard of NA before but didn’t know much about him. So, after considering the position we were in at the time (league / financial etc.), on balance thought he was worth a punt. Don’t get me wrong though, if we were a good Championship side appointing him, I’d have probably been a bit more doubtful about it.
2 Questions for those who knew all along that he was going to be shit –
1/ What was it that gave you the knowledge it was going to be a disaster?
2/ Using your spidey senses, who should TS appoint to guarantee success going forward?
Nb – I Hope the spelling, grammar and layout is okay.
If you can find the energy to locate it and read it then you'll see the reaction was mostly positive on the back of what he did at Southampton ten years ago.
I am obviously being sarcastic on the comparison to Klopp but the point stands that many people were going well over the top for a bloke that had failed very badly indeed in his last three jobs and had been out of work for two years.
”Nigel, I’m really sorry but we have to part ways. You see we’re existentialists and you’re a Kant”.
I assume Roland sold the strings, but rented Tahnoon the body so he could pretend he owned the whole thing, only for Southall to borrow it without permission, charging the club to have it maintained and £25,0000 for a one hour guitar lesson given to him by Bassini?
He isn't the problem. You might get a "new manager bounce" for a few games.
Thomas has to do one of the following now:
1) back Adkins and give him 100% control
2) sack Adkins and bring in a new manager and give him 100% control
Doing neither will fail.
He did very well between 2006-2012, nobody can take that success away from him and it was an exceptional achievement to do what he did at Scunthorpe and Saints.
However, since leaving Saints he got sacked after abysmal reigns at Reading and Sheffield United and then produced a win ratio of 33.3% at Hull whom he lead to the glories of mid-table Championship security.
What, based on that record from 2012-2021, would suggest that he was the right man to take over at Charlton in League One?
We were backing the bloke based on what he had achieved ten years ago, ten years ago!
His combined winning average since leaving Southampton is 38%, that's nowhere near where you need it to be if you want to getting promoted, not even close and basically gets you mid-table at best.
The question that Sandgaard should have been asking is, "This bloke has failed at his last three clubs, why is it going to be any different here? What's he going to do now that he wasn't doing in those last three jobs?"
I would have loved him to have succeeded and proved me wrong but we have won two out of twelve games, that's relegation form and only a fool would argue that he was the right appointment now.
As for who succeeds him, well, there are no guarantees on anybody, but history is our absolute best guide to the future and we have always succeeded when promoting from within our own ranks, or from our own people.
Curbishley, Powell and Bowyer being the best examples - Pardew was Palace so we can't include him.
I am just not sure about Jackson and Euell, they have been on the scene for a long time and the players need a fresh face and voice, not more of the same.
I think we need root and branch reform of the whole footballing side of the club, we are miles off track, so I'd love to see Curbishley come back as Director of Football, overseeing our recruitment and player development, working alongside a young coach with a Charlton background, maybe that is Jackson/Euell, I don't know.
What I do know is that the last thing the club needs is another outsider like Robinson or Adkins that talks a good game but doesn't know the club and doesn't deliver.
Sheffield United is the outlier because they finished so low but they could have got in the play offs with 2 games to go. I would say that's a minor fail and without watching all there games it could be down to luck, injuries etc etc.
Par is what I would expect under Adkins, not miracles. He achieved our par more often than Bowyer did last season. Adkins has never had a season like the one we are having now before. Why?
Has he changed? Has football changed? Have people changed?
Has Nigel Adkins, as of today, failed? Yes of course. Will just sacking him achieve anything? I really don't think so.
I am not saying Adkins hasn’t made mistakes, of course he has, but there is more at play here. Whomever we bring in as replacement things won’t change on the pitch unless things change behind the scenes in my opinion.
Karel Fraeye after twelve games in charge, W 2, D 4, L 6, Pts 10. Nigel Adkins after 12 this season, W 2, D 3, L 7, Pts 9. Can someone pass the laundry basket?
I may be wrong because I don't know them personally, but Adkins, Jackson and Euell, all come across as laid back characters and not the types to go too ballistic.
That's fine when everything's going well, but when the chips are down and you need players to dig in and give you 10% more, you're more likely to get that from a Curbs like character in charge.
One name that never seems to get a mention is Stevie Brown. The bloke has such a passion for us, and I've been so impressed by his in depth knowledge of the game.
Blokes like him and Curbs would simply not accept performances like yesterday.
We're a side in the relegation zone of league one and you seriously think there is no one better out there to manage us. Unless you're Man City, Liverpool or Chelsea there will always be a better manager out there.
We signed at the bottom of the barrel players nobody else wanted. I suspect that was a TS decision and NA is now shrugging his shoulders and saying ‘ told you so ‘. Maybe that is why NA is still there ? Maybe he wants his own back room and his own players? NA has been successful more than once in this division, he might be hard to replace in the short term. Whilst I think it might be time for a clear out, I suspect the owner is a bit of a fruitcake , and that is always a problem as we know.
But he is not the only issue and others needs to follow him (Roddy) We are a club in the relegation zone of the 3rd division and yet we have the following
An over elaborate recruitment system in which the manager only seems to play only a part in it. I would be amazed if there was any other teams in this division where the manager had that level of input.
Planning for a category 1 Academy. Only Sunderland in this league have it, and only 7 teams in the league above.
The club is a mess and needs to go back to basics to first stay in this league and then get out of it the right way
Adkins isn’t the only problem but it’s his job to motivate, coach, choose teams, subs, tactics and ultimately get results. He’s not doing that and even if this is only a lower mid table squad it shouldn’t be a bottom four one.
We can’t change all the players so the only logical conclusion is for someone else to come in and manage the team.This will hopefully lift the players, give them some confidence and we can climb the table. It really is that simple.
But in fairness to him, if you have a look at our most successful managers in recent times he's clearly from the same mould.
He might be spectacularly good. He might be catastrophically bad. But he fits the bill
If we go down the route of bringing someone from outside in, the first question is who? All of the so called upcoming managerial talents might look at us and think, yep, biggish club at our level, ex Prem etc, but they might also think, 22nd in League One, big responsibility and quite a bit of pressure. Second question, new managers usually come in with the need to bring in their own players. I don’t think TS will be putting his hand in his pocket in Jan, so it would be a case of getting the best out the bunch here. An outside manager might not want to work in those circumstances or have the ability to turn it round in 34 games. For want of a better depiction, Jackson sits quite nicely in that Venn diagram given all the factors at play and could have a chance of keeping us up.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/thomas-sandgaard-outlines-early-thoughts-on-how-january-transfer-window-might-look-for-charlton-athletic/