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State of 'fans' during International tournaments
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I suppose a big issue was capacity restrictions meant there would be a fair number of empty seats. I do wonder how much safer it was having a 70k capacity over the usual 90k. Everybody seemed pretty close to each other as it was.J BLOCK said:Gave a mate of mine a ticket who’s a city fan from Manchester. Told me he knew of loads of Manchester lads coming down to jib in0 -
Bunk in, no ticket.gilbertfilbert said:
What does ‘jib in’ mean?J BLOCK said:Gave a mate of mine a ticket who’s a city fan from Manchester. Told me he knew of loads of Manchester lads coming down to jib in0 -
Thing I can’t get my head around is, if this was planned (jib in), why wasn’t it part of the policing plan/operation?
If there was ever any hint of fans forcing their way in at any game I organised the policing for there was always a pre planned way of dealing with it. I can’t believe they didn’t have intelligence to suggest it was a possibility.
Theres a lot of stuff that doesn’t add up here.
And don’t get me started about which eejit allowed heras fencing as a deterrent, Christ!2 -
Inter-city jibbers - ‘famous’ Man U firm from yesteryear but the practice remains. I think the motto is ‘to pay is to fail’
A lot harder in these days of technology, modern grounds and cctv. Train fares the other obvious one. If all r oh se fails, then use brute force clearly.
With the amount of camera footage and cctv I would expect many could be caught.0 -
Looking at some of the videos, i just don't understand the joy of fans creating a circle and lobbing bottles cans and cones at each other?! At Wembley way or Piccadilly circus. And this was before the game.
Am i missing something?0 -
Yes.2121 said:Looking at some of the videos, i just don't understand the joy of fans creating a circle and lobbing bottles cans and cones at each other?! At Wembley way or Piccadilly circus. And this was before the game.
Am i missing something?0 -
Having seen a few live games in Italy, I can say I have seen some violent scenes there although it was some years ago.0
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Kevin Nolan wrote an article years ago in Voice of Valley detailing how he used to bunk into different grounds around the country (long before he became a writer)1
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I just dont get the mindset of the people smashing stuff up, throwing bottles and fighting. It's a football tournament and your country has got to the final. Just enjoy the experience without getting off your face acting like a complete arsehole.
My stepdaughter went to the Crayford Arms for the semi-final game and showed me a video of when Kane scored. The place got wrecked. Chairs flying around and tables getting smashed. That's not celebrating a goal, that's just being a bunch of wankers.24 -
Social media has made it worse as wankers can now film themselves being wankers and show it to other wankers.AllHailTheHen said:I just dont get the mindset of the people smashing stuff up, throwing bottles and fighting. It's a football tournament and your country has got to the final. Just enjoy the experience without getting off your face acting like a complete arsehole.
My stepdaughter went to the Crayford Arms for the semi-final game and showed me a video of when Kane scored. The place got wrecked. Chairs flying around and tables getting smashed. That's not celebrating a goal, that's just being a bunch of wankers.22 -
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Interesting etymology I think. To me, blagging in means being a bit clever, saying you are a journalist on a deadline or carrying a phone cable you have picked up and saying it is for Gary Lineker's microphone and you have to get in now or it will be Countryfile on BBC1. Whereas the tossers last night are just steaming in or forcing someone to get them in on 'their' turn on the gate. Bunking in is climbing over a wall or getting a mate to let you in the fire exit.Henry Irving said:
bunk in as well would have said in the old days.gilbertfilbert said:
What does ‘jib in’ mean?J BLOCK said:Gave a mate of mine a ticket who’s a city fan from Manchester. Told me he knew of loads of Manchester lads coming down to jib in
Gain entry without paying or having a ticket, often by force.
Or as I call it blagging : - )
Hope that helps.0 -
Using violence and threats to get in as you say is just the work of tossersBrentfordAddick said:
Interesting etymology I think. To me, blagging in means being a bit clever, saying you are a journalist on a deadline or carrying a phone cable you have picked up and saying it is for Gary Lineker's microphone and you have to get in now or it will be Countryfile on BBC1. Whereas the tossers last night are just steaming in or forcing someone to get them in on 'their' turn on the gate. Bunking in is climbing over a wall or getting a mate to let you in the fire exit.Henry Irving said:
bunk in as well would have said in the old days.gilbertfilbert said:
What does ‘jib in’ mean?J BLOCK said:Gave a mate of mine a ticket who’s a city fan from Manchester. Told me he knew of loads of Manchester lads coming down to jib in
Gain entry without paying or having a ticket, often by force.
Or as I call it blagging : - )
Hope that helps.0 -
Ben Foster took his son to the game and has posted a vlog of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwNJruGaIo8
Pretty clear he was a bit worried for his boys safety walking in.
Games like this should be so enjoyable. As a football fan I should have been desperate to go yesterday and it's pretty sad that I had no interest because certain people were always bound to make it a shit experience3 -
But how can you bunk (as I call it) into a game in an all seater stadium that sells out? Chances are anywhere you try to sit someone will turn up and say its theirs?SouthWest_Addicks said:
As the media are so London centric, you do not hear these things but apparently it is common at every United game they play. Spoke to a bloke on the tube who was a united fan who jibed and apparently it's common practice. Happens at every cup final match at Wembley when Liverpool, city, united play but does not get the attention as not England. Easily 80k full yesterday.J BLOCK said:Gave a mate of mine a ticket who’s a city fan from Manchester. Told me he knew of loads of Manchester lads coming down to jib in
I get it can work when there's terracing.0 -
Exactly this. Last night was mob handedBrentfordAddick said:
Interesting etymology I think. To me, blagging in means being a bit clever, saying you are a journalist on a deadline or carrying a phone cable you have picked up and saying it is for Gary Lineker's microphone and you have to get in now or it will be Countryfile on BBC1. Whereas the tossers last night are just steaming in or forcing someone to get them in on 'their' turn on the gate. Bunking in is climbing over a wall or getting a mate to let you in the fire exit.Henry Irving said:
bunk in as well would have said in the old days.gilbertfilbert said:
What does ‘jib in’ mean?J BLOCK said:Gave a mate of mine a ticket who’s a city fan from Manchester. Told me he knew of loads of Manchester lads coming down to jib in
Gain entry without paying or having a ticket, often by force.
Or as I call it blagging : - )
Hope that helps.
and aggressive. Could see people getting crushed. Not good.0 -
Seeing them slapped all over Wembley is quite comical also, and then cowering when a few have a go at them, a little kid must of been about 5 was petrified - still maintain my stance behave like a cnut and get a dig I have 0 issue with.The_Organiser said:Inter-city jibbers - ‘famous’ Man U firm from yesteryear but the practice remains. I think the motto is ‘to pay is to fail’
A lot harder in these days of technology, modern grounds and cctv. Train fares the other obvious one. If all r oh se fails, then use brute force clearly.
With the amount of camera footage and cctv I would expect many could be caught.0 -
Being out in the town centre & also seeing all the similar scenes around the country, it's no wonder England football fans are ridiculed & disliked around the world.
I love my football & I'm a huge England fan, but the older I get, the more embarrassing & cringy it feels to watch how these morons behave.7 -
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I agree.BrentfordAddick said:
Interesting etymology I think. To me, blagging in means being a bit clever, saying you are a journalist on a deadline or carrying a phone cable you have picked up and saying it is for Gary Lineker's microphone and you have to get in now or it will be Countryfile on BBC1. Whereas the tossers last night are just steaming in or forcing someone to get them in on 'their' turn on the gate. Bunking in is climbing over a wall or getting a mate to let you in the fire exit.Henry Irving said:
bunk in as well would have said in the old days.gilbertfilbert said:
What does ‘jib in’ mean?J BLOCK said:Gave a mate of mine a ticket who’s a city fan from Manchester. Told me he knew of loads of Manchester lads coming down to jib in
Gain entry without paying or having a ticket, often by force.
Or as I call it blagging : - )
Hope that helps.0 -
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Same united fans that crush the charlton stewards then0
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Silly comment from somebody who does not know me.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
No. He's too pissed to notice. :-)EugenesAxe said:
You’ve never noticed that the police spend most of their weekends arresting drunks?ElfsborgAddick said:
I didn't realise our cities were policed every weekend because of people misbehaving through drink.Croydon said:
No one is asking for it to be banned. You say people round the world do it, but what city centres have you been to abroad that need to be policed like ours every weekend? Only other places that come close, are the tourist destinations we ruin every summer.SporadicAddick said:EugenesAxe said:
Absolutely, so why isn’t something being done about it?Croydon said:Henry's post is bang on. This country has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol.
What are your thoughts on what should be done? Alcohol is a legal depressant. It is enjoyed responsibly by 99% of people that consume it. So it will never be prohibited. You could make it more expensive through taxation, but that would penalise the law abiding majority who enjoy it (and it has limited impact on those who its intended to affect, those with a dependency). You could educate about the impact of alcohol - that's pretty much an ongoing thing.
The reality is, in England and around the world, people get drunk and act stupidly. It was ever thus. The answer is ultimately in personal responsibility and a consideration of others unless you want o live in a police state or have a para military police force that goes in first and asks questions later.4 -
"Greater Manchester police are investigating after racist tweets were allegedly posted by an estate agent staff member, following England's Euro 2020 final loss.
Savills, began its own investigation after the posts were made just after 11pm on Sunday 11 July. It has now suspended the member of staff whose account suggested they worked in the Manchester area, pending the company's findings.
Savills said it had "zero tolerance to any form of racism and racial discrimination and is appalled by the racist comments in these tweets."
It has now referred the matter to Greater Manchester Police after the staff member claimed his Twitter profile had been taken over by a third party.
The tweets referred to three England players and another to domestic violence in the wake of the team losing."
"Rashford's mural in Withington has been defaced less than an hour after the final whistle too.
Police say they are now treating the graffiti as a racist incident - slammed it as "disgraceful behaviour", adding it will "absolutely not be tolerated"."
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That does not happen. I do not see the police in Bromley roaming the streets and waiting outside pubs to close at 11pm.EugenesAxe said:
You’ve never noticed that the police spend most of their weekends arresting drunks?ElfsborgAddick said:
I didn't realise our cities were policed every weekend because of people misbehaving through drink.Croydon said:
No one is asking for it to be banned. You say people round the world do it, but what city centres have you been to abroad that need to be policed like ours every weekend? Only other places that come close, are the tourist destinations we ruin every summer.SporadicAddick said:EugenesAxe said:
Absolutely, so why isn’t something being done about it?Croydon said:Henry's post is bang on. This country has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol.
What are your thoughts on what should be done? Alcohol is a legal depressant. It is enjoyed responsibly by 99% of people that consume it. So it will never be prohibited. You could make it more expensive through taxation, but that would penalise the law abiding majority who enjoy it (and it has limited impact on those who its intended to affect, those with a dependency). You could educate about the impact of alcohol - that's pretty much an ongoing thing.
The reality is, in England and around the world, people get drunk and act stupidly. It was ever thus. The answer is ultimately in personal responsibility and a consideration of others unless you want o live in a police state or have a para military police force that goes in first and asks questions later.2 -
I’ve been to Amsterdam on a weekend when Ajax won the championship. The fans went on a riot in the city centre and the old bill had more water cannon than Boris could shake a stick at. One of the most surreal things I have ever seen was a water cannon going over one of the bridges and smoke bombs going off as you try and find shelter. Can’t imagine the sort of carnage that would have entailed a victory last night.SporadicAddick said:
I edited my original answer as thought it was a bit condescending....se9addick said:
Seriously though, where else has the same shenanigans as you get in UK city centres at the weekend?SporadicAddick said:
You might need to travel a bit more....Croydon said:
No one is asking for it to be banned. You say people round the world do it, but what city centres have you been to abroad that need to be policed like ours every weekend? Only other places that come close, are the tourist destinations we ruin every summer.SporadicAddick said:EugenesAxe said:
Absolutely, so why isn’t something being done about it?Croydon said:Henry's post is bang on. This country has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol.
What are your thoughts on what should be done? Alcohol is a legal depressant. It is enjoyed responsibly by 99% of people that consume it. So it will never be prohibited. You could make it more expensive through taxation, but that would penalise the law abiding majority who enjoy it (and it has limited impact on those who its intended to affect, those with a dependency). You could educate about the impact of alcohol - that's pretty much an ongoing thing.
The reality is, in England and around the world, people get drunk and act stupidly. It was ever thus. The answer is ultimately in personal responsibility and a consideration of others unless you want o live in a police state or have a para military police force that goes in first and asks questions later.
Wherever I have seen large groups of young people that have had a beer. New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Turin, Lisbon, Paris, Moscow, St Petersburg, Helsinki, Copenhagen, Munich, Berlin etc. etc (plus of course Edinburgh, Glasgow, Cardif, Dublin etc etc). Admittedly different atmospheres in each, with different policing approaches, but lets not think that in every major city around the world the police put their feet up on a Friday night because everyone is enjoying a cafe culture and quietly and peacefully making their way home. Alcohol doesn't just affect English people...
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How thick are these peopleSELR_addicks said:"Greater Manchester police are investigating after racist tweets were allegedly posted by an estate agent staff member, following England's Euro 2020 final loss.Savills, began its own investigation after the posts were made just after 11pm on Sunday 11 July. It has now suspended the member of staff whose account suggested they worked in the Manchester area, pending the company's findings.
Savills said it had "zero tolerance to any form of racism and racial discrimination and is appalled by the racist comments in these tweets."
It has now referred the matter to Greater Manchester Police after the staff member claimed his Twitter profile had been taken over by a third party.
The tweets referred to three England players and another to domestic violence in the wake of the team losing."
"Rashford's mural in Withington has been defaced less than an hour after the final whistle too.
Police say they are now treating the graffiti as a racist incident - slammed it as "disgraceful behaviour", adding it will "absolutely not be tolerated"."
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Well, not when you were in uniform....:-)KBslittlesis said:
I’m glad I’m not the only one.gilbertfilbert said:
What does ‘jib in’ mean?J BLOCK said:Gave a mate of mine a ticket who’s a city fan from Manchester. Told me he knew of loads of Manchester lads coming down to jib in
Genuinely never heard this expression before.
It used to be ‘bunking in’ in my day (not that I ever did it you understand).2 -
They were probably West Ham.1StevieG said:
I’ve been to Amsterdam on a weekend when Ajax won the championship. The fans went on a riot in the city centre and the old bill had more water cannon than Boris could shake a stick at. One of the most surreal things I have ever seen was a water cannon going over one of the bridges and smoke bombs going off as you try and find shelter. Can’t imagine the sort of carnage that would have entailed a victory last night.SporadicAddick said:
I edited my original answer as thought it was a bit condescending....se9addick said:
Seriously though, where else has the same shenanigans as you get in UK city centres at the weekend?SporadicAddick said:
You might need to travel a bit more....Croydon said:
No one is asking for it to be banned. You say people round the world do it, but what city centres have you been to abroad that need to be policed like ours every weekend? Only other places that come close, are the tourist destinations we ruin every summer.SporadicAddick said:EugenesAxe said:
Absolutely, so why isn’t something being done about it?Croydon said:Henry's post is bang on. This country has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol.
What are your thoughts on what should be done? Alcohol is a legal depressant. It is enjoyed responsibly by 99% of people that consume it. So it will never be prohibited. You could make it more expensive through taxation, but that would penalise the law abiding majority who enjoy it (and it has limited impact on those who its intended to affect, those with a dependency). You could educate about the impact of alcohol - that's pretty much an ongoing thing.
The reality is, in England and around the world, people get drunk and act stupidly. It was ever thus. The answer is ultimately in personal responsibility and a consideration of others unless you want o live in a police state or have a para military police force that goes in first and asks questions later.
Wherever I have seen large groups of young people that have had a beer. New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Turin, Lisbon, Paris, Moscow, St Petersburg, Helsinki, Copenhagen, Munich, Berlin etc. etc (plus of course Edinburgh, Glasgow, Cardif, Dublin etc etc). Admittedly different atmospheres in each, with different policing approaches, but lets not think that in every major city around the world the police put their feet up on a Friday night because everyone is enjoying a cafe culture and quietly and peacefully making their way home. Alcohol doesn't just affect English people...1 -
Really don’t understand what is racist about writing ‘shite’ on the mural, unless I have missed something else that has been written?SELR_addicks said:"Greater Manchester police are investigating after racist tweets were allegedly posted by an estate agent staff member, following England's Euro 2020 final loss.Savills, began its own investigation after the posts were made just after 11pm on Sunday 11 July. It has now suspended the member of staff whose account suggested they worked in the Manchester area, pending the company's findings.
Savills said it had "zero tolerance to any form of racism and racial discrimination and is appalled by the racist comments in these tweets."
It has now referred the matter to Greater Manchester Police after the staff member claimed his Twitter profile had been taken over by a third party.
The tweets referred to three England players and another to domestic violence in the wake of the team losing."
"Rashford's mural in Withington has been defaced less than an hour after the final whistle too.
Police say they are now treating the graffiti as a racist incident - slammed it as "disgraceful behaviour", adding it will "absolutely not be tolerated"."
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On a side note, a reactionary thing to say to this (and I have already seen it said by a few people that I consider... Intellectually troubled) is "they should lose their job" as some sort of punishment, but then what? Do we then pay for them on the dole for the rest of their lives as they now must not be employed?ValleyGary said:
How thick are these peopleSELR_addicks said:"Greater Manchester police are investigating after racist tweets were allegedly posted by an estate agent staff member, following England's Euro 2020 final loss.Savills, began its own investigation after the posts were made just after 11pm on Sunday 11 July. It has now suspended the member of staff whose account suggested they worked in the Manchester area, pending the company's findings.
Savills said it had "zero tolerance to any form of racism and racial discrimination and is appalled by the racist comments in these tweets."
It has now referred the matter to Greater Manchester Police after the staff member claimed his Twitter profile had been taken over by a third party.
The tweets referred to three England players and another to domestic violence in the wake of the team losing."
"Rashford's mural in Withington has been defaced less than an hour after the final whistle too.
Police say they are now treating the graffiti as a racist incident - slammed it as "disgraceful behaviour", adding it will "absolutely not be tolerated"."
I really struggle with things like that. They need punishing, but what is the appropriate punishment? Obviously any legal routes must be taken, but then what? Make them unemployed for the rest of their life? Make their family disown them?
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