Which it is. We aren't pay the necessary wages to build the team needed.
It appears so now.
I think the statement TS put out when he took over using words like “sustainable” and “long term” are accurate and very much part of the plan. The bit we may of been sold under false pretences is the 5 year plan. Because clearly premier league football is way off under this wage structure.
I think we could build a good team on low wages with the right management team around and of course good youth academy, but it’s not gonna be done in one season, we could be in this league for a while, albeit run like a proper football club again, a painful prospect short term, but it could be argued a necessary one.
More crap & lies then. Adkins quote on Tuesday was ..." he's player that I'm aware of...."
I would bloody hope so if he's been training with us. Or is Adkins blind or just hasn't encountered him on his daily walk around the training pitches.
See, this is what pisses me off. Just say it as it is.
"Yes, the kid has been training with us..."
If you can lie about something so obvious & that can easily be found out, what else are you lying about that can't be.
I know being contrary is your shtick but this is a really hyperbolic reading. "Crap and lies" is just putting as overly a negative spin on things as you accuse Adkins of putting a positive one.
Yes, they are aware of him, they've bought him in and that's as far as it's gone. Gomes was here for a while but they avoided signing him, this could well be the same again.
Which it is. We aren't pay the necessary wages to build the team needed.
It appears so now.
I think the statement TS put out when he took over using words like “sustainable” and “long term” are accurate and very much part of the plan. The bit we may of been sold under false pretences is the 5 year plan. Because clearly premier league football is way off under this wage structure.
I think we could build a good team on low wages with the right management team around and of course good youth academy, but it’s not gonna be done in one season, we could be in this league for a while, albeit run like a proper football club again, a painful prospect short term, but it could be argued a necessary one.
I wouldn't mind being a properly run football team in the Championship and could give a flying fk about being in the prem, give me mid table championship for the next 10 years and I'd bite your arm off. Its just this poxy league watching with 8'000 fans and on average 500 away fans all season.
Reading through that piece from Rich with Nige, there seems to be "Too many chiefs and not enough Indians" as the saying goes, I mean all this discussing and analysing and things going on behind the scenes, who is actually making the final choice, because it seems that time is ticking while they all sit around talking..FFS get off your arse's and do something, because .... ."If things don't change they will stay the same".
More crap & lies then. Adkins quote on Tuesday was ..." he's player that I'm aware of...."
I would bloody hope so if he's been training with us. Or is Adkins blind or just hasn't encountered him on his daily walk around the training pitches.
See, this is what pisses me off. Just say it as it is.
"Yes, the kid has been training with us..."
If you can lie about something so obvious & that can easily be found out, what else are you lying about that can't be.
I know being contrary is your shtick but this is a really hyperbolic reading. "Crap and lies" is just putting as overly a negative spin on things as you accuse Adkins of putting a positive one.
Yes, they are aware of him, they've bought him in and that's as far as it's gone. Gomes was here for a while but they avoided signing him, this could well be the same again.
My point is Adkins didnt tell the truth. When asked the question about a player he could & should have said..." yes, he is training with us so that we can take a look".
We knew about Gomes because he played in a couple of pre-season games. They couldn't hide that one.
I'm assuming Adkins is "aware" of Harry Kane. Is he training with us too ?
How can you get worked up about a throw away comment in an interview about a player we have on trail, and may likely not even sign.
Because it seems that our new owner is skint ! our new Manager is a liar ! the whole pre season has been focused on getting Roddy a spot at RB at the behest of his Dad !
Which it is. We aren't pay the necessary wages to build the team needed.
It appears so now.
I think the statement TS put out when he took over using words like “sustainable” and “long term” are accurate and very much part of the plan. The bit we may of been sold under false pretences is the 5 year plan. Because clearly premier league football is way off under this wage structure.
I think we could build a good team on low wages with the right management team around and of course good youth academy, but it’s not gonna be done in one season, we could be in this league for a while, albeit run like a proper football club again, a painful prospect short term, but it could be argued a necessary one.
I wouldn't mind being a properly run football team in the Championship and could give a flying fk about being in the prem, give me mid table championship for the next 10 years and I'd bite your arm off. Its just this poxy league watching with 8'000 fans and on average 500 away fans all season.
Agree that’s where I want to see us. With maybe a chance of play offs (and relegation to keep it interesting).
More crap & lies then. Adkins quote on Tuesday was ..." he's player that I'm aware of...."
I would bloody hope so if he's been training with us. Or is Adkins blind or just hasn't encountered him on his daily walk around the training pitches.
See, this is what pisses me off. Just say it as it is.
"Yes, the kid has been training with us..."
If you can lie about something so obvious & that can easily be found out, what else are you lying about that can't be.
I know being contrary is your shtick but this is a really hyperbolic reading. "Crap and lies" is just putting as overly a negative spin on things as you accuse Adkins of putting a positive one.
Yes, they are aware of him, they've bought him in and that's as far as it's gone. Gomes was here for a while but they avoided signing him, this could well be the same again.
My point is Adkins didnt tell the truth. When asked the question about a player he could & should have said..." yes, he is training with us so that we can take a look".
We knew about Gomes because he played in a couple of pre-season games. They couldn't hide that one.
I'm assuming Adkins is "aware" of Harry Kane. Is he training with us too ?
Why though? What difference would it possibly make to know whether he's training or not given they quite clearly haven't made a decision yet? Robbie Elliot was training with us last year but was never going to actually sign.
Which it is. We aren't pay the necessary wages to build the team needed.
It appears so now.
I think the statement TS put out when he took over using words like “sustainable” and “long term” are accurate and very much part of the plan. The bit we may of been sold under false pretences is the 5 year plan. Because clearly premier league football is way off under this wage structure.
I think we could build a good team on low wages with the right management team around and of course good youth academy, but it’s not gonna be done in one season, we could be in this league for a while, albeit run like a proper football club again, a painful prospect short term, but it could be argued a necessary one.
I don't really think sustainable and long term exist with any club outside the Premiership. Its just a case of how much TS is prepared to lose every year, maybe its £5m or £10m but none of that is really '' sustainable''. The other thing is that with due respect to TS, he's really not that rich. and Zynex isn't that big a business and it is arguably a little over hyped in Nasdaq as a medical tech business. Also, TS is 62 years old, the same as me and he must realize that he needs to get on with it and doesn't want to be watching crappy 3rd division football for the next 5 years. So all in all, I think he needs to get on with it now and try very hard this season and not look to be building some kind of long term project.
Finally, in a way, he doesn't really own anything other than the right to play football manager for a while , does he ? It came home to me when I walked in to the East Stand last Saturday when there are weeds growing in and out of the portakabin that stands next to the gate that maintenance will inevitably be very limited whilst Roland owns the ground. Heresy I know but for a long term plan maybe someone ought to be reaching out to Roland's son behind the scenes and hope that Roland drops off his perch soon and that his then incredibly rich ( much richer than TS) Valley owning son fancies bankrolling a football club and running it sensibly unlike his Dad. As I said - I know its heresy !!!
No real rhyme or reason behind this comment - but I have to ask why we can’t ever get taken over by mega rich owners who have the budget to build the squad we need. What do Wigan have that Charlton don’t? Smaller fan base, smaller income on match day, smaller growth potential.
As I say a bit of a throwaway comment - but Christ Sake why not us for once
I just don't think people have ever listened to Sandgaard properly or beyond a few flashy soundbites which people cling to like there is nothing else in the world.
If you go back to the CAST Zoom call earlier this year, there were no indications we would spend big, but we would spend well, develop the players we got, and hopefully buy the right way, he's always talked about putting the building blocks in place so when we do go up, it's a sustainable promotion.
Which it is. We aren't pay the necessary wages to build the team needed.
It appears so now.
I think the statement TS put out when he took over using words like “sustainable” and “long term” are accurate and very much part of the plan. The bit we may of been sold under false pretences is the 5 year plan. Because clearly premier league football is way off under this wage structure.
I think we could build a good team on low wages with the right management team around and of course good youth academy, but it’s not gonna be done in one season, we could be in this league for a while, albeit run like a proper football club again, a painful prospect short term, but it could be argued a necessary one.
That's not a viable plan either though. Even if we ran a squad of 18 in 2 or 3 grand a week we would lose about 3 or 4 million a year, every year and would be lucky to not get relegated.
You can't run an academy the size of ours, a professional u23 team, pay all the staff, pay the utility bills, policing, stewards etc etc on the TV money the commercial income and season ticket sales. Let alone fund the first team's wages.
If we had lost the penalty shoot out to Doncaster, we would have been looking at a relegation battle the following season. If we don't fund the first team properly this season that's what we will be looking at next season as well.
I just don't think people have ever listened to Sandgaard properly or beyond a few flashy soundbites which people cling to like there is nothing else in the world.
If you go back to the CAST Zoom call earlier this year, there were no indications we would spend big, but we would spend well, develop the players we got, and hopefully buy the right way, he's always talked about putting the building blocks in place so when we do go up, it's a sustainable promotion.
People make up their own narrative. An example, TS is a showman so in his stay over here wants to unveil the players himself.
Which it is. We aren't pay the necessary wages to build the team needed.
It appears so now.
I think the statement TS put out when he took over using words like “sustainable” and “long term” are accurate and very much part of the plan. The bit we may of been sold under false pretences is the 5 year plan. Because clearly premier league football is way off under this wage structure.
I think we could build a good team on low wages with the right management team around and of course good youth academy, but it’s not gonna be done in one season, we could be in this league for a while, albeit run like a proper football club again, a painful prospect short term, but it could be argued a necessary one.
That's not a viable plan either though. Even if we ran a squad of 18 in 2 or 3 grand a week we would lose about 3 or 4 million a year, every year and would be lucky to not get relegated.
You can't run an academy the size of ours, a professional u23 team, pay all the staff, pay the utility bills, policing, stewards etc etc on the TV money the commercial income and season ticket sales. Let alone fund the first team's wages.
If we had lost the penalty shoot out to Doncaster, we would have been looking at a relegation battle the following season. If we don't fund the first team properly this season that's what we will be looking at next season as well.
Spending little is not a zero cost game.
Disagree.
We are paying fees for young players, young players (not all) have sell on value, as does the academy players (not all). You only need one to shine and you can flog him for 5 million these days.
I just don't think people have ever listened to Sandgaard properly or beyond a few flashy soundbites which people cling to like there is nothing else in the world.
If you go back to the CAST Zoom call earlier this year, there were no indications we would spend big, but we would spend well, develop the players we got, and hopefully buy the right way, he's always talked about putting the building blocks in place so when we do go up, it's a sustainable promotion.
I've never taken much notice of his comments, but now I just don't get why he said all of it if we're clearly running under a tight budget. He could have said he was going to bring some stability etc after the past few years, and I think that would have got just as many fans onside from the outset.
Which it is. We aren't pay the necessary wages to build the team needed.
It appears so now.
I think the statement TS put out when he took over using words like “sustainable” and “long term” are accurate and very much part of the plan. The bit we may of been sold under false pretences is the 5 year plan. Because clearly premier league football is way off under this wage structure.
I think we could build a good team on low wages with the right management team around and of course good youth academy, but it’s not gonna be done in one season, we could be in this league for a while, albeit run like a proper football club again, a painful prospect short term, but it could be argued a necessary one.
That's not a viable plan either though. Even if we ran a squad of 18 in 2 or 3 grand a week we would lose about 3 or 4 million a year, every year and would be lucky to not get relegated.
You can't run an academy the size of ours, a professional u23 team, pay all the staff, pay the utility bills, policing, stewards etc etc on the TV money the commercial income and season ticket sales. Let alone fund the first team's wages.
If we had lost the penalty shoot out to Doncaster, we would have been looking at a relegation battle the following season. If we don't fund the first team properly this season that's what we will be looking at next season as well.
Spending little is not a zero cost game.
Disagree.
We are paying fees for young players, young players (not all) have sell on value, as does the academy players (not all). You only need one to shine and you can flog him for 5 million these days.
In other words, Brentford.
But that only works if you buy the players and they work. If we buy enough good young players that one is likley to be worth 5 million we would probably get promoted. You can't start at the base we are and expect to flog a player next summer for any significant fee.
Also Brentford did it before Brexit, a lot, not all, of their big sales were on players that now wouldn't get a work permit. Some of their other early signings in league 1 would now go to the championship.
It sounds so simple because Brentford, Leicester and Peterborough have all been relatively successful recently, if it was why isn't everyone else doing it?
If you use Peterborough as the comparison they don't have anywhere near the overheads we do and it took them 8 years to get promoted. If we take 8 years there won't be much of a club left and the losses would spiral.
I do feel some people could do with stop insinuating Adkins, Sandgaard etc are liars. A bit unnecessary.
We have no idea about the truth behind recruitment, understandable to be frustrated it, but some of the comments recently towards people who work for our club is way over the top.
It’s now being suggested budget is an issue, yet until recently one of the reasons for lack of signings was that we were too ambitious with who we wanted and they went to Championship sides or Ipswich/Wigan with inflated wages. Both can’t be true, which makes even more sense that we don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes.
I know we’ve been burnt badly, several times, but the constant negativity and refusal to trust anyone isn’t doing us any good.
Which it is. We aren't pay the necessary wages to build the team needed.
It appears so now.
I think the statement TS put out when he took over using words like “sustainable” and “long term” are accurate and very much part of the plan. The bit we may of been sold under false pretences is the 5 year plan. Because clearly premier league football is way off under this wage structure.
I think we could build a good team on low wages with the right management team around and of course good youth academy, but it’s not gonna be done in one season, we could be in this league for a while, albeit run like a proper football club again, a painful prospect short term, but it could be argued a necessary one.
That's not a viable plan either though. Even if we ran a squad of 18 in 2 or 3 grand a week we would lose about 3 or 4 million a year, every year and would be lucky to not get relegated.
You can't run an academy the size of ours, a professional u23 team, pay all the staff, pay the utility bills, policing, stewards etc etc on the TV money the commercial income and season ticket sales. Let alone fund the first team's wages.
If we had lost the penalty shoot out to Doncaster, we would have been looking at a relegation battle the following season. If we don't fund the first team properly this season that's what we will be looking at next season as well.
Spending little is not a zero cost game.
Disagree.
We are paying fees for young players, young players (not all) have sell on value, as does the academy players (not all). You only need one to shine and you can flog him for 5 million these days.
In other words, Brentford.
But that only works if you buy the players and they work. If we buy enough good young players that one is likley to be worth 5 million we would probably get promoted. You can't start at the base we are and expect to flog a player next summer for any significant fee.
Also Brentford did it before Brexit, a lot, not all, of their big sales were on players that now wouldn't get a work permit. Some of their other early signings in league 1 would now go to the championship.
It sounds so simple because Brentford, Leicester and Peterborough have all been relatively successful recently, if it was why isn't everyone else doing it?
Well we don’t know if it works do we it’s been what 9 months. It’s a long term plan.
I’m not saying it’s simple, effective or even the actual plan. But what else could it be? They are looking at young players from other clubs and young players at home. That much is obvious, my opinion is that he is in it for the long haul and we could be in for a few years of league one, unfortunately.
We need to recognise that if we’re not paying top end wages then for the main part we won’t be getting top end players. We’ve lost out to those that are. What Charlton still do have at this point is their name and the perception of still being a biggish club. That will still be a pull and that’s not meant to be a slight on clubs like Crewe, Burton etc etc. The problem is that every season that passes where we remain in the third tier the tarnish on our club gets a little worse. The strategy going forwards as now clarified doesn’t shout out to me that promotion is coming any time soon. I suppose we can always strike lucky. We’ve as a club now fallen into the pack. We don’t look any stronger on the pitch than probably another dozen clubs and probably weaker than at least eight. I’m very despondent about what’s going on but Charlton fans are very used to that and it’s still better than what was on offer before TS saved us.
Pretty underwhelming record since leaving Villa really, and 23 now (nearly 24) so not even a kid
I'm baffled by our lack of activity at the start of the window, concerning free agents. Why didn't we pick up more players then - our only out of contract signing was McG, who was a direct replacement for losing Amos the same way. That's when the best free agents are snapped up.
Yes they might demand more wages and a higher signing on fee, but then you're not paying the transfer fees that players like Kirk will demand. And not every decent free agent went to Ipswich or Wigan.
I just don't think people have ever listened to Sandgaard properly or beyond a few flashy soundbites which people cling to like there is nothing else in the world.
If you go back to the CAST Zoom call earlier this year, there were no indications we would spend big, but we would spend well, develop the players we got, and hopefully buy the right way, he's always talked about putting the building blocks in place so when we do go up, it's a sustainable promotion.
I've never taken much notice of his comments, but now I just don't get why he said all of it if we're clearly running under a tight budget. He could have said he was going to bring some stability etc after the past few years, and I think that would have got just as many fans onside from the outset.
He’s an excitable guy and incredibly positive, it’s no wonder he makes big off the cuff statement, after taking us over or just having missed out on the play offs. The first time we ever heard of the bloke, he was described as a rockstar businessman, so it was never going to be subtle statements from him. His last few statements show he’s already learnt a lot and is understanding he needs to lay off the grand gestures.
Pretty underwhelming record since leaving Villa really, and 23 now (nearly 24) so not even a kid
I'm baffled by our lack of activity at the start of the window, concerning free agents. Why didn't we pick up more players then - our only out of contract signing was McG, who was a direct replacement for losing Amos the same way. That's when the best free agents are snapped up.
Yes they might demand more wages and a higher signing on fee, but then you're not paying the transfer fees that players like Kirk will demand. And not every decent free agent went to Ipswich or Wigan.
I suspect we very very much underestimated the windows difficulties
It's a dubious comparison as well for Adkins to compare us with his Scunthorpe sides that he got promoted.
Scunthorpe were a small club at this level, with a small stadium, therefore it's far easier to generate the "we're up against the big boys, lets show 'em" team spirit than it is at Charlton. Every other club will see us as one of the big boys in this division, because that's what we are.
It would be like an Arsenal or Spurs trying to reach the Top 6 this season based on underdog team spirit, nobody would buy it.
I just don't think people have ever listened to Sandgaard properly or beyond a few flashy soundbites which people cling to like there is nothing else in the world.
If you go back to the CAST Zoom call earlier this year, there were no indications we would spend big, but we would spend well, develop the players we got, and hopefully buy the right way, he's always talked about putting the building blocks in place so when we do go up, it's a sustainable promotion.
I've never taken much notice of his comments, but now I just don't get why he said all of it if we're clearly running under a tight budget. He could have said he was going to bring some stability etc after the past few years, and I think that would have got just as many fans onside from the outset.
It's possible that he had a budget in mind that he thought would be competitive but other clubs have come in and distorted the market somewhat.
The budget may not have been intended to be tight but has worked out that way.
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I think the statement TS put out when he took over using words like “sustainable” and “long term” are accurate and very much part of the plan. The bit we may of been sold under false pretences is the 5 year plan. Because clearly premier league football is way off under this wage structure.
Yes, they are aware of him, they've bought him in and that's as far as it's gone. Gomes was here for a while but they avoided signing him, this could well be the same again.
Its just this poxy league watching with 8'000 fans and on average 500 away fans all season.
."If things don't change they will stay the same".
We knew about Gomes because he played in a couple of pre-season games. They couldn't hide that one.
I'm assuming Adkins is "aware" of Harry Kane. Is he training with us too ?
Spoilt kids at Xmas mate
Grow up.
Also, TS is 62 years old, the same as me and he must realize that he needs to get on with it and doesn't want to be watching crappy 3rd division football for the next 5 years.
So all in all, I think he needs to get on with it now and try very hard this season and not look to be building some kind of long term project.
Finally, in a way, he doesn't really own anything other than the right to play football manager for a while , does he ? It came home to me when I walked in to the East Stand last Saturday when there are weeds growing in and out of the portakabin that stands next to the gate that maintenance will inevitably be very limited whilst Roland owns the ground.
Heresy I know but for a long term plan maybe someone ought to be reaching out to Roland's son behind the scenes and hope that Roland drops off his perch soon and that his then incredibly rich ( much richer than TS) Valley owning son fancies bankrolling a football club and running it sensibly unlike his Dad.
As I said - I know its heresy !!!
As I say a bit of a throwaway comment - but Christ Sake why not us for once
If you go back to the CAST Zoom call earlier this year, there were no indications we would spend big, but we would spend well, develop the players we got, and hopefully buy the right way, he's always talked about putting the building blocks in place so when we do go up, it's a sustainable promotion.
You can't run an academy the size of ours, a professional u23 team, pay all the staff, pay the utility bills, policing, stewards etc etc on the TV money the commercial income and season ticket sales. Let alone fund the first team's wages.
If we had lost the penalty shoot out to Doncaster, we would have been looking at a relegation battle the following season. If we don't fund the first team properly this season that's what we will be looking at next season as well.
Spending little is not a zero cost game.
We are paying fees for young players, young players (not all) have sell on value, as does the academy players (not all). You only need one to shine and you can flog him for 5 million these days.
Also Brentford did it before Brexit, a lot, not all, of their big sales were on players that now wouldn't get a work permit. Some of their other early signings in league 1 would now go to the championship.
It sounds so simple because Brentford, Leicester and Peterborough have all been relatively successful recently, if it was why isn't everyone else doing it?
If you use Peterborough as the comparison they don't have anywhere near the overheads we do and it took them 8 years to get promoted. If we take 8 years there won't be much of a club left and the losses would spiral.
I’m not saying it’s simple, effective or even the actual plan. But what else could it be? They are looking at young players from other clubs and young players at home. That much is obvious, my opinion is that he is in it for the long haul and we could be in for a few years of league one, unfortunately.
I'm baffled by our lack of activity at the start of the window, concerning free agents. Why didn't we pick up more players then - our only out of contract signing was McG, who was a direct replacement for losing Amos the same way. That's when the best free agents are snapped up.
Yes they might demand more wages and a higher signing on fee, but then you're not paying the transfer fees that players like Kirk will demand. And not every decent free agent went to Ipswich or Wigan.
Scunthorpe were a small club at this level, with a small stadium, therefore it's far easier to generate the "we're up against the big boys, lets show 'em" team spirit than it is at Charlton. Every other club will see us as one of the big boys in this division, because that's what we are.
It would be like an Arsenal or Spurs trying to reach the Top 6 this season based on underdog team spirit, nobody would buy it.
The budget may not have been intended to be tight but has worked out that way.