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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Portsmouth | Tues 2nd Feb 2021

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  • Bowyer was still talking about top 2 in his post match interview. 

    Fucking hell!!!!!!!!
  • LouisMend said:
    Yet we have people saying he should be given the next two transfer window!!!!

    I'd 100% give him to the end of the season. But if we don't get top 6, then he has to go. 
  • edited February 2021
    I would guess that TS has told him he will go if he doesn't get top six. That comment was a message to the owner I suspect.
  • I support Bowyer and yet this season he seems to set the team up wrong in most games.
    It was quite apparent after 20 mins, that they were in control and a goal was looking likely.
    The diamond formation does not work well this season.
    Whether that's down to the manager or the players I'm not sure.
    But what I am certain, is if the players can't play the formation, stop playing it.

    We are wide open at the back most games shipping in 2 or more regularly.
    Matthews was nowhere to be seen near right back at times.
    Maatsen also pushing high and giving away the ball too often.
    Oshilaja did well enough considering he has little defensive protection and Gunter was ok on the same basis.

    Morgan got involved but generally made the wrong decisions.
    JFC got involved but was poor all night.
    Shinnie was ok, as was Pratley.

    Schwarz was anonymous once again and Stockley was our best player by a country mile.

    Watson is past it, he gave away a goal because he's too slow, although Matthews clearance to him was awful.

    Millar did well after Bowyer decided it might be a good idea to change the formation (as he has to nearly every game).

    Why the hell wasn't Millar starting?
    If we go behind we generally lose.
    If we go in front we generally win.

    Why do we never start with our strongest 11 to try and take the lead?

    If we're not going to defend as a team with bodies behind the ball blocking the runs and shots we haven't got a prayer and if Bowyer hasn't worked it out by now I don't think he will.

    Perhaps Famewo and Inniss can come back and organise the defence without any managerial assistance but it's looking less and less likely.

    Just about sums it up for me!
  • HandG said:
    Everyone else just feel massively deflated?


    My poor family must absolutely dread Tuesdays and Saturdays at the moment.


    I know, I do.  :neutral:



  • That was poor, really, really poor.

    Looks to me like Bowyer has really got himself tied up in knots and there have just been way too many team and personnel changes - we look nothing like a team at all.

    You really can't play a diamond midfield with the personnel we had out there tonight, it's never going to work.

    Stockley is an old fashioned number 9, he needs service from wide areas and we never gave him that at all, if you play a narrow midfield you need at least one channel runner to get in behind and that's not his game.

    The same goes for Schwartz too, he is not a Grant type running striker, he needs service from wide areas to make space in the middle and again we never gave that too him - how many times did we get midfield runners in behind?

    The midfield was all over the place, nobody really seemed to know the structure and with a left footer in JFC on the right of the diamond and a right footer in Shinnie on the left we were just so narrow and the full backs didn't offer any width at all.

    Defensively we were shocking. Matthews gave away the first and third goals with sloppy passes and Maatsen the second with a crazy foul in a dangerous area. Gunter looks like a right back playing centre half and Oshi tries his heart out but always has a mistake in him and the distribution of Amos is a major worry even when under no pressure.

    To my mind Lee has to pick his best XI and stick with it we have no cohesion or combinations at all, we just look like we are making it up as we go along.

    If Chuks can't play every game for the 90 then we need to stop pissing about and just bring him off the bench and go with the two that started tonight but with the proper set-up around them - we HAVE to stop the constant shuffling of the deck with personnel and formations.

    For Saturday I really think we need to go back to basics with a 4-4-2 and play to our strengths.

    Amos

    Gunter - Oshilaja - Famewo - Maatsen

    Jaiyesimi - Shinnie - JFC - Millar

    Schwartz - Stockley

    We need the two wide players getting up to support the front two and creating overloads that create chances for Schwartz - unless we get players around him then he is not going to score goals - you can take that to the bank.

    All is not lost yet and the return of Famewo and Inniss is crucial because unless we tighten the back four then we are going nowhere, we are leaking goals for fun and you can't win games like that.

    Not being funny, but if we can't rely on Chucks to play regularly play 90 minutes then he should have gone too. It's ridiculous. 
    I think you can probably afford one, maybe two, part-timers in a squad. We have about half a dozen.
  • The Old boys we have hold no affiliation with our club and crikey it is showing.


  • When a team lacks confidence it is always harder to play football. You need to go back to basics, get the spine of the team right (that is why we needed a centre half on 1st January) and go a bit more direct. Then as confidence returns you open up a bit more.
  • Dazzler21 said:
    Honestly think we'd be better off partnering Aneke with Stockley and Washington with Schwartz.
    Washington and Stockley for me. 
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  • Look, I haven't got time to go through all this, but could someone just tell me if a new scapegoat has been identified now JW,  MM and Bogle are gone.
    Yeah, Albie 
  • JFC not to start anymore for me. Whenever he gets the ball slows the game down and will look to play a 30 yard wonder ball.....sideways. Takes all the free kicks when a right footed player should be taking from left side of field. Can't shoot for shit either. Should have come off instead of Albie who had our only 2 shots of first half.
  • What has been wrong with Innis?
  • We are jank
  • Bowyer was still talking about top 2 in his post match interview. 

    Fucking hell!!!!!!!!
    Deluded
  • robroy said:
    What has been wrong with Innis?
    He's had a poorly leg.


  • RedRobin said:
    We are jank
    You probably spelt that wrong.



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  • edited February 2021
    robroy said:
    What has been wrong with Innis?
    He is yet another injury prone player we brought in when we had no money. We should have bought somebody in on Jan 1 when we had the chance. Schwarz  who came in then, is never going to score enough goals to make up for our truly terrible defence.
  • That was poor, really, really poor.

    Looks to me like Bowyer has really got himself tied up in knots and there have just been way too many team and personnel changes - we look nothing like a team at all.

    You really can't play a diamond midfield with the personnel we had out there tonight, it's never going to work.

    Stockley is an old fashioned number 9, he needs service from wide areas and we never gave him that at all, if you play a narrow midfield you need at least one channel runner to get in behind and that's not his game.

    The same goes for Schwartz too, he is not a Grant type running striker, he needs service from wide areas to make space in the middle and again we never gave that too him - how many times did we get midfield runners in behind?

    The midfield was all over the place, nobody really seemed to know the structure and with a left footer in JFC on the right of the diamond and a right footer in Shinnie on the left we were just so narrow and the full backs didn't offer any width at all.

    Defensively we were shocking. Matthews gave away the first and third goals with sloppy passes and Maatsen the second with a crazy foul in a dangerous area. Gunter looks like a right back playing centre half and Oshi tries his heart out but always has a mistake in him and the distribution of Amos is a major worry even when under no pressure.

    To my mind Lee has to pick his best XI and stick with it we have no cohesion or combinations at all, we just look like we are making it up as we go along.

    If Chuks can't play every game for the 90 then we need to stop pissing about and just bring him off the bench and go with the two that started tonight but with the proper set-up around them - we HAVE to stop the constant shuffling of the deck with personnel and formations.

    For Saturday I really think we need to go back to basics with a 4-4-2 and play to our strengths.

    Amos

    Gunter - Oshilaja - Famewo - Maatsen

    Jaiyesimi - Shinnie - JFC - Millar

    Schwartz - Stockley

    We need the two wide players getting up to support the front two and creating overloads that create chances for Schwartz - unless we get players around him then he is not going to score goals - you can take that to the bank.

    All is not lost yet and the return of Famewo and Inniss is crucial because unless we tighten the back four then we are going nowhere, we are leaking goals for fun and you can't win games like that.

    Not being funny, but if we can't rely on Chucks to play regularly play 90 minutes then he should have gone too. It's ridiculous. 

    I like Chuks but we cannot keep up this habit of switching out strikers every game to accommodate him and - yes - I know he is our top goal scorer.

    We need to build proper combinations and let a front two find their feet, it's hardly an accident that our most recent promotion winning teams have all had a regular front-two that started every game when fit...or until we sold one of them!

    97/98 - Bright & Mendonca

    99/00 - Mendonca & Hunt

    11/12 - BWP & Kermorgant

    18/19 - Taylor & Grant

    This constant switching means that we can't establish a regular pattern of play at all.
  • Several things show that there needs change. Sounds obvious but with LB in charge progress is actually regress.

    Wont apologize but a Morgan fan and his treatment by LB has been diabolical. Getting hooked at half time when he had the only two shots in the first half. Shuts down and the best passer in the team.

    Maartson 2 wayward passes in first half putting us in trouble.
    Matthews cant cross a ball let alone defend.
    Pratley all over the place.
    JFC not his finest
    Shinnie one game wonder and completely anonymous tonight and exactly the same against MK Don's.
    Oshilaja not commanding.


    Tactics poor and whilst some goals are preventable confidence is lost by some fans it must be by some players also.

    Time for change.
  • edited February 2021
    I think we switched because it wasn't working. If Bogle was on the bench rather than Chuks he would have come on!
  • mendonca said:
    Us being all cocky about taking Swindon's best 2 players. Guess what happened today...we lost and they won.
    Those players played a combined 20 minutes for us tonight tbf
  • Curbishley praises Stockley's performance but then bemoans that Schwartz is feeding off of knock downs when he needs through balls. This is why I don't like the tactic of a target man laying it off for other players as a constant tactic. I didn't like it with Leaburn  and I don't think I've ever liked it. If this is how we plan to play then I will probably stop watching when the weather improves.

    Bowyer said that they are good at what they do but failed to add that we are bad at what we do.

    I don't believe that this transfer window will have helped us. The new players are not what we needed. We are laughable in defence and even if the other two get back fit, there's no guarantee that they will stay fit.

    I know it sounds like I'm over-reacting to a defeat but we can't keep saying  'get over it, there's another game on Saturday.' This match was the real test and we failed it.
    Sounds like something I would say.......its telepathic 😄
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