I really would not be supprised if someone like Williams leaves in this window.
I could see a struggling championship club thinking its a gamble worth taking. Either on loan or taking over the rest of his contract.
He doesn't have a natural position in a 442 or a 433 and if Bowyer went back to the diamond he could use Maddison, Chuks, Shinnie, possibly even Millar or Morgan as the 10.
I wouldn't do it, but I can see why you would.
On another note I am not sure it's the salary cap that is the problem, or how we have used it. Lots of people talking about a rebuild next summer but a lot of the cap is going to be taken up by Watson, Gunter, Bogle and Maddison all have multiple years, or options, in their current contracts.
This squad was put together to get promoted this season. Next season the squad won't get magically better as Chuks, Amos, Oshilaja, Pearce, Williams, JFC etc all need to be replaced on the league average, regardless of what they are on now.
Wouldnt be surprised if either him or Maddison left on loan... You go on twitter and there are a few pathetic rumour accounts saying that the likes of QPR | Rotherham | Wycombe are all interested in the latter
Does anybody moan about the cap as much as we do? Seems to get mentioned every single interview.
You sound like you've completely missed the point?
Right up to the day Thomas took over, Charlton were under transfer embargo. We had been relegated, lost half our players - and couldn't rebuild the squad until after our takeover, hurriedly signing the leftover players that nobody else wanted.
Even before that, other clubs in the Division knew the wage cap was coming ...... so they did most of their business early, without financial restriction. The wage cap hasn't impacted them like it has Charlton.
Now it's difficult to improve the squad because of the wretched wage cap. And you're surprised that people "moan" in frustration?
See I don't think that's true. I think the only player you could put in that category is Bogle.
Watson turned down a new deal at Forest. If no one else wanted Gunter why are we paying him so much? Matthews was holding out for a championship club coming in for him.
I don't know why Maddison was still a free agent if it was money, ambition, attitude or what ever but I seriously doubt he couldn't have got another club.
With Gilbey and Washington I have no idea how or why we actually signed them when we did. There could have been some serious legal ramifications for trading insolvent. Also remember they already had contracts elsewhere so we must be paying them half decent amounts?
These players are a million miles away, certainly in salary, from "the dregs" that Parkinson was forced to get.
Does anybody moan about the cap as much as we do? Seems to get mentioned every single interview.
You sound like you've completely missed the point?
Right up to the day Thomas took over, Charlton were under transfer embargo. We had been relegated, lost half our players - and couldn't rebuild the squad until after our takeover, hurriedly signing the leftover players that nobody else wanted.
Even before that, other clubs in the Division knew the wage cap was coming ...... so they did most of their business early, without financial restriction. The wage cap hasn't impacted them like it has Charlton.
Now it's difficult to improve the squad because of the wretched wage cap. And you're surprised that people "moan" in frustration?
Yes I'm aware of all that. I haven't been living under a rock.
The cap is shit, we know that, but bitching about it every interview isn't going to change that. Bowyer signed Watson and Gunter on inflated wages (for the cap), so it's annoying to hear him moaning about it all the time.
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I wonder if Sangaard might teminate a contract to allow us to. It's almost the equivalent of paying £3mil in wages rather than £2.5m. It just means another player on the wage bill who can't play for us but financially it's like operating on a higher wage cap if the player is useless.
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I wonder if Sangaard might teminate a contract to allow us to. It's almost the equivalent of paying £3mil in wages rather than £2.5m. It just means another player on the wage bill who can't play for us but financially it's like operating on a higher wage cap if the player is useless.
If we terminate a contract, we still have to pay up their salary, unless it's under gross misconduct etc... So they'd still form part of the cap wouldn't they? We'd be better off flogging players.
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I wonder if Sangaard might teminate a contract to allow us to. It's almost the equivalent of paying £3mil in wages rather than £2.5m. It just means another player on the wage bill who can't play for us but financially it's like operating on a higher wage cap if the player is useless.
Yeah, I heard it from a Rovers contact, same one who gave me a heads up about Oztumer so believe it has legs.
Someone on the PNE site claiming Bristol Rovers were in for him and we've offered to pay more in wages.
He's a decent player, I liked the look of him when he was at Exeter and he's an upgrade on Bogle and Washington for sure. I'd be happy if we could bring him in.
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I wonder if Sangaard might teminate a contract to allow us to. It's almost the equivalent of paying £3mil in wages rather than £2.5m. It just means another player on the wage bill who can't play for us but financially it's like operating on a higher wage cap if the player is useless.
If we terminate a contract, we still have to pay up their salary, unless it's under gross misconduct etc... So they'd still form part of the cap wouldn't they? We'd be better off flogging players.
We still have to pay their wages but if they're not an employee of the club surely that can't count towards the salary cap?
What I mean is if there wasn't a cap and Thomas gave a wage budget of like £4mil, surely releasing a player but still paying their wages in the background would almost be the same as having a higher wage bill. Ethically they might not want to release a player in that format, and there could be some rule against releasing players for wages I don't know, but if they're not in your submitted squad for the competition (which they wouldn't be as an ex-employee), I don't know how they could be counted towards the salary cap?
Could also if money was not much issue on our end loan players out but continue to pay all/most of their wages like clubs have done for us, they'd be out of the squad and still getting paid, probably a terrible idea
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I wonder if Sangaard might teminate a contract to allow us to. It's almost the equivalent of paying £3mil in wages rather than £2.5m. It just means another player on the wage bill who can't play for us but financially it's like operating on a higher wage cap if the player is useless.
If we terminate a contract, we still have to pay up their salary, unless it's under gross misconduct etc... So they'd still form part of the cap wouldn't they? We'd be better off flogging players.
Is impersonating a footballer regarded as gross misconduct?
Is there any player under 35 that Rangers or Celtic don’t make a move for these days? At least one of them seems to be mentioned in every player rumour.
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I wonder if Sangaard might teminate a contract to allow us to. It's almost the equivalent of paying £3mil in wages rather than £2.5m. It just means another player on the wage bill who can't play for us but financially it's like operating on a higher wage cap if the player is useless.
If we terminate a contract, we still have to pay up their salary, unless it's under gross misconduct etc... So they'd still form part of the cap wouldn't they? We'd be better off flogging players.
We still have to pay their wages but if they're not an employee of the club surely that can't count towards the salary cap?
What I mean is if there wasn't a cap and Thomas gave a wage budget of like £4mil, surely releasing a player but still paying their wages in the background would almost be the same as having a higher wage bill. Ethically they might not want to release a player in that format, and there could be some rule against releasing players for wages I don't know, but if they're not in your submitted squad for the competition (which they wouldn't be as an ex-employee), I don't know how they could be counted towards the salary cap?
Cancelling contracts still counts against the cap, you pay up the contract so it is a salary expenditure. Otherwise loads of teams would just release half their squad!
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I wonder if Sangaard might teminate a contract to allow us to. It's almost the equivalent of paying £3mil in wages rather than £2.5m. It just means another player on the wage bill who can't play for us but financially it's like operating on a higher wage cap if the player is useless.
If we terminate a contract, we still have to pay up their salary, unless it's under gross misconduct etc... So they'd still form part of the cap wouldn't they? We'd be better off flogging players.
We still have to pay their wages but if they're not an employee of the club surely that can't count towards the salary cap?
What I mean is if there wasn't a cap and Thomas gave a wage budget of like £4mil, surely releasing a player but still paying their wages in the background would almost be the same as having a higher wage bill. Ethically they might not want to release a player in that format, and there could be some rule against releasing players for wages I don't know, but if they're not in your submitted squad for the competition (which they wouldn't be as an ex-employee), I don't know how they could be counted towards the salary cap?
Cancelling contracts still counts against the cap, you pay up the contract so it is a salary expenditure. Otherwise loads of teams would just release half their squad!
Where did you read this? I'd assume most clubs aren't in the financial position to pay contracts outside of their playing team.
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Watson turned down a new deal at Forest. If no one else wanted Gunter why are we paying him so much? Matthews was holding out for a championship club coming in for him.
I don't know why Maddison was still a free agent if it was money, ambition, attitude or what ever but I seriously doubt he couldn't have got another club.
With Gilbey and Washington I have no idea how or why we actually signed them when we did. There could have been some serious legal ramifications for trading insolvent. Also remember they already had contracts elsewhere so we must be paying them half decent amounts?
These players are a million miles away, certainly in salary, from "the dregs" that Parkinson was forced to get.
The cap is shit, we know that, but bitching about it every interview isn't going to change that. Bowyer signed Watson and Gunter on inflated wages (for the cap), so it's annoying to hear him moaning about it all the time.
10 are kids (italics),
10 First teamers (bold)
5 that are loanees (bold italics).
and Oztumer.
Bogle
Washington
Schwartz
Aneke
Smyth
Surely CB is a priority
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I wonder if Sangaard might teminate a contract to allow us to. It's almost the equivalent of paying £3mil in wages rather than £2.5m. It just means another player on the wage bill who can't play for us but financially it's like operating on a higher wage cap if the player is useless.
Yeah, I heard it from a Rovers contact, same one who gave me a heads up about Oztumer so believe it has legs.
He's a decent player, I liked the look of him when he was at Exeter and he's an upgrade on Bogle and Washington for sure. I'd be happy if we could bring him in.
What I mean is if there wasn't a cap and Thomas gave a wage budget of like £4mil, surely releasing a player but still paying their wages in the background would almost be the same as having a higher wage bill. Ethically they might not want to release a player in that format, and there could be some rule against releasing players for wages I don't know, but if they're not in your submitted squad for the competition (which they wouldn't be as an ex-employee), I don't know how they could be counted towards the salary cap?