Even if Bowyer doesn't think Barker is ready, what about our U23s, surely there must be someone who can step up and play CB?
Mingi is very capable. Hopefully Oshilaja will step up and show up the folly of Bowyer’s team selections. I trust Jacko can talk some sense into him, failing that Sandgaard needs to interject.
Let me get this straight, you actually think that a chairman of a club should interject and tell the manager who he thinks should be playing.
Even if Bowyer doesn't think Barker is ready, what about our U23s, surely there must be someone who can step up and play CB?
Mingi is very capable. Hopefully Oshilaja will step up and show up the folly of Bowyer’s team selections. I trust Jacko can talk some sense into him, failing that Sandgaard needs to interject.
Let me get this straight, you actually think that a chairman of a club should interject and tell the manager who he thinks should be playing.
Been about football long have you?
I read it as having a word with bowyer about his recent performance and strange selections, which an owner is entitled to do. Not that ts should pick the team
Even if Bowyer doesn't think Barker is ready, what about our U23s, surely there must be someone who can step up and play CB?
Mingi is very capable. Hopefully Oshilaja will step up and show up the folly of Bowyer’s team selections. I trust Jacko can talk some sense into him, failing that Sandgaard needs to interject.
The fact Mingi, more than Barker, hasn't even been on the bench is quite a head stratcher. At his age, at this level, in these circumstances you have to ask if not now when?
I can't not now see any circumstances in which Bowyer will use him. On that basis I expect him to leave as soon as possible and I don't think he has had a fair crack
Even if Bowyer doesn't think Barker is ready, what about our U23s, surely there must be someone who can step up and play CB?
Mingi is very capable. Hopefully Oshilaja will step up and show up the folly of Bowyer’s team selections. I trust Jacko can talk some sense into him, failing that Sandgaard needs to interject.
The fact Mingi, more than Barker, hasn't even been on the bench is quite a head stratcher. At his age, at this level, in these circumstances you have to ask if not now when?
I can't not now see any circumstances in which Bowyer will use him. On that basis I expect him to leave as soon as possible and I don't think he has had a fair crack
Why has he not been out on loan, what is his contract position, how well has he playing at the moment?
Even if Bowyer doesn't think Barker is ready, what about our U23s, surely there must be someone who can step up and play CB?
Mingi is very capable. Hopefully Oshilaja will step up and show up the folly of Bowyer’s team selections. I trust Jacko can talk some sense into him, failing that Sandgaard needs to interject.
The fact Mingi, more than Barker, hasn't even been on the bench is quite a head stratcher. At his age, at this level, in these circumstances you have to ask if not now when?
I can't not now see any circumstances in which Bowyer will use him. On that basis I expect him to leave as soon as possible and I don't think he has had a fair crack
Why has he not been out on loan, what is his contract position, how well has he playing at the moment?
These are very good questions as he is now 20 and has played 2 games in the tin pot cup, that's it. No non-league loan.
There can't be many 20 year olds that have played zero proper mens football then gone on to make it?
If you compare it to Hady Ghandour he at least has played 60 odd games of mens football, all be it at a lower level.
Not entirely convinced he gets in any of those championship sides (maybe Rotherham) but they can pay him 5k to sit on the bench as backup and it's double what we could afford.
Even if Bowyer doesn't think Barker is ready, what about our U23s, surely there must be someone who can step up and play CB?
Mingi is very capable. Hopefully Oshilaja will step up and show up the folly of Bowyer’s team selections. I trust Jacko can talk some sense into him, failing that Sandgaard needs to interject.
The fact Mingi, more than Barker, hasn't even been on the bench is quite a head stratcher. At his age, at this level, in these circumstances you have to ask if not now when?
I can't not now see any circumstances in which Bowyer will use him. On that basis I expect him to leave as soon as possible and I don't think he has had a fair crack
Why has he not been out on loan, what is his contract position, how well has he playing at the moment?
These are very good questions as he is now 20 and has played 2 games in the tin pot cup, that's it. No non-league loan.
There can't be many 20 year olds that have played zero proper mens football then gone on to make it?
If you compare it to Hady Ghandour he at least has played 60 odd games of mens football, all be it at a lower level.
I don’t think it is that unusual as players develop at different stages. A simple thing like a growth spurt can throw the body completely out of kilter for instance. I have faith that we will be developing him appropriately, and if he is able to complete that journey he will start playing men’s football, hopefully with us.
Even if Bowyer doesn't think Barker is ready, what about our U23s, surely there must be someone who can step up and play CB?
Mingi is very capable. Hopefully Oshilaja will step up and show up the folly of Bowyer’s team selections. I trust Jacko can talk some sense into him, failing that Sandgaard needs to interject.
The fact Mingi, more than Barker, hasn't even been on the bench is quite a head stratcher. At his age, at this level, in these circumstances you have to ask if not now when?
I can't not now see any circumstances in which Bowyer will use him. On that basis I expect him to leave as soon as possible and I don't think he has had a fair crack
Why has he not been out on loan, what is his contract position, how well has he playing at the moment?
These are very good questions as he is now 20 and has played 2 games in the tin pot cup, that's it. No non-league loan.
There can't be many 20 year olds that have played zero proper mens football then gone on to make it?
If you compare it to Hady Ghandour he at least has played 60 odd games of mens football, all be it at a lower level.
I don't think Vennings has been out on loan either. He will be 21 in May and he's only started 3 games in any competition. I've often been critical of Premier League clubs stockpiling players but, if we aren't playing or even sending the likes of Vennings out on loan, how do they develop as footballers?
Even if Bowyer doesn't think Barker is ready, what about our U23s, surely there must be someone who can step up and play CB?
Mingi is very capable. Hopefully Oshilaja will step up and show up the folly of Bowyer’s team selections. I trust Jacko can talk some sense into him, failing that Sandgaard needs to interject.
The fact Mingi, more than Barker, hasn't even been on the bench is quite a head stratcher. At his age, at this level, in these circumstances you have to ask if not now when?
I can't not now see any circumstances in which Bowyer will use him. On that basis I expect him to leave as soon as possible and I don't think he has had a fair crack
Why has he not been out on loan, what is his contract position, how well has he playing at the moment?
These are very good questions as he is now 20 and has played 2 games in the tin pot cup, that's it. No non-league loan.
There can't be many 20 year olds that have played zero proper mens football then gone on to make it?
If you compare it to Hady Ghandour he at least has played 60 odd games of mens football, all be it at a lower level.
I don't think Vennings has been out on loan either. He will be 21 in May and he's only started 3 games in any competition. I've often been critical of Premier League clubs stockpiling players but, if we aren't playing or even sending the likes of Vennings out on loan, how do they develop as footballers?
I don’t think Vennings would/should be allowed to go out on loan as he may well be needed. I think he has a great future and we need to tie him up on a long contract.
I don’t think going out on loan is the only way to develop players either. Getting kicked from pillar to post is not always the best way to develop a player! It really has to be a good fit, which means that you need the right club to want the player. I think our success in developing players is a good indication that the coaches know what they are doing.
I'm not sure if some of Bow's reluctance to use our youngsters isnt due him having to use them so much last season. As a manager he doesn't seem to be making "brave" decisions as much. Be that team selection, tactics or willingness to take a chance on our youth players who let's face didn't really let us down last season when they played.
Even if Bowyer doesn't think Barker is ready, what about our U23s, surely there must be someone who can step up and play CB?
Mingi is very capable. Hopefully Oshilaja will step up and show up the folly of Bowyer’s team selections. I trust Jacko can talk some sense into him, failing that Sandgaard needs to interject.
The fact Mingi, more than Barker, hasn't even been on the bench is quite a head stratcher. At his age, at this level, in these circumstances you have to ask if not now when?
I can't not now see any circumstances in which Bowyer will use him. On that basis I expect him to leave as soon as possible and I don't think he has had a fair crack
Why has he not been out on loan, what is his contract position, how well has he playing at the moment?
These are very good questions as he is now 20 and has played 2 games in the tin pot cup, that's it. No non-league loan.
There can't be many 20 year olds that have played zero proper mens football then gone on to make it?
If you compare it to Hady Ghandour he at least has played 60 odd games of mens football, all be it at a lower level.
I don't think Vennings has been out on loan either. He will be 21 in May and he's only started 3 games in any competition. I've often been critical of Premier League clubs stockpiling players but, if we aren't playing or even sending the likes of Vennings out on loan, how do they develop as footballers?
I don’t think Vennings would/should be allowed to go out on loan as he may well be needed. I think he has a great future and we need to tie him up on a long contract.
I don’t think going out on loan is the only way to develop players either. Getting kicked from pillar to post is not always the best way to develop a player! It really has to be a good fit, which means that you need the right club to want the player. I think our success in developing players is a good indication that the coaches know what they are doing.
Really?
He was barely needed last season when we had a major injury crisis so I'd be amazed if he's needed now when we have probably 8 midfielders ahead of him.
Have just caught up on 25 pages of this thread and can’t help but pinch myself over the difference between this window and the period last year. Signings made (and early) and no sightings of the super duper phone.
Looking forward to what else may pitch up on the LB / SG rollercoaster.
I'm not sure if some of Bow's reluctance to use our youngsters isnt due him having to use them so much last season. As a manager he doesn't seem to be making "brave" decisions as much. Be that team selection, tactics or willingness to take a chance on our youth players who let's face didn't really let us down last season when they played.
He played them last year, they didn’t let us down, we got relegated, they left.
I'm not sure if some of Bow's reluctance to use our youngsters isnt due him having to use them so much last season. As a manager he doesn't seem to be making "brave" decisions as much. Be that team selection, tactics or willingness to take a chance on our youth players who let's face didn't really let us down last season when they played.
I think you're right, there likely is a reaction on Bowyer's part to having to play so many young players last season. I remember around this time last year we were seeing Vennings, Davison, Morgan, Doughty and Dempsey playing when only really Morgan would have been expected to appear occasionally in the Championship at the start of the season. It was really depressing watching kids like Dempsey who to be honest is currently National League standard having to take on players who were looking up towards the Premier League, so it's no shocker that Bowyer leans towards using experience when it's available. We also do just have an insane number of midfielders.Even stocking the bench is an exercise in complexity when you've got just a couple of spaces and more and more names keep popping up that you might want to include.
Have just caught up on 25 pages of this thread and can’t help but pinch myself over the difference between this window and the period last year. Signings made (and early) and no sightings of the super duper phone.
Looking forward to what else may pitch up on the LB / SG rollercoaster.
Wonder if we’ll get a late night picture of crisps and fizzy drinks appearing on deadline day!
Better wording from Bowyer when talking about Oshilaja
“But now he’s out and Deji has got the opportunity now and he is back fit. Hopefully Deji will do well – so that when Darren is back he can slot back into midfield."
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I know he was mentioned on here by a couple of people but pretty sure he was never going to drop down to league one.
I can't not now see any circumstances in which Bowyer will use him. On that basis I expect him to leave as soon as possible and I don't think he has had a fair crack
There can't be many 20 year olds that have played zero proper mens football then gone on to make it?
If you compare it to Hady Ghandour he at least has played 60 odd games of mens football, all be it at a lower level.
Not entirely convinced he gets in any of those championship sides (maybe Rotherham) but they can pay him 5k to sit on the bench as backup and it's double what we could afford.
He was barely needed last season when we had a major injury crisis so I'd be amazed if he's needed now when we have probably 8 midfielders ahead of him.
Addicks boss Lee Bowyer is without Akin Famewo and Ryan Inniss due to injury – with the former the closest to a return but still around a month away.
Yet Bowyer is still reluctant to shop for a CB...
Better wording from Bowyer when talking about Oshilaja
“But now he’s out and Deji has got the opportunity now and he is back fit. Hopefully Deji will do well – so that when Darren is back he can slot back into midfield."