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January 2021 Transfer Targets (last minute swoop for Jaiyesimi p184 - NOW it's all over.)
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I should imagine Man City and Man Utd realise that loaning out youngsters is always a gamble - and that there are lots of factors that will make a move a success or not.killerandflash said:
But only if it's actually true thoughOggy Red said:
That's not for our benefit, the fans.mendonca said:I don't know why but this constant bigging up is doing my head in abit:
"He has improved as a player under us. The list is bloody endless – of people doing well and moving on."
It's so the media pick up on it and it gets known throughout football that we improve players.
Then players want to come to us and Prem clubs want to lend us their bright young prospects.
I doubt Man City thought we improved the other Matt Smith, or Utd thought we improved Dylan Levitt
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What divison were we in?cafcfan1990 said:
No it will be the 6th time he signs for a different Championship club (not counting Ipswich as he rejoined them in 2014). Ipswich, Forest, MK Dons, Ipswich again, Sunderland and now Cardiff. Played about 65 times in those spells, scoring 3 goals. He's not done particularly well.Cafc43v3r said:
Yes 7 is wrong, it would actually be the 8th. That doesn't include Palace.cafcfan1990 said:
7th is a slight exaggeration, but your point is valid. His career has been going backwards though, he can’t get into a League 1 team currently.Cafc43v3r said:
But we all know why Chuks isn't.Leeds_Addick said:
Stupid way to judge a playerCafc43v3r said:
What time is his move to a championship club being announced?Leeds_Addick said:
We all know Chuks is better than Bonne but who's the one playing in the championship
Why has Maddison had one loan spell in the championship, that by any metric, was an absolute disaster, yet Williams is about to sign for a championship club for the 7th time?
All those managers can't be wrong can they?
He can't be going backwards, Bowyer said we improved him
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Kirk in as our new captain, pls3
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Captain? Admiral these days.MaxicoCity said:Kirk in as our new captain, pls2 -
bit of a concern that if the plan was for a CB and a winger, we've ended up with a central midfielder - that could be:
- the CB / winger info was bollox (unlikely given the source)
- the CB / winger info was put out to prompt some movement
- we have missed out on the CB and no others are deemed better than what we have
- smyth became available and was deemed more important than the CB
- the winger will still happen but need JW off the books first which looks likely3 -
Crewe just told Harry Pickering to Blackburn for 650,000. was hoping we'd take a look at him in the summer.
Surely a similar fee would get Kirk.1 -
or we've had another injury to a CM in training and need cover of quality in this area.0
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covered_end_junior said:Crewe just told Harry Pickering to Blackburn for 650,000. was hoping we'd take a look at him in the summer.
Surely a similar fee would get Kirk.
We are signing his brother Ronnie.13 -
All the managers that overlooked him can't be wrong though. Peterborough must be the most heavily scouted club in the lower leagues over the time he was there.Leeds_Addick said:For what it's worth I do think Maddison has been overlooked by Championship managers. I'm not speculating on whether that's due to his character (which it may be), but on the pitch he impacts games more than Williams does.
Here's Williams performance in the championship11/12 - 14 apps, G:0, A:212/13 - 29 apps, G:0, A:113/14 - 13 apps, G:1, A:114/15 - 7 apps, G:1, A:015/16 - 10 apps, G:0, A:016/17 - 8 apps, G:0, A:017/18 - 12 apps, G:1, A:019/20 - 26 apps, G:0, A:5
Obviously Maddison has only played 7 championship games but every single year in league one he's scored more and assisted more than Williams has in all his championship seasons put together
Maybe Mick McCarthy wants a player he can bring on 75 mins into a game to win some free kicks
No one thought the reason their strikers scored goal was just because of Maddison and still bought the striker instead? Enough strikers went through the club.
I don't think the reason he hasn't had the chance is attitude, because most managers have an ego big enough to say "I'll sort him out", even the more level headed ones like Curbs.
I have no idea what the reason is, but it must exist?1 -
Are people okay with the fact that Kirk has tattoos...
Or are we just happy he likes playing in Red and White for CAFC?6 - Sponsored links:
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It slightly worries me that they have done that and sold Perry NG as well as that puts them more in the driving seat as they will no longer need the money like other clubs will at the moment.covered_end_junior said:Crewe just told Harry Pickering to Blackburn for 650,000. was hoping we'd take a look at him in the summer.
Surely a similar fee would get Kirk.2 -
Hope this doesn't scupper the Kirk deal. Guess they'll have known about the interest in both but that would rip their left side apart.covered_end_junior said:Crewe just told Harry Pickering to Blackburn for 650,000. was hoping we'd take a look at him in the summer.
Surely a similar fee would get Kirk.2 -
Pickering is going back to them on loan for the rest of the seasonPaddy7 said:
Hope this doesn't scupper the Kirk deal. Guess they'll have known about the interest in both but that would rip their left side apart.covered_end_junior said:Crewe just told Harry Pickering to Blackburn for 650,000. was hoping we'd take a look at him in the summer.
Surely a similar fee would get Kirk.6 -
I get your point but how many of those 119 games for Kirk were below league 1. How many games have Williams and oztumer played below league 1?Dazzler21 said:
Williams/Ozzy 113 Goals 5, Assists 9mart77 said:
I also really like how Kirk has played 120 games in 2 and a half seasons which I’d guess is similar to JW anc Ozzy combinedDazzler21 said:
Yep, good window for me. Shame Bowyer can't work with either Williams or Oztumer as they've done well it at this level previously, but Kirk seems to be a decent upgrade option given his age.mart77 said:
I’d have liked one more youngster on a perm but those changes have to be a big upgrade.sam3110 said:Bogle, Lapslie, Doughty, Smyth, Williams(?) Oztumer(?) outStockley, Smith, Millar, Schwartz, Kirk(?) in.... Is that a good window overall
Kirk 119 Goals 25, Assists 30.0 -
Scouts are sent to scout a position. They may return with comments on other positions but more often than not they are sent to watch either a specific player or a specific position. (Assumption based on what we hear from the game)Cafc43v3r said:
All the managers that overlooked him can't be wrong though. Peterborough must be the most heavily scouted club in the lower leagues over the time he was there.Leeds_Addick said:For what it's worth I do think Maddison has been overlooked by Championship managers. I'm not speculating on whether that's due to his character (which it may be), but on the pitch he impacts games more than Williams does.
Here's Williams performance in the championship11/12 - 14 apps, G:0, A:212/13 - 29 apps, G:0, A:113/14 - 13 apps, G:1, A:114/15 - 7 apps, G:1, A:015/16 - 10 apps, G:0, A:016/17 - 8 apps, G:0, A:017/18 - 12 apps, G:1, A:019/20 - 26 apps, G:0, A:5
Obviously Maddison has only played 7 championship games but every single year in league one he's scored more and assisted more than Williams has in all his championship seasons put together
Maybe Mick McCarthy wants a player he can bring on 75 mins into a game to win some free kicks
No one thought the reason their strikers scored goal was just because of Maddison and still bought the striker instead? Enough strikers went through the club.
I don't think the reason he hasn't had the chance is attitude, because most managers have an ego big enough to say "I'll sort him out", even the more level headed ones like Curbs.
I have no idea what the reason is, but it must exist?
The fact he played 22 games scoring 9 goals and assisting 5 times tells you why Hull took a chance, but they were in freefall and he obviously didn't warm to them and visa versa in his limited time. He still scored a goal.
In fact his movement was really good for it too. Takes players on, doesn't just watch his shot follows it through to its conclusion and is congratulated by his team mates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2yC7bcGXUc
His league goal for us and his goal for Hull both came playing the free role in CAM.
Sorry getting distracted by history. I also don't get why, attitude rarely ever stops a player getting a move. I wonder if it was because until last season, like with Toney P'Boro priced him out of many clubs 'take a punt' budget?1 -
Fingers crossed for Williams !!! Hope he manages to pass his medical 🏥 he should be alright as long as it’s only 60mins2
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Something I was about to post. I hope he is not expecting that sort of game time here as I'm sure he will be "rotated" just like Williams, Levitt, Gilbey, Shinnie, Morgan, Maddisson & JFC.soapboxsam said:stoneroses19 said:Smith has played 90 minutes 24 times this season for Swindon.
We will soon put a stop to that.
Disappointing to hear his battery doesn't run out at 60mins.0 -
Levitt got rotated right back out the door3
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That was the second time his contract got in the last year. You would think with those numbers you would send a scout to specifically watch him?Dazzler21 said:
Scouts are sent to scout a position. They may return with comments on other positions but more often than not they are sent to watch either a specific player or a specific position. (Assumption based on what we hear from the game)Cafc43v3r said:
All the managers that overlooked him can't be wrong though. Peterborough must be the most heavily scouted club in the lower leagues over the time he was there.Leeds_Addick said:For what it's worth I do think Maddison has been overlooked by Championship managers. I'm not speculating on whether that's due to his character (which it may be), but on the pitch he impacts games more than Williams does.
Here's Williams performance in the championship11/12 - 14 apps, G:0, A:212/13 - 29 apps, G:0, A:113/14 - 13 apps, G:1, A:114/15 - 7 apps, G:1, A:015/16 - 10 apps, G:0, A:016/17 - 8 apps, G:0, A:017/18 - 12 apps, G:1, A:019/20 - 26 apps, G:0, A:5
Obviously Maddison has only played 7 championship games but every single year in league one he's scored more and assisted more than Williams has in all his championship seasons put together
Maybe Mick McCarthy wants a player he can bring on 75 mins into a game to win some free kicks
No one thought the reason their strikers scored goal was just because of Maddison and still bought the striker instead? Enough strikers went through the club.
I don't think the reason he hasn't had the chance is attitude, because most managers have an ego big enough to say "I'll sort him out", even the more level headed ones like Curbs.
I have no idea what the reason is, but it must exist?
The fact he played 22 games scoring 9 goals and assisting 5 times tells you why Hull took a chance, but they were in freefall and he obviously didn't warm to them and visa versa in his limited time. He still scored a goal.
In fact his movement was really good for it too. Takes players on, doesn't just watch his shot follows it through to its conclusion and is congratulated by his team mates.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2yC7bcGXUc
His league goal for us and his goal for Hull both came playing the free role in CAM.
Sorry getting distracted by history. I also don't get why, attitude rarely ever stops a player getting a move. I wonder if it was because until last season, like with Toney P'Boro priced him out of many clubs 'take a punt' budget?
Anyway we are all guessing at the why, but it didn't happen.0 -
Haven’t seen any rumours for clubs wanting him this transfer window.Dazzler21 said:Levitt got rotated right back out the door0 - Sponsored links:
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Pickering has gone straight back to Crewe on loan .. still a point though, do Crewe now need the cash ?covered_end_junior said:Crewe just told Harry Pickering to Blackburn for 650,000. was hoping we'd take a look at him in the summer.
Surely a similar fee would get Kirk.
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Think i saw Swindon were interestedstoneroses19 said:
Haven’t seen any rumours for clubs wanting him this transfer window.Dazzler21 said:Levitt got rotated right back out the door0 -
League 1Cafc43v3r said:
What divison were we in?cafcfan1990 said:
No it will be the 6th time he signs for a different Championship club (not counting Ipswich as he rejoined them in 2014). Ipswich, Forest, MK Dons, Ipswich again, Sunderland and now Cardiff. Played about 65 times in those spells, scoring 3 goals. He's not done particularly well.Cafc43v3r said:
Yes 7 is wrong, it would actually be the 8th. That doesn't include Palace.cafcfan1990 said:
7th is a slight exaggeration, but your point is valid. His career has been going backwards though, he can’t get into a League 1 team currently.Cafc43v3r said:
But we all know why Chuks isn't.Leeds_Addick said:
Stupid way to judge a playerCafc43v3r said:
What time is his move to a championship club being announced?Leeds_Addick said:
We all know Chuks is better than Bonne but who's the one playing in the championship
Why has Maddison had one loan spell in the championship, that by any metric, was an absolute disaster, yet Williams is about to sign for a championship club for the 7th time?
All those managers can't be wrong can they?
He can't be going backwards, Bowyer said we improved him0 -
Who?roseandcrown said:covered_end_junior said:Crewe just told Harry Pickering to Blackburn for 650,000. was hoping we'd take a look at him in the summer.
Surely a similar fee would get Kirk.
We are signing his brother Ronnie.2 -
I'm Ronnie Pickering thats who!!!colthe3rd said:
Who?roseandcrown said:covered_end_junior said:Crewe just told Harry Pickering to Blackburn for 650,000. was hoping we'd take a look at him in the summer.
Surely a similar fee would get Kirk.
We are signing his brother Ronnie.8 -
Would probably be a good move for him.eastterrace6168 said:
Think i saw Swindon were interestedstoneroses19 said:
Haven’t seen any rumours for clubs wanting him this transfer window.Dazzler21 said:Levitt got rotated right back out the door
https://the72.co.uk/218346/opinion-swindon-town-should-hand-charlton-athletic-loan-flop-another-chance-in-league-one/
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I love the way Maddison is so positive and attacks the space ..... like he did for his Charlton goal against Argyle.Dazzler21 said:Cafc43v3r said:
All the managers that overlooked him can't be wrong though. Peterborough must be the most heavily scouted club in the lower leagues over the time he was there.Leeds_Addick said:For what it's worth I do think Maddison has been overlooked by Championship managers. I'm not speculating on whether that's due to his character (which it may be), but on the pitch he impacts games more than Williams does.
Here's Williams performance in the championship11/12 - 14 apps, G:0, A:212/13 - 29 apps, G:0, A:113/14 - 13 apps, G:1, A:114/15 - 7 apps, G:1, A:015/16 - 10 apps, G:0, A:016/17 - 8 apps, G:0, A:017/18 - 12 apps, G:1, A:019/20 - 26 apps, G:0, A:5
Obviously Maddison has only played 7 championship games but every single year in league one he's scored more and assisted more than Williams has in all his championship seasons put together
Maybe Mick McCarthy wants a player he can bring on 75 mins into a game to win some free kicks
No one thought the reason their strikers scored goal was just because of Maddison and still bought the striker instead? Enough strikers went through the club.
I don't think the reason he hasn't had the chance is attitude, because most managers have an ego big enough to say "I'll sort him out", even the more level headed ones like Curbs.
I have no idea what the reason is, but it must exist?
In fact his movement was really good for it too. Takes players on, doesn't just watch his shot follows it through to its conclusion and is congratulated by his team mates.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2yC7bcGXUc
His league goal for us and his goal for Hull both came playing the free role in CAM.
Okay, his first shot didn't come off in the video but he he follows up the rebound so decisively.
He really can strike a ball cleanly.
This fella has got so much to offer, if only .........
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RONNIE PICKERINGcolthe3rd said:
Who?roseandcrown said:covered_end_junior said:Crewe just told Harry Pickering to Blackburn for 650,000. was hoping we'd take a look at him in the summer.
Surely a similar fee would get Kirk.
We are signing his brother Ronnie.5 -
Who's that then?roseandcrown said:
RONNIE PICKERINGcolthe3rd said:
Who?roseandcrown said:covered_end_junior said:Crewe just told Harry Pickering to Blackburn for 650,000. was hoping we'd take a look at him in the summer.
Surely a similar fee would get Kirk.
We are signing his brother Ronnie.1 -
Yeah me!Dazzler21 said:
Who's that then?roseandcrown said:
RONNIE PICKERINGcolthe3rd said:
Who?roseandcrown said:covered_end_junior said:Crewe just told Harry Pickering to Blackburn for 650,000. was hoping we'd take a look at him in the summer.
Surely a similar fee would get Kirk.
We are signing his brother Ronnie.6
