If an experienced player was paid up by a Prem club like Jonny Williams was and we just paid a modest salary how would that relate to the cap if they came on loan or as with Jonny they signed full time?
With Jonny at the end of the season CP paid up his contract so he became a free agent. So he effectively would be a new signing for us and all of his wages would count to the Cap. Exactly the same situation at Adam Matthews
With loan players the percentage of the wages etc that we pay will go towards the cap. So if a payer is on 10k a week and we pay £3k of that , the mount that we pay goes towards the cap.
Unless they are u21 and then we could pay the full amount and none of it would count.
If an experienced player was paid up by a Prem club like Jonny Williams was and we just paid a modest salary how would that relate to the cap if they came on loan or as with Jonny they signed full time?
With Jonny at the end of the season CP paid up his contract so he became a free agent. So he effectively would be a new signing for us and all of his wages would count to the Cap. Exactly the same situation at Adam Matthews
With loan players the percentage of the wages etc that we pay will go towards the cap. So if a payer is on 10k a week and we pay £3k of that , the mount that we pay goes towards the cap.
Thanks.
So the age of the player doesn't matter?
Would a U21 loanee's salary count at all towards the cap?
My guess is that even if we have signed anyone, they won’t be announced until a large photo shoot with LB & TS when TS is back in the country, so likely to be tomorrow or Friday morning
Yea I have given Bonne pelters since the restart basically. But I do think when in touch he is a natural finisher, most of his goals are quite frankly half chances at best. It's clear cut chances he seems to fluff.
Can we really afford to give up someone who really is a talented striker, who runs the right lines? Even if he has been terrible for 4 months.
Yea I have given Bonne pelters since the restart basically. But I do think when in touch he is a natural finisher, most of his goals are quite frankly half chances at best. It's clear cut chances he seems to fluff.
Can we really afford to give up someone who really is a talented striker, who runs the right lines? Even if he has been terrible for 4 months.
And again what use is the money for selling him?
You make it sound like 4 months is a short amount of time to be terrible.
He's a 25 year old striker who offers very little and shows no sign of any improvement. Get the cash, free up the wages and get someone else in. There is better options in L2 I'm sure.
Sadly I think we should accept any amount above £1.5m for him. He did well at times last season but he needs far too many chances, which isn't a luxury we can afford at the moment.
Bonne was a work in progress that we were forced to use. Still not a finished article and does have potential. Did well enough and applies himself but at the moment he’s not what we need. Great if we can retain him as third / fourth choice but I still don’t see him firing us to promotion. I don’t see Washington as a 20 goal striker but the foil for one who is. We need two strikers in if Bonne goes which in an ideal world might not be good business but needs must. We need promotion
Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the division
Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the division
Yeah lets get rid of someone who guarantees us goals when chances get created (he hasnt had a shocking miss once this season)... Baffles me why people are prepared to take the risk to get rid of him when the next player may be even worse
e.g the argument is we need a Mendonca / Taylor / Grant / Hunt / Kermogant / BWP type striker and whilst we havent been promoted that often, those are the only guys (in 20-years) that have gone close to twenty goals for us in a season... So why is everyone confident that Bonne's "replacement" can do better than him?
Ive discarded the Premier League strikers for obvious reasons by the way
Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the division
Think his goal return last season is misleading, for every goal he scored I can think of 2 or 3 golden chances missed. The one on ones against Millwall and Wigan and also the one at Birmingham are unforgivable and ultimately sent us down.
He doesn't really offer anything, doesn't create anything, doesn't hold it up, been completely anonymous in three games so far this season.
He won't score the goals to get us promoted, we paid £200k for him. The only way he'll be of any value to us is if we make over £1m on him and allows to make space in both the squad and wage cap.
Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the division
Bowyer, Jackson, Gallen and a quite a few of other club scouts must be idiots for rating him. All this time they could have consulted the football experts on Charlton Life and found out that he’s in fact terrible.
Not only have they worked out something Bowyer and his staff couldn’t, these experts are also able to sign a younger, better striker who is guaranteed to get 20+ goals a season. It’s a shame football clubs neglect all this grassroots scouting on Internet forums, they almost certainly know better than the professionals.
Sarcasm to one side, there’s a nice middle ground between “Bonne will get 25 goals this season guaranteed” and “Bonne is terrible we should accept any offer we get”.
Honestly think the talk of offloading Bonne is nuts. I don't think he's going to get anymore than 15 goals this season, but I'm also struggling to see who we can sign for around 3k a week who is going to do the same, let alone 2 of them as we are already 1 short!
Without the salary cap I'd consider it to help fund a promotion but not with one.
Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the division
Bowyer, Jackson, Gallen and a quite a few of other club scouts must be idiots for rating him. All this time they could have consulted the football experts on Charlton Life and found out that he’s in fact terrible.
Not only have they worked out something Bowyer and his staff couldn’t, these experts are also able to sign a younger, better striker who is guaranteed to get 20+ goals a season. It’s a shame football clubs neglect all this grassroots scouting on Internet forums, they almost certainly know better than the professionals.
Sarcasm to one side, there’s a nice middle ground between “Bonne will get 25 goals this season guaranteed” and “Bonne is terrible we should accept any offer we get”.
I doubt we’re the first set of fans who have differing opinions from their teams manager. Its a game of opinions after all.
Im defo on the middle ground with Bonne, I don’t see him getting the amount of goals Taylor got but also think if played he’ll make double figures. I think if the fee is right and it’s bowyers decision then so be it, he’s replaceable.
Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the division
Bowyer, Jackson, Gallen and a quite a few of other club scouts must be idiots for rating him. All this time they could have consulted the football experts on Charlton Life and found out that he’s in fact terrible.
Not only have they worked out something Bowyer and his staff couldn’t, these experts are also able to sign a younger, better striker who is guaranteed to get 20+ goals a season. It’s a shame football clubs neglect all this grassroots scouting on Internet forums, they almost certainly know better than the professionals.
Sarcasm to one side, there’s a nice middle ground between “Bonne will get 25 goals this season guaranteed” and “Bonne is terrible we should accept any offer we get”.
No-one has said he's terrible just that he's not good enough to warrant turning down a potential £1.3m profit on him when his wages and place in the squad can be used to improve the squad. It may allow us to bring in a promising striker whilst also being able to get a permanent RB for example.
Reality is, if LB wants to get everything he wants/needs then a senior player is probably going to have to go, if it's a choice of Doughty or Bonne then I choose Bonne.
Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the division
Bowyer, Jackson, Gallen and a quite a few of other club scouts must be idiots for rating him. All this time they could have consulted the football experts on Charlton Life and found out that he’s in fact terrible.
Not only have they worked out something Bowyer and his staff couldn’t, these experts are also able to sign a younger, better striker who is guaranteed to get 20+ goals a season. It’s a shame football clubs neglect all this grassroots scouting on Internet forums, they almost certainly know better than the professionals.
Sarcasm to one side, there’s a nice middle ground between “Bonne will get 25 goals this season guaranteed” and “Bonne is terrible we should accept any offer we get”.
If we do now sell Bonne it will be because Gallen, Bowyer et all don't rate him as much as everyone on here does, and the #BigBonneFanClub will have to eat it.
When Bowyer is saying we need to sign a goalscorer because we can't keep missing chance after chance, that's not a endorsement of Bonne's position in the team. That is Bonne's only role in the team.
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So the age of the player doesn't matter?
Would a U21 loanee's salary count at all towards the cap?
Can we really afford to give up someone who really is a talented striker, who runs the right lines? Even if he has been terrible for 4 months.
And again what use is the money for selling him?
You make it sound like 4 months is a short amount of time to be terrible.
He's a 25 year old striker who offers very little and shows no sign of any improvement. Get the cash, free up the wages and get someone else in. There is better options in L2 I'm sure.
e.g the argument is we need a Mendonca / Taylor / Grant / Hunt / Kermogant / BWP type striker and whilst we havent been promoted that often, those are the only guys (in 20-years) that have gone close to twenty goals for us in a season... So why is everyone confident that Bonne's "replacement" can do better than him?
Ive discarded the Premier League strikers for obvious reasons by the way
Think his goal return last season is misleading, for every goal he scored I can think of 2 or 3 golden chances missed. The one on ones against Millwall and Wigan and also the one at Birmingham are unforgivable and ultimately sent us down.
He doesn't really offer anything, doesn't create anything, doesn't hold it up, been completely anonymous in three games so far this season.
He won't score the goals to get us promoted, we paid £200k for him. The only way he'll be of any value to us is if we make over £1m on him and allows to make space in both the squad and wage cap.
Sarcasm to one side, there’s a nice middle ground between “Bonne will get 25 goals this season guaranteed” and “Bonne is terrible we should accept any offer we get”.
I am split as can see the attraction on cashing in and bringing someone else in but part f me thinks we may regret it later on.
Without the salary cap I'd consider it to help fund a promotion but not with one.
Im defo on the middle ground with Bonne, I don’t see him getting the amount of goals Taylor got but also think if played he’ll make double figures. I think if the fee is right and it’s bowyers decision then so be it, he’s replaceable.
No-one has said he's terrible just that he's not good enough to warrant turning down a potential £1.3m profit on him when his wages and place in the squad can be used to improve the squad. It may allow us to bring in a promising striker whilst also being able to get a permanent RB for example.
Reality is, if LB wants to get everything he wants/needs then a senior player is probably going to have to go, if it's a choice of Doughty or Bonne then I choose Bonne.
When Bowyer is saying we need to sign a goalscorer because we can't keep missing chance after chance, that's not a endorsement of Bonne's position in the team. That is Bonne's only role in the team.