Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?
If you are a promotion chasing team, why are you going to sell your best player and potentially ruin that chance. Even if the team buying that player pay over the odds there is no guarantee you will find a suitable replacement.
If you are in a relegation battle why are you going to sell your best player and potentially ruin any chance of survival. Even if the team buying that player pay over the odds there is no guarantee you will find a suitable replacement.
Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?
So we target average players? Do you really believe B&G had a conversation where they decided not to target the best they could get with the money they have, and just said let's do average then
There's good players not playing all over the place.
I think the issue with many fans is they never look at the wider context of football transfers. I believe there is lots more to consider when buying players then whether they are 'average', 'good' etc.
When we have our full team back, and fit, I honestly struggle to see who can bring in this window who would be a guaranteed first team player for us in the long term. As an example does anyone see Armannd Gnandulliet as a long term investment for the squad, is he going to be the striker to take us to the next level? If we got him in now, would his arrival guarantee us not getting relegated. If you don't think that then all of a sudden having to pay an larger fee and an extra 1k a week for him, to potentially be a 3rd or 4th striker does not make sense. Especially when we want to bring other players in and his wage is the basis they go off.
Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?
So we target average players? Do you really believe B&G had a conversation where they decided not to target the best they could get with the money they have, and just said let's do average then
There's good players not playing all over the place.
Eh? The original comment you chose to argue was that we don't want to overpay average players.
We aren't JUST targeting 'average players', thats why the better ones are proving harder to get as its the January transfer window tand we are only half way through it.
You seem to be pushing this 'I know we aren't as rich as everyone else thinks' thing and nobody is arguing with you. We aren't mega rich, but I'm sure we have the budget to buy players like the kid from Blackpool, we just don't want to be taken the piss out of.
Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?
So we target average players? Do you really believe B&G had a conversation where they decided not to target the best they could get with the money they have, and just said let's do average then
There's good players not playing all over the place.
If they're good, why aren't they playing?
Because they're not as good as you would like us to believe.
Competitive squad. Not the managers type of player. Fallen out of favour. Needs a run of games. Out of form. Doesn't fit in. Family hasn't settled in the area. Fans got on their back. Not being played to their strengths. Was played out of position. Doesn't fit the managers strategy. No place in the current formation. Being kept out of side by even better player. Generally undervalued.
Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?
So we target average players? Do you really believe B&G had a conversation where they decided not to target the best they could get with the money they have, and just said let's do average then
There's good players not playing all over the place.
If they're good, why aren't they playing?
Because they're not as good as you would like us to believe.
Not entirely true, I used to play a minor sport at International level, I won't say what because I'd prefer to keep my anonymity, anyway at one point I was the 2nd best player in the country, our team had players from all nationalities etc but I got frozen out the team because of political reasons. To put that back into a footballing perspective, some players don't suit certain styles and some fall out with their managers, it isn't always that they aren't as good.
Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?
If you are a promotion chasing team, why are you going to sell your best player and potentially ruin that chance. Even if the team buying that player pay over the odds there is no guarantee you will find a suitable replacement.
If you are in a relegation battle why are you going to sell your best player and potentially ruin any chance of survival. Even if the team buying that player pay over the odds there is no guarantee you will find a suitable replacement.
Bit like KAG?
Out of Contract in the summer which is the exact sort of player we're currently after - Only the players we're after dont have Roland as an owner!!
Take ESI and their stubborness with letting Taylor leave this month (Unless its a silly offer) and thats the sort of owners we're having to deal with
Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?
So we target average players? Do you really believe B&G had a conversation where they decided not to target the best they could get with the money they have, and just said let's do average then
There's good players not playing all over the place.
If they're good, why aren't they playing?
Because they're not as good as you would like us to believe.
Not entirely true, I used to play a minor sport at International level, I won't say what because I'd prefer to keep my anonymity, anyway at one point I was the 2nd best player in the country, our team had players from all nationalities etc but I got frozen out the team because of political reasons. To put that back into a footballing perspective, some players don't suit certain styles and some fall out with their managers, it isn't always that they aren't as good.
Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?
So we target average players? Do you really believe B&G had a conversation where they decided not to target the best they could get with the money they have, and just said let's do average then
There's good players not playing all over the place.
If they're good, why aren't they playing?
Because they're not as good as you would like us to believe.
Competitive squad. Not the managers type of player. Fallen out of favour. Needs a run of games. Out of form. Doesn't fit in. Family hasn't settled in the area. Fans got on their back. Not being played to their strengths. Was played out of position. Doesn't fit the managers strategy. No place in the current formation. Being kept out of side by even better player. Generally undervalued.
Off the top of my head.
Where did Yann come from?
I absolutely agree with both these points here, and this is fundamentally why, if I owned a football club at our level I would want to stick to a method and a budget. Players who do not do well at some clubs do well at others, and players who are great at some clubs move and then are poor.
Of course there is always a risk involved in anything in life, especially football transfers, but in my opinion as player performance is hardly ever guaranteed you still need to try and be as sensible as possible with your money.
Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?
So we target average players? Do you really believe B&G had a conversation where they decided not to target the best they could get with the money they have, and just said let's do average then
There's good players not playing all over the place.
If they're good, why aren't they playing?
Because they're not as good as you would like us to believe.
Not entirely true, I used to play a minor sport at International level, I won't say what because I'd prefer to keep my anonymity, anyway at one point I was the 2nd best player in the country, our team had players from all nationalities etc but I got frozen out the team because of political reasons. To put that back into a footballing perspective, some players don't suit certain styles and some fall out with their managers, it isn't always that they aren't as good.
I think you have started something now, everybody will be desperate to know the sport.
Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?
So we target average players? Do you really believe B&G had a conversation where they decided not to target the best they could get with the money they have, and just said let's do average then
There's good players not playing all over the place.
If they're good, why aren't they playing?
Because they're not as good as you would like us to believe.
Not entirely true, I used to play a minor sport at International level, I won't say what because I'd prefer to keep my anonymity, anyway at one point I was the 2nd best player in the country, our team had players from all nationalities etc but I got frozen out the team because of political reasons. To put that back into a footballing perspective, some players don't suit certain styles and some fall out with their managers, it isn't always that they aren't as good.
I think you have started something now, everybody will be desperate to know the sport.
Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?
So we target average players? Do you really believe B&G had a conversation where they decided not to target the best they could get with the money they have, and just said let's do average then
There's good players not playing all over the place.
If they're good, why aren't they playing?
Because they're not as good as you would like us to believe.
Well I would guess that between the other London clubs their are 20 players with no chance of playing for their first teams this season who would get a game in our current team.
Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Er unless I've dreamt it I thought it might be something to do with their business model for sustainability over the next five years.
Not sure if you've read Grapevine 49's earlier posts or last night's by iwishidstayedinthepub. These posters are experienced in their respective fields of International Corporate Banking / business dealings and Private Equity ventures. There's a lot of good information to take on board about the integrity, intentions and likely business model of these owners. Southall incidentally, I see as just the front man who has garnered the support of Nimer.
Rome wasn't built in a day and whilst their intentions were good to get new players in and existing contracts sorted it is near nigh impossible during the January transfer window to resolve all these issues. In fact I would say they have impacted badly on each other. It's no good people keeping on and on that they should've done this and should've done that, they haven't for one reason or another and we have to deal with what is in front of us. There are still 18 games and 54 points to play for, 6 wins and 3 draws should see us safe so let's have some patience don't panic (Southall has only officially been holding the reins for 14 working days!) and give the new owners a chance.
As for people misinterpretintg Southall having a contingency in place as acceptance of relegation, all businesses with turnover in the millions will have contingency plans in place in case the sh*t hits the fan! So nothing to see here.
Keep the faith and here's hoping for a point or three from tomorrow's match.
Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?
If you are a promotion chasing team, why are you going to sell your best player and potentially ruin that chance. Even if the team buying that player pay over the odds there is no guarantee you will find a suitable replacement.
If you are in a relegation battle why are you going to sell your best player and potentially ruin any chance of survival. Even if the team buying that player pay over the odds there is no guarantee you will find a suitable replacement.
We’ve done both of those scenarios.........and more times than I care to remember!
Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?
So we target average players? Do you really believe B&G had a conversation where they decided not to target the best they could get with the money they have, and just said let's do average then
There's good players not playing all over the place.
If they're good, why aren't they playing?
Because they're not as good as you would like us to believe.
Not entirely true, I used to play a minor sport at International level, I won't say what because I'd prefer to keep my anonymity, anyway at one point I was the 2nd best player in the country, our team had players from all nationalities etc but I got frozen out the team because of political reasons. To put that back into a footballing perspective, some players don't suit certain styles and some fall out with their managers, it isn't always that they aren't as good.
I think you have started something now, everybody will be desperate to know the sport.
It looks like ESI took the decision to buy Charlton in August or September when we were in form and riding high in the table. The club they have now has nose-dived for reasons we understand. But I do wonder if ESI are geared up for a relegation battle. I don’t see us getting many points from Fulham or Millwall at home, or Brentford or Leeds away. That puts a lot of pressure on the other games, especially six pointers at home to the bottom three.
This season’s plan to have seasoned professionals peppered with quality loanees has backfired with the injuries and Chelsea recalling possibly the best teenage midfielder I’ve seen in a Charlton shirt. I can understand ESI not wanting to waste money on players in this transfer window; they will want to overhaul the squad in the summer when many are out of contract. But the manager who they appear to be backing with a five year contract is publicly calling out for recruits now. I really hope ESI have a credible plan, be it loanees or purchases.
It’s now too late for the Fulham game, but the next eight days really are crucial.
Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-Harris
Can't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Ask yourself why we are having to target average players
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?
So we target average players? Do you really believe B&G had a conversation where they decided not to target the best they could get with the money they have, and just said let's do average then
There's good players not playing all over the place.
I think the issue with many fans is they never look at the wider context of football transfers. I believe there is lots more to consider when buying players then whether they are 'average', 'good' etc.
When we have our full team back, and fit, I honestly struggle to see who can bring in this window who would be a guaranteed first team player for us in the long term. As an example does anyone see Armannd Gnandulliet as a long term investment for the squad, is he going to be the striker to take us to the next level? If we got him in now, would his arrival guarantee us not getting relegated. If you don't think that then all of a sudden having to pay an larger fee and an extra 1k a week for him, to potentially be a 3rd or 4th striker does not make sense. Especially when we want to bring other players in and his wage is the basis they go off.
That's the beauty of a player like that though mate, he would be cheap and if it didn't pan out there is always a chance you can move him on again, always a club willing to take a chance. Been loads of these types over the years. We have an idea of what Blackpools wage bill is from that article, I would say he is on about no more than 3k a week, if we paid a fee of 650k and offered let's say 4.5k on a 3 year contract (just a guess) that's 1,352,000 over that time period. Very little risk in modern football, especially if we get better than him down the line and can probably move him on for a decent 6 figure sum, get him off the wage book.
I can see why Charlton aren't buying these players who have the ability to step up seeing as they're free in the summer, it's a very dangerous game though. We are very far down the list in this league when it comes to wages and general team ability so we will struggle to attract players.
I would say a contingency might have been bring in a player or two on loan who is/are better than one of the not ready youngsters we have had to rely on in January. Where games have been close, they may have made a difference. Hardly reaching for the stars and totally doable.
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When we have our full team back, and fit, I honestly struggle to see who can bring in this window who would be a guaranteed first team player for us in the long term. As an example does anyone see Armannd Gnandulliet as a long term investment for the squad, is he going to be the striker to take us to the next level? If we got him in now, would his arrival guarantee us not getting relegated. If you don't think that then all of a sudden having to pay an larger fee and an extra 1k a week for him, to potentially be a 3rd or 4th striker does not make sense. Especially when we want to bring other players in and his wage is the basis they go off.
We aren't JUST targeting 'average players', thats why the better ones are proving harder to get as its the January transfer window tand we are only half way through it.
You seem to be pushing this 'I know we aren't as rich as everyone else thinks' thing and nobody is arguing with you. We aren't mega rich, but I'm sure we have the budget to buy players like the kid from Blackpool, we just don't want to be taken the piss out of.
Off the top of my head.
Where did Yann come from?
Take ESI and their stubborness with letting Taylor leave this month (Unless its a silly offer) and thats the sort of owners we're having to deal with
Of course there is always a risk involved in anything in life, especially football transfers, but in my opinion as player performance is hardly ever guaranteed you still need to try and be as sensible as possible with your money.
I am going to start with Hockey?
LTKapal is a Professional on Dancing on Ice, knows who has won already so cant release details due to the strict ITV NDA
Not sure if you've read Grapevine 49's earlier posts or last night's by iwishidstayedinthepub. These posters are experienced in their respective fields of International Corporate Banking / business dealings and Private Equity ventures. There's a lot of good information to take on board about the integrity, intentions and likely business model of these owners. Southall incidentally, I see as just the front man who has garnered the support of Nimer.
Rome wasn't built in a day and whilst their intentions were good to get new players in and existing contracts sorted it is near nigh impossible during the January transfer window to resolve all these issues. In fact I would say they have impacted badly on each other. It's no good people keeping on and on that they should've done this and should've done that, they haven't for one reason or another and we have to deal with what is in front of us. There are still 18 games and 54 points to play for, 6 wins and 3 draws should see us safe so let's have some patience don't panic (Southall has only officially been holding the reins for 14 working days!) and give the new owners a chance.
As for people misinterpretintg Southall having a contingency in place as acceptance of relegation, all businesses with turnover in the millions will have contingency plans in place in case the sh*t hits the fan! So nothing to see here.
Keep the faith and here's hoping for a point or three from tomorrow's match.
The "game" ends when the window closes.
If our target clubs/players fold early in our favour we do the deal.
We might fold early, pay more than we want and do a deal.
If none of the parties fold before deadline day it goes to the wire.
Most parties go to deadline day.
I can't be certain we'll win the game.
The most likely outcome is we're just going to have to wait and see how this plays out.
We must have funds, EFL wouldn't have approved the takeover.
It is more about whether we are willing to pay the asking prices.
Everyone knows this, it's just that some are refusing to accept the reality.
He certainly didn't sound like some who was happy to wait until the 31st January
https://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-boss-lee-bowyer-wants-bodies-in-before-fulham-and-reveals-unusual-offer-has-come-in-for-lyle-taylor/
It looks like ESI took the decision to buy Charlton in August or September when we were in form and riding high in the table. The club they have now has nose-dived for reasons we understand. But I do wonder if ESI are geared up for a relegation battle. I don’t see us getting many points from Fulham or Millwall at home, or Brentford or Leeds away. That puts a lot of pressure on the other games, especially six pointers at home to the bottom three.
This season’s plan to have seasoned professionals peppered with quality loanees has backfired with the injuries and Chelsea recalling possibly the best teenage midfielder I’ve seen in a Charlton shirt. I can understand ESI not wanting to waste money on players in this transfer window; they will want to overhaul the squad in the summer when many are out of contract. But the manager who they appear to be backing with a five year contract is publicly calling out for recruits now. I really hope ESI have a credible plan, be it loanees or purchases.
It’s now too late for the Fulham game, but the next eight days really are crucial.
I can see why Charlton aren't buying these players who have the ability to step up seeing as they're free in the summer, it's a very dangerous game though. We are very far down the list in this league when it comes to wages and general team ability so we will struggle to attract players.