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January 2020 transfer rumours thread (Deadline Day starts Page 283)

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  • Realistically we're not going to get anything over the line until toward the end of the window. It's frustrating but better than being mugged off on price. 
  • Question - Did Cawley know anything about Green prior to the announcement from the club?
    He reported a loan deal would be done tomorrow morning on 01/01 and Green signed on 02/01.
  • I hope for Bow’s sake that he gets at least one better than we have fully fit midfielder in before midday’s deadline, but gut says he won’t and we will be left hoping that we can keep it super tight against Fulham until the 60th minute - cue Jonny, Josh and Lyle...
  • edited January 2020
    That’s that for today then, we should have been getting them in for cameos/1st starts Vs Preston/Fulham then all systems go for judgement month of February, instead we are dragging our heals again, not good at all this.
  • How often is Cawley left in the dark? Not very often from what I remember. I'll be turning their notifications off
    Dont forget that Cawley in the past has mentioned / claimed his contact is Bowyer himself when he gets this information
  • There's a chance Bowyer himself is holding up deals. He said players want to know he's signed a new contract. But he's still holding out on signing it. 
  • Bowyer said it was his contract situation holding up signings ----- still not done
    Bowyer said he wanted PLAYERS in before the Fulham game ----- nothing

    Hey apparently we will be fine AFTER the Fulham game and anybody concerned about the above or ESI's lack of dosh (possibly) or 5points out of 48 is a bed weter? 

    If like to say than fec k Rolands gone but he hasn't he still owns The Valley ,he still owns Sparrows Lane. At the moment I see no change at all 
    What you have observed is what is known as the uncomfortable truth.
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  • Bowyer said it was his contract situation holding up signings ----- still not done
    Bowyer said he wanted PLAYERS in before the Fulham game ----- nothing

    Hey apparently we will be fine AFTER the Fulham game and anybody concerned about the above or ESI's lack of dosh (possibly) or 5points out of 48 is a bed weter? 

    If like to say than fec k Rolands gone but he hasn't he still owns The Valley ,he still owns Sparrows Lane. At the moment I see no change at all 
    I think they spent all of their money on the PR budget.
  • edited January 2020
    Bowyer said it was his contract situation holding up signings ----- still not done
    Bowyer said he wanted PLAYERS in before the Fulham game ----- nothing

    Hey apparently we will be fine AFTER the Fulham game and anybody concerned about the above or ESI's lack of dosh (possibly) or 5points out of 48 is a bed weter? 

    If like to say than fec k Rolands gone but he hasn't he still owns The Valley ,he still owns Sparrows Lane. At the moment I see no change at all 
    Why have they got a lack of dosh? We know they are making offers for players but teams are moving the goal post at the last minute (Blackpool being one example). 

    We’ve offered cash for Maddison and a wage which their chairman and manager have stated as good, but the player obviously doesn’t want to come here. How is that esi’s fault or how does that suggest a lack of funds?

    Ive never bought a footballer, assuming 99.9% of people on here haven’t either. I’m guessing it takes time, say it’s 1 working week. If we spent a week on Maddison and he turned us down and the process starts again, that’s 2 weeks gone of a 4 week window.

    I know  it’s frustrating that nobody has signed yet but people turning on esi after 3 weeks and stating they have no money without proof is just ridiculous. 


    The proof is this: We turned down a player for an extra 1k a week. We haven't signed anyone but a loan player. The chairman, owner and our manager have said numerous times that the squad will be built slowly by promoting youth and buying from lower leagues (if you have money, is that your strategy?) Contract negotiations are dragging on and on and on. 

    What proof is there we have money? Only that we bid for Maddison? He's got 6 months left on his contract and he's definitely not staying there. I doubt it took a lot.
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  • Bowyer said it was his contract situation holding up signings ----- still not done
    Bowyer said he wanted PLAYERS in before the Fulham game ----- nothing

    Hey apparently we will be fine AFTER the Fulham game and anybody concerned about the above or ESI's lack of dosh (possibly) or 5points out of 48 is a bed weter? 

    If like to say than fec k Rolands gone but he hasn't he still owns The Valley ,he still owns Sparrows Lane. At the moment I see no change at all 
    Why have they got a lack of dosh? We know they are making offers for players but teams are moving the goal post at the last minute (Blackpool being one example). 

    We’ve offered cash for Maddison and a wage which their chairman and manager have stated as good, but the player obviously doesn’t want to come here. How is that esi’s fault or how does that suggest a lack of funds?

    Ive never bought a footballer, assuming 99.9% of people on here haven’t either. I’m guessing it takes time, say it’s 1 working week. If we spent a week on Maddison and he turned us down and the process starts again, that’s 2 weeks gone of a 4 week window.

    I know  it’s frustrating that nobody has signed yet but people turning on esi after 3 weeks and stating they have no money without proof is just ridiculous. 


    Blackpool didn't move the goalposts at the "last minute"

    They asked for one price in the summer and then a higher price five months and 15 goals later in January.
    Which suggests that esi have a plan and a budget and are not prepared to pay over the top prices.  It doesn’t prove they are skint.
    Unless you want no signings in January you better hope you’re wrong.
  • Chunes said:
    Bowyer said it was his contract situation holding up signings ----- still not done
    Bowyer said he wanted PLAYERS in before the Fulham game ----- nothing

    Hey apparently we will be fine AFTER the Fulham game and anybody concerned about the above or ESI's lack of dosh (possibly) or 5points out of 48 is a bed weter? 

    If like to say than fec k Rolands gone but he hasn't he still owns The Valley ,he still owns Sparrows Lane. At the moment I see no change at all 
    Why have they got a lack of dosh? We know they are making offers for players but teams are moving the goal post at the last minute (Blackpool being one example). 

    We’ve offered cash for Maddison and a wage which their chairman and manager have stated as good, but the player obviously doesn’t want to come here. How is that esi’s fault or how does that suggest a lack of funds?

    Ive never bought a footballer, assuming 99.9% of people on here haven’t either. I’m guessing it takes time, say it’s 1 working week. If we spent a week on Maddison and he turned us down and the process starts again, that’s 2 weeks gone of a 4 week window.

    I know  it’s frustrating that nobody has signed yet but people turning on esi after 3 weeks and stating they have no money without proof is just ridiculous. 


    The proof is this: We turned down a player for an extra 1k a week. We haven't signed anyone but a loan player. The chairman, owner and our manager have said numerous times that the squad will be built slowly by promoting youth and buying from lower leagues (if you have money, is that your strategy?) Contract negotiations are dragging on and on and on. 

    What proof is there we have money? Only that we bid for Maddison? He's got 6 months left on his contract and he's definitely not staying there. I doubt it took a lot.
    Southall asked gallen if he was worth it which suggests to me that there was scope to negotiate. Gallen said no! Southall’s fault???

    nothing wrong with promoting youth and buying young cheap hungry players if they are good enough and then developing them and selling them at a profit. Seems to be working for Brentford! Or we could do a derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Birmingham etc and have the threat of an efl charge and points deduction.

    we've had a minimum of 9 years of bad ownership but yet people are judging the new owners on 3 weeks. If not all the turnstiles are open on Wednesday, I’m boycotting!!!!
  • Bowyer said it was his contract situation holding up signings ----- still not done
    Bowyer said he wanted PLAYERS in before the Fulham game ----- nothing

    Hey apparently we will be fine AFTER the Fulham game and anybody concerned about the above or ESI's lack of dosh (possibly) or 5points out of 48 is a bed weter? 

    If like to say than fec k Rolands gone but he hasn't he still owns The Valley ,he still owns Sparrows Lane. At the moment I see no change at all 
    Why have they got a lack of dosh? We know they are making offers for players but teams are moving the goal post at the last minute (Blackpool being one example). 

    We’ve offered cash for Maddison and a wage which their chairman and manager have stated as good, but the player obviously doesn’t want to come here. How is that esi’s fault or how does that suggest a lack of funds?

    Ive never bought a footballer, assuming 99.9% of people on here haven’t either. I’m guessing it takes time, say it’s 1 working week. If we spent a week on Maddison and he turned us down and the process starts again, that’s 2 weeks gone of a 4 week window.

    I know  it’s frustrating that nobody has signed yet but people turning on esi after 3 weeks and stating they have no money without proof is just ridiculous. 


    Blackpool didn't move the goalposts at the "last minute"

    They asked for one price in the summer and then a higher price five months and 15 goals later in January.
    Which suggests that esi have a plan and a budget and are not prepared to pay over the top prices.  It doesn’t prove they are skint.
    Over the top price or the market rate. His goals increase his value
    Exactly. I should imagine Macauley Bonne's value has massively increased in the same way. 
  • edited January 2020
    One poster, who was out of order, suggested a few days ago that I must think Bowyer and Gallen were cretins. Of course I don't, I think they are both great at their jobs. I just understand that even a poor manager would want some reinforcements in as early into the window as possible, given the extreme circumstances we found ourselves in with injuries, so it is a no brainer they would have wanted the same.

    If you want to look at some positive statements a manager who is in the process of negotiating a contract is making, you shouldn't forget the negative clues. Like the 'strange' comment. like being angry at what Southall said originally about Bowyer being happy to wait, about potential signings asking about Bowyer's future. like explaining why a 5 year deal means nothing in itself and what Bowyer said after Preston. These are things to worry about and put them alongside the fact that no contract has been signed and there is a message that some of us can reluctantly see and some are choosing to ignore.  
  • Bowyer said it was his contract situation holding up signings ----- still not done
    Bowyer said he wanted PLAYERS in before the Fulham game ----- nothing

    Hey apparently we will be fine AFTER the Fulham game and anybody concerned about the above or ESI's lack of dosh (possibly) or 5points out of 48 is a bed weter? 

    If like to say than fec k Rolands gone but he hasn't he still owns The Valley ,he still owns Sparrows Lane. At the moment I see no change at all 
    Why have they got a lack of dosh? We know they are making offers for players but teams are moving the goal post at the last minute (Blackpool being one example). 

    We’ve offered cash for Maddison and a wage which their chairman and manager have stated as good, but the player obviously doesn’t want to come here. How is that esi’s fault or how does that suggest a lack of funds?

    Ive never bought a footballer, assuming 99.9% of people on here haven’t either. I’m guessing it takes time, say it’s 1 working week. If we spent a week on Maddison and he turned us down and the process starts again, that’s 2 weeks gone of a 4 week window.

    I know  it’s frustrating that nobody has signed yet but people turning on esi after 3 weeks and stating they have no money without proof is just ridiculous. 


    Blackpool didn't move the goalposts at the "last minute"

    They asked for one price in the summer and then a higher price five months and 15 goals later in January.
    Which suggests that esi have a plan and a budget and are not prepared to pay over the top prices.  It doesn’t prove they are skint.
    Over the top price or the market rate. His goals increase his value
    Don’t know, I haven’t seen the written offers so I can’t comment on if I think they are the over the top or fair, I’m assuming you haven’t seen them either?

    im assuming both bids were prepared by gallen, if he says that the player isn’t worth it then that works for me. If southall pulled out the deal after gallen said the player was worth it, then yea, worry. But where is the evidence that this happened? Where is the evidence that esi are skint? Maybe you should practice what you preach and wait until a statement saying esi are skint is out on the official web site
  • edited January 2020
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer said it was his contract situation holding up signings ----- still not done
    Bowyer said he wanted PLAYERS in before the Fulham game ----- nothing

    Hey apparently we will be fine AFTER the Fulham game and anybody concerned about the above or ESI's lack of dosh (possibly) or 5points out of 48 is a bed weter? 

    If like to say than fec k Rolands gone but he hasn't he still owns The Valley ,he still owns Sparrows Lane. At the moment I see no change at all 
    Why have they got a lack of dosh? We know they are making offers for players but teams are moving the goal post at the last minute (Blackpool being one example). 

    We’ve offered cash for Maddison and a wage which their chairman and manager have stated as good, but the player obviously doesn’t want to come here. How is that esi’s fault or how does that suggest a lack of funds?

    Ive never bought a footballer, assuming 99.9% of people on here haven’t either. I’m guessing it takes time, say it’s 1 working week. If we spent a week on Maddison and he turned us down and the process starts again, that’s 2 weeks gone of a 4 week window.

    I know  it’s frustrating that nobody has signed yet but people turning on esi after 3 weeks and stating they have no money without proof is just ridiculous. 


    The proof is this: We turned down a player for an extra 1k a week. We haven't signed anyone but a loan player. The chairman, owner and our manager have said numerous times that the squad will be built slowly by promoting youth and buying from lower leagues (if you have money, is that your strategy?) Contract negotiations are dragging on and on and on. 

    What proof is there we have money? Only that we bid for Maddison? He's got 6 months left on his contract and he's definitely not staying there. I doubt it took a lot.
    Southall asked gallen if he was worth it which suggests to me that there was scope to negotiate. Gallen said no! Southall’s fault???

    nothing wrong with promoting youth and buying young cheap hungry players if they are good enough and then developing them and selling them at a profit. Seems to be working for Brentford! Or we could do a derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Birmingham etc and have the threat of an efl charge and points deduction.

    we've had a minimum of 9 years of bad ownership but yet people are judging the new owners on 3 weeks. If not all the turnstiles are open on Wednesday, I’m boycotting!!!!
    Who is judging? I fully support the new owners, I just happen to BELIEVE them. 

    They said they will build the squad slowly and not splash the cash and many on here were in dreamland saying it was a smokescreen to get cheaper prices on big players. 

    I believe they're adapting their plan to their budget.

    I'm fine with the strategy and their cash flow, I just think everyone needs to realign their expectations. 
  • Simonsen said:
    Bowyer said it was his contract situation holding up signings ----- still not done
    Bowyer said he wanted PLAYERS in before the Fulham game ----- nothing

    Hey apparently we will be fine AFTER the Fulham game and anybody concerned about the above or ESI's lack of dosh (possibly) or 5points out of 48 is a bed weter? 

    If like to say than fec k Rolands gone but he hasn't he still owns The Valley ,he still owns Sparrows Lane. At the moment I see no change at all 
    Why have they got a lack of dosh? We know they are making offers for players but teams are moving the goal post at the last minute (Blackpool being one example). 

    We’ve offered cash for Maddison and a wage which their chairman and manager have stated as good, but the player obviously doesn’t want to come here. How is that esi’s fault or how does that suggest a lack of funds?

    Ive never bought a footballer, assuming 99.9% of people on here haven’t either. I’m guessing it takes time, say it’s 1 working week. If we spent a week on Maddison and he turned us down and the process starts again, that’s 2 weeks gone of a 4 week window.

    I know  it’s frustrating that nobody has signed yet but people turning on esi after 3 weeks and stating they have no money without proof is just ridiculous. 


    Blackpool didn't move the goalposts at the "last minute"

    They asked for one price in the summer and then a higher price five months and 15 goals later in January.
    Which suggests that esi have a plan and a budget and are not prepared to pay over the top prices.  It doesn’t prove they are skint.
    Over the top price or the market rate. His goals increase his value
    Exactly. I should imagine Macauley Bonne's value has massively increased in the same way.
    Y





    Yes, perfect comparison.

    If Forest or Brentford said 

    "We'll give you £200k for Bonne cos that's what the price was in July"

    We'd laugh at them but isn't that all that Blackpool have done?

    If Gallen doesnt think the Blackpool striker is worth that much then I'm happy with that.

    Personally I'm frustrated that we've not signed players, or the coaches, but realise that it's never easy and rarely straight forward.

    The time, IMHO, to judge the window is once it's closed but fans are entitled to question what has and hasn't happened so far and to discuss the business plan without being called "bedwetters".

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
  • Bowyer said it was his contract situation holding up signings ----- still not done
    Bowyer said he wanted PLAYERS in before the Fulham game ----- nothing

    Hey apparently we will be fine AFTER the Fulham game and anybody concerned about the above or ESI's lack of dosh (possibly) or 5points out of 48 is a bed weter? 

    If like to say than fec k Rolands gone but he hasn't he still owns The Valley ,he still owns Sparrows Lane. At the moment I see no change at all 
    Why have they got a lack of dosh? We know they are making offers for players but teams are moving the goal post at the last minute (Blackpool being one example). 

    We’ve offered cash for Maddison and a wage which their chairman and manager have stated as good, but the player obviously doesn’t want to come here. How is that esi’s fault or how does that suggest a lack of funds?

    Ive never bought a footballer, assuming 99.9% of people on here haven’t either. I’m guessing it takes time, say it’s 1 working week. If we spent a week on Maddison and he turned us down and the process starts again, that’s 2 weeks gone of a 4 week window.

    I know  it’s frustrating that nobody has signed yet but people turning on esi after 3 weeks and stating they have no money without proof is just ridiculous. 


    Blackpool didn't move the goalposts at the "last minute"

    They asked for one price in the summer and then a higher price five months and 15 goals later in January.
    Which suggests that esi have a plan and a budget and are not prepared to pay over the top prices.  It doesn’t prove they are skint.
    Over the top price or the market rate. His goals increase his value
    Plus 650k is chump change for a league 1 striker nowdays, we paid 200k for Bonne from non league, two division jump there 
  • Problem is no one has a clue how much money is available as we’ve seen no evidence of it, so we all draw our own conclusions based on imperfect info.

    For me, I suspect there is some budget there based on the Maddison negotiations alone, but it appears they’ve made a fundamental miscalculation as to how much it takes to get players through the door in the brutal January window.

    Clearly, if that’s right, then sights need to be quickly readjusted if we’re to have a good chance of avoiding relegation. ESI will have to compromise in some direction e.g. paying Maddison a bit more even though he seems a bit of a dick, but he also seems a very good player who is nearly ‘there’. Would hope there will be a flurry of activity next week, not the end of the world if we lose tomorrow night.


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