They would be obliged simples. A complete change in government and political landscape in UK would require it. And has just been ruled Article 50 can be suspended/reversed easily.
A complete change in the political landscape in the UK doesn't change very much for the EU.
It has been ruled that Article 50 can be cancelled easily. Suspension requires unanimous agreement of all 27 member states. Simples.
Slow tide turn for May today. I have a sneaking suspicion she'll get the majority, if not all of her party on side should she get what she's after. Down to the DUP then.
Bear in mind that is only to travel. Work, study, and other non-tourist visas will generally be down to individual countries unless some agreement is made.
Also bear in mind that it's only that cost every three years.
These things make the headlines but in the grand scheme of things are completely inconsequential to an individual.
Oh really? Well perhaps you can help me with this then. I will get Czech citizenship but probably it won't come through until around early 2020. So lets say in May I come over for a play-off game. (I'm feeling optimistic today). Will I need a frigging neo-visa thing to get back home? Will my Czech residence card be needed, and be enough, to let me get on the plane? Suppose I take the slow way home by train for whatever reason, stopping off maybe to shout at Roland? I need one of these things for that?
Well, they can fuck right off.
I don't know.
But if spending 10 minutes to fill out a form is having that much of an impact on your life then I think you're probably doing OK.
I'm a remainer, and yes, little things like this are an annoyance but I feel there are bigger societal, political and trade issues to focus on, rather than something that many of us do already for the likes of Turkey and the States.
It is a symbol of the nonsense that is Brexit. Filling out frigging forms, just to travel the same distance as from London to Aberdeen. Or indeed 20 miles from Dover.
I know you are a Remainer and I know too that you travel in the EU. But I suppose that if you haven't lived on the mainland you don't understand properly the benefits of freedom of movement. Take Alsace. The French drive across the bridge to work in Germany. The Germans drive across in the opposite direction for lunch. Every Spring I do a big household shop across the border in Bavaria. Once I even forgot to take my passport. Didnt matter, nobody cares.
That stupid form will be an enduring reminder of the idiocy of Brexit. For me, freedom includes the freedom not to have to fill in a form for permission to do the most mundane things. The whole idea of the Single Market is to get away from all that shit.
Meanwhile for @McBobbin . Honest i am not shooting the messenger, but I asked my nephew over WhatsApp about your sixth form class. Here is the verbatim:
Hi Louis. Funny sounding question for you. When you were a sixth former at school, did you have a good idea about the cost of housing? And what about your classmates? Was it something you discussed with each other or in class?
LOL not at all. You dont have the slightest clue about housing until unless you have been exposed to it in some way - IE living on your own, or yoh have family the rents out properties etc. No1 in 6th form has a clue about it otherwise. Most people, even in a grammar school, will be focussed on "what uni do I go / do I want to go abroad / what do I want to study" I personally would follow cost of housing vaguely, but had very little understanding about it from a personal perspective, everything I knew was how economics would relate to housing market etc.
It was never, ever ever discussed amongst friends in 6th form. Only uni.
Slow tide turn for May today. I have a sneaking suspicion she'll get the majority, if not all of her party on side should she get what she's after. Down to the DUP then.
Not sure where you get that from. Short of removing the backstop, it can't be sold to enough people irrespective of assurances that nobody wants to use it.
I would say it does, it could affect the type of deal or Remain, and they actually want us to stay if you’ve listened to what has been said over the last few years.
I wouldn’t be so sure they wouldn’t ‘agree’ to suspend it particularly as the UK can now do it effectively anyway by withdrawing then resubmitting whenever albeit for another 2 years, although even that could be negotiated I expect.
The point I am making is they would be more open to renegotiating after an election if it changed things drastically. Anything else wouldn’t make sense in the political and legal reality. And there is time for an election.
It’s an intriguing situation though and although we’re all very bored of it there is another side of it that fascinates as to what the heck is going to happen next and more so after that.
Meanwhile for @McBobbin . Honest i am not shooting the messenger, but I asked my nephew over WhatsApp about your sixth form class. Here is the verbatim:
Hi Louis. Funny sounding question for you. When you were a sixth former at school, did you have a good idea about the cost of housing? And what about your classmates? Was it something you discussed with each other or in class?
LOL not at all. You dont have the slightest clue about housing until unless you have been exposed to it in some way - IE living on your own, or yoh have family the rents out properties etc. No1 in 6th form has a clue about it otherwise. Most people, even in a grammar school, will be focussed on "what uni do I go / do I want to go abroad / what do I want to study" I personally would follow cost of housing vaguely, but had very little understanding about it from a personal perspective, everything I knew was how economics would relate to housing market etc.
It was never, ever ever discussed amongst friends in 6th form. Only uni.
I'm starting to wonder about that teacher...:-)
Possible contender for CharltonLife's Didn't Happen Award for 2018?
Any idea if this payment to visit Europe thing will be the case for UK citizens living in EU countries who want to visit other EU countries?
It's for British citizens and visitors to mainland Europe from Britain. Further details haven't been announced yet.
As my wife is American and probably won't have to get anything to travel to another European country but I as a Brit will, it seems a ridiculous situation - sadly symbolic of how silly Brexit is.
Having an election to elect another party who have similarly contradictory red lines (this time called “six tests”) is an utter waste of time.
Labour should be bringing a motion to revoke Article 50 on Monday and then we can take it from there without this ticking clock hanging over our heads.
Any idea if this payment to visit Europe thing will be the case for UK citizens living in EU countries who want to visit other EU countries?
It's for British citizens and visitors to mainland Europe from Britain. Further details haven't been announced yet.
As my wife is American and probably won't have to get anything to travel to another European country but I as a Brit will, it seems a ridiculous situation - sadly symbolic of how silly Brexit is.
Any idea if this payment to visit Europe thing will be the case for UK citizens living in EU countries who want to visit other EU countries?
That's what I asked myself, but almost certainly we are Ok because we are all inside Schengen. It's just when you want to go 'home" that it starts to become a bureaucracy.
I would suppose too, that if you are flying back to Spain from the UK, it ought to be enough at the airport to produce a permanent residency card, because you are going to your real current 'home' but I wouldn't count on it without it being very specifically made clear first. And if you went back by train, they could say 'how can we be sure you are not secretly going somewhere else, you suspicious looking character?"
Any idea if this payment to visit Europe thing will be the case for UK citizens living in EU countries who want to visit other EU countries?
It's for British citizens and visitors to mainland Europe from Britain. Further details haven't been announced yet.
As my wife is American and probably won't have to get anything to travel to another European country but I as a Brit will, it seems a ridiculous situation - sadly symbolic of how silly Brexit is.
Surely you'd apply for residency/long term visa?
I do have residency but don't know if that means I will be able to visit other EU countries as freely or will have to complete this application. Will have to look into it - don't mind the cost particularly but it just seems a massive backward step in our place in the world.
Having an election to elect another party who have similarly contradictory red lines (this time called “six tests”) is an utter waste of time.
Labour should be bringing a motion to revoke Article 50 on Monday and then we can take it from there without this ticking clock hanging over our heads.
Certainly not advocating it believe me. You’re right tho we cant hurtle over this cliff.
Any idea if this payment to visit Europe thing will be the case for UK citizens living in EU countries who want to visit other EU countries?
It's for British citizens and visitors to mainland Europe from Britain. Further details haven't been announced yet.
As my wife is American and probably won't have to get anything to travel to another European country but I as a Brit will, it seems a ridiculous situation - sadly symbolic of how silly Brexit is.
Surely you'd apply for residency/long term visa?
I do have residency but don't know if that means I will be able to visit other EU countries as freely or will have to complete this application. Will have to look into it - don't mind the cost particularly but it just seems a massive backward step in our place in the world.
Do you have an ID card that is proof of residency? If so you can currently travel across Schengen borders with just that, no passport needed, and that ought not to change. But your residency status is different to mine as I recall as your wife is not a Spanish citizen, so as you say, best to check. Let us know.
Any idea if this payment to visit Europe thing will be the case for UK citizens living in EU countries who want to visit other EU countries?
It's for British citizens and visitors to mainland Europe from Britain. Further details haven't been announced yet.
As my wife is American and probably won't have to get anything to travel to another European country but I as a Brit will, it seems a ridiculous situation - sadly symbolic of how silly Brexit is.
Surely you'd apply for residency/long term visa?
I do have residency but don't know if that means I will be able to visit other EU countries as freely or will have to complete this application. Will have to look into it - don't mind the cost particularly but it just seems a massive backward step in our place in the world.
They haven't set out the criteria for that yet but you'd assume Spanish residency should mean you're OK.
The last few days have really exposed one of the crippling failures of the negotiation process: May's total inability to actually state what she wants to achieve.
Given her more or less weekly speech from outside Number 10, as well as various press releases from her office, May's English, for a a native speaker, is absolutely abysmal. She lacks the ability to say anything coherently or speak in anything other than vague, meaningless platitudes. She has a habit of approaching a podium, talking uninterrupted for 10 minutes, and leaving without actually having said anything of substance.
Imagine how this appears to the other EU countries. In my experience, Europeans tend to be far more straight talking and blunt than Brits. This can sometimes come off as rude to Brits but really they just want to speak plainly and to the point. Most of the other main people in the EU leadership seem to have a better grasp of English than May has managed to achieve. So they are, righfully, frustrated that this feeble-minded time-waster keeps coming back to them with total guff dressed up as diplomatic relations and expecting them to budge on their position.
May seems to have some sort of crippling disorder. Her social skills are non-existent, she seems oblivious to the concept that she could ever be wrong or at fault and completely unaware of the implications of the things that happen around her, as well as her inappropriate reactions to events, such as accosting Juncker after Juncker correctly called the latest set of proposals from the UK nebulous.
The sad truth is, there may be good reason to reopen the negotiations to get a deal Parliament would accept. But that cannot happen while May continues to lead the dialogue because not a single person seems to be able to glean any kind of credible and useful information from her.
Perhaps I’m not understanding this correctly but there’s a fee being imposed of 7euro for brits crossing the border into Europe, I assume this applies also for the northern Irish entering Southern Ireland. Seems a bit weird to me a I thought it was meant to be borderless crossing, so how will the Europeans know who to charge and who not to? Or if that doesn’t apply to NI then surely they are being treated differently to main land Britain? Confused not understanding probably?
Perhaps I’m not understanding this correctly but there’s a fee being imposed of 7euro for brits crossing the border into Europe, I assume this applies also for the northern Irish entering Southern Ireland. Seems a bit weird to me a I thought it was meant to be borderless crossing, so how will the Europeans know who to charge and who not to? Or if that doesn’t apply to NI then surely they are being treated differently to main land Britain? Confused not understanding probably?
It looks like it's a new Schengen rule. Ireland is not in Schengen. Not sure if people travelling from Ireland will require this form if they travel to France etc
Say May was to bring the vote forwards on her plan to next week - what does she do when it is defeated? I suspect she wants the time to think of the answer to that question!
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It has been ruled that Article 50 can be cancelled easily. Suspension requires unanimous agreement of all 27 member states. Simples.
I have a sneaking suspicion she'll get the majority, if not all of her party on side should she get what she's after.
Down to the DUP then.
I know you are a Remainer and I know too that you travel in the EU. But I suppose that if you haven't lived on the mainland you don't understand properly the benefits of freedom of movement. Take Alsace. The French drive across the bridge to work in Germany. The Germans drive across in the opposite direction for lunch. Every Spring I do a big household shop across the border in Bavaria. Once I even forgot to take my passport. Didnt matter, nobody cares.
That stupid form will be an enduring reminder of the idiocy of Brexit. For me, freedom includes the freedom not to have to fill in a form for permission to do the most mundane things. The whole idea of the Single Market is to get away from all that shit.
Hi Louis. Funny sounding question for you. When you were a sixth former at school, did you have a good idea about the cost of housing? And what about your classmates? Was it something you discussed with each other or in class?
LOL not at all. You dont have the slightest clue about housing until unless you have been exposed to it in some way - IE living on your own, or yoh have family the rents out properties etc. No1 in 6th form has a clue about it otherwise. Most people, even in a grammar school, will be focussed on "what uni do I go / do I want to go abroad / what do I want to study" I personally would follow cost of housing vaguely, but had very little understanding about it from a personal perspective, everything I knew was how economics would relate to housing market etc.
It was never, ever ever discussed amongst friends in 6th form. Only uni.
I'm starting to wonder about that teacher...:-)
I wouldn’t be so sure they wouldn’t ‘agree’ to suspend it particularly as the UK can now do it effectively anyway by withdrawing then resubmitting whenever albeit for another 2 years, although even that could be negotiated I expect.
The point I am making is they would be more open to renegotiating after an election if it changed things drastically. Anything else wouldn’t make sense in the political and legal reality. And there is time for an election.
It’s an intriguing situation though and although we’re all very bored of it there is another side of it that fascinates as to what the heck is going to happen next and more so after that.
Labour should be bringing a motion to revoke Article 50 on Monday and then we can take it from there without this ticking clock hanging over our heads.
I would suppose too, that if you are flying back to Spain from the UK, it ought to be enough at the airport to produce a permanent residency card, because you are going to your real current 'home' but I wouldn't count on it without it being very specifically made clear first. And if you went back by train, they could say 'how can we be sure you are not secretly going somewhere else, you suspicious looking character?"
Given her more or less weekly speech from outside Number 10, as well as various press releases from her office, May's English, for a a native speaker, is absolutely abysmal. She lacks the ability to say anything coherently or speak in anything other than vague, meaningless platitudes. She has a habit of approaching a podium, talking uninterrupted for 10 minutes, and leaving without actually having said anything of substance.
Imagine how this appears to the other EU countries. In my experience, Europeans tend to be far more straight talking and blunt than Brits. This can sometimes come off as rude to Brits but really they just want to speak plainly and to the point. Most of the other main people in the EU leadership seem to have a better grasp of English than May has managed to achieve. So they are, righfully, frustrated that this feeble-minded time-waster keeps coming back to them with total guff dressed up as diplomatic relations and expecting them to budge on their position.
May seems to have some sort of crippling disorder. Her social skills are non-existent, she seems oblivious to the concept that she could ever be wrong or at fault and completely unaware of the implications of the things that happen around her, as well as her inappropriate reactions to events, such as accosting Juncker after Juncker correctly called the latest set of proposals from the UK nebulous.
The sad truth is, there may be good reason to reopen the negotiations to get a deal Parliament would accept. But that cannot happen while May continues to lead the dialogue because not a single person seems to be able to glean any kind of credible and useful information from her.
By the time this visa come in Charlton will be playing in Europe.
That extra 7 Euros could be difference between going to see the Addicks play Real Madrid or following the game on the CL match thread for some fans.