From a Tory prospective, Corbyn is less dangerous thsn a soft Brexit, so I doubt May will last the month.
Who on earth would want to sit in the driving seat instead of Teresa May when the bus goes off the cliff ?
She’ll be in that seat until the bus stops rolling and the flames have all but died.
After that she’s fair game. I can almost hear Michael Gove now “ The problem with Teresa was that she was not decisive enough and allowed Brexit to get away from us despite all my warnings”
Whats the betting that they leave Chequers tomorrow evening with TM saying that they have made progress but have gone away to think things over a but more & there will be another meeting early next week.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
May has yet to slap them down and point out that the leave campaign did not canvas for leaving the Customs Union. Although the educated people in charge didn't realise until after Brexit that involved free movement of people. Merkel must realise that this is a busted flush and take some responsibility. Worth notinģ that many EU countries withdraw benefits for immigrants after 3 months out of work but not the UK.
Whats the betting that they leave Chequers tomorrow evening with TM saying that they have made progress but have gone away to think things over a but more & there will be another meeting early next week.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
There is very little ground that we share politically @golfaddick but I appreciate and respect your honesty around Brexit.
You are one of the few people from the political right that has been critical of the players and the process and frankly I can't believe that more 'leavers' aren't entirely pissed off with the process.
Today at Chequers they should begin by coming up with a rock solid solution to the Irish border, from that all else follows. The amusing bit is the UK struggles to agree with itself and once the huge sign of relief comes, they take it to the EU and it gets reasonably and rightly rejected.
Today at Chequers they should begin by coming up with a rock solid solution to the Irish border, from that all else follows. The amusing bit is the UK struggles to agree with itself and once the huge sign of relief comes, they take it to the EU and it gets reasonably and rightly rejected.
It will be based on technology that doesnt exist Seth.
Whats the betting that they leave Chequers tomorrow evening with TM saying that they have made progress but have gone away to think things over a but more & there will be another meeting early next week.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
There is very little ground that we share politically @golfaddick but I appreciate and respect your honesty around Brexit.
You are one of the few people from the political right that has been critical of the players and the process and frankly I can't believe that more 'leavers' aren't entirely pissed off with the process.
I doubt you will find many leavers who are not pissed off with the whole process. Since the Referendum day it has been very clear that most people in authority have been trying openly or covertly to prevent us leaving. The whole thing has been a car crash.
Whats the betting that they leave Chequers tomorrow evening with TM saying that they have made progress but have gone away to think things over a but more & there will be another meeting early next week.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
There is very little ground that we share politically @golfaddick but I appreciate and respect your honesty around Brexit.
You are one of the few people from the political right that has been critical of the players and the process and frankly I can't believe that more 'leavers' aren't entirely pissed off with the process.
I doubt you will find many leavers who are not pissed off with the whole process. Since the Referendum day it has been very clear that most people in authority have been trying openly or covertly to prevent us leaving. The whole thing has been a car crash.
No it hasn't, this just isn't true.
Theresa May appointed Brexit architects into the three key departments, the FCO, DIT and DExU. It's not her fault they screwed it up.
Whats the betting that they leave Chequers tomorrow evening with TM saying that they have made progress but have gone away to think things over a but more & there will be another meeting early next week.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
There is very little ground that we share politically @golfaddick but I appreciate and respect your honesty around Brexit.
You are one of the few people from the political right that has been critical of the players and the process and frankly I can't believe that more 'leavers' aren't entirely pissed off with the process.
I doubt you will find many leavers who are not pissed off with the whole process. Since the Referendum day it has been very clear that most people in authority have been trying openly or covertly to prevent us leaving. The whole thing has been a car crash.
Whats the betting that they leave Chequers tomorrow evening with TM saying that they have made progress but have gone away to think things over a but more & there will be another meeting early next week.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
There is very little ground that we share politically @golfaddick but I appreciate and respect your honesty around Brexit.
You are one of the few people from the political right that has been critical of the players and the process and frankly I can't believe that more 'leavers' aren't entirely pissed off with the process.
I doubt you will find many leavers who are not pissed off with the whole process. Since the Referendum day it has been very clear that most people in authority have been trying openly or covertly to prevent us leaving. The whole thing has been a car crash.
I presume you have names and examples ?
Of course he doesn't - he goes quiet whenever asked to justify his straw man arguments.
You've got it all wrong. The EU has been holding us back for years, and now we're leaving the EU is bullying us into a bad deal, with the help of May and all the remainer traitors. And once we're out, the EU will work against us, thwarting out deserved and righteous success in any way possible.
We can whinge and moan for ever that somebody else is conspiring against us and nothing will ever be our fault. We can rail against the EU and immigrants, and when we're rid of them we'll find somebody new to blame, maybe it'll be the Russians or the Chinese, or the blacks, or the gays, or the Jews.
We'll find someone to blame our failures on, it's what we do, and the Daily Mail will proudly tell us who we should be blaming this week, who's fault it all is that we're not as successful as we think we should be, that it's our god given right to be.
And if anybody dares to suggest that we shouldn't be blaming whichever group are currently conspiring against us, then we'll denounce them as traitors too, and snowflakes and bad losers. They're just working against us, trying to stop the success that is ordained for us, using their fake news and project fear to aid our enemies and hold us down.
Whats the betting that they leave Chequers tomorrow evening with TM saying that they have made progress but have gone away to think things over a but more & there will be another meeting early next week.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
There is very little ground that we share politically @golfaddick but I appreciate and respect your honesty around Brexit.
You are one of the few people from the political right that has been critical of the players and the process and frankly I can't believe that more 'leavers' aren't entirely pissed off with the process.
I doubt you will find many leavers who are not pissed off with the whole process. Since the Referendum day it has been very clear that most people in authority have been trying openly or covertly to prevent us leaving. The whole thing has been a car crash.
Most people in authority have been arrogantly poncing around under the belief that we were able to leave the club, but still enjoy all of the benefits of being a member because we’re Great Britain and we had an empire at one point in the past. They’ve been strutting around whinging and bitching that the EU are holding us to ransom, blaming everyone who voted to remain as holding the country back from a bright new dawn that awaits the day we exit
I voted to remain and I now want to call their bluff and for them to leave regardless of what the hell they think they can achieve in the shape of a ‘deal’. The truth is it’s a shit show. they’ve realised that the bits they want to keep like free trade, won’t wash unless they cave on bits they don’t want to keep. Ergo a waste of a lot of people’s time, complete uncertainty and what can only be described as a farce.
A farce that will all be sorted out in chequers as we speak, neatly packaged up in a solution come 5pm
One can only assume Duchatelet has been giving them negotiation lessons. There are an uncanny amount of parallels
Whats the betting that they leave Chequers tomorrow evening with TM saying that they have made progress but have gone away to think things over a but more & there will be another meeting early next week.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
There is very little ground that we share politically @golfaddick but I appreciate and respect your honesty around Brexit.
You are one of the few people from the political right that has been critical of the players and the process and frankly I can't believe that more 'leavers' aren't entirely pissed off with the process.
I doubt you will find many leavers who are not pissed off with the whole process. Since the Referendum day it has been very clear that most people in authority have been trying openly or covertly to prevent us leaving. The whole thing has been a car crash.
Most people in authority have been arrogantly poncing around under the belief that we were able to leave the club, but still enjoy all of the benefits of being a member because we’re Great Britain and we had an empire at one point in the past. They’ve been strutting around whinging and bitching that the EU are holding us to ransom, blaming everyone who voted to remain as holding the country back from a bright new dawn that awaits the day we exit
I voted to remain and I now want to call their bluff and for them to leave regardless of what the hell they think they can achieve in the shape of a ‘deal’. The truth is it’s a shit show. they’ve realised that the bits they want to keep like free trade, won’t wash unless they cave on bits they don’t want to keep. Ergo a waste of a lot of people’s time, complete uncertainty and what can only be described as a farce.
A farce that will all be sorted out in chequers as we speak, neatly packaged up in a solution come 5pm
One can only assume Duchatelet has been giving them negotiation lessons. There are an uncanny amount of parallels
As much as I despise two sheds I believe even he would have been a better negotiator than Davies.
Whats the betting that they leave Chequers tomorrow evening with TM saying that they have made progress but have gone away to think things over a but more & there will be another meeting early next week.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
There is very little ground that we share politically @golfaddick but I appreciate and respect your honesty around Brexit.
You are one of the few people from the political right that has been critical of the players and the process and frankly I can't believe that more 'leavers' aren't entirely pissed off with the process.
I doubt you will find many leavers who are not pissed off with the whole process. Since the Referendum day it has been very clear that most people in authority have been trying openly or covertly to prevent us leaving. The whole thing has been a car crash.
The car crash is yet to happen. In a a moment of collective madness, and by the slenderest of margins, the mis-informed voting populace took the decision to go off-roading by the edge of a huge cliff. Since then May & Co have been swerving around all over the place, squabbling amongst themselves whilst wilfully neglecting their duty of care towards their passengers. They've not been trying to stop or slow down or stop the car at all. To suggest that they have is complete folly, based on nothing more than a fear that you might not get the joy ride you wanted. What they have been doing is fighting over control of the steering wheel as there is no collective agreement regarding which route to take. Gove wants them to plunge off the highest point straight on to the rocks below, he's got himself a nice little financial safety cage and is set to make his security blanket even bigger and softer when he claims on that hedge-fund insurance policy. May, on the other hand, didn't wan't to go off-roading, but now that we are she wants to make a name for herself. She believes that she can steer the car down a gentler incline to a place where the final drop won't be as catastrophic. If the car is still vaguely intact, she'll be hailed as a hero for achieving the impossible. Either way, we are still hurtling towards the precipice. Whether we plunge headfirst from the steepest point or roll over a few times on grass before finally going down is anybody's guess. What is certain is that nobody is trying to stop this impending catastrophe. The warning signs a being ignored and no-one in government is even attempting to fulfil their primary role, to protect its citizens. If they did they would stop the car, apply the handbrake, take the keys out of the ignition and phone for the emergency services. The fact that they aren't is a matter of criminal negligence.
Whats the betting that they leave Chequers tomorrow evening with TM saying that they have made progress but have gone away to think things over a but more & there will be another meeting early next week.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
There is very little ground that we share politically @golfaddick but I appreciate and respect your honesty around Brexit.
You are one of the few people from the political right that has been critical of the players and the process and frankly I can't believe that more 'leavers' aren't entirely pissed off with the process.
I doubt you will find many leavers who are not pissed off with the whole process. Since the Referendum day it has been very clear that most people in authority have been trying openly or covertly to prevent us leaving. The whole thing has been a car crash.
The car crash is yet to happen. In a a moment of collective madness, and by the slenderest of margins, the mis-informed voting populace took the decision to go off-roading by the edge of a huge cliff. Since then May & Co have been swerving around all over the place, squabbling amongst themselves whilst wilfully neglecting their duty of care towards their passengers. They've not been trying to stop or slow down or stop the car at all. To suggest that they have is complete folly, based on nothing more than a fear that you might not get the joy ride you wanted. What they have been doing is fighting over control of the steering wheel as there is no collective agreement regarding which route to take. Gove wants them to plunge off the highest point straight on to the rocks below, he's got himself a nice little financial safety cage and is set to make his security blanket even bigger and softer when he claims on that hedge-fund insurance policy. May, on the other hand, didn't wan't to go off-roading, but now that we are she wants to make a name for herself. She believes that she can steer the car down a gentler incline to a place where the final drop won't be as catastrophic. If the car is still vaguely intact, she'll be hailed as a hero for achieving the impossible. Either way, we are still hurling towards the precipice. Whether we plunge headfirst from the steepest point or roll over a few times on grass before finally going down is anybody's guess. What is certain is that nobody is trying to stop this impending catastrophe. The warning signs a being ignored and no-one in government is even attempting to fulfil their primary role, to protect its citizens. If they did they would stop the car, apply the handbrake, take the keys out of the ignition and phone for the emergency services. The fact that they aren't is a matter of criminal negligence.
That's probably the best analogy I have read of this shitfest.
Whats the betting that they leave Chequers tomorrow evening with TM saying that they have made progress but have gone away to think things over a but more & there will be another meeting early next week.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
There is very little ground that we share politically @golfaddick but I appreciate and respect your honesty around Brexit.
You are one of the few people from the political right that has been critical of the players and the process and frankly I can't believe that more 'leavers' aren't entirely pissed off with the process.
I doubt you will find many leavers who are not pissed off with the whole process. Since the Referendum day it has been very clear that most people in authority have been trying openly or covertly to prevent us leaving. The whole thing has been a car crash.
The car crash is yet to happen. In a a moment of collective madness, and by the slenderest of margins, the mis-informed voting populace took the decision to go off-roading by the edge of a huge cliff. Since then May & Co have been swerving around all over the place, squabbling amongst themselves whilst wilfully neglecting their duty of care towards their passengers. They've not been trying to stop or slow down or stop the car at all. To suggest that they have is complete folly, based on nothing more than a fear that you might not get the joy ride you wanted. What they have been doing is fighting over control of the steering wheel as there is no collective agreement regarding which route to take. Gove wants them to plunge off the highest point straight on to the rocks below, he's got himself a nice little financial safety cage and is set to make his security blanket even bigger and softer when he claims on that hedge-fund insurance policy. May, on the other hand, didn't wan't to go off-roading, but now that we are she wants to make a name for herself. She believes that she can steer the car down a gentler incline to a place where the final drop won't be as catastrophic. If the car is still vaguely intact, she'll be hailed as a hero for achieving the impossible. Either way, we are still hurtling towards the precipice. Whether we plunge headfirst from the steepest point or roll over a few times on grass before finally going down is anybody's guess. What is certain is that nobody is trying to stop this impending catastrophe. The warning signs a being ignored and no-one in government is even attempting to fulfil their primary role, to protect its citizens. If they did they would stop the car, apply the handbrake, take the keys out of the ignition and phone for the emergency services. The fact that they aren't is a matter of criminal negligence.
It's a fair summary. Unfortunately, the whole process is driven by politics, not by a common sense, practical approach to find solutions. We were given an intentionally simplistic "IN or OUT" question to vote on, to keep eurosceptic MPs quiet and scare the population in to voting stay. As usual, they've done everything arse backwards for reasons of political expedience. What was wrong with having a Royal Commission to investigate the options for leaving, formalise those and give us the chance to vote on them? While that was going on they could have ratcheted up the pressure on the EU to reform. Instead, we've just had a load of make it up as you go along stuff designed to keep Theresa may in a job, not to solve the actual problems. We will end up with the worst of all worlds non-Brexit Brexit, where we are still tied to the EU like a vassal state.
Whats the betting that they leave Chequers tomorrow evening with TM saying that they have made progress but have gone away to think things over a but more & there will be another meeting early next week.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
There is very little ground that we share politically @golfaddick but I appreciate and respect your honesty around Brexit.
You are one of the few people from the political right that has been critical of the players and the process and frankly I can't believe that more 'leavers' aren't entirely pissed off with the process.
I doubt you will find many leavers who are not pissed off with the whole process. Since the Referendum day it has been very clear that most people in authority have been trying openly or covertly to prevent us leaving. The whole thing has been a car crash.
This notion that Leavers feel betrayed or have been let down by the Tory Brexit politicians charged with delivering Brexit really baffles me. During the Referendum it was frequently pointed out that the fantasy world of leaving the EU and maintaining the benefits of a frictionless free trade agreement with it was simply that...a fantasy and not remotely possible. Every day since the Referendum has proved that this warning, rather than being Project Fear, was in fact Project Truth.
How do you think the Brexit fantasy world you voted for could actually be achieved in the real world without sending the UK economy over the cliff with no prospect of recovery for generations? Again, this is not a question posed by Project Fear, but rather posed by Project Truth, as evidenced by the dire warnings issued by a series of the UK's largest employees over recent weeks.
Whats the betting that they leave Chequers tomorrow evening with TM saying that they have made progress but have gone away to think things over a but more & there will be another meeting early next week.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
There is very little ground that we share politically @golfaddick but I appreciate and respect your honesty around Brexit.
You are one of the few people from the political right that has been critical of the players and the process and frankly I can't believe that more 'leavers' aren't entirely pissed off with the process.
I doubt you will find many leavers who are not pissed off with the whole process. Since the Referendum day it has been very clear that most people in authority have been trying openly or covertly to prevent us leaving. The whole thing has been a car crash.
This notion that Leavers feel betrayed or have been let down by the Tory Brexit politicians charged with delivering Brexit really baffles me. During the Referendum it was frequently pointed out that the fantasy world of leaving the EU and maintaining the benefits of a frictionless free trade agreement with it was simply that...a fantasy and not remotely possible. Every day since the Referendum has proved that this warning, rather than being Project Fear, was in fact Project Truth.
How do you think the Brexit fantasy world you voted for could actually be achieved in the real world without sending the UK economy over the cliff with no prospect of recovery for generations? Again, this is not a question posed by Project Fear, but rather posed by Project Truth, as evidenced by the dire warnings issued by a series of the UK's largest employees over recent weeks.
It's the political equivalent of Harry Redknapp's press conferences when he takes over a club - "We're down to the bare bones squad wise!" or "We'll see what we can do in the transfer window but it's a tough, tough league this", and "We're playing catch up with much bigger & better clubs..." blah, blah, blah.
Used to be called getting your excuses for failure in early and in this case there's a definite trend for Leavers to promote the idea that this process would be easier and clearly more successful if it weren't for those pesky Remainers sticking their oar in.
The thing is, and I don't know if Leavers fully appreciate this, they are also looking at years & years of "We told you so!" when it all goes horrible wrong after next year. I mean clearly that won't be their fault either, but this is is not a hypothetical situation. We are Leaving therefore we will see the impacts of their decision for a very long while.
Whats the betting that they leave Chequers tomorrow evening with TM saying that they have made progress but have gone away to think things over a but more & there will be another meeting early next week.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
There is very little ground that we share politically @golfaddick but I appreciate and respect your honesty around Brexit.
You are one of the few people from the political right that has been critical of the players and the process and frankly I can't believe that more 'leavers' aren't entirely pissed off with the process.
I doubt you will find many leavers who are not pissed off with the whole process. Since the Referendum day it has been very clear that most people in authority have been trying openly or covertly to prevent us leaving. The whole thing has been a car crash.
This notion that Leavers feel betrayed or have been let down by the Tory Brexit politicians charged with delivering Brexit really baffles me. During the Referendum it was frequently pointed out that the fantasy world of leaving the EU and maintaining the benefits of a frictionless free trade agreement with it was simply that...a fantasy and not remotely possible. Every day since the Referendum has proved that this warning, rather than being Project Fear, was in fact Project Truth.
How do you think the Brexit fantasy world you voted for could actually be achieved in the real world without sending the UK economy over the cliff with no prospect of recovery for generations? Again, this is not a question posed by Project Fear, but rather posed by Project Truth, as evidenced by the dire warnings issued by a series of the UK's largest employees over recent weeks.
I think we have a situation where raw desire has triumphed over pure truth.
Brexiters scream 'I want it, I want it, I want it'.
Now they have won it is disbelief that they won't get it. They scatter gun blame in every direction.
There will be more blame to come because after the nightmare malarkey of the UK coming to a position, it will cooly looked at by the EU with their rules as their handbook (something the UK knows full well all about), and the likely answer is the UK position won't fly. Cue Southbank and others railing on about a conspiracy of remainers thwarting brexit, thwarting the will of the people.
This is simply not the case, there is no conspiracy theory to write books about. It is the UK being the UK (aka at the moment as a basket case) and the EU being the EU.
The most likely overwhelming outcome is that the UK will leave with no deal whatsoever. Too bad for the UK.
On question time last night an audience member said most of the cars in the car park were German and French, from that he concluded 'they need us as much as we need them'.
As much?
None of the godawful panel pointed out that EU trade is 13% with the UK, but for the UK it is 42% with the EU. More than three times as much. So in the inevitable no deal scenario we see coming down the track everybody hurts, but the EU is 13% hurt, but the UK is nearly half dead.
Brexiters will say it's a price worth paying for...................................................
Found this very interesting - seems that German teenagers are more engaged with the issues than British politicians! Also gives an interesting look at how Brexit is perceived by Europe's young, and certainly corresponds with how it is seen by young people in Spain as well that I speak to.
My wife spoke to a well placed MP today who said that David Davies has only spent four hours talking face to face with Michel Barnier, she wasn't sure if the MP meant this year or sine appointment but if true, whether you are a leaver or remainer, that is a disgrace.
My wife spoke to a well placed MP today who said that David Davies has only spent four hours talking face to face with Michel Barnier, she wasn't sure if the MP meant this year or sine appointment but if true, whether you are a leaver or remainer, that is a disgrace.
Agreed maybe Barn pots diary was full with meetings with all those companies queuing up to leave the UK next year. Lets blame our side though.
Found this very interesting - seems that German teenagers are more engaged with the issues than British politicians! Also gives an interesting look at how Brexit is perceived by Europe's young, and certainly corresponds with how it is seen by young people in Spain as well that I speak to.
That's an interesting point. In the last 6 weeks i have been to the costa blanca and Menorca, my wife pointed something out to me that she never noticed an EU flag or any indication we were in the EU or they were proud to be during that stay. To be fair they were playing in the world cup early rounds, and saw lots of Spain flags.... Maybe they took them down... Young uns who we engaged never said a thing.
My wife spoke to a well placed MP today who said that David Davies has only spent four hours talking face to face with Michel Barnier, she wasn't sure if the MP meant this year or sine appointment but if true, whether you are a leaver or remainer, that is a disgrace.
Agreed maybe Barn pots diary was full with meetings with all those companies queuing up to leave the UK next year. Lets blame our side though.
I didn't blame any side, but happy to blame the Tories if you are.
My wife spoke to a well placed MP today who said that David Davies has only spent four hours talking face to face with Michel Barnier, she wasn't sure if the MP meant this year or sine appointment but if true, whether you are a leaver or remainer, that is a disgrace.
Agreed maybe Barn pots diary was full with meetings with all those companies queuing up to leave the UK next year. Lets blame our side though.
I didn't blame any side, but happy to blame the Tories if you are.
The Costa Blanca and Menorca are not very representative of Spain and there are never really EU flags flying anywhere in Spain apart from hotels or council buildings, along with the country and region flag. I wouldn't say people are so much 'proud' of the EU either, just that it is a part of living in modern Europe for them. Thank you for replying in a constructive way though.
The Costa Blanca and Menorca are not very representative of Spain and there are never really EU flags flying anywhere in Spain apart from hotels or council buildings, along with the country and region flag. I wouldn't say people are so much 'proud' of the EU either, just that it is a part of living in modern Europe for them. Thank you for replying in a constructive way though.
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She’ll be in that seat until the bus stops rolling and the flames have all but died.
After that she’s fair game. I can almost hear Michael Gove now “ The problem with Teresa was that she was not decisive enough and allowed Brexit to get away from us despite all my warnings”
Late 2020 is when she’ll be stabbed in the back.
they have gone so far down the road kicking the can it can't be too long until they come to the edge of the cliff......but not tomorrow.
great listening to O'Neill & Portillo discuss it on This Week......would just love it if David Davis & Boris made a stand if the white paper didn't have us leaving the CU, Single Market and the ECJ.......but of course they wont. Their jobs mean more to them than principles.
You are one of the few people from the political right that has been critical of the players and the process and frankly I can't believe that more 'leavers' aren't entirely pissed off with the process.
The amusing bit is the UK struggles to agree with itself and once the huge sign of relief comes, they take it to the EU and it gets reasonably and rightly rejected.
Theresa May appointed Brexit architects into the three key departments, the FCO, DIT and DExU. It's not her fault they screwed it up.
We can whinge and moan for ever that somebody else is conspiring against us and nothing will ever be our fault. We can rail against the EU and immigrants, and when we're rid of them we'll find somebody new to blame, maybe it'll be the Russians or the Chinese, or the blacks, or the gays, or the Jews.
We'll find someone to blame our failures on, it's what we do, and the Daily Mail will proudly tell us who we should be blaming this week, who's fault it all is that we're not as successful as we think we should be, that it's our god given right to be.
And if anybody dares to suggest that we shouldn't be blaming whichever group are currently conspiring against us, then we'll denounce them as traitors too, and snowflakes and bad losers. They're just working against us, trying to stop the success that is ordained for us, using their fake news and project fear to aid our enemies and hold us down.
I voted to remain and I now want to call their bluff and for them to leave regardless of what the hell they think they can achieve in the shape of a ‘deal’. The truth is it’s a shit show. they’ve realised that the bits they want to keep like free trade, won’t wash unless they cave on bits they don’t want to keep. Ergo a waste of a lot of people’s time, complete uncertainty and what can only be described as a farce.
A farce that will all be sorted out in chequers as we speak, neatly packaged up in a solution come 5pm
One can only assume Duchatelet has been giving them negotiation lessons. There are an uncanny amount of parallels
*applauds*
How do you think the Brexit fantasy world you voted for could actually be achieved in the real world without sending the UK economy over the cliff with no prospect of recovery for generations? Again, this is not a question posed by Project Fear, but rather posed by Project Truth, as evidenced by the dire warnings issued by a series of the UK's largest employees over recent weeks.
Used to be called getting your excuses for failure in early and in this case there's a definite trend for Leavers to promote the idea that this process would be easier and clearly more successful if it weren't for those pesky Remainers sticking their oar in.
The thing is, and I don't know if Leavers fully appreciate this, they are also looking at years & years of "We told you so!" when it all goes horrible wrong after next year. I mean clearly that won't be their fault either, but this is is not a hypothetical situation. We are Leaving therefore we will see the impacts of their decision for a very long while.
Brexiters scream 'I want it, I want it, I want it'.
Now they have won it is disbelief that they won't get it. They scatter gun blame in every direction.
There will be more blame to come because after the nightmare malarkey of the UK coming to a position, it will cooly looked at by the EU with their rules as their handbook (something the UK knows full well all about), and the likely answer is the UK position won't fly.
Cue Southbank and others railing on about a conspiracy of remainers thwarting brexit, thwarting the will of the people.
This is simply not the case, there is no conspiracy theory to write books about. It is the UK being the UK (aka at the moment as a basket case) and the EU being the EU.
The most likely overwhelming outcome is that the UK will leave with no deal whatsoever. Too bad for the UK.
On question time last night an audience member said most of the cars in the car park were German and French, from that he concluded 'they need us as much as we need them'.
As much?
None of the godawful panel pointed out that EU trade is 13% with the UK, but for the UK it is 42% with the EU. More than three times as much.
So in the inevitable no deal scenario we see coming down the track everybody hurts, but the EU is 13% hurt, but the UK is nearly half dead.
Brexiters will say it's a price worth paying for...................................................
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/06/german-students-reveal-exam-answers-to-key-brexit-questions