...meanwhile our glorious leaders have realised what was glaringly obvious from the start months, if not years ago, and have gone back to the drawing board again...
"Our correspondent says the government has now deemed both options practically or politically undeliverable..."
...meanwhile our glorious leaders have realised what was glaringly obvious from the start months, if not years ago, and have gone back to the drawing board again...
"Our correspondent says the government has now deemed both options practically or politically undeliverable..."
Don't worry though, we've bags of time to sort this out. Then we can make a start on regulatory alignment...that's bound to be much easier to resolve.
Interesting that it now seems that the government sees that a bespoke deal is impossible and it comes down to a choice between a Norway style deal or no deal at all. Let's see if common sense prevails...
If the media reports over the Council meeting and the weekend are correct, there is an expectation that nothing will be agreed in time for the October Council meeting and that the best case scenario would be that an extra meeting would be scheduled for December.
I'd say that (even assuming that HMG can agree with itself at Chequers) it will be very difficult to address the sticking points in the Withdrawal Agreement even allowing for an extra couple of months - as nothing, to date, suggests that anything genuinely tricky can be resolved in that time.
My worry would be that, even assuming both a withdrawal and then trade agreement can be salvaged from the current impasse, the timing is such that those organisations that have had to make contingency plans can no longer wait to see the lie of the land, and that whatever they have planned to relocate to the EU 27 will be moved regardless of the negotiated outcome.
I find it difficult to believe that this is genuine. If it is, it sums up the whole Brexit debate. Moronic lies and disinformation spouted by morons and swallowed whole by even more moronic fools and idiots!
What if in 1939 a referendum were held as to whether we should surrender to Nazi Germany rather than fight to liberate Europe ?
What if a British PM had said that in the Reich we would be 4300 shillings better off per head ?
What if the PM had said that in exchange for surrendering the right to govern ourselves we could work anywhere in the Reich, perhaps making Panzers for deployment in the Eastern Front ? Or building the gas chambers and Camps for the Jews ?
What if the PM had said that we could travel anywhere within the Reich - No passports, cheap holidays in occupied sunny south of France and Fascist Italy, rather than Blackpool or Bournemouth ?
What if the PM had told us that Adolf Hitler would provide us with a nice cheap German car - the people's car - rather than having a British marque ? That instead of pie and mash for dinner we could have more exotic foreign food and all it would cost was our freedom ?
What if he said that hundreds of years of self-government was worth trading in for the chance to abolish exchange rates and borders within the Reich, and that we could eventually all trade using the Reichsmark instead of the pound ?
What if the PM said we would all be worse off for a generation if we did not join the Reich, as rationing would be introduced and last until 1954, and that we would have to borrow money under the Marshall Plan, a loan that would not be paid off until 2006 ? What would the people have said ? The generation of the early 20th century ? How would they have reacted ?
This is why we voted for Brexit. Because No single generation has the right to give away the independence that their Great Grandfathers and Grandfathers and in some cases Fathers Son's Brothers, Sisters Cousins, Uncles and Aunties fought and died for.....
Because this is about more than economics ....!
The EU aren’t about to declare war on us. Everything about this post screams deluded ramblings imo
Why does it?
3 replies and not one argument against it. Just one mild obsenity.
I'll just add fundamentally historically inaccurate to go with @cabbles' deluded ramblings.
You do realise that, in 1939, Britain and her Empire were not seeking to liberate Europe (Poland, yes, and maybe Czechoslovakia), France was not occupied, and the UK was busy making eyes at Mussolini (in the hopes that fascist Italy would join the war on their side, only to be disappointed) - both 1940, oh, and there wasn't an Eastern front until 1941...
Because, in making these (and the Marshall Plan, and knowledge of death camps for Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, "deviants", political enemies and the disabled) key elements of a decision offered by the PM in 1939, you're not demonstrating a keen awareness of history. Of course you may just be a Neville Chamberlain super-fan, convinced that he was the genuine far sighted war leader that Britain should have had in its hour of need, cruelly traduced by that nasty Winston Churchill.
That's better. Although this dues devalue the sacrificed made by our previous generation
You have shown that it is possible to argue without being rude. Thank you.
I think you might have had some more considered reaction had you put it in speechmarks, to indicate that those were not your own words.
However, these words obviously resonate with you. So may I ask you how these words are relevant to your own personal experience of life in the UK right now? What are your top 3 practical, tangible ways in which you believe Brexit will make your own life better?
Three tangible outcomes of a successful Brexit (not where we are currently heading by the way)
1. It will remove the excuses our politicians have that things cannot be done because we are in the EU, for example immigration control, and make them more accountable.
2. It will give our people a sense that what they think and do in elections can really make a difference. In a society where people are growing increasingly weary of and cynical about politicians and politics this is very important.
3. Once we are out, we will be able to use the money we currently pay the EU for projects directly affecting our own taxpayers instead, rather than subsidising other countries.
Three tangible outcomes of a successful Brexit (not where we are currently heading by the way)
1. It will remove the excuses our politicians have that things cannot be done because we are in the EU, for example immigration control, and make them more accountable.
2. It will give our people a sense that what they think and do in elections can really make a difference. In a society where people are growing increasingly weary of and cynical about politicians and politics this is very important.
3. Once we are out, we will be able to use the money we currently pay the EU for projects directly affecting our own taxpayers instead, rather than subsidising other countries.
This is a good post in my view.
Point one is right about the concept of blame, although the brazen nature of the politicians most prone to equivocate like Boris and Gove suggests that accountability might meet the Teflon factor. Personally I prefer the solid PR based EU politicians in the whole. Point two is crushed by the first past the post system. Ask UKIP and the Greens in 2015. Voters for those parties may well feel they make no different from at all. Point three is that the brexit dividend will be swallowed by the brexit costs like managing the forthcoming hard border in Ireland.
I like the effort to be positive about brexit in this post but I don't agree with it.
Three tangible outcomes of a successful Brexit (not where we are currently heading by the way)
1. It will remove the excuses our politicians have that things cannot be done because we are in the EU, for example immigration control, and make them more accountable.
2. It will give our people a sense that what they think and do in elections can really make a difference. In a society where people are growing increasingly weary of and cynical about politicians and politics this is very important.
3. Once we are out, we will be able to use the money we currently pay the EU for projects directly affecting our own taxpayers instead, rather than subsidising other countries.
Three tangible outcomes of a successful Brexit (not where we are currently heading by the way)
1. It will remove the excuses our politicians have that things cannot be done because we are in the EU, for example immigration control, and make them more accountable.
2. It will give our people a sense that what they think and do in elections can really make a difference. In a society where people are growing increasingly weary of and cynical about politicians and politics this is very important.
3. Once we are out, we will be able to use the money we currently pay the EU for projects directly affecting our own taxpayers instead, rather than subsidising other countries.
The tragedy is that there were so many morons and idiots in this country who believed this nonsense when it was spewed out by the Brexit shitrags during the Referendum.
Three tangible outcomes of a successful Brexit (not where we are currently heading by the way)
1. It will remove the excuses our politicians have that things cannot be done because we are in the EU, for example immigration control, and make them more accountable.
2. It will give our people a sense that what they think and do in elections can really make a difference. In a society where people are growing increasingly weary of and cynical about politicians and politics this is very important.
3. Once we are out, we will be able to use the money we currently pay the EU for projects directly affecting our own taxpayers instead, rather than subsidising other countries.
The tragedy is that there were so many morons and idiots in this country who believed this nonsense when it was spewed out by the Brexit shitrags during the Referendum.
Three tangible outcomes of a successful Brexit (not where we are currently heading by the way)
1. It will remove the excuses our politicians have that things cannot be done because we are in the EU, for example immigration control, and make them more accountable.
2. It will give our people a sense that what they think and do in elections can really make a difference. In a society where people are growing increasingly weary of and cynical about politicians and politics this is very important.
3. Once we are out, we will be able to use the money we currently pay the EU for projects directly affecting our own taxpayers instead, rather than subsidising other countries.
1. It's true that "our politicians" should be accountable for every action and effect henceforth. But, of course, we need to be sure what we mean by "our politicians". Until now, "our politicians" have been those representing us as elected members of the European Parliament as well as those representing us in Westminster (leaving aside the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly, Stormont and local authorities). From now, all UK laws will be (should be? continue to be?) set by the members we elect in the House of Commons and the self-selecting, unelected members of the upper house. So, while it's good that we can point fingers at British politicians and hold them responsible, many of them - those in the Lords - we can't hold accountable. (Of course, a lot of people still cling on to the thought that the EU was unelected and our politicans are, but we can gloss over that. Again).
2. I certainly agree that it's a benefit that the electorate will have a better understanding that their votes count. I hope it's a long, long time before a less well-informed, ambivalent, fact-free electorate is trusted to make a critical, expensive decision again.
3. Our net contribution in 2016 was £8.6bn, or £165m a week. We have already committed twice that to the NHS. So the taxpayer will have to find and fund the difference. Plus, of course, the taxpayer will have to foot the bill for agriculture, fisheries, regional development (roads, infrastructure, railways), renewable energy projects, education, health programmes, research, the border agency. So we have much, much less money and it has to go a long way further.
So yes, three very interesting tangible outcomes of Brexit. One will hand a greater share of law-making responsibility to people we don't elect. One will mean we have a lot less money and need to do a lot more with it. And one, hopefully, we mean we will be making fewer stupid, expensive mistakes in future.
Three tangible outcomes of a successful Brexit (not where we are currently heading by the way)
1. It will remove the excuses our politicians have that things cannot be done because we are in the EU, for example immigration control, and make them more accountable.
2. It will give our people a sense that what they think and do in elections can really make a difference. In a society where people are growing increasingly weary of and cynical about politicians and politics this is very important.
3. Once we are out, we will be able to use the money we currently pay the EU for projects directly affecting our own taxpayers instead, rather than subsidising other countries.
The tragedy is that there were so many morons and idiots in this country who believed this nonsense when it was spewed out by the Brexit shitrags during the Referendum.
Did you have a reason for saying about Richard Corbett "their hatred for Britain as a nation state knows no bounds" @Southbank ? I still haven't seen anything that justifies such an attack.
Three tangible outcomes of a successful Brexit (not where we are currently heading by the way)
1. It will remove the excuses our politicians have that things cannot be done because we are in the EU, for example immigration control, and make them more accountable.
2. It will give our people a sense that what they think and do in elections can really make a difference. In a society where people are growing increasingly weary of and cynical about politicians and politics this is very important.
3. Once we are out, we will be able to use the money we currently pay the EU for projects directly affecting our own taxpayers instead, rather than subsidising other countries.
The tragedy is that there were so many morons and idiots in this country who believed this nonsense when it was spewed out by the Brexit shitrags during the Referendum.
Did you have a reason for saying about Richard Corbett "their hatred for Britain as a nation state knows no bounds" @Southbank ? I still haven't seen anything that justifies such an attack.
It was enough for me that he voted with Verhofstedt against trade talks starting last year. The jury is out on his support for England, there are a lot of Remainers who find supporting England and the Cross of St George a bit 'Brexity'.
Three tangible outcomes of a successful Brexit (not where we are currently heading by the way)
1. It will remove the excuses our politicians have that things cannot be done because we are in the EU, for example immigration control, and make them more accountable.
2. It will give our people a sense that what they think and do in elections can really make a difference. In a society where people are growing increasingly weary of and cynical about politicians and politics this is very important.
3. Once we are out, we will be able to use the money we currently pay the EU for projects directly affecting our own taxpayers instead, rather than subsidising other countries.
The tragedy is that there were so many morons and idiots in this country who believed this nonsense when it was spewed out by the Brexit shitrags during the Referendum.
'Moron idiot shitrag'
You do know this is why you lost, don't you?
Yep. Now remainers have lost, when will brexiters solve their victory? Like supply a workable and practical solution to the Irish border for the future.
Did you have a reason for saying about Richard Corbett "their hatred for Britain as a nation state knows no bounds" @Southbank ? I still haven't seen anything that justifies such an attack.
It was enough for me that he voted with Verhofstedt against trade talks starting last year. The jury is out on his support for England, there are a lot of Remainers who find supporting England and the Cross of St George a bit 'Brexity'.
Did you have a reason for saying about Richard Corbett "their hatred for Britain as a nation state knows no bounds" @Southbank ? I still haven't seen anything that justifies such an attack.
It was enough for me that he voted with Verhofstedt against trade talks starting last year. The jury is out on his support for England, there are a lot of Remainers who find supporting England and the Cross of St George a bit 'Brexity'.
Wow! So voting that "sufficient progress" had not been made means that someone demonstrates "hatred for Britain as a nation"? Incidentally, would you say that now, nine months later, the UK Government has yet made "sufficient progress"? I suppose you would have to argue that it has, otherwise you could be labelled someone who has hatred for Britain as a nation state.
I wonder if "the jury" really is out with regards to whether Richard Corbett supports England. Not that it matters of course - I never ascribed to the nationalistic, dangerous and divisive nonsense of Tebbitt's cricket test. So, to me, he can support whichever team he wants to. But really - if you had read his blog about the world cup (have you?) you probably wouldn't be in any doubt. For what it's worth.
Did you have a reason for saying about Richard Corbett "their hatred for Britain as a nation state knows no bounds" @Southbank ? I still haven't seen anything that justifies such an attack.
It was enough for me that he voted with Verhofstedt against trade talks starting last year. The jury is out on his support for England, there are a lot of Remainers who find supporting England and the Cross of St George a bit 'Brexity'.
Define 'a lot' - 2%, 25%, 50%, 99%
Where did you get your data?
Bollox as usual.
Far be it for me to be in any way supportive of @Southbank's argument (admittedly, I don't believe that his meaning is the same as mine), but I would agree that lots of Remainers, in Northern Ireland and Scotland (possibly even some in Wales), do find supporting England and the Cross of St. George a bit "Brexity" (if by "Brexity" you mean a bit alien, counter intuitive, shite even - mind you, if the international teams you hate thread is anything to go by, there is a feeling of mutual appreciation).
Three tangible outcomes of a successful Brexit (not where we are currently heading by the way)
1. It will remove the excuses our politicians have that things cannot be done because we are in the EU, for example immigration control, and make them more accountable.
2. It will give our people a sense that what they think and do in elections can really make a difference. In a society where people are growing increasingly weary of and cynical about politicians and politics this is very important.
3. Once we are out, we will be able to use the money we currently pay the EU for projects directly affecting our own taxpayers instead, rather than subsidising other countries.
Several have already replied but here are some points, some of which were made before the vote:
1. 99% of Government expenditure doesn't go on the EU. That hasn't stopped the Alt-right concocting a fairy story that the EU holds us back. For example it has been Tory led austerity which led to only 1% increases in NHS budgets for the last eight years
2. Cannot argue which is why many support BINO option. Remain lost because the campaign was a Cameron carbon copy of the Scottish referendum. There's no going back, neither can Europe simply readmit the likes of Farage - they have enough problems with Salvini and Visegrad. Remainers now have to win the argument to stay in the EU orbit as opposed to a North Korea option!
3. The Brexit dividend doesn't exist! If we leave the Customs Union and Single Market then our economy will grow far less fast and possibly contract. That means less money for pay and less tax for the Government. We are now the slowest growing economy in the G7 which is a massive problem for the next decade.
We both agree that the rise of the Alt-right is down to a failure of successive governments. And now Salvini in Italy is calling for a pan European populist alt-right surge for next year's MEP elections.
You ask for clarity and simplification of the political process with more accountability and transparency. That really isn't on the Alt-right agenda. For they are sewing confusion and misinformation in order to win power.
In some countries the centre is in power but in others it's in decline, Italy for instance. Whilst we might admire your clarity of purpose there is nothing to suggest that the outcome of the Alt-right gaining power will be any different to the 1930s. That the EU is under attack from both Putin and Trump tells me all I need to know.
What is becoming clear in the UK is that there is no majority in Parliament nor the electorate for a "hard Brexit" and the associated risks. No appetite for unicorns and fairy stories from Fox, IDS, Rees Mogg and the rest. The question is whether you and your constituency will call foul should we align with a Norway / Swiss model and stay close but not inside the EU?
Nothing is guaranteed now but my money is on October failure followed by May grasping at a deal in December. If she fails, Labour will attempt to take her out and force an election.
And perhaps that's what the country needs in 2019?
Three tangible outcomes of a successful Brexit (not where we are currently heading by the way)
1. It will remove the excuses our politicians have that things cannot be done because we are in the EU, for example immigration control, and make them more accountable.
2. It will give our people a sense that what they think and do in elections can really make a difference. In a society where people are growing increasingly weary of and cynical about politicians and politics this is very important.
3. Once we are out, we will be able to use the money we currently pay the EU for projects directly affecting our own taxpayers instead, rather than subsidising other countries.
Several have already replied but here are some points, some of which were made before the vote:
1. 99% of Government expenditure doesn't go on the EU. That hasn't stopped the Alt-right concocting a fairy story that the EU holds us back. For example it has been Tory led austerity which led to only 1% increases in NHS budgets for the last eight years
2. Cannot argue which is why many support BINO option. Remain lost because the campaign was a Cameron carbon copy of the Scottish referendum. There's no going back, neither can Europe simply readmit the likes of Farage - they have enough problems with Salvini and Visegrad. Remainers now have to win the argument to stay in the EU orbit as opposed to a North Korea option!
3. The Brexit dividend doesn't exist! If we leave the Customs Union and Single Market then our economy will grow far less fast and possibly contract. That means less money for pay and less tax for the Government. We are now the slowest growing economy in the G7 which is a massive problem for the next decade.
We both agree that the rise of the Alt-right is down to a failure of successive governments. And now Salvini in Italy is calling for a pan European populist alt-right surge for next year's MEP elections.
You ask for clarity and simplification of the political process with more accountability and transparency. That really isn't on the Alt-right agenda. For they are sewing confusion and misinformation in order to win power.
In some countries the centre is in power but in others it's in decline, Italy for instance. Whilst we might admire your clarity of purpose there is nothing to suggest that the outcome of the Alt-right gaining power will be any different to the 1930s. That the EU is under attack from both Putin and Trump tells me all I need to know.
What is becoming clear in the UK is that there is no majority in Parliament nor the electorate for a "hard Brexit" and the associated risks. No appetite for unicorns and fairy stories from Fox, IDS, Rees Mogg and the rest. The question is whether you and your constituency will call foul should we align with a Norway / Swiss model and stay close but not inside the EU?
Nothing is guaranteed now but my money is on October failure followed by May grasping at a deal in December. If she fails, Labour will attempt to take her out and force an election.
And perhaps that's what the country needs in 2019?
Did you have a reason for saying about Richard Corbett "their hatred for Britain as a nation state knows no bounds" @Southbank ? I still haven't seen anything that justifies such an attack.
It was enough for me that he voted with Verhofstedt against trade talks starting last year. The jury is out on his support for England, there are a lot of Remainers who find supporting England and the Cross of St George a bit 'Brexity'.
Apologies if I've missed it but I'm still interested in your views on the recent behind closed doors meeting that a minority group of MP's had with a representative of a foreign country? No one from our government authorised it nor was anyone independent from the Civil Service present to protect the UK's interests.
All sounds a bit more sinister behaviour than a bloke wanting the most favourable draw for the team he follows.
Did you have a reason for saying about Richard Corbett "their hatred for Britain as a nation state knows no bounds" @Southbank ? I still haven't seen anything that justifies such an attack.
It was enough for me that he voted with Verhofstedt against trade talks starting last year. The jury is out on his support for England, there are a lot of Remainers who find supporting England and the Cross of St George a bit 'Brexity'.
Apologies if I've missed it but I'm still interested in your views on the recent behind closed doors meeting that a minority group of MP's had with a representative of a foreign country? No one from our government authorised it nor was anyone independent from the Civil Service present to protect the UK's interests.
All sounds a bit more sinister behaviour than a bloke wanting the most favourable draw for the team he follows.
Comments
"Our correspondent says the government has now deemed both options practically or politically undeliverable..."
https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44671507
Don't worry though, we've bags of time to sort this out. Then we can make a start on regulatory alignment...that's bound to be much easier to resolve.
I'd say that (even assuming that HMG can agree with itself at Chequers) it will be very difficult to address the sticking points in the Withdrawal Agreement even allowing for an extra couple of months - as nothing, to date, suggests that anything genuinely tricky can be resolved in that time.
My worry would be that, even assuming both a withdrawal and then trade agreement can be salvaged from the current impasse, the timing is such that those organisations that have had to make contingency plans can no longer wait to see the lie of the land, and that whatever they have planned to relocate to the EU 27 will be moved regardless of the negotiated outcome.
https://medium.com/@jim_cornelius/economist-from-economists-for-free-trade-is-clueless-b2ac8d0b65e1
'got another one' or the imaginary tot up of 'bites' she thinks she got.
Will somebody think of the marmalade!
Whose she anyway?"
However, these words obviously resonate with you. So may I ask you how these words are relevant to your own personal experience of life in the UK right now? What are your top 3 practical, tangible ways in which you believe Brexit will make your own life better?
1. It will remove the excuses our politicians have that things cannot be done because we are in the EU, for example immigration control, and make them more accountable.
2. It will give our people a sense that what they think and do in elections can really make a difference. In a society where people are growing increasingly weary of and cynical about politicians and politics this is very important.
3. Once we are out, we will be able to use the money we currently pay the EU for projects directly affecting our own taxpayers instead, rather than subsidising other countries.
Point one is right about the concept of blame, although the brazen nature of the politicians most prone to equivocate like Boris and Gove suggests that accountability might meet the Teflon factor. Personally I prefer the solid PR based EU politicians in the whole.
Point two is crushed by the first past the post system. Ask UKIP and the Greens in 2015. Voters for those parties may well feel they make no different from at all.
Point three is that the brexit dividend will be swallowed by the brexit costs like managing the forthcoming hard border in Ireland.
I like the effort to be positive about brexit in this post but I don't agree with it.
You do know this is why you lost, don't you?
2. I certainly agree that it's a benefit that the electorate will have a better understanding that their votes count. I hope it's a long, long time before a less well-informed, ambivalent, fact-free electorate is trusted to make a critical, expensive decision again.
3. Our net contribution in 2016 was £8.6bn, or £165m a week. We have already committed twice that to the NHS. So the taxpayer will have to find and fund the difference. Plus, of course, the taxpayer will have to foot the bill for agriculture, fisheries, regional development (roads, infrastructure, railways), renewable energy projects, education, health programmes, research, the border agency. So we have much, much less money and it has to go a long way further.
So yes, three very interesting tangible outcomes of Brexit. One will hand a greater share of law-making responsibility to people we don't elect. One will mean we have a lot less money and need to do a lot more with it. And one, hopefully, we mean we will be making fewer stupid, expensive mistakes in future.
If you would like to learn how to do proper sustained invective by the way, try this.
The jury is out on his support for England, there are a lot of Remainers who find supporting England and the Cross of St George a bit 'Brexity'.
Now remainers have lost, when will brexiters solve their victory?
Like supply a workable and practical solution to the Irish border for the future.
Where did you get your data?
Bollox as usual.
I wonder if "the jury" really is out with regards to whether Richard Corbett supports England. Not that it matters of course - I never ascribed to the nationalistic, dangerous and divisive nonsense of Tebbitt's cricket test. So, to me, he can support whichever team he wants to. But really - if you had read his blog about the world cup (have you?) you probably wouldn't be in any doubt. For what it's worth.
Not that I'm in any way biased, you understand...
1. 99% of Government expenditure doesn't go on the EU. That hasn't stopped the Alt-right concocting a fairy story that the EU holds us back. For example it has been Tory led austerity which led to only 1% increases in NHS budgets for the last eight years
2. Cannot argue which is why many support BINO option. Remain lost because the campaign was a Cameron carbon copy of the Scottish referendum. There's no going back, neither can Europe simply readmit the likes of Farage - they have enough problems with Salvini and Visegrad. Remainers now have to win the argument to stay in the EU orbit as opposed to a North Korea option!
3. The Brexit dividend doesn't exist! If we leave the Customs Union and Single Market then our economy will grow far less fast and possibly contract. That means less money for pay and less tax for the Government. We are now the slowest growing economy in the G7 which is a massive problem for the next decade.
We both agree that the rise of the Alt-right is down to a failure of successive governments. And now Salvini in Italy is calling for a pan European populist alt-right surge for next year's MEP elections.
You ask for clarity and simplification of the political process with more accountability and transparency. That really isn't on the Alt-right agenda. For they are sewing confusion and misinformation in order to win power.
In some countries the centre is in power but in others it's in decline, Italy for instance. Whilst we might admire your clarity of purpose there is nothing to suggest that the outcome of the Alt-right gaining power will be any different to the 1930s. That the EU is under attack from both Putin and Trump tells me all I need to know.
What is becoming clear in the UK is that there is no majority in Parliament nor the electorate for a "hard Brexit" and the associated risks. No appetite for unicorns and fairy stories from Fox, IDS, Rees Mogg and the rest. The question is whether you and your constituency will call foul should we align with a Norway / Swiss model and stay close but not inside the EU?
Nothing is guaranteed now but my money is on October failure followed by May grasping at a deal in December. If she fails, Labour will attempt to take her out and force an election.
And perhaps that's what the country needs in 2019?
All sounds a bit more sinister behaviour than a bloke wanting the most favourable draw for the team he follows.
This one?