Hold your head up WOMAN.... Totally agree bit of an og there... Don't worry callum and VAR will save you.
Chippy, I know it is a challenge, but I really can't make sense of what you have just written. I am not knocking your spelling or grammar, simply trying to understand what on earth you actually mean.
Hold your head up WOMAN.... Totally agree bit of an og there... Don't worry callum and VAR will save you.
Chippy, I know it is a challenge, but I really can't make sense of what you have just written. I am not knocking your spelling or grammar, simply trying to understand what on earth you actually mean.
When... The last two years..... Taking the piss out of my spelling and grammar isn't of consequence, just my lazy posting
Hold your head up WOMAN.... Totally agree bit of an og there... Don't worry callum and VAR will save you.
Chippy, I know it is a challenge, but I really can't make sense of what you have just written. I am not knocking your spelling or grammar, simply trying to understand what on earth you actually mean.
When... The last two years..... Taking the piss out of my spelling and grammar isn't of consequence, just my lazy posting
I have never taken the piss out of your spelling or grammar, mine isn't exactly much good. What I am asking is what you're actually talking about. I know I will disagree with you, but I want to know what I am disagreeing with.
Hold your head up WOMAN.... Totally agree bit of an og there... Don't worry callum and VAR will save you.
Chippy, I know it is a challenge, but I really can't make sense of what you have just written. I am not knocking your spelling or grammar, simply trying to understand what on earth you actually mean.
When... The last two years..... Taking the piss out of my spelling and grammar isn't of consequence, just my lazy posting
I have never taken the piss out of your spelling or grammar, mine isn't exactly much good. What I am asking is what you're actually talking about. I know I will disagree with you, but I want to know what I am disagreeing with.
Not a problem but can't be bothered to explain... You doing a chippy on me...
Hold your head up WOMAN.... Totally agree bit of an og there... Don't worry callum and VAR will save you.
Chippy, I know it is a challenge, but I really can't make sense of what you have just written. I am not knocking your spelling or grammar, simply trying to understand what on earth you actually mean.
When... The last two years..... Taking the piss out of my spelling and grammar isn't of consequence, just my lazy posting
I have never taken the piss out of your spelling or grammar, mine isn't exactly much good. What I am asking is what you're actually talking about. I know I will disagree with you, but I want to know what I am disagreeing with.
Not a problem but can't be bothered to explain... You doing a chippy on me...
Don't talk tosh, @southbank. One of Johnson Gove or the Cartoon Aristocrat will be chosen as next Tory leader, and Labour under Corbyn will fail to defeat them because people like me cannot vote for them.
@blackpool72 I thought of a more precise question for you. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you are or were in the fire service. That's a profession I admire, and I would vote for higher salaries for all of them. However John Redwood, when he was a Tory minister was not of that view at all. On the contrary he wanted to take away your right to strike. I am sure he still does, but he spends more time now advising clients at his investment bank to pull out of the U.K. How do you feel, lining up behind him?
You are correct I did serve 30 years in the fire brigade and John Redwood is not someone I like. But having said that under Blair it was John Prescott who was kicking the fire brigade in the bollox so from a firefighter 's point of view we have been screwed by both sides. To try and answer you and Bournemouth Addick as honestly as I can my biggest fear over Brexit is the utter shambles of how it is being handled. I know that you and a lot of other remainers never thought we would get a good deal in the first place and that's fair enough. I also did not think that the EU would give us a good deal as it would encourage other countries to follow but never did I expect our side of the negotiations to be handled as poorly as this. So to sum it up. I still believe that in years to come other countries will leave the EU. (Greece and Italy) for starters and eventually the EU will collapse. If and when this happens we will be in a stronger position having left beforehand. But in the meantime I am as concerned as any Remainer about how the situation is being handled.
Good answer. I have liked it for the fact it's someone bothering to answer a difficult and embarrassing question, not because I agree with all of the points made.
I do agree though, that a lot of people (actually on both sides) didn't think we would be able to secure a good deal. In fact I would go further - I don't think we ever had a chance of securing a good deal, because we already had the best deal we could have.
I can't comment with any experience on firefighters and their treatment by a succession of governments. But I think it's unlikely that they will get the support and funding they need (and deserve) from the bumbling buffoons who will ride on the back of Brexit to steal power.
But, for fronting up and giving a full answer, I salute you, Blackpool!
Yes, this is a good answer. I think the only area I differ is I don't think we are best getting out beforehand - but we agree on a lot. And we can't expect to agree on everything! I know I annoy quite a few fellow remainers as I am very critical of the EU. I have to be honest and say that if we are not in it, I would not be arguing to join it. As we are in it, I would rather see us as a nuisance using the pressures that are clearly there to change the EU from within.
I think we are going to be damaged economically by leaving on poor terms, and I always thought we would be leaving on poor terms for a number of reasons. I don't understand those that say I'm not bothered if we are worse off, I just want to leave! Surely nobody votes to be worse off!
Don't talk tosh, @southbank. One of Johnson Gove or the Cartoon Aristocrat will be chosen as next Tory leader, and Labour under Corbyn will fail to defeat them because people like me cannot vote for them.
@blackpool72 I thought of a more precise question for you. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you are or were in the fire service. That's a profession I admire, and I would vote for higher salaries for all of them. However John Redwood, when he was a Tory minister was not of that view at all. On the contrary he wanted to take away your right to strike. I am sure he still does, but he spends more time now advising clients at his investment bank to pull out of the U.K. How do you feel, lining up behind him?
You are correct I did serve 30 years in the fire brigade and John Redwood is not someone I like. But having said that under Blair it was John Prescott who was kicking the fire brigade in the bollox so from a firefighter 's point of view we have been screwed by both sides. To try and answer you and Bournemouth Addick as honestly as I can my biggest fear over Brexit is the utter shambles of how it is being handled. I know that you and a lot of other remainers never thought we would get a good deal in the first place and that's fair enough. I also did not think that the EU would give us a good deal as it would encourage other countries to follow but never did I expect our side of the negotiations to be handled as poorly as this. So to sum it up. I still believe that in years to come other countries will leave the EU. (Greece and Italy) for starters and eventually the EU will collapse. If and when this happens we will be in a stronger position having left beforehand. But in the meantime I am as concerned as any Remainer about how the situation is being handled.
Good answer. I have liked it for the fact it's someone bothering to answer a difficult and embarrassing question, not because I agree with all of the points made.
I do agree though, that a lot of people (actually on both sides) didn't think we would be able to secure a good deal. In fact I would go further - I don't think we ever had a chance of securing a good deal, because we already had the best deal we could have.
I can't comment with any experience on firefighters and their treatment by a succession of governments. But I think it's unlikely that they will get the support and funding they need (and deserve) from the bumbling buffoons who will ride on the back of Brexit to steal power.
But, for fronting up and giving a full answer, I salute you, Blackpool!
Yes, this is a good answer. I think the only area I differ is I don't think we are best getting out beforehand - but we agree on a lot. And we can't expect to agree on everything! I know I annoy quite a few fellow remainers as I am very critical of the EU. I have to be honest and say that if we are not in it, I would not be arguing to join it. As we are in it, I would rather see us as a nuisance using the pressures that are clearly there to change the EU from within.
I think we are going to be damaged economically by leaving on poor terms, and I always thought we would be leaving on poor terms for a number of reasons. I don't understand those that say I'm not bothered if we are worse off, I just want to leave! Surely nobody votes to be worse off!
You can't put a price on having the right coloured travel documents.
Don't talk tosh, @southbank. One of Johnson Gove or the Cartoon Aristocrat will be chosen as next Tory leader, and Labour under Corbyn will fail to defeat them because people like me cannot vote for them.
@blackpool72 I thought of a more precise question for you. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you are or were in the fire service. That's a profession I admire, and I would vote for higher salaries for all of them. However John Redwood, when he was a Tory minister was not of that view at all. On the contrary he wanted to take away your right to strike. I am sure he still does, but he spends more time now advising clients at his investment bank to pull out of the U.K. How do you feel, lining up behind him?
You are correct I did serve 30 years in the fire brigade and John Redwood is not someone I like. But having said that under Blair it was John Prescott who was kicking the fire brigade in the bollox so from a firefighter 's point of view we have been screwed by both sides. To try and answer you and Bournemouth Addick as honestly as I can my biggest fear over Brexit is the utter shambles of how it is being handled. I know that you and a lot of other remainers never thought we would get a good deal in the first place and that's fair enough. I also did not think that the EU would give us a good deal as it would encourage other countries to follow but never did I expect our side of the negotiations to be handled as poorly as this. So to sum it up. I still believe that in years to come other countries will leave the EU. (Greece and Italy) for starters and eventually the EU will collapse. If and when this happens we will be in a stronger position having left beforehand. But in the meantime I am as concerned as any Remainer about how the situation is being handled.
Good answer. I have liked it for the fact it's someone bothering to answer a difficult and embarrassing question, not because I agree with all of the points made.
I do agree though, that a lot of people (actually on both sides) didn't think we would be able to secure a good deal. In fact I would go further - I don't think we ever had a chance of securing a good deal, because we already had the best deal we could have.
I can't comment with any experience on firefighters and their treatment by a succession of governments. But I think it's unlikely that they will get the support and funding they need (and deserve) from the bumbling buffoons who will ride on the back of Brexit to steal power.
But, for fronting up and giving a full answer, I salute you, Blackpool!
Yes, this is a good answer. I think the only area I differ is I don't think we are best getting out beforehand - but we agree on a lot. And we can't expect to agree on everything! I know I annoy quite a few fellow remainers as I am very critical of the EU. I have to be honest and say that if we are not in it, I would not be arguing to join it. As we are in it, I would rather see us as a nuisance using the pressures that are clearly there to change the EU from within.
I think we are going to be damaged economically by leaving on poor terms, and I always thought we would be leaving on poor terms for a number of reasons. I don't understand those that say I'm not bothered if we are worse off, I just want to leave! Surely nobody votes to be worse off!
You can't put a price on having the right coloured travel documents.
I have never mentioned the colour of passports or anything else for that matter so I hope that comment was not aimed at me.
Don't talk tosh, @southbank. One of Johnson Gove or the Cartoon Aristocrat will be chosen as next Tory leader, and Labour under Corbyn will fail to defeat them because people like me cannot vote for them.
@blackpool72 I thought of a more precise question for you. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you are or were in the fire service. That's a profession I admire, and I would vote for higher salaries for all of them. However John Redwood, when he was a Tory minister was not of that view at all. On the contrary he wanted to take away your right to strike. I am sure he still does, but he spends more time now advising clients at his investment bank to pull out of the U.K. How do you feel, lining up behind him?
You are correct I did serve 30 years in the fire brigade and John Redwood is not someone I like. But having said that under Blair it was John Prescott who was kicking the fire brigade in the bollox so from a firefighter 's point of view we have been screwed by both sides. To try and answer you and Bournemouth Addick as honestly as I can my biggest fear over Brexit is the utter shambles of how it is being handled. I know that you and a lot of other remainers never thought we would get a good deal in the first place and that's fair enough. I also did not think that the EU would give us a good deal as it would encourage other countries to follow but never did I expect our side of the negotiations to be handled as poorly as this. So to sum it up. I still believe that in years to come other countries will leave the EU. (Greece and Italy) for starters and eventually the EU will collapse. If and when this happens we will be in a stronger position having left beforehand. But in the meantime I am as concerned as any Remainer about how the situation is being handled.
Good answer. I have liked it for the fact it's someone bothering to answer a difficult and embarrassing question, not because I agree with all of the points made.
I do agree though, that a lot of people (actually on both sides) didn't think we would be able to secure a good deal. In fact I would go further - I don't think we ever had a chance of securing a good deal, because we already had the best deal we could have.
I can't comment with any experience on firefighters and their treatment by a succession of governments. But I think it's unlikely that they will get the support and funding they need (and deserve) from the bumbling buffoons who will ride on the back of Brexit to steal power.
But, for fronting up and giving a full answer, I salute you, Blackpool!
Yes, this is a good answer. I think the only area I differ is I don't think we are best getting out beforehand - but we agree on a lot. And we can't expect to agree on everything! I know I annoy quite a few fellow remainers as I am very critical of the EU. I have to be honest and say that if we are not in it, I would not be arguing to join it. As we are in it, I would rather see us as a nuisance using the pressures that are clearly there to change the EU from within.
I think we are going to be damaged economically by leaving on poor terms, and I always thought we would be leaving on poor terms for a number of reasons. I don't understand those that say I'm not bothered if we are worse off, I just want to leave! Surely nobody votes to be worse off!
You can't put a price on having the right coloured travel documents.
I have never mentioned the colour of passports or anything else for that matter so I hope that comment was not aimed at me.
But you can't deny it is hugely important to the Brexit knuckle draggers!
Don't talk tosh, @southbank. One of Johnson Gove or the Cartoon Aristocrat will be chosen as next Tory leader, and Labour under Corbyn will fail to defeat them because people like me cannot vote for them.
@blackpool72 I thought of a more precise question for you. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you are or were in the fire service. That's a profession I admire, and I would vote for higher salaries for all of them. However John Redwood, when he was a Tory minister was not of that view at all. On the contrary he wanted to take away your right to strike. I am sure he still does, but he spends more time now advising clients at his investment bank to pull out of the U.K. How do you feel, lining up behind him?
You are correct I did serve 30 years in the fire brigade and John Redwood is not someone I like. But having said that under Blair it was John Prescott who was kicking the fire brigade in the bollox so from a firefighter 's point of view we have been screwed by both sides. To try and answer you and Bournemouth Addick as honestly as I can my biggest fear over Brexit is the utter shambles of how it is being handled. I know that you and a lot of other remainers never thought we would get a good deal in the first place and that's fair enough. I also did not think that the EU would give us a good deal as it would encourage other countries to follow but never did I expect our side of the negotiations to be handled as poorly as this. So to sum it up. I still believe that in years to come other countries will leave the EU. (Greece and Italy) for starters and eventually the EU will collapse. If and when this happens we will be in a stronger position having left beforehand. But in the meantime I am as concerned as any Remainer about how the situation is being handled.
Good answer. I have liked it for the fact it's someone bothering to answer a difficult and embarrassing question, not because I agree with all of the points made.
I do agree though, that a lot of people (actually on both sides) didn't think we would be able to secure a good deal. In fact I would go further - I don't think we ever had a chance of securing a good deal, because we already had the best deal we could have.
I can't comment with any experience on firefighters and their treatment by a succession of governments. But I think it's unlikely that they will get the support and funding they need (and deserve) from the bumbling buffoons who will ride on the back of Brexit to steal power.
But, for fronting up and giving a full answer, I salute you, Blackpool!
Yes, this is a good answer. I think the only area I differ is I don't think we are best getting out beforehand - but we agree on a lot. And we can't expect to agree on everything! I know I annoy quite a few fellow remainers as I am very critical of the EU. I have to be honest and say that if we are not in it, I would not be arguing to join it. As we are in it, I would rather see us as a nuisance using the pressures that are clearly there to change the EU from within.
I think we are going to be damaged economically by leaving on poor terms, and I always thought we would be leaving on poor terms for a number of reasons. I don't understand those that say I'm not bothered if we are worse off, I just want to leave! Surely nobody votes to be worse off!
You can't put a price on having the right coloured travel documents.
You can laugh but dark blue is a better match for far more colours of clothes than maroon. It’s something the discerning traveller will be pleased about.
Don't talk tosh, @southbank. One of Johnson Gove or the Cartoon Aristocrat will be chosen as next Tory leader, and Labour under Corbyn will fail to defeat them because people like me cannot vote for them.
@blackpool72 I thought of a more precise question for you. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you are or were in the fire service. That's a profession I admire, and I would vote for higher salaries for all of them. However John Redwood, when he was a Tory minister was not of that view at all. On the contrary he wanted to take away your right to strike. I am sure he still does, but he spends more time now advising clients at his investment bank to pull out of the U.K. How do you feel, lining up behind him?
You are correct I did serve 30 years in the fire brigade and John Redwood is not someone I like. But having said that under Blair it was John Prescott who was kicking the fire brigade in the bollox so from a firefighter 's point of view we have been screwed by both sides. To try and answer you and Bournemouth Addick as honestly as I can my biggest fear over Brexit is the utter shambles of how it is being handled. I know that you and a lot of other remainers never thought we would get a good deal in the first place and that's fair enough. I also did not think that the EU would give us a good deal as it would encourage other countries to follow but never did I expect our side of the negotiations to be handled as poorly as this. So to sum it up. I still believe that in years to come other countries will leave the EU. (Greece and Italy) for starters and eventually the EU will collapse. If and when this happens we will be in a stronger position having left beforehand. But in the meantime I am as concerned as any Remainer about how the situation is being handled.
Good answer. I have liked it for the fact it's someone bothering to answer a difficult and embarrassing question, not because I agree with all of the points made.
I do agree though, that a lot of people (actually on both sides) didn't think we would be able to secure a good deal. In fact I would go further - I don't think we ever had a chance of securing a good deal, because we already had the best deal we could have.
I can't comment with any experience on firefighters and their treatment by a succession of governments. But I think it's unlikely that they will get the support and funding they need (and deserve) from the bumbling buffoons who will ride on the back of Brexit to steal power.
But, for fronting up and giving a full answer, I salute you, Blackpool!
Yes, this is a good answer. I think the only area I differ is I don't think we are best getting out beforehand - but we agree on a lot. And we can't expect to agree on everything! I know I annoy quite a few fellow remainers as I am very critical of the EU. I have to be honest and say that if we are not in it, I would not be arguing to join it. As we are in it, I would rather see us as a nuisance using the pressures that are clearly there to change the EU from within.
I think we are going to be damaged economically by leaving on poor terms, and I always thought we would be leaving on poor terms for a number of reasons. I don't understand those that say I'm not bothered if we are worse off, I just want to leave! Surely nobody votes to be worse off!
You can't put a price on having the right coloured travel documents.
I have never mentioned the colour of passports or anything else for that matter so I hope that comment was not aimed at me.
But you can't deny it is hugely important to the Brexit knuckle draggers!
I detest the nationalistic, jingoistic nonsense spouted by moronic brexiters who have no idea what Europe was like just a generation ago. Those that can remember should be ashamed.
Joni Mitchell didn’t know it when she penned the words “you don’t know what you got till it’s gone” but it could have been written for this catastrophic situation.
It's such a pity that the Leave campaign and subsequently the Government have focused on such dumbed down 'triumphs' as blue passports as well as idiotic statements like Red, White and Blue Brexit as well as Boris Johnson's new soundbite 'Full British Brexit'. Surely people expect more than this and aren't taken in by it? Leavers often accuse Remainers of patronising them but it seems it is their own leaders who are talking down to them and treating them like simpletons.
Momentum appear to be shifting position towards supporting a second referendum and thus taking that view at the Labour conference in September.
It appears that there is a petition to hold a vote across all 40,000 Momentum members. The petition is at 2,600 2,700 and requires 10% or 4,000 to take it to the next stage.
Source FT!
Instead of bickering and bad-mouthing Momentum, Corbyn and Labour, there is an alternative. With some delicious irony, perhaps those passionate remainers on the left and centre left might join up and join in with Labour and Momentum.
This so as to shift positions to where they want things to be. That's called democracy!
Any nihilist clown can have a pop at individuals using their keyboard. It takes effort, belief and a touch of class to actually make a positive contribution to the proceedings.
Momentum appear to be shifting position towards supporting a second referendum and thus taking that view at the Labour conference in September.
It appears that there is a petition to hold a vote across all 40,000 Momentum members. The petition is at 2,600 2,700 and requires 10% or 4,000 to take it to the next stage.
Source FT!
Instead of bickering and bad-mouthing Momentum, Corbyn and Labour, there is an alternative. With some delicious irony, perhaps those passionate remainers on the left and centre left might join up and join in with Labour and Momentum.
This so as to shift positions to where they want things to be. That's called democracy!
Any nihilist clown can have a pop at individuals using their keyboard. It takes effort, belief and a touch of class to actually make a positive contribution to the proceedings.
If Labour fully gets behind a second referendum then they will get my 100% support. It won’t happen though. Corbyn wants Brexit as badly as any of the rabid loony tunes in the Tory party. He’s just too cowardly and two faced to admit it.
As for joining labour at the moment. Sorry. Momentum are bullies and are holding the party by the balls. Any MP stepping out of line is threatened with deselection and dissenting voices at constituency level are shouted down.
Source : My neighbour. Life long member and long time constituency activist until last year. Says that meetings now are just like rallies where no questioning of policy is tolerated.
It's such a pity that the Leave campaign and subsequently the Government have focused on such dumbed down 'triumphs' as blue passports as well as idiotic statements like Red, White and Blue Brexit as well as Boris Johnson's new soundbite 'Full British Brexit'. Surely people expect more than this and aren't taken in by it? Leavers often accuse Remainers of patronising them but it seems it is their own leaders who are talking down to them and treating them like simpletons.
You're trying to apply logic to a completely illogical situation.
Each time someone that knows what they're are talking about comes out and tells us about the nightmare we are walking into I think "surely now people will realise how bad this is going to be" but it has no big impact on opinion polls. The truth is that if we had a second referendum tomorrow the result would still be too close to predict.
Neither of the big two parties, who as far as I can see are both peddling very similar positions - neither of which will be accepted by the EU, will seriously consider changing course until the opinion polls start to move significantly and I now don't think that this will happen in time to bring any sense or logic to the negotiations.
What if in 1939 a referendum were held as to whether we should surrender to Nazi Germany rather than fight to liberate Europe ?
What if a British PM had said that in the Reich we would be 4300 shillings better off per head ?
What if the PM had said that in exchange for surrendering the right to govern ourselves we could work anywhere in the Reich, perhaps making Panzers for deployment in the Eastern Front ? Or building the gas chambers and Camps for the Jews ?
What if the PM had said that we could travel anywhere within the Reich - No passports, cheap holidays in occupied sunny south of France and Fascist Italy, rather than Blackpool or Bournemouth ?
What if the PM had told us that Adolf Hitler would provide us with a nice cheap German car - the people's car - rather than having a British marque ? That instead of pie and mash for dinner we could have more exotic foreign food and all it would cost was our freedom ?
What if he said that hundreds of years of self-government was worth trading in for the chance to abolish exchange rates and borders within the Reich, and that we could eventually all trade using the Reichsmark instead of the pound ?
What if the PM said we would all be worse off for a generation if we did not join the Reich, as rationing would be introduced and last until 1954, and that we would have to borrow money under the Marshall Plan, a loan that would not be paid off until 2006 ? What would the people have said ? The generation of the early 20th century ? How would they have reacted ?
This is why we voted for Brexit. Because No single generation has the right to give away the independence that their Great Grandfathers and Grandfathers and in some cases Fathers Son's Brothers, Sisters Cousins, Uncles and Aunties fought and died for.....
What if in 1939 a referendum were held as to whether we should surrender to Nazi Germany rather than fight to liberate Europe ?
What if a British PM had said that in the Reich we would be 4300 shillings better off per head ?
What if the PM had said that in exchange for surrendering the right to govern ourselves we could work anywhere in the Reich, perhaps making Panzers for deployment in the Eastern Front ? Or building the gas chambers and Camps for the Jews ?
What if the PM had said that we could travel anywhere within the Reich - No passports, cheap holidays in occupied sunny south of France and Fascist Italy, rather than Blackpool or Bournemouth ?
What if the PM had told us that Adolf Hitler would provide us with a nice cheap German car - the people's car - rather than having a British marque ? That instead of pie and mash for dinner we could have more exotic foreign food and all it would cost was our freedom ?
What if he said that hundreds of years of self-government was worth trading in for the chance to abolish exchange rates and borders within the Reich, and that we could eventually all trade using the Reichsmark instead of the pound ?
What if the PM said we would all be worse off for a generation if we did not join the Reich, as rationing would be introduced and last until 1954, and that we would have to borrow money under the Marshall Plan, a loan that would not be paid off until 2006 ? What would the people have said ? The generation of the early 20th century ? How would they have reacted ?
This is why we voted for Brexit. Because No single generation has the right to give away the independence that their Great Grandfathers and Grandfathers and in some cases Fathers Son's Brothers, Sisters Cousins, Uncles and Aunties fought and died for.....
David Davis has one job: to negotiate a deal with Michel Barnier. We are half-way through the year. How much time do you think he has spent negotiating with his Brussels counterpart?
Well, if there are 150 working hours a month, over six months that would be 900 hours.
You could perhaps knock a bit off for travel (although Eurostar runs into the evenings) and other duties (does Davis do many constituency surgeries?) and perhaps a bit of holiday. So it won't come as much of a surprise that the total so far is a bit less than 900.
I won't keep anyone in suspense any longer. The total number of hours, so far this year, that our key Brexit negotiator has spent in talks with his counterpart this year is four.
Posts like the one above is what I have a big problem with. WW2, the British Empire - give it a rest! It contrasts perfectly with Blackpool's reasoned argument for Brexit. Too many people think in this way sadly!
What if in 1939 a referendum were held as to whether we should surrender to Nazi Germany rather than fight to liberate Europe ?
What if a British PM had said that in the Reich we would be 4300 shillings better off per head ?
What if the PM had said that in exchange for surrendering the right to govern ourselves we could work anywhere in the Reich, perhaps making Panzers for deployment in the Eastern Front ? Or building the gas chambers and Camps for the Jews ?
What if the PM had said that we could travel anywhere within the Reich - No passports, cheap holidays in occupied sunny south of France and Fascist Italy, rather than Blackpool or Bournemouth ?
What if the PM had told us that Adolf Hitler would provide us with a nice cheap German car - the people's car - rather than having a British marque ? That instead of pie and mash for dinner we could have more exotic foreign food and all it would cost was our freedom ?
What if he said that hundreds of years of self-government was worth trading in for the chance to abolish exchange rates and borders within the Reich, and that we could eventually all trade using the Reichsmark instead of the pound ?
What if the PM said we would all be worse off for a generation if we did not join the Reich, as rationing would be introduced and last until 1954, and that we would have to borrow money under the Marshall Plan, a loan that would not be paid off until 2006 ? What would the people have said ? The generation of the early 20th century ? How would they have reacted ?
This is why we voted for Brexit. Because No single generation has the right to give away the independence that their Great Grandfathers and Grandfathers and in some cases Fathers Son's Brothers, Sisters Cousins, Uncles and Aunties fought and died for.....
Because this is about more than economics ....!
Was land of hope and glory playing in the background whilst you wrote that and I can’t help thinking you with a Churchillian voice.
What if we had a referendum during the second world war to decide whether to seek the help of allies in defeating the Nazis? Surely we could have beaten them on our own!
That was an abysmal comparison but I guess if people can be persuaded to think like that it is obvious why they would vote to leave. Ironically Churchill was a great advocate of a united Europe. He would probably be turning in his grave about Brexit.
Posts like the one above is what I have a big problem with. WW2, the British Empire - give it a rest! It contrasts perfectly with Blackpool's reasoned argument for Brexit. Too many people think in this way sadly!
I recall watching Question time a while back and an old lady in the audience said that we can now go back to having an empire. I know there is a principle that everybody has a valid view, but really. If people like that lady can vote on such an important question you have to question why they don't let 16 year olds, who a) have a stake in the future and b) many of who have more awareness of reality!
What if in 1939 a referendum were held as to whether we should surrender to Nazi Germany rather than fight to liberate Europe ?
What if a British PM had said that in the Reich we would be 4300 shillings better off per head ?
What if the PM had said that in exchange for surrendering the right to govern ourselves we could work anywhere in the Reich, perhaps making Panzers for deployment in the Eastern Front ? Or building the gas chambers and Camps for the Jews ?
What if the PM had said that we could travel anywhere within the Reich - No passports, cheap holidays in occupied sunny south of France and Fascist Italy, rather than Blackpool or Bournemouth ?
What if the PM had told us that Adolf Hitler would provide us with a nice cheap German car - the people's car - rather than having a British marque ? That instead of pie and mash for dinner we could have more exotic foreign food and all it would cost was our freedom ?
What if he said that hundreds of years of self-government was worth trading in for the chance to abolish exchange rates and borders within the Reich, and that we could eventually all trade using the Reichsmark instead of the pound ?
What if the PM said we would all be worse off for a generation if we did not join the Reich, as rationing would be introduced and last until 1954, and that we would have to borrow money under the Marshall Plan, a loan that would not be paid off until 2006 ? What would the people have said ? The generation of the early 20th century ? How would they have reacted ?
This is why we voted for Brexit. Because No single generation has the right to give away the independence that their Great Grandfathers and Grandfathers and in some cases Fathers Son's Brothers, Sisters Cousins, Uncles and Aunties fought and died for.....
Because this is about more than economics ....!
The EU aren’t about to declare war on us. Everything about this post screams deluded ramblings imo
What if in 1939 a referendum were held as to whether we should surrender to Nazi Germany rather than fight to liberate Europe ?
What if a British PM had said that in the Reich we would be 4300 shillings better off per head ?
What if the PM had said that in exchange for surrendering the right to govern ourselves we could work anywhere in the Reich, perhaps making Panzers for deployment in the Eastern Front ? Or building the gas chambers and Camps for the Jews ?
What if the PM had said that we could travel anywhere within the Reich - No passports, cheap holidays in occupied sunny south of France and Fascist Italy, rather than Blackpool or Bournemouth ?
What if the PM had told us that Adolf Hitler would provide us with a nice cheap German car - the people's car - rather than having a British marque ? That instead of pie and mash for dinner we could have more exotic foreign food and all it would cost was our freedom ?
What if he said that hundreds of years of self-government was worth trading in for the chance to abolish exchange rates and borders within the Reich, and that we could eventually all trade using the Reichsmark instead of the pound ?
What if the PM said we would all be worse off for a generation if we did not join the Reich, as rationing would be introduced and last until 1954, and that we would have to borrow money under the Marshall Plan, a loan that would not be paid off until 2006 ? What would the people have said ? The generation of the early 20th century ? How would they have reacted ?
This is why we voted for Brexit. Because No single generation has the right to give away the independence that their Great Grandfathers and Grandfathers and in some cases Fathers Son's Brothers, Sisters Cousins, Uncles and Aunties fought and died for.....
Because this is about more than economics ....!
The EU aren’t about to declare war on us. Everything about this post screams deluded ramblings imo
Why does it?
3 replies and not one argument against it. Just one mild obsenity.
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I am not knocking your spelling or grammar, simply trying to understand what on earth you actually mean.
I know I will disagree with you, but I want to know what I am disagreeing with.
I think we are going to be damaged economically by leaving on poor terms, and I always thought we would be leaving on poor terms for a number of reasons. I don't understand those that say I'm not bothered if we are worse off, I just want to leave! Surely nobody votes to be worse off!
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/blue-passports-humiliation-brexit-theresa-may-shame-nationalism-a8124801.html
I detest the nationalistic, jingoistic nonsense spouted by moronic brexiters who have no idea what Europe was like just a generation ago. Those that can remember should be ashamed.
Joni Mitchell didn’t know it when she penned the words “you don’t know what you got till it’s gone” but it could have been written for this catastrophic situation.
It appears that there is a petition to hold a vote across all 40,000 Momentum members. The petition is at
2,6002,700 and requires 10% or 4,000 to take it to the next stage.Source FT!
Instead of bickering and bad-mouthing Momentum, Corbyn and Labour, there is an alternative. With some delicious irony, perhaps those passionate remainers on the left and centre left might join up and join in with Labour and Momentum.
This so as to shift positions to where they want things to be. That's called democracy!
Any nihilist clown can have a pop at individuals using their keyboard. It takes effort, belief and a touch of class to actually make a positive contribution to the proceedings.
As for joining labour at the moment. Sorry. Momentum are bullies and are holding the party by the balls. Any MP stepping out of line is threatened with deselection and dissenting voices at constituency level are shouted down.
Source : My neighbour. Life long member and long time constituency activist until last year. Says that meetings now are just like rallies where no questioning of policy is tolerated.
Labour as is can’t be my party again.
You've ruled yourself out @ShootersHillGuru but the question is open for anybody including myself - join Labour, join Momentum make a difference.
I'm one of 400,000 who joined Labour since Corbyn took over. A choice will have to be made.
Push comes to shove and I’ll take a Corbyn led Labour Government over any Tory Government but I think Corbyn will be a disaster for Labour long term.
Each time someone that knows what they're are talking about comes out and tells us about the nightmare we are walking into I think "surely now people will realise how bad this is going to be" but it has no big impact on opinion polls. The truth is that if we had a second referendum tomorrow the result would still be too close to predict.
Neither of the big two parties, who as far as I can see are both peddling very similar positions - neither of which will be accepted by the EU, will seriously consider changing course until the opinion polls start to move significantly and I now don't think that this will happen in time to bring any sense or logic to the negotiations.
What if in 1939 a referendum were held as to whether we should surrender to Nazi Germany rather than fight to liberate Europe ?
What if a British PM had said that in the Reich we would be 4300 shillings better off per head ?
What if the PM had said that in exchange for surrendering the right to govern ourselves we could work anywhere in the Reich, perhaps making Panzers for deployment in the Eastern Front ? Or building the gas chambers and Camps for the Jews ?
What if the PM had said that we could travel anywhere within the Reich - No passports, cheap holidays in occupied sunny south of France and Fascist Italy, rather than Blackpool or Bournemouth ?
What if the PM had told us that Adolf Hitler would provide us with a nice cheap German car - the people's car - rather than having a British marque ? That instead of pie and mash for dinner we could have more exotic foreign food and all it would cost was our freedom ?
What if he said that hundreds of years of self-government was worth trading in for the chance to abolish exchange rates and borders within the Reich, and that we could eventually all trade using the Reichsmark instead of the pound ?
What if the PM said we would all be worse off for a generation if we did not join the Reich, as rationing would be introduced and last until 1954, and that we would have to borrow money under the Marshall Plan, a loan that would not be paid off until 2006 ?
What would the people have said ? The generation of the early 20th century ? How would they have reacted ?
This is why we voted for Brexit. Because No single generation has the right to give away the independence that their Great Grandfathers and Grandfathers and in some cases Fathers Son's Brothers, Sisters Cousins, Uncles and Aunties fought and died for.....
Because this is about more than economics ....!
Well, if there are 150 working hours a month, over six months that would be 900 hours.
You could perhaps knock a bit off for travel (although Eurostar runs into the evenings) and other duties (does Davis do many constituency surgeries?) and perhaps a bit of holiday. So it won't come as much of a surprise that the total so far is a bit less than 900.
I won't keep anyone in suspense any longer. The total number of hours, so far this year, that our key Brexit negotiator has spent in talks with his counterpart this year is four.
What a complete load of bollocks
3 replies and not one argument against it. Just one mild obsenity.