So a whole new non productive industry created as a result of regulation costing more to run than it will ever deliver in value.
Don’t need regulations to find out if hotel is bring renovated or is going to be crap, log into Trip Advisor and do your own research.
People are now encouraged by authority to think they have no personal responsibility to protect themselves, they can be as dumb as they choose and the State will make sure laws exist for nanny to sort things out and run their life.
I suppose that is all you can do when yet another one of your anti EU rants is thoroughly and forensically dismantled......throw in a vacuous Chippy like response!
Quite the opposite, he wipes the arse of all the rubbish you lot speak...
So a whole new non productive industry created as a result of regulation costing more to run than it will ever deliver in value.
Don’t need regulations to find out if hotel is bring renovated or is going to be crap, log into Trip Advisor and do your own research.
People are now encouraged by authority to think they have no personal responsibility to protect themselves, they can be as dumb as they choose and the State will make sure laws exist for nanny to sort things out and run their life.
I suppose that is all you can do when yet another one of your anti EU rants is thoroughly and forensically dismantled......throw in a vacuous Chippy like response!
Quite the opposite, he wipes the arse of all the rubbish you lot speak...
Right on cue.
Never want to disappoint. Some of you are a bit obsessed by me...
So a whole new non productive industry created as a result of regulation costing more to run than it will ever deliver in value.
Don’t need regulations to find out if hotel is bring renovated or is going to be crap, log into Trip Advisor and do your own research.
People are now encouraged by authority to think they have no personal responsibility to protect themselves, they can be as dumb as they choose and the State will make sure laws exist for nanny to sort things out and run their life.
Right Now ha ha ha ha ha...
I am an antichrist I am an anarchist Don't know what I want But I know how to get it I wanna destroy passer by
Cause I Wanna be Anarchy No dogs body
Anarchy for the UK It's coming sometime and maybe I give a wrong time stop at traffic line Your future dream is a shopping scheme
Cause I I wanna be Anarchy In the city
How many ways to get what you want I use the best I use the rest I use the enemy I use anarchy
Cause I Wanna be Anarchy It's the only way to be
Is this the M.P.L.A Or is this the U.D.A Or is this the I.R.A I thought it was the UK Or just Another Country Another council tenancy
I wanna be Anarchy And I wanna be Anarchy Know what I mean And I wanna be Anarchist Get pissed Destroy
So a whole new non productive industry created as a result of regulation costing more to run than it will ever deliver in value.
Don’t need regulations to find out if hotel is bring renovated or is going to be crap, log into Trip Advisor and do your own research.
People are now encouraged by authority to think they have no personal responsibility to protect themselves, they can be as dumb as they choose and the State will make sure laws exist for nanny to sort things out and run their life.
I suppose that is all you can do when yet another one of your anti EU rants is thoroughly and forensically dismantled......throw in a vacuous Chippy like response!
Quite the opposite, he wipes the arse of all the rubbish you lot speak...
Right on cue.
Never want to disappoint. Some of you are a bit obsessed by me...
So a whole new non productive industry created as a result of regulation costing more to run than it will ever deliver in value.
Don’t need regulations to find out if hotel is bring renovated or is going to be crap, log into Trip Advisor and do your own research.
People are now encouraged by authority to think they have no personal responsibility to protect themselves, they can be as dumb as they choose and the State will make sure laws exist for nanny to sort things out and run their life.
I suppose that is all you can do when yet another one of your anti EU rants is thoroughly and forensically dismantled......throw in a vacuous Chippy like response!
Quite the opposite, he wipes the arse of all the rubbish you lot speak...
Don't get me wrong, and I know we're all friends here, really, deep down, but this might be a bit more "friendly" than any of us would want (particularly @Dippenhall).
And, in fairness, some of us might feel a bit uncomfortable.
Perhaps, a better wording (even if some of us disagree with the sentiment) would be "he wipes the floor with"...
So a whole new non productive industry created as a result of regulation costing more to run than it will ever deliver in value.
Don’t need regulations to find out if hotel is bring renovated or is going to be crap, log into Trip Advisor and do your own research.
People are now encouraged by authority to think they have no personal responsibility to protect themselves, they can be as dumb as they choose and the State will make sure laws exist for nanny to sort things out and run their life.
Okay here goes again.
Which "non productive industry" are you talking about that has been created since the introduction of the Directive in 1990 and how do you know what the cost benefit analysis of it is to be able to state it costs more than it will ever deliver in value? What financial value do you put on increased consumer confidence for example? The Regulations don't appear to have impacted on the number of holidays taken for sure.
I really don't want to get into any discussion with you about your views on the benefits of state intervention around consumer laws. I think we'd agreed we will never agree on this already. You've made it clear in the past and again in this post that for you the pursuit of a free market economy and the accompanying, low regulation race to the bottom, trumps our individual rights and benefits as citizens. Caveat emptor and all that.
But that really only goes so far in today's complicated market place doesn't it? Picking up on the travel industry we're trying to discuss, how do you propose a family laying out £1000's in January as a deposit on a summer holiday take, "personal responsibility to protect themselves". How are they supposed to ensure that the deposit is still recoverable 6 months later when the company's in financial trouble and can't supply the holiday nor a refund? Maybe they should take a trained auditor into the agents to book it with them!
Similarly, how does that family protect itself from rocking up in Spain and finding the tour operator has unilaterally decided to move them to a different hotel or resort than the one they booked? How were they to know 6 months earlier this was going to happen and take personal responsibility for it? Or maybe they're just, "dumb" as you put it?
They can look at Tripadvisor till the cows come home of course but this stuff happens and there's nothing they could have reasonably done to protect themselves. These aren't made up examples btw.
Maybe you or whoever is liking your nonsense posts could explain how the removal of the rules around protecting consumers financially and ensuring that they are equipped with enough info to make informed decisions plus a clear route to redress in the event something out of their control goes wrong is a good thing?
As ABTA say themselves,"...The PTD and PTR have contributed significantly to consumer protection rights since their introduction"
So on my way from one EU coast to another, what better than to drop in on the Brexit thread where island thinking is still very much in evidence.
@Dippenhall. Re the "facts" about GDP. If productivity is the driver, can you kindly explain to me why in the two years or so before the referendum, U.K. GDP growth was trending along the same path as the rest of the EU, but lurched downwards about half a year after the vote, while the EU Ticked upwards. I never underestimate your grasp of data, but I will be interested to see how you argue "productivity" as the only significant factor in what is a de-coupling in the last 18 months.
Right, my flight is boarding. Last week the German coast, tonight the Bulgarian Black Sea. Seamless, hassle free. One Europe. Love it. So long as I land in time for the match....
I didn't say productivity was the only driver, I was pointing out that GDP is 20% lower because of stagnating productivity growth. There are thousands of factors that determine GDP calculations, just because you isolate one factor and evaluate its effect doesn't mean it's the only factor. The uncertainty around what Brexit will look like means inwards investment has fallen dramatically and that is probably the greatest contributor to the worsening comparative position of the UK GDP versus the EU.
You will want to believe that's proof the World thinks the UK has no future post Brexit, in fact if you ask the people who are not investing it's simply because an investor does not choose to invest where the political and/or economic landscape is in a state of uncertainty. At the moment no one knows what Brexit will look like. When Brexit finally happens investors will factor in the impact of Brexit and seek opportunities that Brexit creates and ignore opportunities that Brexit doesn't help. The longer uncertainty exists and all sides are doing a great job on that, the longer will inward investment be hampered and GDP growth impacted.
The main point I am making, that no Remainer seems able to process or challenge, is that the predictions about Armageddon because of a 7.9% fall in GDP over 20 years is pure bollox and far worse a lie than the £350m to the NHS that no one took seriously except Remainers. We've already experienced three times worse a "fall" in GDP over 8 years accompanied by higher employment but flat wage growth. A small tick in productivity will outpace any negative impact of Brexit and you will only be able to make pointless unprovable statistics about what GDP would have been with or without Brexit.
If you are concerned about the economic impact you ought to try and form a balanced perspective rather than be blinded by meaningless hypothetical projections that can be blown off course by the next flap of the butterfly's wings. I accept Brexit will most likely have some negative consequences, I don't accept it is going to be any more significant than any of the thousand and one other factors that impact GDP for better or worse that are entirely outside our control and no one obsesses about or ever heard of.
So on my way from one EU coast to another, what better than to drop in on the Brexit thread where island thinking is still very much in evidence.
@Dippenhall. Re the "facts" about GDP. If productivity is the driver, can you kindly explain to me why in the two years or so before the referendum, U.K. GDP growth was trending along the same path as the rest of the EU, but lurched downwards about half a year after the vote, while the EU Ticked upwards. I never underestimate your grasp of data, but I will be interested to see how you argue "productivity" as the only significant factor in what is a de-coupling in the last 18 months.
Right, my flight is boarding. Last week the German coast, tonight the Bulgarian Black Sea. Seamless, hassle free. One Europe. Love it. So long as I land in time for the match....
I didn't say productivity was the only driver, I was pointing out that GDP is 20% lower because of stagnating productivity growth. There are thousands of factors that determine GDP calculations, just because you isolate one factor and evaluate its effect doesn't mean it's the only factor. The uncertainty around what Brexit will look like means inwards investment has fallen dramatically and that is probably the greatest contributor to the worsening comparative position of the UK GDP versus the EU.
You will want to believe that's proof the World thinks the UK has no future post Brexit, in fact if you ask the people who are not investing it's simply because an investor does not choose to invest where the political and/or economic landscape is in a state of uncertainty. At the moment no one knows what Brexit will look like. When Brexit finally happens investors will factor in the impact of Brexit and seek opportunities that Brexit creates and ignore opportunities that Brexit doesn't help. The longer uncertainty exists and all sides are doing a great job on that, the longer will inward investment be hampered and GDP growth impacted.
The main point I am making, that no Remainer seems able to process or challenge, is that the predictions about Armageddon because of a 7.9% fall in GDP over 20 years is pure bollox and far worse a lie than the £350m to the NHS that no one took seriously except Remainers. We've already experienced three times worse a "fall" in GDP over 8 years accompanied by higher employment but flat wage growth. A small tick in productivity will outpace any negative impact of Brexit and you will only be able to make pointless unprovable statistics about what GDP would have been with or without Brexit.
If you are concerned about the economic impact you ought to try and form a balanced perspective rather than be blinded by meaningless hypothetical projections that can be blown off course by the next flap of the butterfly's wings. I accept Brexit will most likely have some negative consequences, I don't accept it is going to be any more significant than any of the thousand and one other factors that impact GDP for better or worse that are entirely outside our control and no one obsesses about or ever heard of.
When you mention uncertainty, yet from that uncertainty you say stuff like 'A small tick in productivity will outpace any negative impact of Brexit', or 'When Brexit finally happens investors will factor in the impact of Brexit and seek opportunities that Brexit creates' are you not yourself indulging in the hypotheticals that you criticise others for doing?
May I introduce something real? Post brexit a different kind of land border will be introduced between the UK and the EU. Not hypothetical, but because the EU will be the EU and the UK will be the UK. In real, workable, practical terms what happens on that border? Or even if you think it is a hypothetical question what are going to be the range of options to choose from? There can't be that many. We are talking about a border nearly 400 miles long with nearly 300 known crossing points. We are talking both goods and people here. If brexit means regaining control of the UK borders, how will that actually happen? I think you and I and everybody realises that it won't happen, and therefore brexit itself won't happen. If brexit won't happen then surely all bets are off axiomatically? Or is there a way to control the UK borders without controlling the UK borders?
So a whole new non productive industry created as a result of regulation costing more to run than it will ever deliver in value.
Don’t need regulations to find out if hotel is bring renovated or is going to be crap, log into Trip Advisor and do your own research.
People are now encouraged by authority to think they have no personal responsibility to protect themselves, they can be as dumb as they choose and the State will make sure laws exist for nanny to sort things out and run their life.
If you want to study Trip Advisor (or its equivalent) for every transaction, then fine. What about those that don't have access - are their rights to be discarded? Lots of people don't have the time or the technology to scrutinise the online records of all the companies they deal with. Such reportage is often poor anyway given that it is so heavily reliant on those with extreme experiences/perceptions.
As for being 'non-productive', what could be more non-productive than wasting the time of millions of people, expecting everyone to scrutinise the same handful of reviews? That's not 'productive', that's not 'good value', but somehow it's not counted because the time of ordinary people counts for nothing in your economic value system. The human race is so much better than this heartless buyer beware philosophy and it deserves far more. I applaud the EU for standing up for consumer rights, whether that's regarding holidays or in other spheres. We are civilised people and we should be getting these things right from the off. We shouldn't have to worry that we might be ripped off by some charlatan, it should be a given that we won't be. Your attitude that everything should be down to individuals is precisely the reason why we need a strong regulatory framework.
JLR has warned that crashing out of the EU without a trade deal [as proposed by many Brexiters, claiming "it's what we voted for"] would cost them £1.2bn a year.
They employ 40,000 people in Britain (that's quite a lot of people for anyone to volunteer to drive to the airport) and export £18bn worth of goods a year.
I guess we will find out soon whether Theresa May's slumber party this weekend will end up upsetting the hardliners or sending another iconic British brand abroad.
JLR has warned that crashing out of the EU without a trade deal [as proposed by many Brexiters, claiming "it's what we voted for"] would cost them £1.2bn a year.
They employ 40,000 people in Britain (that's quite a lot of people for anyone to volunteer to drive to the airport) and export £18bn worth of goods a year.
I guess we will find out soon whether Theresa May's slumber party this weekend will end up upsetting the hardliners or sending another iconic British brand abroad.
I’m still intrigued as to what will come out of the wash as yo promises made by the government to businesses. Remember Nissan straight after the result. How many other Nissans are there that the government have given assurances too, and at what cost to us
JLR has warned that crashing out of the EU without a trade deal [as proposed by many Brexiters, claiming "it's what we voted for"] would cost them £1.2bn a year.
They employ 40,000 people in Britain (that's quite a lot of people for anyone to volunteer to drive to the airport) and export £18bn worth of goods a year.
I guess we will find out soon whether Theresa May's slumber party this weekend will end up upsetting the hardliners or sending another iconic British brand abroad.
Worth mentioning they are owned by an Indian firm but globalization is a fact of life, whether good or bad. What is bad, is allowing 40000 jobs to be frittered away.
JLR has warned that crashing out of the EU without a trade deal [as proposed by many Brexiters, claiming "it's what we voted for"] would cost them £1.2bn a year.
They employ 40,000 people in Britain (that's quite a lot of people for anyone to volunteer to drive to the airport) and export £18bn worth of goods a year.
I guess we will find out soon whether Theresa May's slumber party this weekend will end up upsetting the hardliners or sending another iconic British brand abroad.
I’m still intrigued as to what will come out of the wash as yo promises made by the government to businesses. Remember Nissan straight after the result. How many other Nissans are there that the government have given assurances too, and at what cost to us
Absolutely. And whatever the deal (am I allowed to say "bribe"?) offered to Nissan, the Government ought to do better with the next one. Because Nissan are already threatening to quit.
Yesterdayish it was all about a feck off EU 'hard' brexit, today rumoured information indicates BINO, or no brexit. All this before the EU sees the proposals. None of this stuff is down to remoaners, it is phenomenological. It is hard to negotiate or propose something when nobody knows what that something is.
So a whole new non productive industry created as a result of regulation costing more to run than it will ever deliver in value.
Don’t need regulations to find out if hotel is bring renovated or is going to be crap, log into Trip Advisor and do your own research.
People are now encouraged by authority to think they have no personal responsibility to protect themselves, they can be as dumb as they choose and the State will make sure laws exist for nanny to sort things out and run their life.
So there it is folks. We don't need regulation of the travel industry to protect consumers, we've got TripAdvisor.
I think RD and the management of the Hotel Stayen can quickly point up the fairly large flaw in that argument.
Too hung over to respond to your GDP post for now. Think I can just about manage to help Southbank out...
Actually when I said seamless I forgot about Bulgarian passport control. I listened to the whole second half in the queue :-(
One Europe?
Bulgaria is not in Schengen. There is a lot of work to be done before it can join. The U.K. is not either of course and round the dinner table there were several remarks to the effect that Heathrow is often not much better than Burgas at passport control
I asked you to quantify 'a lot' in relation to remainers not wanting England to win because it is too brexity. So there's just one is there?
There will be leavers and remainers not wanting England to win - a significant proportion of Scots, Welsh and Irish for a start. Nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit.
JLR has warned that crashing out of the EU without a trade deal [as proposed by many Brexiters, claiming "it's what we voted for"] would cost them £1.2bn a year.
They employ 40,000 people in Britain (that's quite a lot of people for anyone to volunteer to drive to the airport) and export £18bn worth of goods a year.
I guess we will find out soon whether Theresa May's slumber party this weekend will end up upsetting the hardliners or sending another iconic British brand abroad.
I’m still intrigued as to what will come out of the wash as yo promises made by the government to businesses. Remember Nissan straight after the result. How many other Nissans are there that the government have given assurances too, and at what cost to us
For "promises" to business, read flimsy platitudes. TM and her blundering cohort show no sign of ever having the first fucking idea what they are negotiating towards, let alone how to do it. The Rees-Mogg/Boris cadre of financially insulated, morally repugnant little englanders give not one fuck about anybody other than themselves and whichever self-serving notion they choose to espouse. They hector from the side lines appealing cynically to the blinkered, bigotted and bovine, knowing their teflon existence will slide ever onward frictionless and without consequence. JLR employ 40,000 in UK. Add to that Toyota in Sunderland, Nissan in Washington, Honda in Swindon, the formerly opel/vauxhall van factory in Luton, Mini in Oxford, Bentley, Rolls Royce and Aston Martin; all assemble vehicles in UK purely for frictionless trade into EU. All owned by overseas corporations, all with the ability to replace the UK assembly function overseas at a moment's notice. And they will do, without a backwards glance. UK's craving to fuck its remaining manufacturing industries squarely up the arse will not deflect those corporations from going about their normal business. Where their cars are assembled makes not one jot of difference to any of them, so long as they sell at a margin. They'll build em in North Korea, Syria, Israel or Saudi if it turns a profit. The oft heard drivel about 'EU needs UK as much as vice versa' is just lunacy. The EU will turn away without a moment's hesitation. It will impose whatever tariffs, restrictions, conditions, red tape and barriers it likes, when it likes and there won't be a single fucking thing we can do about it. UK has given EU the ball to keep and they'll make up the rules to suit them. Stick all those workers on the dole and tell me playing hardball with EU, demanding this, insisting on that, dictating terms isn't a monumentally fucktarded attitude. None of those factories are on our doorstep in southeast London but the crippling impact of fucking that up will be hitting us all in the pocket, and worse, for a generation at least. Brexit is a gift wrapped opportunity for EU to take hundreds of thousands off their dole queues as manufacturers and service providers migrate en masse. Having your European break covered by some sort of guarantee won't register on your list of concerns in 5 years time, indeed foreign holidays will become the preserve of a very privileged tiny tiny minority.
With a bad deal or, worse, no deal; UK plc's balance sheet will move in the same direction at the same rate as CAFC's has under the fuckwitted malicious ministrations of the belgian wankstain. The main difference is that roly's tenure might end - the only thing we know about brexit is that it is irreversible.
With a bad deal or, worse, no deal; UK plc's balance sheet will move in the same direction at the same rate as CAFC's has under the fuckwitted malicious ministrations of the belgian wankstain. The main difference is that roly's tenure might end - the only thing we know about brexit is that it is irreversible.
May saying ministers have a duty to agree deal. Doesn't say they should agree the deal on merit or concious, no, duty is apparently to top (only?) reason it worth agreeing to.
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ha ha ha ha ha...
I am an antichrist
I am an anarchist
Don't know what I want
But I know how to get it
I wanna destroy passer by
Cause I
Wanna be
Anarchy
No dogs body
Anarchy for the UK
It's coming sometime and maybe
I give a wrong time stop at traffic line
Your future dream is a shopping scheme
Cause I
I wanna be
Anarchy
In the city
How many ways to get what you want
I use the best
I use the rest
I use the enemy
I use anarchy
Cause I
Wanna be
Anarchy
It's the only way to be
Is this the M.P.L.A
Or is this the U.D.A
Or is this the I.R.A
I thought it was the UK
Or just
Another
Country
Another council tenancy
I wanna be
Anarchy
And I wanna be
Anarchy
Know what I mean
And I wanna be
Anarchist
Get pissed
Destroy
And, in fairness, some of us might feel a bit uncomfortable.
Perhaps, a better wording (even if some of us disagree with the sentiment) would be "he wipes the floor with"...
Which "non productive industry" are you talking about that has been created since the introduction of the Directive in 1990 and how do you know what the cost benefit analysis of it is to be able to state it costs more than it will ever deliver in value? What financial value do you put on increased consumer confidence for example? The Regulations don't appear to have impacted on the number of holidays taken for sure.
I really don't want to get into any discussion with you about your views on the benefits of state intervention around consumer laws. I think we'd agreed we will never agree on this already. You've made it clear in the past and again in this post that for you the pursuit of a free market economy and the accompanying, low regulation race to the bottom, trumps our individual rights and benefits as citizens. Caveat emptor and all that.
But that really only goes so far in today's complicated market place doesn't it? Picking up on the travel industry we're trying to discuss, how do you propose a family laying out £1000's in January as a deposit on a summer holiday take, "personal responsibility to protect themselves". How are they supposed to ensure that the deposit is still recoverable 6 months later when the company's in financial trouble and can't supply the holiday nor a refund? Maybe they should take a trained auditor into the agents to book it with them!
Similarly, how does that family protect itself from rocking up in Spain and finding the tour operator has unilaterally decided to move them to a different hotel or resort than the one they booked? How were they to know 6 months earlier this was going to happen and take personal responsibility for it? Or maybe they're just, "dumb" as you put it?
They can look at Tripadvisor till the cows come home of course but this stuff happens and there's nothing they could have reasonably done to protect themselves. These aren't made up examples btw.
Maybe you or whoever is liking your nonsense posts could explain how the removal of the rules around protecting consumers financially and ensuring that they are equipped with enough info to make informed decisions plus a clear route to redress in the event something out of their control goes wrong is a good thing?
As ABTA say themselves,"...The PTD and PTR have contributed significantly to consumer protection rights since their introduction"
You will want to believe that's proof the World thinks the UK has no future post Brexit, in fact if you ask the people who are not investing it's simply because an investor does not choose to invest where the political and/or economic landscape is in a state of uncertainty. At the moment no one knows what Brexit will look like. When Brexit finally happens investors will factor in the impact of Brexit and seek opportunities that Brexit creates and ignore opportunities that Brexit doesn't help. The longer uncertainty exists and all sides are doing a great job on that, the longer will inward investment be hampered and GDP growth impacted.
The main point I am making, that no Remainer seems able to process or challenge, is that the predictions about Armageddon because of a 7.9% fall in GDP over 20 years is pure bollox and far worse a lie than the £350m to the NHS that no one took seriously except Remainers. We've already experienced three times worse a "fall" in GDP over 8 years accompanied by higher employment but flat wage growth. A small tick in productivity will outpace any negative impact of Brexit and you will only be able to make pointless unprovable statistics about what GDP would have been with or without Brexit.
If you are concerned about the economic impact you ought to try and form a balanced perspective rather than be blinded by meaningless hypothetical projections that can be blown off course by the next flap of the butterfly's wings. I accept Brexit will most likely have some negative consequences, I don't accept it is going to be any more significant than any of the thousand and one other factors that impact GDP for better or worse that are entirely outside our control and no one obsesses about or ever heard of.
May I introduce something real?
Post brexit a different kind of land border will be introduced between the UK and the EU. Not hypothetical, but because the EU will be the EU and the UK will be the UK.
In real, workable, practical terms what happens on that border? Or even if you think it is a hypothetical question what are going to be the range of options to choose from? There can't be that many.
We are talking about a border nearly 400 miles long with nearly 300 known crossing points. We are talking both goods and people here.
If brexit means regaining control of the UK borders, how will that actually happen?
I think you and I and everybody realises that it won't happen, and therefore brexit itself won't happen. If brexit won't happen then surely all bets are off axiomatically?
Or is there a way to control the UK borders without controlling the UK borders?
As for being 'non-productive', what could be more non-productive than wasting the time of millions of people, expecting everyone to scrutinise the same handful of reviews? That's not 'productive', that's not 'good value', but somehow it's not counted because the time of ordinary people counts for nothing in your economic value system. The human race is so much better than this heartless buyer beware philosophy and it deserves far more. I applaud the EU for standing up for consumer rights, whether that's regarding holidays or in other spheres. We are civilised people and we should be getting these things right from the off. We shouldn't have to worry that we might be ripped off by some charlatan, it should be a given that we won't be. Your attitude that everything should be down to individuals is precisely the reason why we need a strong regulatory framework.
They employ 40,000 people in Britain (that's quite a lot of people for anyone to volunteer to drive to the airport) and export £18bn worth of goods a year.
I guess we will find out soon whether Theresa May's slumber party this weekend will end up upsetting the hardliners or sending another iconic British brand abroad.
All this before the EU sees the proposals.
None of this stuff is down to remoaners, it is phenomenological.
It is hard to negotiate or propose something when nobody knows what that something is.
He's obviously not on CL, I mean, how could he fail to capitalise World Cup????
I think RD and the management of the Hotel Stayen can quickly point up the fairly large flaw in that argument.
Too hung over to respond to your GDP post for now. Think I can just about manage to help Southbank out...
The U.K. is not either of course and round the dinner table there were several remarks to the effect that Heathrow is often not much better than Burgas at passport control
I asked you to quantify 'a lot' in relation to remainers not wanting England to win because it is too brexity. So there's just one is there?
There will be leavers and remainers not wanting England to win - a significant proportion of Scots, Welsh and Irish for a start. Nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit.
Straw man.
JLR employ 40,000 in UK. Add to that Toyota in Sunderland, Nissan in Washington, Honda in Swindon, the formerly opel/vauxhall van factory in Luton, Mini in Oxford, Bentley, Rolls Royce and Aston Martin; all assemble vehicles in UK purely for frictionless trade into EU. All owned by overseas corporations, all with the ability to replace the UK assembly function overseas at a moment's notice. And they will do, without a backwards glance. UK's craving to fuck its remaining manufacturing industries squarely up the arse will not deflect those corporations from going about their normal business. Where their cars are assembled makes not one jot of difference to any of them, so long as they sell at a margin. They'll build em in North Korea, Syria, Israel or Saudi if it turns a profit.
The oft heard drivel about 'EU needs UK as much as vice versa' is just lunacy. The EU will turn away without a moment's hesitation. It will impose whatever tariffs, restrictions, conditions, red tape and barriers it likes, when it likes and there won't be a single fucking thing we can do about it. UK has given EU the ball to keep and they'll make up the rules to suit them.
Stick all those workers on the dole and tell me playing hardball with EU, demanding this, insisting on that, dictating terms isn't a monumentally fucktarded attitude. None of those factories are on our doorstep in southeast London but the crippling impact of fucking that up will be hitting us all in the pocket, and worse, for a generation at least.
Brexit is a gift wrapped opportunity for EU to take hundreds of thousands off their dole queues as manufacturers and service providers migrate en masse.
Having your European break covered by some sort of guarantee won't register on your list of concerns in 5 years time, indeed foreign holidays will become the preserve of a very privileged tiny tiny minority.
Heads gone