Listened to a Gove interview where he spouted that the British people voted to cut all ties with Europe and stop free movement of people. Sorry Michael the Leave campaign website and even arch leavers like Farage campaigned that leaving EU did not mean leaving CU, hence free movement. Obviously Brexiteers didn't know what they were voting for but a hard Brexit wasn't on the table until May failed to get a mandate for it in the election. TV interviewers ffs do some research.
What was it Jomo Kenyatta said about British Missionaries (you know, those one who spread 'British values')? "The white man came and encouraged us to kneel down and pray, and when we opened our eyes our land was gone".
What the hell has this got to do with this thread.... Your posts get more bizarre everyday... No doubt your other inmates will think this is great.
Because earlier the word missionary was mentioned. It is also a comment on one aspect of British history and so called British values. No need to thank me.
Will we reach the point when pro brexit voters admit they didn't know what they were voting for, or is the present nightmare to be seen as all part of the brexit voters plan?
back to that old chestnut again are we.
I know what I voted for......can't talk for the other 18m leave voters.
The problem is The Government didn't realise what leave meant & still don't. Should never have had a remainer as the leader of the party, either before the Referendum or after.
The worst thing that has happend in British politics over the last 3 years is Corbyn being elected Labour leader. Virtually anyone else (apart from Diane Abbott) & the country would now be pushing for a vote of no confidence & a Labour landslide.
If I understand you correctly leave voters knew what leave meant but it's just the Government that didn't. Was this part of the plan, or did leave voters simply close their ears to remainer warnings? You say the chestnut is old but I say it is current. Surely leave voters thought through the full implications of what they voted for or they didn't have a clue what they were doing. If I am right brexit voters don't know what they want, but want it anyway. If they don't get what they don't know what they want, they blame somebody without thinking maybe they themselves are totally responsible for this nightmare. Nothing to do with a 'remainer' government.
Still no solution to the Irish border in these latest proposals. I expect they are unacceptable to the wider EU anyway.
It doesn't matter.
Footballs coming home x
Wasted here mate... They all follow France, Belgium and Croatia... Like good patriots that they are.
Got any names for “they” or is it just another brexiters sondbite that has fuck all substance ?
So after 2 years you now become patriotic... I will ignore your spelling btw....
Always have been patriotic Chippy. I want whats best for this country to thrive. Thats why I despair at moronic brexiteers thinking anyone that doesnt want a blue passport is a traitor. This country will take a big hit post brexit. My Children and grandchild live here. Of course I want whats best for the UK. That is not brexit.
Will we reach the point when pro brexit voters admit they didn't know what they were voting for, or is the present nightmare to be seen as all part of the brexit voters plan?
back to that old chestnut again are we.
I know what I voted for......can't talk for the other 18m leave voters.
The problem is The Government didn't realise what leave meant & still don't. Should never have had a remainer as the leader of the party, either before the Referendum or after.
The worst thing that has happend in British politics over the last 3 years is Corbyn being elected Labour leader. Virtually anyone else (apart from Diane Abbott) & the country would now be pushing for a vote of no confidence & a Labour landslide.
If I understand you correctly leave voters knew what leave meant but it's just the Government that didn't. Was this part of the plan, or did leave voters simply close their ears to remainer warnings? You say the chestnut is old but I say it is current. Surely leave voters thought through the full implications of what they voted for or they didn't have a clue what they were doing. If I am right brexit voters don't know what they want, but want it anyway. If they don't get what they don't know what they want, they blame somebody without thinking maybe they themselves are totally responsible for this nightmare. Nothing to do with a 'remainer' government.
Sorry, but I just don't get what you are going on about. Time & time again you say the same old thing...." leave voters didn't know they were voting for" as if there was a menu & we had to put a tick against a number of issues.
I thought the Referendum was pretty simple. Do you want to leave the EU....Yes or No. For me personally that meant:
The UK had a say in the number of people entering the country & not just an open door policy to 26 other European countries.
the UK parliament & Judiciary to be able to make & uphold our own laws.
That was it basically. I didn't fall for that old guff about £350m for the NHS & naively thought that The Government actually knew what they were doing when the announced a Referendum.......that they actually knew what "to leave the EU" meant & that it could be delivered.
As a financial adviser I don't expect all my clients to understand how a pension works, how they go from paying into it to it then paying out. I do all that for them. I wouldn't make a very good adviser if after 2 years I was still asking them "this income you need......do you want it to come from the natural income your underlying assets produce or from the capital growth or both ?.........because if its from natural income then we may have to move your funds from accumulation ones to income ones, and if its from capital growth we may have a problem because your current provider can't facilitate it".
Will we reach the point when pro brexit voters admit they didn't know what they were voting for, or is the present nightmare to be seen as all part of the brexit voters plan?
back to that old chestnut again are we.
I know what I voted for......can't talk for the other 18m leave voters.
The problem is The Government didn't realise what leave meant & still don't. Should never have had a remainer as the leader of the party, either before the Referendum or after.
The worst thing that has happend in British politics over the last 3 years is Corbyn being elected Labour leader. Virtually anyone else (apart from Diane Abbott) & the country would now be pushing for a vote of no confidence & a Labour landslide.
If I understand you correctly leave voters knew what leave meant but it's just the Government that didn't. Was this part of the plan, or did leave voters simply close their ears to remainer warnings? You say the chestnut is old but I say it is current. Surely leave voters thought through the full implications of what they voted for or they didn't have a clue what they were doing. If I am right brexit voters don't know what they want, but want it anyway. If they don't get what they don't know what they want, they blame somebody without thinking maybe they themselves are totally responsible for this nightmare. Nothing to do with a 'remainer' government.
Sorry, but I just don't get what you are going on about. Time & time again you say the same old thing...." leave voters didn't know they were voting for" as if there was a menu & we had to put a tick against a number of issues.
I thought the Referendum was pretty simple. Do you want to leave the EU....Yes or No. For me personally that meant:
The UK had a say in the number of people entering the country & not just an open door policy to 26 other European countries.
the UK parliament & Judiciary to be able to make & uphold our own laws.
That was it basically. I didn't fall for that old guff about £350m for the NHS & naively thought that The Government actually knew what they were doing when the announced a Referendum.......that they actually knew what "to leave the EU" meant & that it could be delivered.
As a financial adviser I don't expect all my clients to understand how a pension works, how they go from paying into it to it then paying out. I do all that for them. I wouldn't make a very good adviser if after 2 years I was still asking them "this income you need......do you want it to come from the natural income your underlying assets produce or from the capital growth or both ?.........because if its from natural income then we may have to move your funds from accumulation ones to income ones, and if its from capital growth we may have a problem because your current provider can't facilitate it".
Still no solution to the Irish border in these latest proposals. I expect they are unacceptable to the wider EU anyway.
It doesn't matter.
Footballs coming home x
Wasted here mate... They all follow France, Belgium and Croatia... Like good patriots that they are.
You don’t half jabber some shit at times Chippy.
Ditto
Er, I very rarely comment on this thread. I leave it to the more astute posters then I just like their posts like a good little cult follower that I am.
Still think that your assumption that those of us not best pleased by us leaving the EU means that we’ll support anyone but England in the WC is a load of bollocks.
Still no solution to the Irish border in these latest proposals. I expect they are unacceptable to the wider EU anyway.
It doesn't matter.
Footballs coming home x
Wasted here mate... They all follow France, Belgium and Croatia... Like good patriots that they are.
You don’t half jabber some shit at times Chippy.
Ditto
Er, I very rarely comment on this thread. I leave it to the more astute posters then I just like their posts like a good little cult follower that I am.
I am not talking about here. Just ignore yours elsewhere.
Will we reach the point when pro brexit voters admit they didn't know what they were voting for, or is the present nightmare to be seen as all part of the brexit voters plan?
back to that old chestnut again are we.
I know what I voted for......can't talk for the other 18m leave voters.
The problem is The Government didn't realise what leave meant & still don't. Should never have had a remainer as the leader of the party, either before the Referendum or after.
The worst thing that has happend in British politics over the last 3 years is Corbyn being elected Labour leader. Virtually anyone else (apart from Diane Abbott) & the country would now be pushing for a vote of no confidence & a Labour landslide.
If I understand you correctly leave voters knew what leave meant but it's just the Government that didn't. Was this part of the plan, or did leave voters simply close their ears to remainer warnings? You say the chestnut is old but I say it is current. Surely leave voters thought through the full implications of what they voted for or they didn't have a clue what they were doing. If I am right brexit voters don't know what they want, but want it anyway. If they don't get what they don't know what they want, they blame somebody without thinking maybe they themselves are totally responsible for this nightmare. Nothing to do with a 'remainer' government.
Sorry, but I just don't get what you are going on about. Time & time again you say the same old thing...." leave voters didn't know they were voting for" as if there was a menu & we had to put a tick against a number of issues.
I thought the Referendum was pretty simple. Do you want to leave the EU....Yes or No. For me personally that meant:
The UK had a say in the number of people entering the country & not just an open door policy to 26 other European countries.
the UK parliament & Judiciary to be able to make & uphold our own laws.
That was it basically. I didn't fall for that old guff about £350m for the NHS & naively thought that The Government actually knew what they were doing when the announced a Referendum.......that they actually knew what "to leave the EU" meant & that it could be delivered.
As a financial adviser I don't expect all my clients to understand how a pension works, how they go from paying into it to it then paying out. I do all that for them. I wouldn't make a very good adviser if after 2 years I was still asking them "this income you need......do you want it to come from the natural income your underlying assets produce or from the capital growth or both ?.........because if its from natural income then we may have to move your funds from accumulation ones to income ones, and if its from capital growth we may have a problem because your current provider can't facilitate it".
If one of your two main reasons was about the number of people entering the country, then did you think through how that might apply on the land border with the EU?
Golfie please see my post above. Leavers including Farage, the Leave website and others did not campaign to leave the Customs Union. How have they suddenly got a mandate for a Hard Brexit?
Interesting that this thread has turned from(often) reasoned argument to mindless squabbling. Is this because the Government has managed to come up with a position which suits nobody? Leavers do not like it, Remainers do not like it and the EU does not like it. You may say that all compromises are like that but the problem with this one is that it has to be turned into law. What is the betting that once the EU has said no , May will concede free movement, ECJ control and remaining in the single market and customs union? Brexit would not mean Brexit and the Tories will fully join Labour as an anti-Brexit Party. The referendum result will have been overturned, as was always the intention from day one and many people will not vote again. A victory for Brussels and international capital.
Good luck you Corbyn guys in challenging capitalism with 11 million votes when 17m votes can be ignored by the way.
Interesting that this thread has turned from(often) reasoned argument to mindless squabbling. Is this because the Government has managed to come up with a position which suits nobody? Leavers do not like it, Remainers do not like it and the EU does not like it. You may say that all compromises are like that but the problem with this one is that it has to be turned into law. What is the betting that once the EU has said no , May will concede free movement, ECJ control and remaining in the single market and customs union? Brexit would not mean Brexit and the Tories will fully join Labour as an anti-Brexit Party. The referendum result will have been overturned, as was always the intention from day one and many people will not vote again. A victory for Brussels and international capital.
Good luck you Corbyn guys in challenging capitalism with 11 million votes when 17m votes can be ignored by the way.
Do you think it is ok to ignore 16 million votes?
I suppose your only hope is that Putin steps in and helps fuck over our democracy yet again!
Interesting that this thread has turned from(often) reasoned argument to mindless squabbling. Is this because the Government has managed to come up with a position which suits nobody? Leavers do not like it, Remainers do not like it and the EU does not like it. You may say that all compromises are like that but the problem with this one is that it has to be turned into law. What is the betting that once the EU has said no , May will concede free movement, ECJ control and remaining in the single market and customs union? Brexit would not mean Brexit and the Tories will fully join Labour as an anti-Brexit Party. The referendum result will have been overturned, as was always the intention from day one and many people will not vote again. A victory for Brussels and international capital.
Good luck you Corbyn guys in challenging capitalism with 11 million votes when 17m votes can be ignored by the way.
When you say the referendum result would have been overturned as was always the intention from day one, I ask who's intention? Certainly not mine, I have consistently said to brexit voters you won, run with it. The issue is that nobody actually knew what to do with the referendum result isn't it? Not to do with any intention of anybody. 17 million votes are not being ignored by me, a loser, at least. I acknowledge the victory, I don't want a people's vote, or another referendum, my challenge is now you have won own what is happening. Your post reads to me like another variation of the blame game. If 17 million voters between them can't do better than this it is hardly the fault of remainers who didn't vote for it.
Still no solution to the Irish border in these latest proposals. I expect they are unacceptable to the wider EU anyway.
It doesn't matter.
Footballs coming home x
Wasted here mate... They all follow France, Belgium and Croatia... Like good patriots that they are.
You don’t half jabber some shit at times Chippy.
Ditto
Er, I very rarely comment on this thread. I leave it to the more astute posters then I just like their posts like a good little cult follower that I am.
I am not talking about here. Just ignore yours elsewhere.
The referendum was a fraud, an offer to have 100% control of migration with no economic consequences. As soon as the vote was won the leaders of the brexit campaign disappeared from the Tory leadership race in full knowledge that the vision they had promoted was totally undeliverable. Cameron justifiably gets stick for calling the referendum in the first place, May has been inept throughout and Corbyn justifiably gets stick for sabotaging the remain campaign but the biggest criticism should be reserved for those who led the campaign knowing it was a fraud from the start but ran with it for reasons of ideology and ego, boris and gove in particular.
The referendum was a fraud, an offer to have 100% control of migration with no economic consequences. As soon as the vote was won the leaders of the brexit campaign disappeared from the Tory leadership race in full knowledge that the vision they had promoted was totally undeliverable. Cameron justifiably gets stick for calling the referendum in the first place, May has been inept throughout and Corbyn justifiably gets stick for sabotaging the remain campaign but the biggest criticism should be reserved for those who led the campaign knowing it was a fraud from the start but ran with it for reasons of ideology and ego, boris and gove in particular.
Let's not forget that May triggered Article 50 without a scooby of a strategy, let alone agreement from her party, a situation that still persists today.
The referendum was a fraud, an offer to have 100% control of migration with no economic consequences. As soon as the vote was won the leaders of the brexit campaign disappeared from the Tory leadership race in full knowledge that the vision they had promoted was totally undeliverable. Cameron justifiably gets stick for calling the referendum in the first place, May has been inept throughout and Corbyn justifiably gets stick for sabotaging the remain campaign but the biggest criticism should be reserved for those who led the campaign knowing it was a fraud from the start but ran with it for reasons of ideology and ego, boris and gove in particular.
Let's not forget that May triggered Article 50 without a scooby of a strategy, let alone agreement from her party, a situation that still persists today.
Corbyn called for Article 50 to be triggered the day after the referendum
The referendum was a fraud, an offer to have 100% control of migration with no economic consequences. As soon as the vote was won the leaders of the brexit campaign disappeared from the Tory leadership race in full knowledge that the vision they had promoted was totally undeliverable. Cameron justifiably gets stick for calling the referendum in the first place, May has been inept throughout and Corbyn justifiably gets stick for sabotaging the remain campaign but the biggest criticism should be reserved for those who led the campaign knowing it was a fraud from the start but ran with it for reasons of ideology and ego, boris and gove in particular.
Let's not forget that May triggered Article 50 without a scooby of a strategy, let alone agreement from her party, a situation that still persists today.
Corbyn called for Article 50 to be triggered the day after the referendum
The referendum was a fraud, an offer to have 100% control of migration with no economic consequences. As soon as the vote was won the leaders of the brexit campaign disappeared from the Tory leadership race in full knowledge that the vision they had promoted was totally undeliverable. Cameron justifiably gets stick for calling the referendum in the first place, May has been inept throughout and Corbyn justifiably gets stick for sabotaging the remain campaign but the biggest criticism should be reserved for those who led the campaign knowing it was a fraud from the start but ran with it for reasons of ideology and ego, boris and gove in particular.
Let's not forget that May triggered Article 50 without a scooby of a strategy, let alone agreement from her party, a situation that still persists today.
Corbyn called for Article 50 to be triggered the day after the referendum
Because he wanted to, or goad them to Armageddon?
No, it’s because he is just as big a fraud as May.
The referendum was a fraud, an offer to have 100% control of migration with no economic consequences. As soon as the vote was won the leaders of the brexit campaign disappeared from the Tory leadership race in full knowledge that the vision they had promoted was totally undeliverable. Cameron justifiably gets stick for calling the referendum in the first place, May has been inept throughout and Corbyn justifiably gets stick for sabotaging the remain campaign but the biggest criticism should be reserved for those who led the campaign knowing it was a fraud from the start but ran with it for reasons of ideology and ego, boris and gove in particular.
Let's not forget that May triggered Article 50 without a scooby of a strategy, let alone agreement from her party, a situation that still persists today.
Corbyn called for Article 50 to be triggered the day after the referendum
Because he wanted to, or goad them to Armageddon?
Apparantly if you are looking for a hard brexit, Jezza is your man. Even the Daily Mail were praising his efforts the other week.
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It is also a comment on one aspect of British history and so called British values.
No need to thank me.
You don’t half jabber some shit at times Chippy.
Was this part of the plan, or did leave voters simply close their ears to remainer warnings?
You say the chestnut is old but I say it is current. Surely leave voters thought through the full implications of what they voted for or they didn't have a clue what they were doing.
If I am right brexit voters don't know what they want, but want it anyway. If they don't get what they don't know what they want, they blame somebody without thinking maybe they themselves are totally responsible for this nightmare.
Nothing to do with a 'remainer' government.
I thought the Referendum was pretty simple. Do you want to leave the EU....Yes or No. For me personally that meant:
The UK had a say in the number of people entering the country & not just an open door policy to 26 other European countries.
the UK parliament & Judiciary to be able to make & uphold our own laws.
That was it basically. I didn't fall for that old guff about £350m for the NHS & naively thought that The Government actually knew what they were doing when the announced a Referendum.......that they actually knew what "to leave the EU" meant & that it could be delivered.
As a financial adviser I don't expect all my clients to understand how a pension works, how they go from paying into it to it then paying out. I do all that for them. I wouldn't make a very good adviser if after 2 years I was still asking them "this income you need......do you want it to come from the natural income your underlying assets produce or from the capital growth or both ?.........because if its from natural income then we may have to move your funds from accumulation ones to income ones, and if its from capital growth we may have a problem because your current provider can't facilitate it".
Er, I very rarely comment on this thread. I leave it to the more astute posters then I just like their posts like a good little cult follower that I am.
Still think that your assumption that those of us not best pleased by us leaving the EU means that we’ll support anyone but England in the WC is a load of bollocks.
Is this because the Government has managed to come up with a position which suits nobody? Leavers do not like it, Remainers do not like it and the EU does not like it.
You may say that all compromises are like that but the problem with this one is that it has to be turned into law.
What is the betting that once the EU has said no , May will concede free movement, ECJ control and remaining in the single market and customs union?
Brexit would not mean Brexit and the Tories will fully join Labour as an anti-Brexit Party.
The referendum result will have been overturned, as was always the intention from day one and many people will not vote again.
A victory for Brussels and international capital.
Good luck you Corbyn guys in challenging capitalism with 11 million votes when 17m votes can be ignored by the way.
Do you think it is ok to ignore 16 million votes?
I suppose your only hope is that Putin steps in and helps fuck over our democracy yet again!
Certainly not mine, I have consistently said to brexit voters you won, run with it.
The issue is that nobody actually knew what to do with the referendum result isn't it? Not to do with any intention of anybody.
17 million votes are not being ignored by me, a loser, at least. I acknowledge the victory, I don't want a people's vote, or another referendum, my challenge is now you have won own what is happening.
Your post reads to me like another variation of the blame game. If 17 million voters between them can't do better than this it is hardly the fault of remainers who didn't vote for it.
All of them are as bad as each other.