Obviously irony isn't your thing but the answer to your question is pretty simple. I married a Czech citizen in 1997. This gave me as a foreigner a lot of rights. Admittedly i had already set up my business by then, but it is one step up from self employment, i.e minimal capital investment. The fact is that had I not been from the gilded "West" but instead from, say, Turkey, I would have found all kinds of bureaucratic obstacles placed in my way at the time. When it came to buying property, I made sure that EU accession was all but done, before I went for it.
More importantly the country opened the accession process very quickly. Many would have much rather completed that first before joining up to NATO, but that's a side issue. The accession process affected every aspect of Czech life, and largely in a positive way. It enabled progressive politicians to carry the fight to those who wished to continue in the old ways of corruption, cronyism and excessive bureaucracy. The fight still isn't over, and we are now seeing a pushback because inevitably not everyone has felt the benefits (or more correctly they believe a lot of other people mainly in Prague, a "liberal metro elite" of course, have benefited more than they have). But it was because the fight was obviously being won, and the Czechs never really faltered on the way to accession, that the big British businesses- Tesco, Debenhams, Next and M&S - invested. M&S is an interesting case because it was initially an affiliate arrangement, only coming into full ownership several years after accession. I am worried that Brexit might put an end to their presence, certainly they seem to have put on hold their expansion plans.
In 2019, by the way, I shall have a Czech passport, while retaining the British one. I still have my dark dark blue one, as a travel souvenir. I never cared about the colour. I was rather more "inspired" by the text on the inside front cover - which is still in the current one. You know, "Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires..." etc. Of course years of seeing British citizens left in the lurch around the world made me realise that it's all a load of bollocks, whatever colour the cover is.
Why if your so committed to the paradise land of the EU would you want to have one foot in a land full of dimwit, thick, racist nazis.
Well, son, I guess that one benefit of getting older is you learn to take the long view.
Giving up my UK citizenship wont look so smart when the nightmare is over and Charlton head back to the sunlit uplands ( copyright, your new leader) only for me to have my visitor visa refused by the Rees-Mug govt on the grounds that my past postings on CL made me a danger to national security.
Or, more likely, I would feel pretty silly if I gave it up only for the 2nd referendum to be called as the polls show a consistent 60-40 Remain score.
The long game, Chips, the long game...
In other words..... Just in case it goes belly up in paradise land, and the uk doesn't implode as you predict. You may need to wish to come back. Wear dark glasses when you do.... Me old son.
You write as if you think I "left" the U.K. because of Brexit. Well I haven't ever "left." I remain a British citizen, pay UK income tax, have earned the right to a UK State pension, average 5-6 live Charlton games a season. I am happy to remain a British citizen because there are still things about Britain I am proud to associate with. So when I am next over, come and have a good Kentish beer with me in the Long Pond. I will be the one in the blue " Don't blame me, I voted Remain" T-shirt, dark glasses go well with it.
I offered you a chance of a beer on the concourse of the east stand...you never took me up on it.
I'm sure that's what m'learned friends used to describe as a cruel and unusual punishment...
Obviously irony isn't your thing but the answer to your question is pretty simple. I married a Czech citizen in 1997. This gave me as a foreigner a lot of rights. Admittedly i had already set up my business by then, but it is one step up from self employment, i.e minimal capital investment. The fact is that had I not been from the gilded "West" but instead from, say, Turkey, I would have found all kinds of bureaucratic obstacles placed in my way at the time. When it came to buying property, I made sure that EU accession was all but done, before I went for it.
More importantly the country opened the accession process very quickly. Many would have much rather completed that first before joining up to NATO, but that's a side issue. The accession process affected every aspect of Czech life, and largely in a positive way. It enabled progressive politicians to carry the fight to those who wished to continue in the old ways of corruption, cronyism and excessive bureaucracy. The fight still isn't over, and we are now seeing a pushback because inevitably not everyone has felt the benefits (or more correctly they believe a lot of other people mainly in Prague, a "liberal metro elite" of course, have benefited more than they have). But it was because the fight was obviously being won, and the Czechs never really faltered on the way to accession, that the big British businesses- Tesco, Debenhams, Next and M&S - invested. M&S is an interesting case because it was initially an affiliate arrangement, only coming into full ownership several years after accession. I am worried that Brexit might put an end to their presence, certainly they seem to have put on hold their expansion plans.
In 2019, by the way, I shall have a Czech passport, while retaining the British one. I still have my dark dark blue one, as a travel souvenir. I never cared about the colour. I was rather more "inspired" by the text on the inside front cover - which is still in the current one. You know, "Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires..." etc. Of course years of seeing British citizens left in the lurch around the world made me realise that it's all a load of bollocks, whatever colour the cover is.
Why if your so committed to the paradise land of the EU would you want to have one foot in a land full of dimwit, thick, racist nazis.
Well, son, I guess that one benefit of getting older is you learn to take the long view.
Giving up my UK citizenship wont look so smart when the nightmare is over and Charlton head back to the sunlit uplands ( copyright, your new leader) only for me to have my visitor visa refused by the Rees-Mug govt on the grounds that my past postings on CL made me a danger to national security.
Or, more likely, I would feel pretty silly if I gave it up only for the 2nd referendum to be called as the polls show a consistent 60-40 Remain score.
The long game, Chips, the long game...
In other words..... Just in case it goes belly up in paradise land, and the uk doesn't implode as you predict. You may need to wish to come back. Wear dark glasses when you do.... Me old son.
You write as if you think I "left" the U.K. because of Brexit. Well I haven't ever "left." I remain a British citizen, pay UK income tax, have earned the right to a UK State pension, average 5-6 live Charlton games a season. I am happy to remain a British citizen because there are still things about Britain I am proud to associate with. So when I am next over, come and have a good Kentish beer with me in the Long Pond. I will be the one in the blue " Don't blame me, I voted Remain" T-shirt, dark glasses go well with it.
I offered you a chance of a beer on the concourse of the east stand...you never took me up on it.
That could only have been because:
1. I wasn't planning to be at a game you proposed
2. I am one of those who, while not boycotting, seek to minimise my payments to the regime.
We also had the small misunderstanding about your proposed visit to Prague and the opportunity to meet Mad Vincent. You understood him to play an aggressive role in deterring visitors I consider undesirable, whereas his role is purely defensive in protecting me from undesirables. Of course you are not in that bracket, Chips old chap, you are Family. BTW Mad Vincent is now in Brazil for New Year as a guest of @ElfsborgAddick . This is how the international Charlton tribe grows and develops, thanks to open borders and open minds.
Obviously irony isn't your thing but the answer to your question is pretty simple. I married a Czech citizen in 1997. This gave me as a foreigner a lot of rights. Admittedly i had already set up my business by then, but it is one step up from self employment, i.e minimal capital investment. The fact is that had I not been from the gilded "West" but instead from, say, Turkey, I would have found all kinds of bureaucratic obstacles placed in my way at the time. When it came to buying property, I made sure that EU accession was all but done, before I went for it.
More importantly the country opened the accession process very quickly. Many would have much rather completed that first before joining up to NATO, but that's a side issue. The accession process affected every aspect of Czech life, and largely in a positive way. It enabled progressive politicians to carry the fight to those who wished to continue in the old ways of corruption, cronyism and excessive bureaucracy. The fight still isn't over, and we are now seeing a pushback because inevitably not everyone has felt the benefits (or more correctly they believe a lot of other people mainly in Prague, a "liberal metro elite" of course, have benefited more than they have). But it was because the fight was obviously being won, and the Czechs never really faltered on the way to accession, that the big British businesses- Tesco, Debenhams, Next and M&S - invested. M&S is an interesting case because it was initially an affiliate arrangement, only coming into full ownership several years after accession. I am worried that Brexit might put an end to their presence, certainly they seem to have put on hold their expansion plans.
In 2019, by the way, I shall have a Czech passport, while retaining the British one. I still have my dark dark blue one, as a travel souvenir. I never cared about the colour. I was rather more "inspired" by the text on the inside front cover - which is still in the current one. You know, "Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires..." etc. Of course years of seeing British citizens left in the lurch around the world made me realise that it's all a load of bollocks, whatever colour the cover is.
Why if your so committed to the paradise land of the EU would you want to have one foot in a land full of dimwit, thick, racist nazis.
Well, son, I guess that one benefit of getting older is you learn to take the long view.
Giving up my UK citizenship wont look so smart when the nightmare is over and Charlton head back to the sunlit uplands ( copyright, your new leader) only for me to have my visitor visa refused by the Rees-Mug govt on the grounds that my past postings on CL made me a danger to national security.
Or, more likely, I would feel pretty silly if I gave it up only for the 2nd referendum to be called as the polls show a consistent 60-40 Remain score.
The long game, Chips, the long game...
In other words..... Just in case it goes belly up in paradise land, and the uk doesn't implode as you predict. You may need to wish to come back. Wear dark glasses when you do.... Me old son.
You write as if you think I "left" the U.K. because of Brexit. Well I haven't ever "left." I remain a British citizen, pay UK income tax, have earned the right to a UK State pension, average 5-6 live Charlton games a season. I am happy to remain a British citizen because there are still things about Britain I am proud to associate with. So when I am next over, come and have a good Kentish beer with me in the Long Pond. I will be the one in the blue " Don't blame me, I voted Remain" T-shirt, dark glasses go well with it.
I offered you a chance of a beer on the concourse of the east stand...you never took me up on it.
That could only have been because:
1. I wasn't planning to be at a game you proposed
2. I am one of those who, while not boycotting, seek to minimise my payments to the regime.
We also had the small misunderstanding about your proposed visit to Prague and the opportunity to meet Mad Vincent. You understood him to play an aggressive role in deterring visitors I consider undesirable, whereas his role is purely defensive in protecting me from undesirables. Of course you are not in that bracket, Chips old chap, you are Family. BTW Mad Vincent is now in Brazil for New Year as a guest of @ElfsborgAddick . This is how the international Charlton tribe grows and develops, thanks to open borders and open minds.
Wanting to meet someone for a drink who you've had a disagreement with on an internet forum. Am I just miserable and insular, or is this all a bit weird?
Obviously irony isn't your thing but the answer to your question is pretty simple. I married a Czech citizen in 1997. This gave me as a foreigner a lot of rights. Admittedly i had already set up my business by then, but it is one step up from self employment, i.e minimal capital investment. The fact is that had I not been from the gilded "West" but instead from, say, Turkey, I would have found all kinds of bureaucratic obstacles placed in my way at the time. When it came to buying property, I made sure that EU accession was all but done, before I went for it.
More importantly the country opened the accession process very quickly. Many would have much rather completed that first before joining up to NATO, but that's a side issue. The accession process affected every aspect of Czech life, and largely in a positive way. It enabled progressive politicians to carry the fight to those who wished to continue in the old ways of corruption, cronyism and excessive bureaucracy. The fight still isn't over, and we are now seeing a pushback because inevitably not everyone has felt the benefits (or more correctly they believe a lot of other people mainly in Prague, a "liberal metro elite" of course, have benefited more than they have). But it was because the fight was obviously being won, and the Czechs never really faltered on the way to accession, that the big British businesses- Tesco, Debenhams, Next and M&S - invested. M&S is an interesting case because it was initially an affiliate arrangement, only coming into full ownership several years after accession. I am worried that Brexit might put an end to their presence, certainly they seem to have put on hold their expansion plans.
In 2019, by the way, I shall have a Czech passport, while retaining the British one. I still have my dark dark blue one, as a travel souvenir. I never cared about the colour. I was rather more "inspired" by the text on the inside front cover - which is still in the current one. You know, "Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires..." etc. Of course years of seeing British citizens left in the lurch around the world made me realise that it's all a load of bollocks, whatever colour the cover is.
Why if your so committed to the paradise land of the EU would you want to have one foot in a land full of dimwit, thick, racist nazis.
Well, son, I guess that one benefit of getting older is you learn to take the long view.
Giving up my UK citizenship wont look so smart when the nightmare is over and Charlton head back to the sunlit uplands ( copyright, your new leader) only for me to have my visitor visa refused by the Rees-Mug govt on the grounds that my past postings on CL made me a danger to national security.
Or, more likely, I would feel pretty silly if I gave it up only for the 2nd referendum to be called as the polls show a consistent 60-40 Remain score.
The long game, Chips, the long game...
In other words..... Just in case it goes belly up in paradise land, and the uk doesn't implode as you predict. You may need to wish to come back. Wear dark glasses when you do.... Me old son.
You write as if you think I "left" the U.K. because of Brexit. Well I haven't ever "left." I remain a British citizen, pay UK income tax, have earned the right to a UK State pension, average 5-6 live Charlton games a season. I am happy to remain a British citizen because there are still things about Britain I am proud to associate with. So when I am next over, come and have a good Kentish beer with me in the Long Pond. I will be the one in the blue " Don't blame me, I voted Remain" T-shirt, dark glasses go well with it.
I offered you a chance of a beer on the concourse of the east stand...you never took me up on it.
That could only have been because:
1. I wasn't planning to be at a game you proposed
2. I am one of those who, while not boycotting, seek to minimise my payments to the regime.
We also had the small misunderstanding about your proposed visit to Prague and the opportunity to meet Mad Vincent. You understood him to play an aggressive role in deterring visitors I consider undesirable, whereas his role is purely defensive in protecting me from undesirables. Of course you are not in that bracket, Chips old chap, you are Family. BTW Mad Vincent is now in Brazil for New Year as a guest of @ElfsborgAddick . This is how the international Charlton tribe grows and develops, thanks to open borders and open minds.
Wanting to meet someone for a drink who you've had a disagreement with on an internet forum. I'm I just miserable and insular, or is this all a bit weird?
Obviously irony isn't your thing but the answer to your question is pretty simple. I married a Czech citizen in 1997. This gave me as a foreigner a lot of rights. Admittedly i had already set up my business by then, but it is one step up from self employment, i.e minimal capital investment. The fact is that had I not been from the gilded "West" but instead from, say, Turkey, I would have found all kinds of bureaucratic obstacles placed in my way at the time. When it came to buying property, I made sure that EU accession was all but done, before I went for it.
More importantly the country opened the accession process very quickly. Many would have much rather completed that first before joining up to NATO, but that's a side issue. The accession process affected every aspect of Czech life, and largely in a positive way. It enabled progressive politicians to carry the fight to those who wished to continue in the old ways of corruption, cronyism and excessive bureaucracy. The fight still isn't over, and we are now seeing a pushback because inevitably not everyone has felt the benefits (or more correctly they believe a lot of other people mainly in Prague, a "liberal metro elite" of course, have benefited more than they have). But it was because the fight was obviously being won, and the Czechs never really faltered on the way to accession, that the big British businesses- Tesco, Debenhams, Next and M&S - invested. M&S is an interesting case because it was initially an affiliate arrangement, only coming into full ownership several years after accession. I am worried that Brexit might put an end to their presence, certainly they seem to have put on hold their expansion plans.
In 2019, by the way, I shall have a Czech passport, while retaining the British one. I still have my dark dark blue one, as a travel souvenir. I never cared about the colour. I was rather more "inspired" by the text on the inside front cover - which is still in the current one. You know, "Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires..." etc. Of course years of seeing British citizens left in the lurch around the world made me realise that it's all a load of bollocks, whatever colour the cover is.
Why if your so committed to the paradise land of the EU would you want to have one foot in a land full of dimwit, thick, racist nazis.
Well, son, I guess that one benefit of getting older is you learn to take the long view.
Giving up my UK citizenship wont look so smart when the nightmare is over and Charlton head back to the sunlit uplands ( copyright, your new leader) only for me to have my visitor visa refused by the Rees-Mug govt on the grounds that my past postings on CL made me a danger to national security.
Or, more likely, I would feel pretty silly if I gave it up only for the 2nd referendum to be called as the polls show a consistent 60-40 Remain score.
The long game, Chips, the long game...
In other words..... Just in case it goes belly up in paradise land, and the uk doesn't implode as you predict. You may need to wish to come back. Wear dark glasses when you do.... Me old son.
You write as if you think I "left" the U.K. because of Brexit. Well I haven't ever "left." I remain a British citizen, pay UK income tax, have earned the right to a UK State pension, average 5-6 live Charlton games a season. I am happy to remain a British citizen because there are still things about Britain I am proud to associate with. So when I am next over, come and have a good Kentish beer with me in the Long Pond. I will be the one in the blue " Don't blame me, I voted Remain" T-shirt, dark glasses go well with it.
I offered you a chance of a beer on the concourse of the east stand...you never took me up on it.
That could only have been because:
1. I wasn't planning to be at a game you proposed
2. I am one of those who, while not boycotting, seek to minimise my payments to the regime.
We also had the small misunderstanding about your proposed visit to Prague and the opportunity to meet Mad Vincent. You understood him to play an aggressive role in deterring visitors I consider undesirable, whereas his role is purely defensive in protecting me from undesirables. Of course you are not in that bracket, Chips old chap, you are Family. BTW Mad Vincent is now in Brazil for New Year as a guest of @ElfsborgAddick . This is how the international Charlton tribe grows and develops, thanks to open borders and open minds.
It was the pompey match.
What, the one just gone? I seriously must have missed that invite. Why didn't you just pop up to the White Swan afterwards?
Obviously irony isn't your thing but the answer to your question is pretty simple. I married a Czech citizen in 1997. This gave me as a foreigner a lot of rights. Admittedly i had already set up my business by then, but it is one step up from self employment, i.e minimal capital investment. The fact is that had I not been from the gilded "West" but instead from, say, Turkey, I would have found all kinds of bureaucratic obstacles placed in my way at the time. When it came to buying property, I made sure that EU accession was all but done, before I went for it.
More importantly the country opened the accession process very quickly. Many would have much rather completed that first before joining up to NATO, but that's a side issue. The accession process affected every aspect of Czech life, and largely in a positive way. It enabled progressive politicians to carry the fight to those who wished to continue in the old ways of corruption, cronyism and excessive bureaucracy. The fight still isn't over, and we are now seeing a pushback because inevitably not everyone has felt the benefits (or more correctly they believe a lot of other people mainly in Prague, a "liberal metro elite" of course, have benefited more than they have). But it was because the fight was obviously being won, and the Czechs never really faltered on the way to accession, that the big British businesses- Tesco, Debenhams, Next and M&S - invested. M&S is an interesting case because it was initially an affiliate arrangement, only coming into full ownership several years after accession. I am worried that Brexit might put an end to their presence, certainly they seem to have put on hold their expansion plans.
In 2019, by the way, I shall have a Czech passport, while retaining the British one. I still have my dark dark blue one, as a travel souvenir. I never cared about the colour. I was rather more "inspired" by the text on the inside front cover - which is still in the current one. You know, "Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires..." etc. Of course years of seeing British citizens left in the lurch around the world made me realise that it's all a load of bollocks, whatever colour the cover is.
Why if your so committed to the paradise land of the EU would you want to have one foot in a land full of dimwit, thick, racist nazis.
Well, son, I guess that one benefit of getting older is you learn to take the long view.
Giving up my UK citizenship wont look so smart when the nightmare is over and Charlton head back to the sunlit uplands ( copyright, your new leader) only for me to have my visitor visa refused by the Rees-Mug govt on the grounds that my past postings on CL made me a danger to national security.
Or, more likely, I would feel pretty silly if I gave it up only for the 2nd referendum to be called as the polls show a consistent 60-40 Remain score.
The long game, Chips, the long game...
In other words..... Just in case it goes belly up in paradise land, and the uk doesn't implode as you predict. You may need to wish to come back. Wear dark glasses when you do.... Me old son.
You write as if you think I "left" the U.K. because of Brexit. Well I haven't ever "left." I remain a British citizen, pay UK income tax, have earned the right to a UK State pension, average 5-6 live Charlton games a season. I am happy to remain a British citizen because there are still things about Britain I am proud to associate with. So when I am next over, come and have a good Kentish beer with me in the Long Pond. I will be the one in the blue " Don't blame me, I voted Remain" T-shirt, dark glasses go well with it.
I offered you a chance of a beer on the concourse of the east stand...you never took me up on it.
That could only have been because:
1. I wasn't planning to be at a game you proposed
2. I am one of those who, while not boycotting, seek to minimise my payments to the regime.
We also had the small misunderstanding about your proposed visit to Prague and the opportunity to meet Mad Vincent. You understood him to play an aggressive role in deterring visitors I consider undesirable, whereas his role is purely defensive in protecting me from undesirables. Of course you are not in that bracket, Chips old chap, you are Family. BTW Mad Vincent is now in Brazil for New Year as a guest of @ElfsborgAddick . This is how the international Charlton tribe grows and develops, thanks to open borders and open minds.
It was the pompey match.
What, the one just gone? I seriously must have missed that invite. Why didn't you just pop up to the White Swan afterwards?
I see. Well another time then. I should be over early Feb on Olympic Stadium duty, haven't checked the CAFC calendar yet.
Also, Chips I wanted to ask you this academic question. If I had moved my permanent address in 1993 not to Prague, but to Aberdeen, and I lived there now, and made a big thing about Scotland's pro-EU outlook, would you be saying the same thing about me, wanting the chance to return when it all goes pear-shaped in Scotland? What would be the difference about my decision to relocate, Prague vs Aberdeen. OK obviously Aberdeen is currently part of the UK, but who knows for how long?
The "will of the people" is clearly behind a second referendum. Obviously it would be undemocratic to go against this will - and I imagine anyone suggesting that we should not have won would surely risk being labelled "traitor", "saboteur", "enemy of the people" or worse - but what format should the second referendum take?
A simple re-run of the Remain/Leave vote?
Or a three-day choice between accepting the deal that Davis negotiates; rejecting the deal and crashing out without a deal; and reversing Article 50?
Democracy is important. So which of these two referenda should be authorised?
I see. Well another time then. I should be over early Feb on Olympic Stadium duty, haven't checked the CAFC calendar yet.
Also, Chips I wanted to ask you this academic question. If I had moved my permanent address in 1993 not to Prague, but to Aberdeen, and I lived there now, and made a big thing about Scotland's pro-EU outlook, would you be saying the same thing about me, wanting the chance to return when it all goes pear-shaped in Scotland? What would be the difference about my decision to relocate, Prague vs Aberdeen. OK obviously Aberdeen is currently part of the UK, but who knows for how long?
No I wouldn't as Scotland is part of the UK. and will always remain so. The jocks despite what some people think don't have the stomache for another referendum. Most have accepted it.
I have always had strong beliefs that people who don't reside in the UK should not have any influence or say on what happens in the UK by means of their vote. I cant vote in any other country and neither should I and if I could I wouldn't on that principle.
I see. Well another time then. I should be over early Feb on Olympic Stadium duty, haven't checked the CAFC calendar yet.
Also, Chips I wanted to ask you this academic question. If I had moved my permanent address in 1993 not to Prague, but to Aberdeen, and I lived there now, and made a big thing about Scotland's pro-EU outlook, would you be saying the same thing about me, wanting the chance to return when it all goes pear-shaped in Scotland? What would be the difference about my decision to relocate, Prague vs Aberdeen. OK obviously Aberdeen is currently part of the UK, but who knows for how long?
No I wouldn't as Scotland is part of the UK. and will always remain so. The jocks despite what some people think don't have the stomache for another referendum. Most have accepted it.
I have always had strong beliefs that people who don't reside in the UK should not have any influence or say on what happens in the UK by means of their vote. I cant vote in any other country and neither should I and if I could I wouldn't on that principle.
But Prague pays UK income tax. He pays into our public services. For me it’s as simple as that. It doesn’t matter if he resides in Prague or Peterborough.
I see. Well another time then. I should be over early Feb on Olympic Stadium duty, haven't checked the CAFC calendar yet.
Also, Chips I wanted to ask you this academic question. If I had moved my permanent address in 1993 not to Prague, but to Aberdeen, and I lived there now, and made a big thing about Scotland's pro-EU outlook, would you be saying the same thing about me, wanting the chance to return when it all goes pear-shaped in Scotland? What would be the difference about my decision to relocate, Prague vs Aberdeen. OK obviously Aberdeen is currently part of the UK, but who knows for how long?
No I wouldn't as Scotland is part of the UK. and will always remain so. The jocks despite what some people think don't have the stomache for another referendum. Most have accepted it.
I have always had strong beliefs that people who don't reside in the UK should not have any influence or say on what happens in the UK by means of their vote. I cant vote in any other country and neither should I and if I could I wouldn't on that principle.
But Prague pays UK income tax. He pays into our public services. For me it’s as simple as that. It doesn’t matter if he resides in Prague or Peterborough.
I see. Well another time then. I should be over early Feb on Olympic Stadium duty, haven't checked the CAFC calendar yet.
Also, Chips I wanted to ask you this academic question. If I had moved my permanent address in 1993 not to Prague, but to Aberdeen, and I lived there now, and made a big thing about Scotland's pro-EU outlook, would you be saying the same thing about me, wanting the chance to return when it all goes pear-shaped in Scotland? What would be the difference about my decision to relocate, Prague vs Aberdeen. OK obviously Aberdeen is currently part of the UK, but who knows for how long?
No I wouldn't as Scotland is part of the UK. and will always remain so. The jocks despite what some people think don't have the stomache for another referendum. Most have accepted it.
I have always had strong beliefs that people who don't reside in the UK should not have any influence or say on what happens in the UK by means of their vote. I cant vote in any other country and neither should I and if I could I wouldn't on that principle.
But Prague pays UK income tax. He pays into our public services. For me it’s as simple as that. It doesn’t matter if he resides in Prague or Peterborough.
Last month I was in Germany, I paid local tax in the hotel, local tax on everything I bought...that pays for their public services. Now where's me voting form. But I wont fill it in of course.
I see. Well another time then. I should be over early Feb on Olympic Stadium duty, haven't checked the CAFC calendar yet.
Also, Chips I wanted to ask you this academic question. If I had moved my permanent address in 1993 not to Prague, but to Aberdeen, and I lived there now, and made a big thing about Scotland's pro-EU outlook, would you be saying the same thing about me, wanting the chance to return when it all goes pear-shaped in Scotland? What would be the difference about my decision to relocate, Prague vs Aberdeen. OK obviously Aberdeen is currently part of the UK, but who knows for how long?
No I wouldn't as Scotland is part of the UK. and will always remain so. The jocks despite what some people think don't have the stomache for another referendum. Most have accepted it.
I have always had strong beliefs that people who don't reside in the UK should not have any influence or say on what happens in the UK by means of their vote. I cant vote in any other country and neither should I and if I could I wouldn't on that principle.
But Prague pays UK income tax. He pays into our public services. For me it’s as simple as that. It doesn’t matter if he resides in Prague or Peterborough.
I see. Well another time then. I should be over early Feb on Olympic Stadium duty, haven't checked the CAFC calendar yet.
Also, Chips I wanted to ask you this academic question. If I had moved my permanent address in 1993 not to Prague, but to Aberdeen, and I lived there now, and made a big thing about Scotland's pro-EU outlook, would you be saying the same thing about me, wanting the chance to return when it all goes pear-shaped in Scotland? What would be the difference about my decision to relocate, Prague vs Aberdeen. OK obviously Aberdeen is currently part of the UK, but who knows for how long?
No I wouldn't as Scotland is part of the UK. and will always remain so. The jocks despite what some people think don't have the stomache for another referendum. Most have accepted it.
I have always had strong beliefs that people who don't reside in the UK should not have any influence or say on what happens in the UK by means of their vote. I cant vote in any other country and neither should I and if I could I wouldn't on that principle.
But Prague pays UK income tax. He pays into our public services. For me it’s as simple as that. It doesn’t matter if he resides in Prague or Peterborough.
Last month I was in Germany, I paid local tax in the hotel, local tax on everything I bought...that pays for their public services. Now where's me voting form. But I wont fill it in of course.
That’s a duty though and millions of tourists pay duties all over the world everyday. I’m talking about income tax.
I see. Well another time then. I should be over early Feb on Olympic Stadium duty, haven't checked the CAFC calendar yet.
Also, Chips I wanted to ask you this academic question. If I had moved my permanent address in 1993 not to Prague, but to Aberdeen, and I lived there now, and made a big thing about Scotland's pro-EU outlook, would you be saying the same thing about me, wanting the chance to return when it all goes pear-shaped in Scotland? What would be the difference about my decision to relocate, Prague vs Aberdeen. OK obviously Aberdeen is currently part of the UK, but who knows for how long?
No I wouldn't as Scotland is part of the UK. and will always remain so. The jocks despite what some people think don't have the stomache for another referendum. Most have accepted it.
I have always had strong beliefs that people who don't reside in the UK should not have any influence or say on what happens in the UK by means of their vote. I cant vote in any other country and neither should I and if I could I wouldn't on that principle.
(deleted my earlier answer, realising the following is a better analogy)
Supposing I had accepted a job in Dublin, say with Google or Facebook. Never expected it to be permanent, it just turned out that way, now its 2017... woukd you have the same attitude towards my situation and my right to have my say asa British citizen?
I see. Well another time then. I should be over early Feb on Olympic Stadium duty, haven't checked the CAFC calendar yet.
Also, Chips I wanted to ask you this academic question. If I had moved my permanent address in 1993 not to Prague, but to Aberdeen, and I lived there now, and made a big thing about Scotland's pro-EU outlook, would you be saying the same thing about me, wanting the chance to return when it all goes pear-shaped in Scotland? What would be the difference about my decision to relocate, Prague vs Aberdeen. OK obviously Aberdeen is currently part of the UK, but who knows for how long?
No I wouldn't as Scotland is part of the UK. and will always remain so. The jocks despite what some people think don't have the stomache for another referendum. Most have accepted it.
I have always had strong beliefs that people who don't reside in the UK should not have any influence or say on what happens in the UK by means of their vote. I cant vote in any other country and neither should I and if I could I wouldn't on that principle.
OK chips. But suppose the world moves in a way you didn't expect. Scotland calls a referendum, becomes independent and stays in the EU. I live in Aberdeen since 1993, way before it kicked off, and accept the possibility of dual Scottish/UK nationality. All else as per my current status, i.e paying income tax in the diminished UK, all family in England, at Uni in England, etc. Would you seek to deny my say on the same grounds?
Plain and simple..... Yes.......And that includes me if I get moved permanently overseas (very unlikely though as I have done that). You can come up with any permutation you can think of, if you don't live here you don't vote here, end of story.
I see. Well another time then. I should be over early Feb on Olympic Stadium duty, haven't checked the CAFC calendar yet.
Also, Chips I wanted to ask you this academic question. If I had moved my permanent address in 1993 not to Prague, but to Aberdeen, and I lived there now, and made a big thing about Scotland's pro-EU outlook, would you be saying the same thing about me, wanting the chance to return when it all goes pear-shaped in Scotland? What would be the difference about my decision to relocate, Prague vs Aberdeen. OK obviously Aberdeen is currently part of the UK, but who knows for how long?
No I wouldn't as Scotland is part of the UK. and will always remain so. The jocks despite what some people think don't have the stomache for another referendum. Most have accepted it.
I have always had strong beliefs that people who don't reside in the UK should not have any influence or say on what happens in the UK by means of their vote. I cant vote in any other country and neither should I and if I could I wouldn't on that principle.
But Prague pays UK income tax. He pays into our public services. For me it’s as simple as that. It doesn’t matter if he resides in Prague or Peterborough.
Last month I was in Germany, I paid local tax in the hotel, local tax on everything I bought...that pays for their public services. Now where's me voting form. But I wont fill it in of course.
That’s a duty though and millions of tourists pay duties all over the world everyday. I’m talking about income tax.
I see. Well another time then. I should be over early Feb on Olympic Stadium duty, haven't checked the CAFC calendar yet.
Also, Chips I wanted to ask you this academic question. If I had moved my permanent address in 1993 not to Prague, but to Aberdeen, and I lived there now, and made a big thing about Scotland's pro-EU outlook, would you be saying the same thing about me, wanting the chance to return when it all goes pear-shaped in Scotland? What would be the difference about my decision to relocate, Prague vs Aberdeen. OK obviously Aberdeen is currently part of the UK, but who knows for how long?
No I wouldn't as Scotland is part of the UK. and will always remain so. The jocks despite what some people think don't have the stomache for another referendum. Most have accepted it.
I have always had strong beliefs that people who don't reside in the UK should not have any influence or say on what happens in the UK by means of their vote. I cant vote in any other country and neither should I and if I could I wouldn't on that principle.
But Prague pays UK income tax. He pays into our public services. For me it’s as simple as that. It doesn’t matter if he resides in Prague or Peterborough.
Last month I was in Germany, I paid local tax in the hotel, local tax on everything I bought...that pays for their public services. Now where's me voting form. But I wont fill it in of course.
That’s a duty though and millions of tourists pay duties all over the world everyday. I’m talking about income tax.
Its tax
But Germans pay duties on our products and services when they visit here in the same way you do there. One another cancel each other out
I’m talking about Prague physically paying into our system through income tax
I can’t see how you can deny him (he’s also still retaining British citizenship) a vote
I see. Well another time then. I should be over early Feb on Olympic Stadium duty, haven't checked the CAFC calendar yet.
Also, Chips I wanted to ask you this academic question. If I had moved my permanent address in 1993 not to Prague, but to Aberdeen, and I lived there now, and made a big thing about Scotland's pro-EU outlook, would you be saying the same thing about me, wanting the chance to return when it all goes pear-shaped in Scotland? What would be the difference about my decision to relocate, Prague vs Aberdeen. OK obviously Aberdeen is currently part of the UK, but who knows for how long?
No I wouldn't as Scotland is part of the UK. and will always remain so. The jocks despite what some people think don't have the stomache for another referendum. Most have accepted it.
I have always had strong beliefs that people who don't reside in the UK should not have any influence or say on what happens in the UK by means of their vote. I cant vote in any other country and neither should I and if I could I wouldn't on that principle.
But Prague pays UK income tax. He pays into our public services. For me it’s as simple as that. It doesn’t matter if he resides in Prague or Peterborough.
Last month I was in Germany, I paid local tax in the hotel, local tax on everything I bought...that pays for their public services. Now where's me voting form. But I wont fill it in of course.
That’s a duty though and millions of tourists pay duties all over the world everyday. I’m talking about income tax.
Its tax
But Germans pay duties on our products and services when they visit here in the same way you do there. One another cancel each other out
I’m talking about Prague physically paying into our system through income tax
I can’t see how you can deny him (he’s also still retaining British citizenship) a vote
No, and it isn't just current income tax. I have spent a lifetime paying into the state pension system. Doesn't that count for something? I've got my family back in Eltham. My Mum passed away, graciously sparing us more than a passing brush with the chaos of the U.K. elderly care system, not to mention the associated strain on the NHS. Don't I get a say in what to do about that? What about my sisters kids and the Uni fees which I have had to help pay for? Don't. I get a say in that.?
There are of course Brits who really do leave. My best mate from Portsmouth Poly left for Australia in 1981, never came back, and is an Oz citizen now. He made his choice. Its a big choice. He hasn't been to see Pompey more than twice since then.
Quite obviously I haven't made that kind of move. Apart from all the things I've listed above, I am physically not far away. I mentioned Aberdeen because several of my best mates come from there, although they are all settled in London and the south. And here is the thing. Care to guess how much difference in flying time there is London -Aberdeen vs London - Prague? On average, 10 minutes. Ten fucking minutes. And on a day when a strong westerly is sweeping across the continent, probably no difference at all.
So Chippy my dear friend, when you say I don't have the same right as you to vote and have a say in the direction of my country, I say go fuck yourself it's my country as much as it is yours.
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Nice gesture, though.
1. I wasn't planning to be at a game you proposed
2. I am one of those who, while not boycotting, seek to minimise my payments to the regime.
We also had the small misunderstanding about your proposed visit to Prague and the opportunity to meet Mad Vincent. You understood him to play an aggressive role in deterring visitors I consider undesirable, whereas his role is purely defensive in protecting me from undesirables. Of course you are not in that bracket, Chips old chap, you are Family. BTW Mad Vincent is now in Brazil for New Year as a guest of @ElfsborgAddick . This is how the international Charlton tribe grows and develops, thanks to open borders and open minds.
I'm just waiting for the contrived euphemisms
afterwards?
Also, Chips I wanted to ask you this academic question. If I had moved my permanent address in 1993 not to Prague, but to Aberdeen, and I lived there now, and made a big thing about Scotland's pro-EU outlook, would you be saying the same thing about me, wanting the chance to return when it all goes pear-shaped in Scotland? What would be the difference about my decision to relocate, Prague vs Aberdeen. OK obviously Aberdeen is currently part of the UK, but who knows for how long?
The "will of the people" is clearly behind a second referendum. Obviously it would be undemocratic to go against this will - and I imagine anyone suggesting that we should not have won would surely risk being labelled "traitor", "saboteur", "enemy of the people" or worse - but what format should the second referendum take?
A simple re-run of the Remain/Leave vote?
Or a three-day choice between accepting the deal that Davis negotiates; rejecting the deal and crashing out without a deal; and reversing Article 50?
Democracy is important. So which of these two referenda should be authorised?
I have always had strong beliefs that people who don't reside in the UK should not have any influence or say on what happens in the UK by means of their vote. I cant vote in any other country and neither should I and if I could I wouldn't on that principle.
Supposing I had accepted a job in Dublin, say with Google or Facebook. Never expected it to be permanent, it just turned out that way, now its 2017... woukd you have the same attitude towards my situation and my right to have my say asa British citizen?
I’m talking about Prague physically paying into our system through income tax
I can’t see how you can deny him (he’s also still retaining British citizenship) a vote
No, and it isn't just current income tax. I have spent a lifetime paying into the state pension system. Doesn't that count for something? I've got my family back in Eltham. My Mum passed away, graciously sparing us more than a passing brush with the chaos of the U.K. elderly care system, not to mention the associated strain on the NHS. Don't I get a say in what to do about that? What about my sisters kids and the Uni fees which I have had to help pay for? Don't. I get a say in that.?
There are of course Brits who really do leave. My best mate from Portsmouth Poly left for Australia in 1981, never came back, and is an Oz citizen now. He made his choice. Its a big choice. He hasn't been to see Pompey more than twice since then.
Quite obviously I haven't made that kind of move. Apart from all the things I've listed above, I am physically not far away. I mentioned Aberdeen because several of my best mates come from there, although they are all settled in London and the south. And here is the thing. Care to guess how much difference in flying time there is London -Aberdeen vs London - Prague? On average, 10 minutes. Ten fucking minutes. And on a day when a strong westerly is sweeping across the continent, probably no difference at all.
So Chippy my dear friend, when you say I don't have the same right as you to vote and have a say in the direction of my country, I say
go fuck yourselfit's my country as much as it is yours.