Pretty sure it was Ricky who gave the penalty away. Ball might have struck his hand?
BBC said Bauer, I had no idea at the time as it was a bundle of bodies. Now believe it was Holmes.
Looked like Bauer to me. Was right behind the goal.
I think it was Holmes. Group of us had a great view and the ref looked at Holmes and Holmes reacted. But Bauer was in there as well so who knows. Not that it matters that much.
Also, the slow-mo of the red card decision is slightly misleading. Fane lifted his foot and went in studs up as Solly was smashing the ball clear. I think he only slightly clipped Solly, but he might have been a couple of inches away from something much worse. So I think the ref actually got that right. I mentioned Fane being an influential player after the match at the Valley last year, and he was certainly influential yeasterday.
Oldham's number 6 (Gardner?) was one to watch. Dominated midfield when they were on top.
The ref didn't see anything he reacted to the reactions of the players , solly wasn't worried about his foot he was holding his face it happened virtually in line with us in that stand , I spent the next twenty mins saying solly is not like the villain he was being made to be ,
Let's be honest that ref was toilet he had booked 6 and sent off 1 Oldham player off before he booked 1 cafc player some for absolute nailed on offences but at least 3 of the bookings handed out to Oldham were for things that he had pulled us up for with a free kick but no cards , he then booked 4 cafc players in the last ten mins for nothing offences he was in a complete melt down one of the worst I have ever seen in his ability to orchestrate and mange a game
How do you know. Our players were incensed about the challege, so they saw it. Maybe he did too?
I thought the most extraordinary decision of the afternoon was the free-kick the ref gave Charlton when Bauer "fouled" Amos.
And had given the ball to the striker , as Robinson says the ref was a liar as he blew as soon as Bauer hit Amos but told the striker its was given because the keeper had control of the ball
Our players were incensed about what? Solly was holding his face where the ball hit it yet the contact on a slow mo shows his foot (I have t seen this yet )
Even solly wasnt worried about his foot so what did the ref see
He reacted to the players and solly holding his face he didn't know what had happened as did the players they just knew solly was hurt holding his face after a strong challenge
Players you expect to react the ref no you don't
The lino gave nothing no reaction at all yet had the best view of all
Agreed about the awful refereeing, managed to annoy both sets of fans. Told my mate to put a few quid on the booking points but foolishly didn't do it myself!
Just seen extended highlights and solly goes down and is holding his face not once does he touch his ankle or foot
Now the player doesn't touch his face with anything so what could the ref have seen that solly didn't feel
It's a reaction sending off , I am giving solly the benefit of the doubt as I believe the ball struck him in the boat
If it didn't then solly has turned into Nicky Bailey
As I said, raised studs aimed at Solly's leg as he was taking a massive swipe at the ball. Doesn't matter that he only clipped him. Good spot by the ref on an otherwise awful day for him.
I thought the most extraordinary decision of the afternoon was the free-kick the ref gave Charlton when Bauer "fouled" Amos.
Assume this incident was the one down the other end to the away fans where Craig Davies pushed Bauer into Amos. Was really obvious from our side on view but imagine wasn't visible from the away end as the players' body would have been in the way of the push.
From all the comments it looks like a few teams will try and kick the football out of us this season. We will be playing 10 men on a regular basis.
we're better equipped to handle it this rather than last season .. a few of our players are not averse to giving some back or even first .. what does concern me is the fact that our defenders (Bauer excepted) are small compared with most in this division .. we are always going to be vulnerable to the long ball game with two big feckers putting it about up front .. I can't see any solution to this unless Naby is regularly selected .. and that AINT gonna happen
From all the comments it looks like a few teams will try and kick the football out of us this season. We will be playing 10 men on a regular basis.
we're better equipped to handle it this rather than last season .. a few of our players are not averse to giving some back or even first .. what does concern me is the fact that our defenders (Bauer excepted) are small compared with most in this division .. we are always going to be vulnerable to the long ball game with two big feckers putting it about up front .. I can't see any solution to this unless Naby is regularly selected .. and that AINT gonna happen
We need one weakness just to give the others a chance
From all the comments it looks like a few teams will try and kick the football out of us this season. We will be playing 10 men on a regular basis.
we're better equipped to handle it this rather than last season .. a few of our players are not averse to giving some back or even first .. what does concern me is the fact that our defenders (Bauer excepted) are small compared with most in this division .. we are always going to be vulnerable to the long ball game with two big feckers putting it about up front .. I can't see any solution to this unless Naby is regularly selected .. and that AINT gonna happen
He's supposed to have improved I thought? I'd pick him when it's obvious we're up against giants playing the long ball game. And Dijksteel instead of Solly. It would also be useful to rest Pearce or Bauer occasionally during a long season.
Good result, but slightly worried that we eased off at 2-0 and allowed them to score with 10 men. Well done lads - I am staying calm till after the Wigan match but quietly confident.
I thought we looked very strong size wise , we have a good mix of physical and nimble players my biggest issue is I don't think I am ever going to like Robinson
Having watched all league games but the opening day via iFollow what I think is becoming clearer is that the strength of this team is the midfield.
Every midfielder is comfortable on the ball. We have goals, creativity, energy and mobility in there. Even if we have an injury or two we still have Reeves and Marshall to bring in once fit, and various youngsters who should fit the style.
Thinking back over the last 10 years since relegation from the Prem I'm not sure we've ever had that.
We've been able to win games without the striker having a great game through being effective at holding up the ball and winning headers. So often in the past I've found if we don't have a striker doing those things well we struggle to compete. Now we have a completely different and much more threatening midfield it's not quite as important - as we saw on Saturday with KAG and then Dodoo leading the line. They might not suit the role but it wasn't as much of an issue as perhaps expected.
The midfield is one of the main reasons we can play a lone striker yet also an attacking style. This is nothing like the defensive 4-5-1s we saw under Pardew, Parkinson and at times Powell.
This is also why I'm becoming more confident of a good season. Compare to 11/12 were I felt the defence was the strongest part of the team. Yann was the stand out player and BWP the goalscorer but the defence made us so difficult to break down. That meant we always had a chance of getting a result.
This season that is coming from the midfield. How will they cope against better sides? Should the opposition attack us our midfield might just benefit from the space teams leave in behind. We've seen that happen in the games we've gone ahead, Dodoo's debut goal being an example when we've made it count.
Credit has to go to Robinson. I liked the idea of his football but needed convincing he could get the right players and get it working at this level. Still early days but definitely something to feel positive about.
The sky reporter was happy with the sending off. Said the player went into the tackle with his studs up. Second yellow and not a straight red.
At two nil down I think they were told to put the boot in. Commentry suggested tackles were going unpunished. Continuous foul play in this league so often goes unpunished and it is about time it did.
Refs get more right than we may think and I have often come away from a match convinced a ref has got it wrong until I have seen a replay. On this thread someone said that we got a free kick for a foul on Amos by Baur and someone corrected and said it was against their player for pushing him into Amos. No tears from me for a dirty side and I hope the likes of Homes get the protection the Laws of the game provide.
Having watched all league games but the opening day via iFollow what I think is becoming clearer is that the strength of this team is the midfield.
Every midfielder is comfortable on the ball. We have goals, creativity, energy and mobility in there. Even if we have an injury or two we still have Reeves and Marshall to bring in once fit, and various youngsters who should fit the style.
Thinking back over the last 10 years since relegation from the Prem I'm not sure we've ever had that.
We've been able to win games without the striker having a great game through being effective at holding up the ball and winning headers. So often in the past I've found if we don't have a striker doing those things well we struggle to compete. Now we have a completely different and much more threatening midfield it's not quite as important - as we saw on Saturday with KAG and then Dodoo leading the line. They might not suit the role but it wasn't as much of an issue as perhaps expected.
The midfield is one of the main reasons we can play a lone striker yet also an attacking style. This is nothing like the defensive 4-5-1s we saw under Pardew, Parkinson and at times Powell.
This is also why I'm becoming more confident of a good season. Compare to 11/12 were I felt the defence was the strongest part of the team. Yann was the stand out player and BWP the goalscorer but the defence made us so difficult to break down. That meant we always had a chance of getting a result.
This season that is coming from the midfield. How will they cope against better sides? Should the opposition attack us our midfield might just benefit from the space teams leave in behind. We've seen that happen in the games we've gone ahead, Dodoo's debut goal being an example when we've made it count.
Credit has to go to Robinson. I liked the idea of his football but needed convincing he could get the right players and get it working at this level. Still early days but definitely something to feel positive about.
Good analysis Scoham. I would just say, you can't underestimate the importance of a fit and in form Kashi to our current form. Injuries to Kashi and Holmes could easily derail our season imo
Having watched all league games but the opening day via iFollow what I think is becoming clearer is that the strength of this team is the midfield.
Every midfielder is comfortable on the ball. We have goals, creativity, energy and mobility in there. Even if we have an injury or two we still have Reeves and Marshall to bring in once fit, and various youngsters who should fit the style.
Thinking back over the last 10 years since relegation from the Prem I'm not sure we've ever had that.
We've been able to win games without the striker having a great game through being effective at holding up the ball and winning headers. So often in the past I've found if we don't have a striker doing those things well we struggle to compete. Now we have a completely different and much more threatening midfield it's not quite as important - as we saw on Saturday with KAG and then Dodoo leading the line. They might not suit the role but it wasn't as much of an issue as perhaps expected.
The midfield is one of the main reasons we can play a lone striker yet also an attacking style. This is nothing like the defensive 4-5-1s we saw under Pardew, Parkinson and at times Powell.
This is also why I'm becoming more confident of a good season. Compare to 11/12 were I felt the defence was the strongest part of the team. Yann was the stand out player and BWP the goalscorer but the defence made us so difficult to break down. That meant we always had a chance of getting a result.
This season that is coming from the midfield. How will they cope against better sides? Should the opposition attack us our midfield might just benefit from the space teams leave in behind. We've seen that happen in the games we've gone ahead, Dodoo's debut goal being an example when we've made it count.
Credit has to go to Robinson. I liked the idea of his football but needed convincing he could get the right players and get it working at this level. Still early days but definitely something to feel positive about.
Good analysis Scoham. I would just say, you can't underestimate the importance of a fit and in form Kashi to our current form. Injuries to Kashi and Holmes could easily derail our season imo
It could but I think we have others that should step up and replace them, even if not quite a good as probably our two best players. That hasn't been the case in recent years.
For Holmes we will hopefully soon have Reeves and Marshall fit, both good players in this league. Not many clubs will have players of their quality waiting for their chance.
Kashi would probably be replaced by Konsa or Dijksteel. Konsa might not be as good as Kashi in that role but he's still capable. I haven't seen Dijksteel yet so can't comment but everything I've read has been very positive.
Next month Konsa will be 20 and Dijksteel will be 21. They aren't 17/18 year olds being thrown in too early. If they aren't ready to play a part in League 1 by now they shouldn't be at the club.
On the other hand it wouldn't be a shock if we signed Josh Wright. He played a more attacking role last season but before that was always a deeper lying midfielder.
No club has equal back ups for their star players but ours should be as good as anyone else has in this league.
We will find out soon enough the ref was reported and those in charge requested to review the whole 90 mins video
The sending off changed the game in our favour fortunately and we have been on the end of enough shit decisions so it does level out , it don't make it right and I hope we don't rely on this fella again as he will without doubt favour the opposition next time if he gets pulled in
From my seating position Oldham in the first twenty mins when chasing shadows gave away needless and stupid fouls some that warranted yellows some that didn't
In the first half we gave away fewer free kicks but some that were worse or the same as what Oldham got booked for
For a team to get to 6 or 7 bookings before we got one was odd but for us to then get 4 bookings in the last ten when the Offences hadn't changed from fouls that hadn't resulted in bookings or by players who hadn't had prior warning was just as odd especially as the ref had started to ignore Oldham's fouls that had earlier warranted yellows
(He had lost it and knew it by then )
The point about the incident with Bauer and Amos isn't really valid in any other way than to prove how shit the ref was and prove robinsons point he Says different things to justify his decision or is a liar as suggested by Robinson.
the ref stated he gave the foul in favour of Amos not for a push but for the keeper having the ball under control when the player won it from him yet he blew his whistle for a foul before that happened , why not just say I saw a push on the charlton player especially if he had and had got it spot on as it's a great spot
I know this as I was talking with the player post game and he told me what the ref said as the reason for stopping the game at that point
And Robinson said that the pen was awarded for a push and later changed to hand ball
All imo back up the fact the ref was reacting to opinions not what had happened in front of him
And it certainly was what got the Oldham player sent off and was why solly got dogs abuse after , he was holding his face not his foot he never once complained about his foot the ref didn't see a high boot no one did at full speed not even the players that complained they saw solly holding his face and writhing around , I am certain the ball struck him in the face I was virtually level with it
The ref was in no position to see anything if you watch the replay he is not even in camera view there's 4 players next to each other and it's at speed the lino gave nothing , it's all about our reaction and that of solly , this week it went for us but it was a shit display from him and I hope he gets punished for it
We will find out soon enough the ref was reported and those in charge requested to review the whole 90 mins video
The sending off changed the game in our favour fortunately and we have been on the end of enough shit decisions so it does level out , it don't make it right and I hope we don't rely on this fella again as he will without doubt favour the opposition next time if he gets pulled in
From my seating position Oldham in the first twenty mins when chasing shadows gave away needless and stupid fouls some that warranted yellows some that didn't
In the first half we gave away fewer free kicks but some that were worse or the same as what Oldham got booked for
For a team to get to 6 or 7 bookings before we got one was odd but for us to then get 4 bookings in the last ten when the Offences hadn't changed from fouls that hadn't resulted in bookings or by players who hadn't had prior warning was just as odd especially as the ref had started to ignore Oldham's fouls that had earlier warranted yellows
(He had lost it and knew it by then )
The point about the incident with Bauer and Amos isn't really valid in any other way than to prove how shit the ref was and prove robinsons point he Says different things to justify his decision or is a liar as suggested by Robinson.
the ref stated he gave the foul in favour of Amos not for a push but for the keeper having the ball under control when the player won it from him yet he blew his whistle for a foul before that happened , why not just say I saw a push on the charlton player especially if he had and had got it spot on as it's a great spot
I know this as I was talking with the player post game and he told me what the ref said as the reason for stopping the game at that point
And Robinson said that the pen was awarded for a push and later changed to hand ball
All imo back up the fact the ref was reacting to opinions not what had happened in front of him
And it certainly was what got the Oldham player sent off and was why solly got dogs abuse after , he was holding his face not his foot he never once complained about his foot the ref didn't see a high boot no one did at full speed not even the players that complained they saw solly holding his face and writhing around , I am certain the ball struck him in the face I was virtually level with it
The ref was in no position to see anything if you watch the replay he is not even in camera view there's 4 players next to each other and it's at speed the lino gave nothing , it's all about our reaction and that of solly , this week it went for us but it was a shit display from him and I hope he gets punished for it
The video is not a great angle but it's hard to disagree with this assessment.
.... my biggest issue is I don't think I am ever going to like Robinson
He sets his team up to play a passing game, attractive attacking football which has generally been a pleasure to watch this season. And the players seem to be buzzing too.
I wasn't sure what to make of him before - but despite his runaway mouth, there's no denying his passion for the beautiful game. He simply loves his football.
I just wish I could understand what he's actually saying.
We will find out soon enough the ref was reported and those in charge requested to review the whole 90 mins video
The sending off changed the game in our favour fortunately and we have been on the end of enough shit decisions so it does level out , it don't make it right and I hope we don't rely on this fella again as he will without doubt favour the opposition next time if he gets pulled in
From my seating position Oldham in the first twenty mins when chasing shadows gave away needless and stupid fouls some that warranted yellows some that didn't
In the first half we gave away fewer free kicks but some that were worse or the same as what Oldham got booked for
For a team to get to 6 or 7 bookings before we got one was odd but for us to then get 4 bookings in the last ten when the Offences hadn't changed from fouls that hadn't resulted in bookings or by players who hadn't had prior warning was just as odd especially as the ref had started to ignore Oldham's fouls that had earlier warranted yellows
(He had lost it and knew it by then )
The point about the incident with Bauer and Amos isn't really valid in any other way than to prove how shit the ref was and prove robinsons point he Says different things to justify his decision or is a liar as suggested by Robinson.
the ref stated he gave the foul in favour of Amos not for a push but for the keeper having the ball under control when the player won it from him yet he blew his whistle for a foul before that happened , why not just say I saw a push on the charlton player especially if he had and had got it spot on as it's a great spot
I know this as I was talking with the player post game and he told me what the ref said as the reason for stopping the game at that point
And Robinson said that the pen was awarded for a push and later changed to hand ball
All imo back up the fact the ref was reacting to opinions not what had happened in front of him
And it certainly was what got the Oldham player sent off and was why solly got dogs abuse after , he was holding his face not his foot he never once complained about his foot the ref didn't see a high boot no one did at full speed not even the players that complained they saw solly holding his face and writhing around , I am certain the ball struck him in the face I was virtually level with it
The ref was in no position to see anything if you watch the replay he is not even in camera view there's 4 players next to each other and it's at speed the lino gave nothing , it's all about our reaction and that of solly , this week it went for us but it was a shit display from him and I hope he gets punished for it
The video is not a great angle but it's hard to disagree with this assessment.
It was studs up, as Solly's leg was swinging at the ball. Saw it as such at the time, and the slo-mo isn't slow enough, but you can just about see it. It was inches from being very nasty. He just clipped Solly's ankle but could have been much worse. [Just heard Ricky saying the same on Valley Pass]. Agree with the rest though. We were yards from the penalty, and agreed that Holmes went in with his arms in that raised position that the ref demonstrated, and the ball seemed to deflect onto his hand or arm.
We will find out soon enough the ref was reported and those in charge requested to review the whole 90 mins video
The sending off changed the game in our favour fortunately and we have been on the end of enough shit decisions so it does level out , it don't make it right and I hope we don't rely on this fella again as he will without doubt favour the opposition next time if he gets pulled in
From my seating position Oldham in the first twenty mins when chasing shadows gave away needless and stupid fouls some that warranted yellows some that didn't
In the first half we gave away fewer free kicks but some that were worse or the same as what Oldham got booked for
For a team to get to 6 or 7 bookings before we got one was odd but for us to then get 4 bookings in the last ten when the Offences hadn't changed from fouls that hadn't resulted in bookings or by players who hadn't had prior warning was just as odd especially as the ref had started to ignore Oldham's fouls that had earlier warranted yellows
(He had lost it and knew it by then )
The point about the incident with Bauer and Amos isn't really valid in any other way than to prove how shit the ref was and prove robinsons point he Says different things to justify his decision or is a liar as suggested by Robinson.
the ref stated he gave the foul in favour of Amos not for a push but for the keeper having the ball under control when the player won it from him yet he blew his whistle for a foul before that happened , why not just say I saw a push on the charlton player especially if he had and had got it spot on as it's a great spot
I know this as I was talking with the player post game and he told me what the ref said as the reason for stopping the game at that point
And Robinson said that the pen was awarded for a push and later changed to hand ball
All imo back up the fact the ref was reacting to opinions not what had happened in front of him
And it certainly was what got the Oldham player sent off and was why solly got dogs abuse after , he was holding his face not his foot he never once complained about his foot the ref didn't see a high boot no one did at full speed not even the players that complained they saw solly holding his face and writhing around , I am certain the ball struck him in the face I was virtually level with it
The ref was in no position to see anything if you watch the replay he is not even in camera view there's 4 players next to each other and it's at speed the lino gave nothing , it's all about our reaction and that of solly , this week it went for us but it was a shit display from him and I hope he gets punished for it
The video is not a great angle but it's hard to disagree with this assessment.
. We were yards from the penalty, and agreed that Holmes went in with his arms in that raised position that the ref demonstrated, and the ball seemed to deflect onto his hand or arm.
What do you reckon, Jimmy ...... hand to ball or ball to hand?
We will find out soon enough the ref was reported and those in charge requested to review the whole 90 mins video
The sending off changed the game in our favour fortunately and we have been on the end of enough shit decisions so it does level out , it don't make it right and I hope we don't rely on this fella again as he will without doubt favour the opposition next time if he gets pulled in
From my seating position Oldham in the first twenty mins when chasing shadows gave away needless and stupid fouls some that warranted yellows some that didn't
In the first half we gave away fewer free kicks but some that were worse or the same as what Oldham got booked for
For a team to get to 6 or 7 bookings before we got one was odd but for us to then get 4 bookings in the last ten when the Offences hadn't changed from fouls that hadn't resulted in bookings or by players who hadn't had prior warning was just as odd especially as the ref had started to ignore Oldham's fouls that had earlier warranted yellows
(He had lost it and knew it by then )
The point about the incident with Bauer and Amos isn't really valid in any other way than to prove how shit the ref was and prove robinsons point he Says different things to justify his decision or is a liar as suggested by Robinson.
the ref stated he gave the foul in favour of Amos not for a push but for the keeper having the ball under control when the player won it from him yet he blew his whistle for a foul before that happened , why not just say I saw a push on the charlton player especially if he had and had got it spot on as it's a great spot
I know this as I was talking with the player post game and he told me what the ref said as the reason for stopping the game at that point
And Robinson said that the pen was awarded for a push and later changed to hand ball
All imo back up the fact the ref was reacting to opinions not what had happened in front of him
And it certainly was what got the Oldham player sent off and was why solly got dogs abuse after , he was holding his face not his foot he never once complained about his foot the ref didn't see a high boot no one did at full speed not even the players that complained they saw solly holding his face and writhing around , I am certain the ball struck him in the face I was virtually level with it
The ref was in no position to see anything if you watch the replay he is not even in camera view there's 4 players next to each other and it's at speed the lino gave nothing , it's all about our reaction and that of solly , this week it went for us but it was a shit display from him and I hope he gets punished for it
The video is not a great angle but it's hard to disagree with this assessment.
. We were yards from the penalty, and agreed that Holmes went in with his arms in that raised position that the ref demonstrated, and the ball seemed to deflect onto his hand or arm.
What do you reckon, Jimmy ...... hand to ball or ball to hand?
Oggy, I think when you've got your hands up it doesn't matter, technically.
We will find out soon enough the ref was reported and those in charge requested to review the whole 90 mins video
The sending off changed the game in our favour fortunately and we have been on the end of enough shit decisions so it does level out , it don't make it right and I hope we don't rely on this fella again as he will without doubt favour the opposition next time if he gets pulled in
From my seating position Oldham in the first twenty mins when chasing shadows gave away needless and stupid fouls some that warranted yellows some that didn't
In the first half we gave away fewer free kicks but some that were worse or the same as what Oldham got booked for
For a team to get to 6 or 7 bookings before we got one was odd but for us to then get 4 bookings in the last ten when the Offences hadn't changed from fouls that hadn't resulted in bookings or by players who hadn't had prior warning was just as odd especially as the ref had started to ignore Oldham's fouls that had earlier warranted yellows
(He had lost it and knew it by then )
The point about the incident with Bauer and Amos isn't really valid in any other way than to prove how shit the ref was and prove robinsons point he Says different things to justify his decision or is a liar as suggested by Robinson.
the ref stated he gave the foul in favour of Amos not for a push but for the keeper having the ball under control when the player won it from him yet he blew his whistle for a foul before that happened , why not just say I saw a push on the charlton player especially if he had and had got it spot on as it's a great spot
I know this as I was talking with the player post game and he told me what the ref said as the reason for stopping the game at that point
And Robinson said that the pen was awarded for a push and later changed to hand ball
All imo back up the fact the ref was reacting to opinions not what had happened in front of him
And it certainly was what got the Oldham player sent off and was why solly got dogs abuse after , he was holding his face not his foot he never once complained about his foot the ref didn't see a high boot no one did at full speed not even the players that complained they saw solly holding his face and writhing around , I am certain the ball struck him in the face I was virtually level with it
The ref was in no position to see anything if you watch the replay he is not even in camera view there's 4 players next to each other and it's at speed the lino gave nothing , it's all about our reaction and that of solly , this week it went for us but it was a shit display from him and I hope he gets punished for it
The video is not a great angle but it's hard to disagree with this assessment.
. We were yards from the penalty, and agreed that Holmes went in with his arms in that raised position that the ref demonstrated, and the ball seemed to deflect onto his hand or arm.
What do you reckon, Jimmy ...... hand to ball or ball to hand?
Oggy, I think when you've got your hands up it doesn't matter, technically.
Hi Jimmy .... it can be hard for a referee to be sure in the heat of the game, especially from distance. But the laws of the game do say that ball to hand is not an offence.
Just seen extended highlights and solly goes down and is holding his face not once does he touch his ankle or foot
Now the player doesn't touch his face with anything so what could the ref have seen that solly didn't feel
It's a reaction sending off , I am giving solly the benefit of the doubt as I believe the ball struck him in the boat
If it didn't then solly has turned into Nicky Bailey
I really couldn't give a monkeys. We won, I don't care if Solly play acted or was caught by the players studs. We have been on the end of poor decisions in the past. It is all over, let's move on to Southend.
Looking forward to Saturday, Should be a good game as Southend aren't an easy team to beat but feel we start to quick for some teams and steamroll over them! Just have to keep composure for 90 minutes. Do that and we have a very good chance of going up.
Early days I know but cant remember the last time I had a slither of hope
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The ref was bonkers though.
FACT
Even solly wasnt worried about his foot so what did the ref see
He reacted to the players and solly holding his face he didn't know what had happened as did the players they just knew solly was hurt holding his face after a strong challenge
Players you expect to react the ref no you don't
The lino gave nothing no reaction at all yet had the best view of all
Why don't the refs and linos communicate any more
Now the player doesn't touch his face with anything so what could the ref have seen that solly didn't feel
It's a reaction sending off , I am giving solly the benefit of the doubt as I believe the ball struck him in the boat
If it didn't then solly has turned into Nicky Bailey
what does concern me is the fact that our defenders (Bauer excepted) are small compared with most in this division .. we are always going to be vulnerable to the long ball game with two big feckers putting it about up front .. I can't see any solution to this unless Naby is regularly selected .. and that AINT gonna happen
#CLoldjoke
tut tut
Well done lads - I am staying calm till after the Wigan match but quietly confident.
Every midfielder is comfortable on the ball. We have goals, creativity, energy and mobility in there. Even if we have an injury or two we still have Reeves and Marshall to bring in once fit, and various youngsters who should fit the style.
Thinking back over the last 10 years since relegation from the Prem I'm not sure we've ever had that.
We've been able to win games without the striker having a great game through being effective at holding up the ball and winning headers. So often in the past I've found if we don't have a striker doing those things well we struggle to compete. Now we have a completely different and much more threatening midfield it's not quite as important - as we saw on Saturday with KAG and then Dodoo leading the line. They might not suit the role but it wasn't as much of an issue as perhaps expected.
The midfield is one of the main reasons we can play a lone striker yet also an attacking style. This is nothing like the defensive 4-5-1s we saw under Pardew, Parkinson and at times Powell.
This is also why I'm becoming more confident of a good season. Compare to 11/12 were I felt the defence was the strongest part of the team. Yann was the stand out player and BWP the goalscorer but the defence made us so difficult to break down. That meant we always had a chance of getting a result.
This season that is coming from the midfield. How will they cope against better sides? Should the opposition attack us our midfield might just benefit from the space teams leave in behind. We've seen that happen in the games we've gone ahead, Dodoo's debut goal being an example when we've made it count.
Credit has to go to Robinson. I liked the idea of his football but needed convincing he could get the right players and get it working at this level. Still early days but definitely something to feel positive about.
At two nil down I think they were told to put the boot in. Commentry suggested tackles were going unpunished. Continuous foul play in this league so often goes unpunished and it is about time it did.
Refs get more right than we may think and I have often come away from a match convinced a ref has got it wrong until I have seen a replay. On this thread someone said that we got a free kick for a foul on Amos by Baur and someone corrected and said it was against their player for pushing him into Amos. No tears from me for a dirty side and I hope the likes of Homes get the protection the Laws of the game provide.
I would just say, you can't underestimate the importance of a fit and in form Kashi to our current form.
Injuries to Kashi and Holmes could easily derail our season imo
For Holmes we will hopefully soon have Reeves and Marshall fit, both good players in this league. Not many clubs will have players of their quality waiting for their chance.
Kashi would probably be replaced by Konsa or Dijksteel. Konsa might not be as good as Kashi in that role but he's still capable. I haven't seen Dijksteel yet so can't comment but everything I've read has been very positive.
Next month Konsa will be 20 and Dijksteel will be 21. They aren't 17/18 year olds being thrown in too early. If they aren't ready to play a part in League 1 by now they shouldn't be at the club.
On the other hand it wouldn't be a shock if we signed Josh Wright. He played a more attacking role last season but before that was always a deeper lying midfielder.
No club has equal back ups for their star players but ours should be as good as anyone else has in this league.
The sending off changed the game in our favour fortunately and we have been on the end of enough shit decisions so it does level out , it don't make it right and I hope we don't rely on this fella again as he will without doubt favour the opposition next time if he gets pulled in
From my seating position Oldham in the first twenty mins when chasing shadows gave away needless and stupid fouls some that warranted yellows some that didn't
In the first half we gave away fewer free kicks but some that were worse or the same as what Oldham got booked for
For a team to get to 6 or 7 bookings before we got one was odd but for us to then get 4 bookings in the last ten when the Offences hadn't changed from fouls that hadn't resulted in bookings or by players who hadn't had prior warning was just as odd especially as the ref had started to ignore Oldham's fouls that had earlier warranted yellows
(He had lost it and knew it by then )
The point about the incident with Bauer and Amos isn't really valid in any other way than to prove how shit the ref was and prove robinsons point he Says different things to justify his decision or is a liar as suggested by Robinson.
the ref stated he gave the foul in favour of Amos not for a push but for the keeper having the ball under control when the player won it from him yet he blew his whistle for a foul before that happened , why not just say I saw a push on the charlton player especially if he had and had got it spot on as it's a great spot
I know this as I was talking with the player post game and he told me what the ref said as the reason for stopping the game at that point
And Robinson said that the pen was awarded for a push and later changed to hand ball
All imo back up the fact the ref was reacting to opinions not what had happened in front of him
And it certainly was what got the Oldham player sent off and was why solly got dogs abuse after , he was holding his face not his foot he never once complained about his foot the ref didn't see a high boot no one did at full speed not even the players that complained they saw solly holding his face and writhing around , I am certain the ball struck him in the face I was virtually level with it
The ref was in no position to see anything if you watch the replay he is not even in camera view there's 4 players next to each other and it's at speed the lino gave nothing , it's all about our reaction and that of solly , this week it went for us but it was a shit display from him and I hope he gets punished for it
He sets his team up to play a passing game, attractive attacking football which has generally been a pleasure to watch this season.
And the players seem to be buzzing too.
I wasn't sure what to make of him before - but despite his runaway mouth, there's no denying his passion for the beautiful game. He simply loves his football.
I just wish I could understand what he's actually saying.
Agree with the rest though. We were yards from the penalty, and agreed that Holmes went in with his arms in that raised position that the ref demonstrated, and the ball seemed to deflect onto his hand or arm.
But the laws of the game do say that ball to hand is not an offence.
In the opinion of the referee, of course.
Early days I know but cant remember the last time I had a slither of hope