The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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I'm a bit fuzzy on the DD process so correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't sell on fees/appearance fees for the likes of Gomez/Lookman have already been factored into the overall club valuation? Gomez had already played for England before any DD happened as well didn't he?2
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"intractable personality" should read intractable 'sociopathic' personality.soapboxsam said:As Duchatelet's raison d'etre was to run Charlton as a factory farm for young players before selling them to the highest bidder at some point in this food chain, then I can believe the Joe Gomez transfer is an issue.
The best Academy player we have produced this century went to Liverpool for £3.5 million with multiple add -ons ; so not only would Duchatelet's legal team have made sure that the usual appearances for Liverpool, England etc were included, BUT the protential next transfer could be the problem.
Michy Batshuayi transferred to Marseille for 4.5 million from standard Liege. The next move was to Chelsea for £33 million and this is where Roland made 30% according to the European media.
The devil's in the detail and Duchatelet wants the money for himself after selling the club.
I could well imagine the old Walloon is playing the long game on every possible revenue stream that could flow to him or his next of kin in the future.
The fans, players, staff and the new owners are the victims of Duchatelet's intractable personality.1 -
surely this would be the case0
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Yes. And any add-on clauses are included at the time of contract so I don't see why this can be a delaying issue now.Manicmania said:I'm a bit fuzzy on the DD process so correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't sell on fees/appearance fees for the likes of Gomez/Lookman have already been factored into the overall club valuation? Gomez had already played for England before any DD happened as well didn't he?
I think the sale may have happened but we are waiting for EFL to ratify.3 -
I'm advised the niggles have nothing to do with the splitting of the valley and training ground as that isn't happening so lets not worry about that and i'm also advised that it isn't rd holding it up as he wants out asap12
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That is re-assuring.DOUCHER said:I'm advised the niggles have nothing to do with the splitting of the valley and training ground as that isn't happening so lets not worry about that and i'm also advised that it isn't rd holding it up as he wants out asap
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This can only be good news if correctDOUCHER said:I'm advised the niggles have nothing to do with the splitting of the valley and training ground as that isn't happening so lets not worry about that and i'm also advised that it isn't rd holding it up as he wants out asap
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I was present at the conversation at which this inside information was brought up but it was a more detailed.agim said:Deal is done apparently. Only RD holding it up. Joe Gomez starting again for England has thrown another spanner in the works. This is from somebody who speaks to the right people at the club.
Roland is nit picking absolutely everything.
He is the only one holding up the deal being official and completed.
He wants the money of future player appearance fees etc.
Whether or not he is directly entitled to those things, I do not know.
Basically the man is an absolute twat
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You'd have thought so, yes, but these things are also more fluid over a relatively short period of time than you'd think. Back in August/September, none of Gomez, Lookman, JBG or Pope were regular starters for their EPL clubs (some due to injury). At that stage not even the appearance based add-ons were real and visible, let alone England appearances.Manicmania said:I'm a bit fuzzy on the DD process so correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't sell on fees/appearance fees for the likes of Gomez/Lookman have already been factored into the overall club valuation? Gomez had already played for England before any DD happened as well didn't he?
In the case of Gomez, it's likely that the number of appearances for Liverpool are a much bigger part of the deal than England caps, as these are more aligned with the interests of the party that negotiated the deal. Indeed, it may be more significant to RD's cash flow than the England question - Joe is now injured again and out for several weeks, marooned on 39 appearances (incl. subs). Maybe this unfortunate injury is now delaying a substantial payment triggered by his 40th appearance?
Whether thus is significant to RD or the deal is pure guesswork, as most of the stuff on this thread, and will depend on whether a man worth a billion Euros considers the odd £250k around the edges to be a trifling sum or something worth digging in for. And I'm sure we all have a personal view on that.3 -
And he loses money whilst he waits! But the man may be rich but we should have all worked out by now that he isn't all there.4
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DOUCHER said:
I'm advised the niggles have nothing to do with the splitting of the valley and training ground as that isn't happening so lets not worry about that and i'm also advised that it isn't rd holding it up as he wants out asap
Spot the difference.Dave2l said:
I was present at the conversation at which this inside information was brought up but it was a more detailed.agim said:Deal is done apparently. Only RD holding it up. Joe Gomez starting again for England has thrown another spanner in the works. This is from somebody who speaks to the right people at the club.
Roland is nit picking absolutely everything.
He is the only one holding up the deal being official and completed.
He wants the money of future player appearance fees etc.
Whether or not he is directly entitled to those things, I do not know.
Basically the man is an absolute twat
Not exactly news.8 -
Thanks for reminding me mate.RedChaser said:
I'm pretty sure @blackpool72 has a daily reminder on his phone to do thisMuttleyCAFC said:If the ducktape fool is arguing over potential selling clauses, the buyers should be seeking compo for Pope not having one. Somebody needs to tell this pathetic little excuse for a man to F off.
Just sell the club and FUCK OFF13 -
...Thanks for the detailed reply Ash, I understand the fluidity of add ons, my point (that I probably didn't explain well enough) was that, knowing how fluid these add ons are, that the DD process would have accounted for this in arriving at a valuation - I mean, Konsa could have a career ending injury tomorrow and suddenly that's a (guessing) 5 Million valued asset off the books - nothing about buying a football club is set in stone so surely there has to be an element of certain assumptions being made in the DD process when arriving at a valuation?1
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You remind me of a Clairvoyant and spiritualist who beguiles his needy audience and locates the person in the crowd who has a grandmother called Mary and tells them granny is happy on the other side and to go for a check up at the doctor's to cure a little problem that is troubling one.DOUCHER said:I'm advised the niggles have nothing to do with the splitting of the valley and training ground as that isn't happening so lets not worry about that and i'm also advised that it isn't rd holding it up as he wants out asap
Of course Douchebag want out ASP but only on his terms which means ASP is taking so long.
Carry on Doucher, it gives you a kick and is quite amusing at times.3 -
I totally agree. But the longer this process drags out, the more tweaks to these assumptions could be made due to new events or information. All very tedious!Manicmania said:...Thanks for the detailed reply Ash, I understand the fluidity of add ons, my point (that I probably didn't explain well enough) was that, knowing how fluid these add ons are, that the DD process would have accounted for this in arriving at a valuation - I mean, Konsa could have a career ending injury tomorrow and suddenly that's a (guessing) 5 Million valued asset off the books - nothing about buying a football club is set in stone so surely there has to be an element of certain assumptions being made in the DD process when arriving at a valuation?
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Duchatelet is doing a shit job of getting out ASAP, about the same level of competency as his football strategy.DOUCHER said:I'm advised the niggles have nothing to do with the splitting of the valley and training ground as that isn't happening so lets not worry about that and i'm also advised that it isn't rd holding it up as he wants out asap
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Can't someone knock on Roland's grandad's door and give him a leafletsoapboxsam said:As Duchatelet's raison d'etre was to run Charlton as a factory farm for young players before selling them to the highest bidder at some point in this food chain, then I can believe the Joe Gomez transfer is an issue.
The best Academy player we have produced this century went to Liverpool for £3.5 million with multiple add -ons ; so not only would Duchatelet's legal team have made sure that the usual appearances for Liverpool, England etc were included, BUT the protential next transfer could be the problem.
Michy Batshuayi transferred to Marseille for 4.5 million from standard Liege. The next move was to Chelsea for £33 million and this is where Roland made 30% according to the European media.
The devil's in the detail and Duchatelet wants the money for himself after selling the club.
I could well imagine the old Walloon is playing the long game on every possible revenue stream that could flow to him or his next of kin in the future.
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The word 'niggle' comes from the same shelf as a 'white lie'. A problem is a problem a lie is a lie.
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I think this will be concluded next week.0
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Dave2l said:
I was present at the conversation at which this inside information was brought up but it was a more detailed.agim said:Deal is done apparently. Only RD holding it up. Joe Gomez starting again for England has thrown another spanner in the works. This is from somebody who speaks to the right people at the club.
Roland is nit picking absolutely everything.
He is the only one holding up the deal being official and completed.
He wants the money of future player appearance fees etc.
Whether or not he is directly entitled to those things, I do not know.
Basically the man is an absolute twat
Not exactly news.
this will all depend on what he puts in the deal, it will be interesting to find out what he put in place in the purchase of the club and whether he made it clear that any sales of the players that he took on as part of the clubs assets he would be personally entitled to a % of the money and what % the club were entitled to
The bloke is a cancer to football
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Just passing on what I have been told - I'm not sure how that gives me a kick but anywaysoapboxsam said:
You remind me of a Clairvoyant and spiritualist who beguiles his needy audience and locates the person in the crowd who has a grandmother called Mary and tells them granny is happy on the other side and to go for a check up at the doctor's to cure a little problem that is troubling one.DOUCHER said:I'm advised the niggles have nothing to do with the splitting of the valley and training ground as that isn't happening so lets not worry about that and i'm also advised that it isn't rd holding it up as he wants out asap
Of course Douchebag want out ASP but only on his terms which means ASP is taking so long.
Carry on Doucher, it gives you a kick and is quite amusing at times.0 -
Problem is, who's been telling you?DOUCHER said:
Just passing on what I have been told - I'm not sure how that gives me a kick but anywaysoapboxsam said:
You remind me of a Clairvoyant and spiritualist who beguiles his needy audience and locates the person in the crowd who has a grandmother called Mary and tells them granny is happy on the other side and to go for a check up at the doctor's to cure a little problem that is troubling one.DOUCHER said:I'm advised the niggles have nothing to do with the splitting of the valley and training ground as that isn't happening so lets not worry about that and i'm also advised that it isn't rd holding it up as he wants out asap
Of course Douchebag want out ASP but only on his terms which means ASP is taking so long.
Carry on Doucher, it gives you a kick and is quite amusing at times.
Is it Duchatalet or your next door neighbour's milkman?1 -
Add-on clauses for sold players confirmed at £8.6m (potential maximum value) at of June 2017 - per latest published accounts.0
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I’m sure it can. Opening gambit from RD: £8.5m for me now, £0.1m potential upside for the buyer.Pedro45 said:
So it's not a surprise. Why can't a deal be done on this basis?AshBurton said:Add-on clauses for sold players confirmed at £8.6m (potential maximum value) at of June 2017 - per latest published accounts.
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I can confirm the Takeover is being held up at the moment, don’t know who by or why.
Just thought I’d pass this little bit of information on.2 -
Tallies with what I've been told.sillav nitram said:I can confirm the Takeover is being held up at the moment, don’t know who by or why.
Just thought I’d pass this little bit of information on.1
