The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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If they're not already aware of all of that, we really are are going from the frying pan into the fire!Ormiston Addick said:If it IS an Aussie consortium then they are going to find the $$$ involved in English football a real eye-opener.
Both main Aussie codes - AFL and NRL - have strict salary caps in place with AFL set at $12 million and NRL set at $7 million.
From an AFL perspective you have clubs that regularly get 50,000+ crowds yet only around six players - basically the absolute superstars - earn $1 million per year in AFL - nobody earns that in NRL - and the average AFL squad player brings in around $400,000.
They are going to get a nasty shock when they find out that a middling English club in the Championship needs to pay average players around $1 million (UK550,000) per year as an average wage - if you want the better players then you need even more than that.
That's before you even talk about transfer fees which do not exist in Australian sport at all - that could be the biggest eye-opener of all.25 -
I think we can safely say that paying circa 45 million quid for Charlton, rules out the involvement of any Scottish accountants.18
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If they did due diligence, which they would, there should be no surprses.Ormiston Addick said:If it IS an Aussie consortium then they are going to find the $$$ involved in English football a real eye-opener.
Both main Aussie codes - AFL and NRL - have strict salary caps in place with AFL set at $12 million and NRL set at $7 million.
From an AFL perspective you have clubs that regularly get 50,000+ crowds yet only around six players - basically the absolute superstars - earn $1 million per year in AFL - nobody earns that in NRL - and the average AFL squad player brings in around $400,000.
They are going to get a nasty shock when they find out that a middling English club in the Championship needs to pay average players around $1 million (UK550,000) per year as an average wage - if you want the better players then you need even more than that.
That's before you even talk about transfer fees which do not exist in Australian sport at all - that could be the biggest eye-opener of all.8 -
If the club had to build The Valley from scratch, what would it cost today?AFKABartram said:I’ve just winced paying out for a week’s caravan in Devon.
Imagine having £45m to spend on a third tier football club that loses £5-10m a year???
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If things are done properly, correct.American_Addick said:
If they did due diligence, which they would, there should be no surprses.Ormiston Addick said:If it IS an Aussie consortium then they are going to find the $$$ involved in English football a real eye-opener.
Both main Aussie codes - AFL and NRL - have strict salary caps in place with AFL set at $12 million and NRL set at $7 million.
From an AFL perspective you have clubs that regularly get 50,000+ crowds yet only around six players - basically the absolute superstars - earn $1 million per year in AFL - nobody earns that in NRL - and the average AFL squad player brings in around $400,000.
They are going to get a nasty shock when they find out that a middling English club in the Championship needs to pay average players around $1 million (UK550,000) per year as an average wage - if you want the better players then you need even more than that.
That's before you even talk about transfer fees which do not exist in Australian sport at all - that could be the biggest eye-opener of all.
The main issue is that in recent years we have seen untold clowns come into English football like the Venkys and Vincent Tan who did not have a clue what they were getting into.
Even if they ARE aware of the levels of cash involved it doesn’t mean they will cough them up, they may, like Roland, look for short cuts.
I am wary about the Aussies coming in, they don’t spend cash on transfers in any Aussie sport and have a culture based on player development - we are going to need more than that.
Moreover, given their lack of experience we are going to need an experienced CEO to steer the ship, we don’t need more bloody incompetent rookies running the joint.1 -
You have NO idea if the group has a lack of experience! Just because Muir is an Aussie, it doesn't mean the rest of them are! However, I genuinely don't know the answer to that point!Ormiston Addick said:
If things are done properly, correct.American_Addick said:
If they did due diligence, which they would, there should be no surprses.Ormiston Addick said:If it IS an Aussie consortium then they are going to find the $$$ involved in English football a real eye-opener.
Both main Aussie codes - AFL and NRL - have strict salary caps in place with AFL set at $12 million and NRL set at $7 million.
From an AFL perspective you have clubs that regularly get 50,000+ crowds yet only around six players - basically the absolute superstars - earn $1 million per year in AFL - nobody earns that in NRL - and the average AFL squad player brings in around $400,000.
They are going to get a nasty shock when they find out that a middling English club in the Championship needs to pay average players around $1 million (UK550,000) per year as an average wage - if you want the better players then you need even more than that.
That's before you even talk about transfer fees which do not exist in Australian sport at all - that could be the biggest eye-opener of all.
The main issue is that in recent years we have seen untold clowns come into English football like the Venkys and Vincent Tan who did not have a clue what they were getting into.
Even if they ARE aware of the levels of cash involved it doesn’t mean they will cough them up, they may, like Roland, look for short cuts.
I am wary about the Aussies coming in, they don’t spend cash on transfers in any Aussie sport and have a culture based on player development - we are going to need more than that.
Moreover, given their lack of experience we are going to need an experienced CEO to steer the ship, we don’t need more bloody incompetent rookies running the joint.
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AFAIK no Aussies have ever been involved in English professional football at a senior exec (MD/CEO) level and there have certainly not been any Aussie owners.supaclive said:
You have NO idea if the group has a lack of experience! Just because Muir is an Aussie, it doesn't mean the rest of them are! However, I genuinely don't know the answer to that point!Ormiston Addick said:
If things are done properly, correct.American_Addick said:
If they did due diligence, which they would, there should be no surprses.Ormiston Addick said:If it IS an Aussie consortium then they are going to find the $$$ involved in English football a real eye-opener.
Both main Aussie codes - AFL and NRL - have strict salary caps in place with AFL set at $12 million and NRL set at $7 million.
From an AFL perspective you have clubs that regularly get 50,000+ crowds yet only around six players - basically the absolute superstars - earn $1 million per year in AFL - nobody earns that in NRL - and the average AFL squad player brings in around $400,000.
They are going to get a nasty shock when they find out that a middling English club in the Championship needs to pay average players around $1 million (UK550,000) per year as an average wage - if you want the better players then you need even more than that.
That's before you even talk about transfer fees which do not exist in Australian sport at all - that could be the biggest eye-opener of all.
The main issue is that in recent years we have seen untold clowns come into English football like the Venkys and Vincent Tan who did not have a clue what they were getting into.
Even if they ARE aware of the levels of cash involved it doesn’t mean they will cough them up, they may, like Roland, look for short cuts.
I am wary about the Aussies coming in, they don’t spend cash on transfers in any Aussie sport and have a culture based on player development - we are going to need more than that.
Moreover, given their lack of experience we are going to need an experienced CEO to steer the ship, we don’t need more bloody incompetent rookies running the joint.
Even if these folks have experience in Aussie sports administration that doesn't mean a thing in English football - they'd be prone to getting picked off by chancers just like RD and Nightmeire were.
New owners are crucial, yes, but we also need competent and experienced club management too, we have not had that since Varney left and it's a massive problem.2 -
I have a feeling that if it is Aussie Muir, he would have done a thorough job and would be recruiting competent football people. He seems like a genuine enough bloke and can certainly run a business well catering for non business based customers. If its him, I think we will be fine. I have a feeling we will see a lot of talented young Aussie players heading to Sparrows Lane, assuming its the Aussie.....still nothing being said here, I've been trolling the internet on Australian sites and nothing.....other than last years old posts.6
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Elated if this is Aussie Muir. He was my first choice among those mentioned in the running. A class act all the way around, from everything I have read. And has a lot of money.
Sold The Good Guys for $870M and is in process of selling real estate worth $130M. The key about all this is it is not money in stock or some private business. It is CASH. I bet few owners anywhere below the PL have that kind of cash wealth at hand.
The first thing that pops on his personal website is about... giving back to the community. If this is him, I think we have someone who will care.
http://www.andrewmuir.com.au/personal/
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The group might not ALL be Australian people!Ormiston Addick said:
AFAIK no Aussies have ever been involved in English professional football at a senior exec (MD/CEO) level and there have certainly not been any Aussie owners.supaclive said:
You have NO idea if the group has a lack of experience! Just because Muir is an Aussie, it doesn't mean the rest of them are! However, I genuinely don't know the answer to that point!Ormiston Addick said:
If things are done properly, correct.American_Addick said:
If they did due diligence, which they would, there should be no surprses.Ormiston Addick said:If it IS an Aussie consortium then they are going to find the $$$ involved in English football a real eye-opener.
Both main Aussie codes - AFL and NRL - have strict salary caps in place with AFL set at $12 million and NRL set at $7 million.
From an AFL perspective you have clubs that regularly get 50,000+ crowds yet only around six players - basically the absolute superstars - earn $1 million per year in AFL - nobody earns that in NRL - and the average AFL squad player brings in around $400,000.
They are going to get a nasty shock when they find out that a middling English club in the Championship needs to pay average players around $1 million (UK550,000) per year as an average wage - if you want the better players then you need even more than that.
That's before you even talk about transfer fees which do not exist in Australian sport at all - that could be the biggest eye-opener of all.
The main issue is that in recent years we have seen untold clowns come into English football like the Venkys and Vincent Tan who did not have a clue what they were getting into.
Even if they ARE aware of the levels of cash involved it doesn’t mean they will cough them up, they may, like Roland, look for short cuts.
I am wary about the Aussies coming in, they don’t spend cash on transfers in any Aussie sport and have a culture based on player development - we are going to need more than that.
Moreover, given their lack of experience we are going to need an experienced CEO to steer the ship, we don’t need more bloody incompetent rookies running the joint.
Even if these folks have experience in Aussie sports administration that doesn't mean a thing in English football - they'd be prone to getting picked off by chancers just like RD and Nightmeire were.
New owners are crucial, yes, but we also need competent and experienced club management too, we have not had that since Varney left and it's a massive problem.
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If this is Aussie Muir, he typically likes to manage with partners. He is not an autocrat.Ormiston Addick said:
New owners are crucial, yes, but we also need competent and experienced club management too, we have not had that since Varney left and it's a massive problem.2 -
Are you therefore suggesting some maybe kangaroos, wallabies or even bush babies?supaclive said:
The group might not ALL be Australian people!Ormiston Addick said:
AFAIK no Aussies have ever been involved in English professional football at a senior exec (MD/CEO) level and there have certainly not been any Aussie owners.supaclive said:
You have NO idea if the group has a lack of experience! Just because Muir is an Aussie, it doesn't mean the rest of them are! However, I genuinely don't know the answer to that point!Ormiston Addick said:
If things are done properly, correct.American_Addick said:
If they did due diligence, which they would, there should be no surprses.Ormiston Addick said:If it IS an Aussie consortium then they are going to find the $$$ involved in English football a real eye-opener.
Both main Aussie codes - AFL and NRL - have strict salary caps in place with AFL set at $12 million and NRL set at $7 million.
From an AFL perspective you have clubs that regularly get 50,000+ crowds yet only around six players - basically the absolute superstars - earn $1 million per year in AFL - nobody earns that in NRL - and the average AFL squad player brings in around $400,000.
They are going to get a nasty shock when they find out that a middling English club in the Championship needs to pay average players around $1 million (UK550,000) per year as an average wage - if you want the better players then you need even more than that.
That's before you even talk about transfer fees which do not exist in Australian sport at all - that could be the biggest eye-opener of all.
The main issue is that in recent years we have seen untold clowns come into English football like the Venkys and Vincent Tan who did not have a clue what they were getting into.
Even if they ARE aware of the levels of cash involved it doesn’t mean they will cough them up, they may, like Roland, look for short cuts.
I am wary about the Aussies coming in, they don’t spend cash on transfers in any Aussie sport and have a culture based on player development - we are going to need more than that.
Moreover, given their lack of experience we are going to need an experienced CEO to steer the ship, we don’t need more bloody incompetent rookies running the joint.
Even if these folks have experience in Aussie sports administration that doesn't mean a thing in English football - they'd be prone to getting picked off by chancers just like RD and Nightmeire were.
New owners are crucial, yes, but we also need competent and experienced club management too, we have not had that since Varney left and it's a massive problem.6 -
SoundAsa£ said:
Are you therefore suggesting some maybe kangaroos, wallabies or even bush babies?
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Im informed that this little fella is part of the consortium......his name is Junior Red4
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On my commute to work yesterday morning I was looking at cl on my phone and just before the train got to sevenoaks I looked out of the window and I am certain I saw a kangaroo...its an omen I 'll tell ye0
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The Hildenborough Hopper2
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A mate of mine has been in touch with Andrew Muir's Comms company and actually spoke to a Ms Smith...in fact she called him back which I thought was a nice touch. She said that Andrew doesnt have anything to share at the moment, but will give him a call back if anything changes.10
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Come on guys.
We’re celebrating 100 years of women being able to vote and still they are being degraded on here.
I’m appalled that some are still titilated at the sight of a woman feeding the pony.
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Reassuring to know that our great club is worth the same as Gylfi Sigurdsson!0
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Would be a bit weird if 10,000 people followed him around telling him he’s shit while 11 blokes played football on him. I reckon the better deal is for the teamChris_from_Sidcup said:Reassuring to know that our great club is worth the same as Gylfi Sigurdsson!
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From Sydney - local contact - 'no information to share' - read into that what you want.
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Is there still time for a final 'if I sold my house...' analogy ?11
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I agree - Did it quickly and it is too busy.Henry Irving said:0 -
I wouldn't be surprised if there were players now or in our very recent past on around $1M AUD at Charlton.Ormiston Addick said:If it IS an Aussie consortium then they are going to find the $$$ involved in English football a real eye-opener.
Both main Aussie codes - AFL and NRL - have strict salary caps in place with AFL set at $12 million and NRL set at $7 million.
From an AFL perspective you have clubs that regularly get 50,000+ crowds yet only around six players - basically the absolute superstars - earn $1 million per year in AFL - nobody earns that in NRL - and the average AFL squad player brings in around $400,000.
They are going to get a nasty shock when they find out that a middling English club in the Championship needs to pay average players around $1 million (UK550,000) per year as an average wage - if you want the better players then you need even more than that.
That's before you even talk about transfer fees which do not exist in Australian sport at all - that could be the biggest eye-opener of all.
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When Roland's out and the dust settles....we really really need to push for promotion. Sneaking a playoff place is fine by me.
Win win win win. Don't stop winning1 -
Good idea though.MuttleyCAFC said:
I agree - Did it quickly and it is too busy.Henry Irving said:
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people seem to have forgotten that the very same thing was done after the return to the Valley.
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Has no information?dicktracey said:From Sydney - local contact - 'no information to share' - read into that what you want.
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