New owners are crucial, yes, but we also need competent and experienced club management too, we have not had that since Varney left and it's a massive problem.
If this is Aussie Muir, he typically likes to manage with partners. He is not an autocrat.
It will be great, if he has successfully worked in a partnership style elsewhere. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that in UK football it works best when there is one strong leader in the boardroom (with the shareholding to back it ideally). Palace had that in Steve Parish, now suddenly they don't, with the Americans buying an almost equal share, and it's all gone pear. I think you can trace a similar story at Charlton. During our relentless rise, Murray called the shots in the boardroom. Then came the time when Murray had to share the reins with Derek Chappell (possibly because Murray had made mistakes). That was a weird time when the decline started, and relatively little has been written about it, even by @Airman Brown. Another absolutely prime example would be to compare Spurs with Arsenal.
But if he knows how to make partnership work, as it frequently does in normal business, it will be fine. And of course the current nutter was the 95% shareholder.
It’s quite bonkers to suggest things went wrong at Charlton when RM ceased to dominate decision-making and thereby blame those who belatedly sought to rein him in. Leaving aside the merits of individuals the timeline is all wrong, because Murray was removed as plc chairman in January 2008 - “possible mistakes” doesn’t begin to cover what had happened in the previous 18 months. Neither did “the decline” start in January 2008 on any plausible reading of events.
Did Curbs not ask for a year and RM said if you wont sign two years you have to leave now? Silly, silly man!
All went down the pan from when Parker left....beating Chelsea 4-2 was the high point on 'that' boxing day.
I added a flag with the date of the march (Unity Protest) under the CARD logo.
Obviously, I'm no kind of design genius, and I recognise that everyone would want to avoid unneccessary clutter, but I'd love to see something supporting those clubs whose fans supported us along the bottom (e.g. an Oyston Out message for Blackpool).
Very good shout, Blackpool, Brighton ...
The football family shared our pain as we have shared others' pain in the past. Proof if it is needed that football is about fans.
And a messaged condemning the Sheff Utd fans who spat on the taxi as it made its approach to the ground and took the piss all game.
I think you should be Seth, when you got through the locked Valley gates when Roly was in town one morning, "wanting to see your brick" So can we have a brick on there as well?
As I was catching up on all this whilst waiting at the lights at the junction of Oxford St & Tottenham Ct Rd, a band of buskers were playing Down Under ! Now don't tell me that is not an omen
As I was catching up on all this whilst waiting at the lights at the junction of Oxford St & Tottenham Ct Rd, a band of buskers were playing Down Under ! Now don't tell me that is not an omen
New owners are crucial, yes, but we also need competent and experienced club management too, we have not had that since Varney left and it's a massive problem.
If this is Aussie Muir, he typically likes to manage with partners. He is not an autocrat.
It will be great, if he has successfully worked in a partnership style elsewhere. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that in UK football it works best when there is one strong leader in the boardroom (with the shareholding to back it ideally). Palace had that in Steve Parish, now suddenly they don't, with the Americans buying an almost equal share, and it's all gone pear. I think you can trace a similar story at Charlton. During our relentless rise, Murray called the shots in the boardroom. Then came the time when Murray had to share the reins with Derek Chappell (possibly because Murray had made mistakes). That was a weird time when the decline started, and relatively little has been written about it, even by @Airman Brown. Another absolutely prime example would be to compare Spurs with Arsenal.
But if he knows how to make partnership work, as it frequently does in normal business, it will be fine. And of course the current nutter was the 95% shareholder.
It’s quite bonkers to suggest things went wrong at Charlton when RM ceased to dominate decision-making and thereby blame those who belatedly sought to rein him in. Leaving aside the merits of individuals the timeline is all wrong, because Murray was removed as plc chairman in January 2008 - “possible mistakes” doesn’t begin to cover what had happened in the previous 18 months. Neither did “the decline” start in January 2008 on any plausible reading of events.
Did Curbs not ask for a year and RM said if you wont sign two years you have to leave now? Silly, silly man!
No I don't think he asked for a year but he had a year left on his contract & he wouldn't sign a new one. He told Murray he would be leaving & it was felt better if he went at the end of the current season. In hindsight maybe a mistake but at the time fairly reasonable. If Curbishley was looking at players to sign presumably they would want to come because they liked what AC had to say. If he was saying come & sign a three year deal but I'm off in 12 months time would they still sign ?
Maybe abandon the banner and make a massive mural on the side of a house. Can you include me holding up my North Korea flag in front of the directors box.
As I was catching up on all this whilst waiting at the lights at the junction of Oxford St & Tottenham Ct Rd, a band of buskers were playing Down Under ! Now don't tell me that is not an omen
That's nothing, just passed this along Charlton Church Lane:
Sorry to put a downer on all your enthusiasm but am I the only one who is still a bit apprehensive to the news announced yesterday?
Apart form 3 or 4 tweeted messages suggesting we have a "done deal" we have nothing else to go on apart from what we have always had in this thread i.e. speculation, jokes and piss taking.
Surely if a deal was "done" yesterday, by that I mean a hand shake between all parties then we would have heard more. As with all deals like this nobody is interested when the lawyers get the paperwork signed, all we what we want to see is the new owner with a Charlton scarf round his neck.
I am sure a lot of us have heard of, or experienced the sale of a house falling through on the day the new buyer was supposed to move in or a business deal collapsing at the last minute.
I get the feeling we are not as close as some people think and looking at the excitement those tweets have generated on here some people seem to be getting ahead of themselves.
I hope I am way off the mark and scarfy is paraded soon, however as a boycotter I refuse to consider what game I will be attending next until the sale of the club is signed, sealed and the new owner has revealed him/herself.
Taxi added - busy but sort of refelects the story of the past few years.
A much more manageable shape to parade than your original square idea.
What about moving the protest shirt "badge", ball, pig, and coffin symbols to the 4 corners? Then the flag and taxi could be enlarged to balance the design. If we want to acknowledge the support of other clubs, is there room to make the slogan into something like WITH FANS UNITED, WE GOT ROLAND OUT - which could refer to both the overwhelming support of Addicks, and support from the wider football world?
Sorry to put a downer on all your enthusiasm but am I the only one who is still a bit apprehensive to the news announced yesterday?
Apart form 3 or 4 tweeted messages suggesting we have a "done deal" we have nothing else to go on apart from what we have always had in this thread i.e. speculation, jokes and piss taking.
Surely if a deal was "done" yesterday, by that I mean a hand shake between all parties then we would have heard more. As with all deals like this nobody is interested when the lawyers get the paperwork signed, all we what we want to see is the new owner with a Charlton scarf round his neck.
I am sure a lot of us have heard of, or experienced the sale of a house falling through on the day the new buyer was supposed to move in or a business deal collapsing at the last minute.
I get the feeling we are not as close as some people think and looking at the excitement those tweets have generated on here some people seem to be getting ahead of themselves.
I hope I am way off the mark and scarfy is paraded soon, however as a boycotter I refuse to consider what game I will be attending next until the sale of the club is signed, sealed and the new owner has revealed him/herself.
I think there is more than just "speculation, jokes and piss taking" given the source and what Murray has been saying.
But I agree with that it's not done until it is all signed off and money changes hands.
Taxi added - busy but sort of refelects the story of the past few years.
A much more manageable shape to parade than your original square idea.
What about moving the protest shirt "badge", ball, pig, and coffin symbols to the 4 corners? Then the flag and taxi could be enlarged to balance the design. If we want to acknowledge the support of other clubs, is there room to make the slogan into something like WITH FANS UNITED, WE GOT ROLAND OUT - which could refer to both the overwhelming support of Addicks, and support from the wider football world?
the taxi is as large as I can get it without it becoming pixelated.
Sorry to put a downer on all your enthusiasm but am I the only one who is still a bit apprehensive to the news announced yesterday?
Apart form 3 or 4 tweeted messages suggesting we have a "done deal" we have nothing else to go on apart from what we have always had in this thread i.e. speculation, jokes and piss taking.
Surely if a deal was "done" yesterday, by that I mean a hand shake between all parties then we would have heard more. As with all deals like this nobody is interested when the lawyers get the paperwork signed, all we what we want to see is the new owner with a Charlton scarf round his neck.
I am sure a lot of us have heard of, or experienced the sale of a house falling through on the day the new buyer was supposed to move in or a business deal collapsing at the last minute.
I get the feeling we are not as close as some people think and looking at the excitement those tweets have generated on here some people seem to be getting ahead of themselves.
I hope I am way off the mark and scarfy is paraded soon, however as a boycotter I refuse to consider what game I will be attending next until the sale of the club is signed, sealed and the new owner has revealed him/herself.
From his desire to act on Australia’s growing obesity program, Andrew Muir established The Good Foundation, a not-for-profit organisation that develops and runs programs and projects that promote good health and nutrition and with the assistance of The Good Guys, brought Jamie’s Ministry of Food to Australia.
Vol-au-vents are off the menu!
Clear soup ( hot water with a dash of lemon) accompanied by Ryvita - starter.
Braised lettuce on a bed of lettuce leaves, cucumber gravy with a reduced celery dressing - main course
Unsweetened water ice with a hint of melon - dessert.
Green tea to round off the gourmet meal.
POTY menu for those that are interested .....
( Might be worth keeping Sunday 6th May free.......More later)
Sorry to put a downer on all your enthusiasm but am I the only one who is still a bit apprehensive to the news announced yesterday?
Apart form 3 or 4 tweeted messages suggesting we have a "done deal" we have nothing else to go on apart from what we have always had in this thread i.e. speculation, jokes and piss taking.
Surely if a deal was "done" yesterday, by that I mean a hand shake between all parties then we would have heard more. As with all deals like this nobody is interested when the lawyers get the paperwork signed, all we what we want to see is the new owner with a Charlton scarf round his neck.
I am sure a lot of us have heard of, or experienced the sale of a house falling through on the day the new buyer was supposed to move in or a business deal collapsing at the last minute.
I get the feeling we are not as close as some people think and looking at the excitement those tweets have generated on here some people seem to be getting ahead of themselves.
I hope I am way off the mark and scarfy is paraded soon, however as a boycotter I refuse to consider what game I will be attending next until the sale of the club is signed, sealed and the new owner has revealed him/herself.
In any event the FL have to approve the deal. You could argue it isn't done until that has happened but what I am taking about is the point at which a buyer and seller reach agreement. We have not been here before.
One insurance against the deal failing to reach completion is that there are clearly two potential buyers here and consequently I don't think there's much chance of both walking away/falling through.
From his desire to act on Australia’s growing obesity program, Andrew Muir established The Good Foundation, a not-for-profit organisation that develops and runs programs and projects that promote good health and nutrition and with the assistance of The Good Guys, brought Jamie’s Ministry of Food to Australia.
Vol-au-vents are off the menu!
And chips but looking forward to the avocado wraps and decent coffee.
From his desire to act on Australia’s growing obesity program, Andrew Muir established The Good Foundation, a not-for-profit organisation that develops and runs programs and projects that promote good health and nutrition and with the assistance of The Good Guys, brought Jamie’s Ministry of Food to Australia.
Vol-au-vents are off the menu!
Clear soup ( hot water with a dash of lemon) accompanied by Ryvita - starter.
Braised lettuce on a bed of lettuce leaves, cucumber gravy with a reduced celery dressing - main course
Unsweetened water ice with a hint of melon - dessert.
Green tea to round off the gourmet meal.
POTY menu for those that are interested .....
( Might be worth keeping Sunday 6th May free.......More later)
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So can we have a brick on there as well?
Now don't tell me that is not an omen
Apart form 3 or 4 tweeted messages suggesting we have a "done deal" we have nothing else to go on apart from what we have always had in this thread i.e. speculation, jokes and piss taking.
Surely if a deal was "done" yesterday, by that I mean a hand shake between all parties then we would have heard more. As with all deals like this nobody is interested when the lawyers get the paperwork signed, all we what we want to see is the new owner with a Charlton scarf round his neck.
I am sure a lot of us have heard of, or experienced the sale of a house falling through on the day the new buyer was supposed to move in or a business deal collapsing at the last minute.
I get the feeling we are not as close as some people think and looking at the excitement those tweets have generated on here some people seem to be getting ahead of themselves.
I hope I am way off the mark and scarfy is paraded soon, however as a boycotter I refuse to consider what game I will be attending next until the sale of the club is signed, sealed and the new owner has revealed him/herself.
What about moving the protest shirt "badge", ball, pig, and coffin symbols to the 4 corners? Then the flag and taxi could be enlarged to balance the design.
If we want to acknowledge the support of other clubs, is there room to make the slogan into something like WITH FANS UNITED, WE GOT ROLAND OUT - which could refer to both the overwhelming support of Addicks, and support from the wider football world?
But I agree with that it's not done until it is all signed off and money changes hands.
WIOTOS
Braised lettuce on a bed of lettuce leaves, cucumber gravy with a reduced celery dressing - main course
Unsweetened water ice with a hint of melon - dessert.
Green tea to round off the gourmet meal.
POTY menu for those that are interested .....
( Might be worth keeping Sunday 6th May free.......More later)
One insurance against the deal failing to reach completion is that there are clearly two potential buyers here and consequently I don't think there's much chance of both walking away/falling through.