This is the sole reason why I didnt boycott - After five years of having something else to do I probably wouldnt so didnt want to run the risk
Never understand it and never will, you support the club through thick and thin regardless. How a billionaire will lose sleep over someone’s 250 quid escapes me.Lets be honest he dug his heels in for five years
True but they've equally stood by something they believe in and you could argue that by boycotting they've helped speed up the sale - Roland is so rich that £250 dont matter if he receives it or not but he's gotten rich by making every penny he can so will always appreciate every penny he gets!!
But can you get moments back in life by being stubborn. ? He must have done something right life to get the wealth he has,let’s be honest people were doing cartwheels when he bought us and found out his wealth.
They've not really missed any moments under Roland have they though? - Maybe getting to see a future England star in Defence
End of the day he'd still have reason to be here if he was getting good attendances; with those figures going down it highlighted his failures (like what Muttley mentions) and eventually made him realise there wasnt any reward out of owning us so decided amongst other factors to give up
If you see an owner who you believe is destroying the club you love, it is hard to put money in his pocket. Yes, he may not lose any sleep over your money, but it does have a collective power in reminding him what a failure he is amongst other things. And this may or may not help him decide it isn't worth it in the end.
He never about us before he bought us, got a weekly or monthly report as all owners would from the CEO or MD. Looks at the bottom line every six months not the attendances. At least he has openly put his hands up in open forum and admitted mistakes were made, and I am sure even those who hate him the most he has bank rolled the club and has taken nothing out just kept it afloat as any owner of a football club would have done.
What moments - relegation? There are people in life that let people sh*t on them beacuse they can't do anything to stop it and people who stand up and say I'm not having it. The first category are the Sue Parkes of this world and the second try to do what they think is right. If the world was full of these people, kids would still be sent up chimneys! I have been a boycotter, but a rubbish one. I still go to most games although I have stopped buying a season ticket and try not to buy anything from the club outside of a ticket. I admire those that feel strongly enough to force themselves not to go and have a stronger resolve than me.
Personally, I think it is important that some people continued to go and some boycotted. I liken it to our Sellout days. The club needed the few supporters that followed them there, of which I was one, and equally it needed those that were never going to accept that move. At the time I felt it was only damaging the club to boycott, but had they not boycotted, I doubt we would have had the memorable years we did back at the Valley.
This is the sole reason why I didnt boycott - After five years of having something else to do I probably wouldnt so didnt want to run the risk
Never understand it and never will, you support the club through thick and thin regardless. How a billionaire will lose sleep over someone’s 250 quid escapes me.Lets be honest he dug his heels in for five years
Because the thing that the mega rich hate more than anything else is...losing money. And for every boycotted made that number larger and larger until he realised he had to go sooner rather than later. As he was miles away, we were a huge red number on a sheet of paper to him.
4 boycotters here who will return the moment he has gone, still going away and all booked for Shrewsbury, lets hope a trip to the Valley is not far away, I will never forgive Duchatalet for the last few years.
If you see an owner who you believe is destroying the club you love, it is hard to put money in his pocket. Yes, he may not lose any sleep over your money, but it does have a collective power in reminding him what a failure he is amongst other things. And this may or may not help him decide it isn't worth it in the end.
He never about us before he bought us, got a weekly or monthly report as all owners would from the CEO or MD. Looks at the bottom line every six months not the attendances. At least he has openly put his hands up in open forum and admitted mistakes were made, and I am sure even those who hate him the most he has bank rolled the club and has taken nothing out just kept it afloat as any owner of a football club would have done.
Out of genuine curiosity... If he doesnt care about the £250 from the boycotts why do you think he's called it quits?
Protests damaging his "image"? | Losing too much money regardless? | Just doesnt care anymore? | All three?
If you see an owner who you believe is destroying the club you love, it is hard to put money in his pocket. Yes, he may not lose any sleep over your money, but it does have a collective power in reminding him what a failure he is amongst other things. And this may or may not help him decide it isn't worth it in the end.
He never about us before he bought us, got a weekly or monthly report as all owners would from the CEO or MD. Looks at the bottom line every six months not the attendances. At least he has openly put his hands up in open forum and admitted mistakes were made, and I am sure even those who hate him the most he has bank rolled the club and has taken nothing out just kept it afloat as any owner of a football club would have done.
Out of genuine curiosity... If he doesnt care about the £250 from the boycotts why do you think he's called it quits?
Protests damaging his "image"? | Losing too much money regardless? | Just doesnt care anymore? | All three?
If you want to break the camel's back with straw you have to keep piling it on and hope you ultimately have enough. You don't say, what's the point!
If you see an owner who you believe is destroying the club you love, it is hard to put money in his pocket. Yes, he may not lose any sleep over your money, but it does have a collective power in reminding him what a failure he is amongst other things. And this may or may not help him decide it isn't worth it in the end.
He never about us before he bought us, got a weekly or monthly report as all owners would from the CEO or MD. Looks at the bottom line every six months not the attendances. At least he has openly put his hands up in open forum and admitted mistakes were made, and I am sure even those who hate him the most he has bank rolled the club and has taken nothing out just kept it afloat as any owner of a football club would have done.
Jesus Christ, what planet are you on? He's bank rolled the club because it would go into administration if he didn't continue to keep us afloat and then he'd lose everything he'd put into it.
As for admitting mistakes, I've read that he acknowledges he shouldn't have got involved in football, still waiting for him to admit that emailing tactical advice to a former England international was a bad idea, as were virtually all of his signings, his choice of CEO, his chief scout, his managers, etc, etc, etc. Still waiting for the apology for damaging, perhaps irreparably, a 100 plus year old football club. Definitely wasn't aware that an "open forum" had taken place - I'd have been there like a shot of I'd known about it.
5 years of failure and destruction and there's still people excusing him, unbelievable.
If you see an owner who you believe is destroying the club you love, it is hard to put money in his pocket. Yes, he may not lose any sleep over your money, but it does have a collective power in reminding him what a failure he is amongst other things. And this may or may not help him decide it isn't worth it in the end.
He never about us before he bought us, got a weekly or monthly report as all owners would from the CEO or MD. Looks at the bottom line every six months not the attendances. At least he has openly put his hands up in open forum and admitted mistakes were made, and I am sure even those who hate him the most he has bank rolled the club and has taken nothing out just kept it afloat as any owner of a football club would have done.
Out of genuine curiosity... If he doesnt care about the £250 from the boycotts why do you think he's called it quits?
Protests damaging his "image"? | Losing too much money regardless? | Just doesnt care anymore? | All three?
Let’s be honest, we all hoped it would force him out a long time ago. Personally don’t think he cared too much about the money, maybe a bit about his image. Think he has had enough for well over a year, but was too stupid to realise his asking price was ridiculously high.
What moments - relegation? There are people in life that let people sh*t on them beacuse they can't do anything to stop it and people who stand up and say I'm not having it. The first category are the Sure Parkes of this world and the second try to do what they think is right. I have been a boycotter, but a rubbish one. I still go to most games although I have stopped buying a season ticket and try not to buy anything from the club outside of a ticket. I admire those that feel strongly enough to force themselves not to go and have a stronger resolve than me.
Personally, I think it is important that some people continued to go and some boycotted. I liken it to our Sellout days. The club needed the few supporters that followed them there, of which I was one, and equally it needed those that were never going to accept that move. At the time I felt it was only damaging the club to boycott, but had they not boycotted, I doubt we would have had the memorable years we did.
Charlton have always been a club that have been in relegation dogfights and eventually it catches up,with you. We had a good time of it in the mid 2000’s for several years, but where are them fans now on a Saturday afternoon. ?Half of them went well before he took over. Things that will always stick in my throat was when so called protesters slagged off me and my son for daring to go into the club shop and buy the new top for him as well as a well known poster on here who wanted to call me out as well question my support when he didn’t know my circumstances. Regards to Sue Parkes she should he kept her mouth shout, but let’s be honest she was and still is publicly humiliated, she is a woman in her 60’s and to be honest if someone said that about my missus I would hit the roof. Personally her husband has done a fantastic job for the club and every manager always speak highly of him.
If/when it does happen I’m most looking forward to/hoping we can as a fan base put any differences we may have had over the time RD was here to one side and become one again. Don’t get me wrong, I know there has been a lot of bad blood between us over protests, Murray and a whole host of other things. Things have gotten personal and some have good reason to feel aggrieved. I just hope we can remember that the club had its best years under a stable setup and growing up very much as a child of Curbs, I felt the unity and strength of our fan base played a huge role in that.
I know we as a club have recovered from far worse, and I’ll admit I’m too young to remember the gut wrenching departure from the Valley and the hard, hard plight many of you fought so for to get us back to the Valley. I hope that that spirit comes cascading through in abundance when he’s gone and there’s no more division or animosity over those who were pro Roland, this forum, other forums, who was in the know or whatever. Just one fanbase, one club, one joy of following our boys home and away come rain or shine
If you see an owner who you believe is destroying the club you love, it is hard to put money in his pocket. Yes, he may not lose any sleep over your money, but it does have a collective power in reminding him what a failure he is amongst other things. And this may or may not help him decide it isn't worth it in the end.
He never about us before he bought us, got a weekly or monthly report as all owners would from the CEO or MD. Looks at the bottom line every six months not the attendances. At least he has openly put his hands up in open forum and admitted mistakes were made, and I am sure even those who hate him the most he has bank rolled the club and has taken nothing out just kept it afloat as any owner of a football club would have done.
Out of genuine curiosity... If he doesnt care about the £250 from the boycotts why do you think he's called it quits?
Protests damaging his "image"? | Losing too much money regardless? | Just doesnt care anymore? | All three?
Let’s be honest, we all hoped it would force him out a long time ago. Personally don’t think he cared too much about the money, maybe a bit about his image. Think he has had enough for well over a year, but was too stupid to realise his asking price was ridiculously high.
You have to raise the question though
If protests / boycotts didnt happen then would he be happy continuing as he is, especially as our Academy isnt slowing down with Morgan etc. coming through
Whilst it didnt happen as quickly as many would have hoped; the protests / boycotts still played a big part in getting us where we are now
If you see an owner who you believe is destroying the club you love, it is hard to put money in his pocket. Yes, he may not lose any sleep over your money, but it does have a collective power in reminding him what a failure he is amongst other things. And this may or may not help him decide it isn't worth it in the end.
He never about us before he bought us, got a weekly or monthly report as all owners would from the CEO or MD. Looks at the bottom line every six months not the attendances. At least he has openly put his hands up in open forum and admitted mistakes were made, and I am sure even those who hate him the most he has bank rolled the club and has taken nothing out just kept it afloat as any owner of a football club would have done.
Out of genuine curiosity... If he doesnt care about the £250 from the boycotts why do you think he's called it quits?
Protests damaging his "image"? | Losing too much money regardless? | Just doesnt care anymore? | All three?
How much do you think he has lost over the years? He is a billionaire he sells when he wants not when people tell him. It doesn’t surprise me he has elected to do so now as he is proving to those who have orchestrated the demos etc that does not work with him.
If you see an owner who you believe is destroying the club you love, it is hard to put money in his pocket. Yes, he may not lose any sleep over your money, but it does have a collective power in reminding him what a failure he is amongst other things. And this may or may not help him decide it isn't worth it in the end.
He never about us before he bought us, got a weekly or monthly report as all owners would from the CEO or MD. Looks at the bottom line every six months not the attendances. At least he has openly put his hands up in open forum and admitted mistakes were made, and I am sure even those who hate him the most he has bank rolled the club and has taken nothing out just kept it afloat as any owner of a football club would have done.
Out of genuine curiosity... If he doesnt care about the £250 from the boycotts why do you think he's called it quits?
Protests damaging his "image"? | Losing too much money regardless? | Just doesnt care anymore? | All three?
Let’s be honest, we all hoped it would force him out a long time ago. Personally don’t think he cared too much about the money, maybe a bit about his image. Think he has had enough for well over a year, but was too stupid to realise his asking price was ridiculously high.
You have to raise the question though
If protests / boycotts didnt happen then would he be happy continuing as he is, especially as our Academy isnt slowing down with Morgan etc. coming through
Whilst it didnt happen as quickly as many would have hoped; the protests / boycotts still played a big part in getting us where we are now
Yes I would probably agree with that. And to be honest, when he goes I am not going to be particularly bothered, if will be the end of a terrible time and will be a time we should move forward and get excited at last.
This is the sole reason why I didnt boycott - After five years of having something else to do I probably wouldnt so didnt want to run the risk
Never understand it and never will, you support the club through thick and thin regardless. How a billionaire will lose sleep over someone’s 250 quid escapes me.Lets be honest he dug his heels in for five years
True but they've equally stood by something they believe in and you could argue that by boycotting they've helped speed up the sale - Roland is so rich that £250 dont matter if he receives it or not but he's gotten rich by making every penny he can so will always appreciate every penny he gets!!
But can you get moments back in life by being stubborn. ? He must have done something right life to get the wealth he has,let’s be honest people were doing cartwheels when he bought us and found out his wealth.
They've not really missed any moments under Roland have they though? - Maybe getting to see a future England star in Defence
End of the day he'd still have reason to be here if he was getting good attendances; with those figures going down it highlighted his failures (like what Muttley mentions) and eventually made him realise there wasnt any reward out of owning us so decided amongst other factors to give up
I enjoyed JBG, Buyens, Tony Watt in the last few minutes when he took liberties, Jose Riga, bringing Bowyer in, back end of last season, this season has seen of the best football in years, as well as watching a hard working spirited team, but then there are other things in life that are totally out of our control and you realise life is to short. Look at Newcastle and the arse that owns them, what do there fans do?
This is the sole reason why I didnt boycott - After five years of having something else to do I probably wouldnt so didnt want to run the risk
Never understand it and never will, you support the club through thick and thin regardless. How a billionaire will lose sleep over someone’s 250 quid escapes me.Lets be honest he dug his heels in for five years
True but they've equally stood by something they believe in and you could argue that by boycotting they've helped speed up the sale - Roland is so rich that £250 dont matter if he receives it or not but he's gotten rich by making every penny he can so will always appreciate every penny he gets!!
But can you get moments back in life by being stubborn. ? He must have done something right life to get the wealth he has,let’s be honest people were doing cartwheels when he bought us and found out his wealth.
They've not really missed any moments under Roland have they though? - Maybe getting to see a future England star in Defence
End of the day he'd still have reason to be here if he was getting good attendances; with those figures going down it highlighted his failures (like what Muttley mentions) and eventually made him realise there wasnt any reward out of owning us so decided amongst other factors to give up
I enjoyed JBG, Buyens, Tony Watt in the last few minutes when he took liberties, Jose Riga, bringing Bowyer in, back end of last season, this season has seen of the best football in years
I'd agree to that in some content... We have seen some very enjoyable football but at the same time there has been an equal amount of bad football i.e. you've got to remember the time under Karel Fraeye as being one of those where Stephen Henderson especially was forced to do that interview after the Huddersfield game when no player should have been put into that situation
Yet as Muttley said, with those good moments came a relegation, and nor did win promotion at any point so those seasons will slowly blur together as the years pass
If you see an owner who you believe is destroying the club you love, it is hard to put money in his pocket. Yes, he may not lose any sleep over your money, but it does have a collective power in reminding him what a failure he is amongst other things. And this may or may not help him decide it isn't worth it in the end.
He never about us before he bought us, got a weekly or monthly report as all owners would from the CEO or MD. Looks at the bottom line every six months not the attendances. At least he has openly put his hands up in open forum and admitted mistakes were made, and I am sure even those who hate him the most he has bank rolled the club and has taken nothing out just kept it afloat as any owner of a football club would have done.
Jesus Christ, what planet are you on? He's bank rolled the club because it would go into administration if he didn't continue to keep us afloat and then he'd lose everything he'd put into it.
As for admitting mistakes, I've read that he acknowledges he shouldn't have got involved in football, still waiting for him to admit that emailing tactical advice to a former England international was a bad idea, as were virtually all of his signings, his choice of CEO, his chief scout, his managers, etc, etc, etc. Still waiting for the apology for damaging, perhaps irreparably, a 100 plus year old football club. Definitely wasn't aware that an "open forum" had taken place - I'd have been there like a shot of I'd known about it.
5 years of failure and destruction and there's still people excusing him, unbelievable.
Is that the England international that fucked up tatics at Bramell Lane that would have got us to the semi finals of the FA Cup. According to some he never put anything into the club but in your own admissions you have stated he has. He has lost millions, his own fault yes, as all other football chairmen, however if you look back at my point how many will return, I put it a very small percentage.
This is the sole reason why I didnt boycott - After five years of having something else to do I probably wouldnt so didnt want to run the risk
Never understand it and never will, you support the club through thick and thin regardless. How a billionaire will lose sleep over someone’s 250 quid escapes me.Lets be honest he dug his heels in for five years
True but they've equally stood by something they believe in and you could argue that by boycotting they've helped speed up the sale - Roland is so rich that £250 dont matter if he receives it or not but he's gotten rich by making every penny he can so will always appreciate every penny he gets!!
But can you get moments back in life by being stubborn. ? He must have done something right life to get the wealth he has,let’s be honest people were doing cartwheels when he bought us and found out his wealth.
They've not really missed any moments under Roland have they though? - Maybe getting to see a future England star in Defence
End of the day he'd still have reason to be here if he was getting good attendances; with those figures going down it highlighted his failures (like what Muttley mentions) and eventually made him realise there wasnt any reward out of owning us so decided amongst other factors to give up
I enjoyed JBG, Buyens, Tony Watt in the last few minutes when he took liberties, Jose Riga, bringing Bowyer in, back end of last season, this season has seen of the best football in years, as well as watching a hard working spirited team, but then there are other things in life that are totally out of our control and you realise life is to short. Look at Newcastle and the arse that owns them, what do there fans do?
What happened, which eventually led to relegation was the squad was imbalanced every season under Duchatelet. He sort of did half of what he should have but didn't put the icing on the cake. Because of this, we got found out when a few injuries kicked in. In the season we got relegated, we actually started strongly. I recall Forest kicking the crap out of us in an early season away draw because we were too good for them. We picked up a few key injuries and the slide that led to relegation started.
The idiot appointed people who didn't know what they were doing like Miere and underpants guy and trusted them over people who did. I actually think Peeters was decent but he wasn't supported. Riga kept us up and was got rid of - probably because he wanted to do things his way and Powell was not willing to take the crap that Duchatelet demanded. He needed a yes man and when Luzon proved not to be that he found the worst manager in our history to do as he was told.
Then showing what a bunch of morons ran the club they decided they needed an English manager. No, what they needed was a good manager. They chose a manager who had been in the lower leagues for a long time but never got promoted, Why not appoint somebody at least who has shown they can get promoted. They did appoint somebody who had, and whilst he didn't have a glorious spell, at least I could see the reasoning. Bowyer was just the cheap option and we got lucky!
Throughout this, we had to put up with patronising comments from people who we knew were out of their depth. Duchatelet was a disaster and anybody who can't see that doesn't understand football.
This is the sole reason why I didnt boycott - After five years of having something else to do I probably wouldnt so didnt want to run the risk
Never understand it and never will, you support the club through thick and thin regardless. How a billionaire will lose sleep over someone’s 250 quid escapes me.Lets be honest he dug his heels in for five years
True but they've equally stood by something they believe in and you could argue that by boycotting they've helped speed up the sale - Roland is so rich that £250 dont matter if he receives it or not but he's gotten rich by making every penny he can so will always appreciate every penny he gets!!
But can you get moments back in life by being stubborn. ? He must have done something right life to get the wealth he has,let’s be honest people were doing cartwheels when he bought us and found out his wealth.
They've not really missed any moments under Roland have they though? - Maybe getting to see a future England star in Defence
End of the day he'd still have reason to be here if he was getting good attendances; with those figures going down it highlighted his failures (like what Muttley mentions) and eventually made him realise there wasnt any reward out of owning us so decided amongst other factors to give up
I enjoyed JBG, Buyens, Tony Watt in the last few minutes when he took liberties, Jose Riga, bringing Bowyer in, back end of last season, this season has seen of the best football in years
I'd agree to that in some content... We have seen some very enjoyable football but at the same time there has been an equal amount of bad football i.e. you've got to remember the time under Karel Fraeye as being one of those where Stephen Henderson especially was forced to do that interview after the Huddersfield game when no player should have been put into that situation
Yet as Muttley said, with those good moments came a relegation, and nor did win promotion at any point so those seasons will slowly blur together as the years pass
I give you Fraeye was a prick, Colchester in the cup still sends shivers down my spine. But watching the passion of Luzon, Peters scaring the shit out of managers, and bringing Bowyer in was a shrewd move.
Bowyer wasn't shrewd. It was cheap. The credit for what Bowyer has achieved goes 100% to Bowyer. Both Luzon and Peeters left the club feeling frustrated and let down. Add Powell and Riga to the list of decent mangers let down and you have to see the pattern. Duchatelet tried to find the football equivalent of Moneyball. The problem was, he did it with the naivity and incompetence that suggests his mental powers may have diminished over the years.
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End of the day he'd still have reason to be here if he was getting good attendances; with those figures going down it highlighted his failures (like what Muttley mentions) and eventually made him realise there wasnt any reward out of owning us so decided amongst other factors to give up
Personally, I think it is important that some people continued to go and some boycotted. I liken it to our Sellout days. The club needed the few supporters that followed them there, of which I was one, and equally it needed those that were never going to accept that move. At the time I felt it was only damaging the club to boycott, but had they not boycotted, I doubt we would have had the memorable years we did back at the Valley.
Protests damaging his "image"? | Losing too much money regardless? | Just doesnt care anymore? | All three?
As for admitting mistakes, I've read that he acknowledges he shouldn't have got involved in football, still waiting for him to admit that emailing tactical advice to a former England international was a bad idea, as were virtually all of his signings, his choice of CEO, his chief scout, his managers, etc, etc, etc. Still waiting for the apology for damaging, perhaps irreparably, a 100 plus year old football club. Definitely wasn't aware that an "open forum" had taken place - I'd have been there like a shot of I'd known about it.
5 years of failure and destruction and there's still people excusing him, unbelievable.
Things that will always stick in my throat was when so called protesters slagged off me and my son for daring to go into the club shop and buy the new top for him as well as a well known poster on here who wanted to call me out as well question my support when he didn’t know my circumstances.
Regards to Sue Parkes she should he kept her mouth shout, but let’s be honest she was and still is publicly humiliated, she is a woman in her 60’s and to be honest if someone said that about my missus I would hit the roof. Personally her husband has done a fantastic job for the club and every manager always speak highly of him.
I know we as a club have recovered from far worse, and I’ll admit I’m too young to remember the gut wrenching departure from the Valley and the hard, hard plight many of you fought so for to get us back to the Valley. I hope that that spirit comes cascading through in abundance when he’s gone and there’s no more division or animosity over those who were pro Roland, this forum, other forums, who was in the know or whatever. Just one fanbase, one club, one joy of following our boys home and away come rain or shine
PS gimmie, gimmie, gimmie fried chicken
If protests / boycotts didnt happen then would he be happy continuing as he is, especially as our Academy isnt slowing down with Morgan etc. coming through
Whilst it didnt happen as quickly as many would have hoped; the protests / boycotts still played a big part in getting us where we are now
Means I can shout YESSS without having to control my excitement in the Office and then laugh apologetically as it once again makes him cry
Yet as Muttley said, with those good moments came a relegation, and nor did win promotion at any point so those seasons will slowly blur together as the years pass
The idiot appointed people who didn't know what they were doing like Miere and underpants guy and trusted them over people who did. I actually think Peeters was decent but he wasn't supported. Riga kept us up and was got rid of - probably because he wanted to do things his way and Powell was not willing to take the crap that Duchatelet demanded. He needed a yes man and when Luzon proved not to be that he found the worst manager in our history to do as he was told.
Then showing what a bunch of morons ran the club they decided they needed an English manager. No, what they needed was a good manager. They chose a manager who had been in the lower leagues for a long time but never got promoted, Why not appoint somebody at least who has shown they can get promoted. They did appoint somebody who had, and whilst he didn't have a glorious spell, at least I could see the reasoning. Bowyer was just the cheap option and we got lucky!
Throughout this, we had to put up with patronising comments from people who we knew were out of their depth. Duchatelet was a disaster and anybody who can't see that doesn't understand football.