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Charlton vs Rochdale - Post Match Views - 1/10/16
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Slade "We should be all in it together", I am not in anything with you you useless ponce or your paymasters.6
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Absolute rubbish.ElfsborgAddick said:
Slade is in a no win situation.WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Mind you it was our fans moaning and booing his tactics in which prompted him to leave as he felt he took the club as far as he could.AFKABartram said:
He hinted on TV he was interested in Jan 15. They chose Guy LuzonWhenIwasLittleBoy said:Time for Curbs to rebuild the club
He hinted on TV he was interested in Oct 15. They chose Karel Fraeye
Wonder what them same fans are wishing for now?
Whilst we would all like a better squad with more quality in midfield, Slade has more than enough talent at his disposal to beat the likes of Oldham and Rochdale at home. His tactics are predictable, defensive and lacking of any real ambition or structure.7 -
The positives:
I got to spend the afternoon with my lad at my beloved football Club.
We were better today than Tuesday.
I don't have to go again for at least a few weeks.
Really felt for young Ademola near the end - the boy looked lost - shattered by the lack of quality around him.
JJ, you've been a great servant to the Club - time to hang up your boots, mate before it gets embarrassing.
We move on........
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My first game since Northampton. (Could just about stomach giving Douchbag a fiver today). I fear it maybe my last before Christmas.
What has happened to this once great club? (Rhetorical question we all know the answer). All i can say is that if anyone thinks we have reached the nadir yet, they are going to be sadly disappointed.
A few random thoughts:-
1) What the hell was Slade doing lining up 4-2-3-1 in a home game against Rochdale? Ridiculous. When he changed it far too late and brought a second forward on, we actually created a few chances.
2) Come somebody tell Lookman to stop taking the corners. Christ, it's as nonsensical as Harry Kane doing it for England in the Euros. If he carries on doing it, at least tell him to try and hit them higher than waist high.
3) Love Johnnie Jackson - one of my all time favourites. But time catches up with everyone and he was just totally inept today. Take him out of the starting line up - I don't want to remember him as this lost figure watching the game pass him by.
4) And why the hell did he take the penalty today. Said on the Oxford post match thread last week his penalty wasn't great and he was lucky to score (and got rebuked for saying that by Henry Irving!). I believe he has now missed 4 out of his last 5 penalties.
I'm really not missing going to games at the moment. I never thought in my wildest dreams I would ever say that.11 -
As said before we will struggle to win games with Crofts Foley and Jackson in midfield. They just don't have the legs to press the opposition.
Slade got it all wrong again today. I'm not sure what formation was being played, Holmes and Lookman didn't seem to know. Real lack of movement when we had the ball.
Worrying seeing some players arguing and showing their frustration at times. I predict Slade will be gone by November.
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Okay, Slade is not showing any evidence that he's a master tactician.
Fine, as long as you've got a tactically astute member of your playing management team to chip in with that job.
Slade seems to have built his career reputation as Mr Motivator.
But IMO this dysfunctional team are looking anything but motivated.
Over to you, Russell.
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Lets all get fucking real. Too many shit player's in the starting 11.fox.jackson.foley.crofts.slade hasn't got a clue picking the same shit players every week I'm done now cant watch this shit football week in week out and subs far to late1
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Just utterly depressed by the thoughts of barnet away next season0
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For all the talk at East Kent Addicks this week, explaining analytics, consolidated scouting reports on the opposition, with a PowerPoint presentation, Brussell managed to pick the wrong system, with the wrong tactics, as well as the wrong team selection. Then made the wrong substitution late on. A lower league manager making lower league mistakes.
Don't let Slade tell you it was 4-3-3. We had two central midfielders in Crofts & Ulvestad, with Holmes on the right, Lookman on the left, Jacko in the no.10 role, behind the lone CF Maginnis. 4-4-1-1 to 4-2-3-1. Rochdale were in a straightforward 4-4-2. Why not match up with them and allow our superior individuals beat their individuals in one-against-one contests across the pitch? If Rochdale caught him out by playing 4-4-2, then why not change it after twenty minutes, when it was clear to everyone in the ground that the system wasn't working? I got the impression that Nugent was agitated by the way it was going midway through the first half. However, Brussell's in-decision was final.
Bill Shankley once said "football is a simple game made complicated by idiots". Here was the perfect example.
Jacko hasn't got the legs to play the no.10 role. What a strange selection? Was it to play him in a role that allowed him the luxury of not having to run back? There was nothing positive from that selection, Jacko wasn't involved in the game, he failed to get forward in support of the lone CF and was too slow in closing down the opposition Back Four, who continuously got out of the defensive third into midfield. He spent the first half chasing shadows. When he was finally switched with Lookman, we caused them problems. Prior to that, we were awful. We then had the Holmes substitution, which was unbelievable.
Thank Christ for Lookman. He is a joy to watch and improving with every game. He would suit a Championship promotion chasing club, rather than stepping up to the Premier League. Gradual progression would be of more benefit to him than a big jump. Norwich would be a good fit. He also needs to be on the edge of the box at corners, not taking them. He has the quick feet and the shot to be able to score from those positions if a corner is half-cleared.39 -
Yep, since 20th August.ElfsborgAddick said:
Slade is in a no win situation.WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Mind you it was our fans moaning and booing his tactics in which prompted him to leave as he felt he took the club as far as he could.AFKABartram said:
He hinted on TV he was interested in Jan 15. They chose Guy LuzonWhenIwasLittleBoy said:Time for Curbs to rebuild the club
He hinted on TV he was interested in Oct 15. They chose Karel Fraeye
Wonder what them same fans are wishing for now?
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The bastards have ripped the whole core and fabric out of our club.
This was the worst performance I have ever seen from a Charlton team - totally clueless.
We're buggered.
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ThisThe_President said:The bastards have ripped the whole core and fabric out of our club.
This was the worst performance I have ever seen from a Charlton team - totally clueless.
We're buggered.0 -
seriously, whoever amongst you lot was calling for Curbishley's head back in 2006 because he "couldn't take you to the next level" should be taking a long, hard look at yourselves. Because I remember loads of you calling in to 606 and shaking my head at the folly of it all. And then taking Dowie17
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You obviously weren't there on Tuesday? We were considerably worse which is difficult to believe, I know - but true, all the same.The_President said:The bastards have ripped the whole core and fabric out of our club.
This was the worst performance I have ever seen from a Charlton team - totally clueless.
We're buggered.1 -
After reading the Jackson thread I think Crofts time is up too. Sounds harsh but I feel he's cheating his way through a game. No desire to do anything with the ball except pass a few yards, makes a bit of an effort to hassle the opposition but never makes a tackle, awful signing. I look at teams like Rochdale and Oldham and they had decent technically sound midfields that made us look crap in comparison. Do we not have players of that calibre coming through our ranks? If not why not? And if not go out and bring some in, isn't that what out new head scout was for. I have no idea who's error the lack of midfield talent this season was but it's killing us on the pitch. Don't get the love for Pearce either, think he's very average.2
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Russell Slade - More like Gurney Slade (older readers will know
what I am on about!)0 -
The move in the first half which saw Pearce make a nice pass to Fox down the left, who ran down the wing and put in a cross - to nobody, as none of our players were anywhere near the penalty area - summed up how poor our tactics were today. Where were the players busting a gut to attack the ball?
Sometimes this happens because the winger/full back is too fast for the rest of the team, but Morgan Fox?2 -
Performance reminded me of watching England.
Lots of huff and puff but ultimately tactically inept and Lookman only marginally better than Kane at corners..
Has to revert back to 4-4-2, get Tex in for Pearce when fit and drop Jackson.
Lookman is probably good enough to play anywhere in this league, so stick him in the middle.
I don't think Slade has a clue what his best team is, by the end it was so out of shape and painful to watch.
Can't wait for Millwall...3 -
I predicted a successive relegation in May and I've yet to see any reason to change my opinion........
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But, they have learnt from their mistakes, KM said so today.AFKABartram said:
He hinted on TV he was interested in Jan 15. They chose Guy LuzonWhenIwasLittleBoy said:Time for Curbs to rebuild the club
He hinted on TV he was interested in Oct 15. They chose Karel Fraeye1 -
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The only thing that might save us is the fact that there are so many bad teams in this division.tangoflash said:I predicted a successive relegation in May and I've yet to see any reason to change my opinion........
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At least we are on an upward curve !1
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That we keep losing to....superclive98 said:
The only thing that might save us is the fact that there are so many bad teams in this division.tangoflash said:I predicted a successive relegation in May and I've yet to see any reason to change my opinion........
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Russell Slade knocks back suggestion Charlton still have relegation hangover:
http://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/7262/russell-slade-knocks-back-suggest-charlton-still-relegation-hangover/
Match report:
http://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/7259/charltons-end-forgettable-week-defeat-dale/0 -
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This is the problem with football nowadays, we all know the Belgians need to p*** off, we are all very upset, but Slade needs to be given time, a lot longer than two months.IdleHans said:
No, he's in a measly two wins out of 11 situation, largely as a result of his inability to set up what should be a half decent team at this level, and to try and win rather than draw.ElfsborgAddick said:
Slade is in a no win situation.WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Mind you it was our fans moaning and booing his tactics in which prompted him to leave as he felt he took the club as far as he could.AFKABartram said:
He hinted on TV he was interested in Jan 15. They chose Guy LuzonWhenIwasLittleBoy said:Time for Curbs to rebuild the club
He hinted on TV he was interested in Oct 15. They chose Karel Fraeye
Wonder what them same fans are wishing for now?
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Turn it in Lincs, you give Slade two months, you have given the Belgians 30 months!Lincsaddick said:
he's brought in Crofts and Ulvstead .. whenever I've seen them they've been steady even though they do not make the pulse race and the spine tingle .. agreed, we urgently need a tough and pacey midfield all rounder, name me one that was available in the summer and could genuinely improve this team .. he hasn't brought in any world beaters, but only available players can be signed .. 8 potentially new first team players including Rudd .. not (as I wrote above) world beaters but good enough to make more of a mark than they have so far .. Slade is squandering what talent there is in this squadElfsborgAddick said:
Where is the midfield?Lincsaddick said:
Ajose .. proven goal scorer last season, Novak .. proven goal scorer last season, Magennis .. international albeit not a regular scorer .. Pearce .. Regular in a promotion team, Holmes .. Highly regarded member of a promotion team ..ElfsborgAddick said:
Slade has stood up to the Belgians and trousered a 3 year contract, the Belgians have f***** him over by not giving him the players.Lincsaddick said:
Slade must go .. early days I thought he might be the answer, he's not, he's a timid and tactically inept 'manager' .. potentially the playing squad midfield excepted, is decent, just mismanaged and demoralised ..AFKABartram said:
He hinted on TV he was interested in Jan 15. They chose Guy LuzonWhenIwasLittleBoy said:Time for Curbs to rebuild the club
He hinted on TV he was interested in Oct 15. They chose Karel Fraeye
I'd like to see Justin Edinburgh given the job .. don't think it will happen .. that or Back to the Future with Curbishley, one of the very few men who must surely retain some respect amongst the increasingly angry and desperate Addick fans .. alas this is unlikely to happen either .. oh that it would though .. I have no idea what will happen next .. my optimism is fast turning to stone
Slade has proved to be useless at managing decent players that have been signed as well as the few good uns still here from last year .. he needs sacking a s a p ..
I know you hate the regime with a vengeance and nothing they could ever do will change your views, but to say that Slade's not been given the players is just rubbish ..
How many times has he said players coming in?
Slade is a conservative (I nearly wrote cowardly) manager, too defensive, too intent on PR/image over tactics and positivity on the field .. his methods may have worked at Scunthorpe, Oxford and Walsall but at home ? .. having said that, look @ today's results in our division .. we need to take advantage of other team's inconsistences .. Slade is not a brave nor clever enough manager to do that .. he's gotta go
Cracking fella mate but behind a keyboard you are murder, see you at Bradford amigo.0 -
F*** it that is the knockout blow, you lot win!Oggy Red said:
Yep, since 20th August.ElfsborgAddick said:
Slade is in a no win situation.WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Mind you it was our fans moaning and booing his tactics in which prompted him to leave as he felt he took the club as far as he could.AFKABartram said:
He hinted on TV he was interested in Jan 15. They chose Guy LuzonWhenIwasLittleBoy said:Time for Curbs to rebuild the club
He hinted on TV he was interested in Oct 15. They chose Karel Fraeye
Wonder what them same fans are wishing for now?1 -
Tonight, I've managed to read all the previous posts & it's no surprise to find there is a familiar, depressing theme. Not that I expected anything less.
I never make pre match predictions but this term, more than ever, I applaud ANYONE that has the nerve to back a Charlton win. TBH, the way things are going ( downhill) I can't see another 3 points all season unless 1) The manager changes or 2) Substantial signings are made in the January window ( Beckham would be a start, even if it's Harper Seven) or 3) We have a new owner.
No guesses for the option I favour.
The departed Ben Kensell's vision of The Matchday Experience, propelled by his CEO, is a dim & distant memory although to be honest, it just wasn't "us". These days, grim faces abound as kick off approaches & the team is announced to gasps of bewilderment as, once again, Big Josh is named as the Lone Striker with no Tonto to share the burden. The midfield, depressingly predictable, elicits further groans whilst the back four, with no sign of the Invisible Man ( AKA Tex) merely receives a shrug of the shoulders. All SO predictable. The bench ? That hardly matters with the red track suited one clearly experiencing amnesia as far as his subs are concerned.
It doesn't improve when the reason behind all this doom & gloom begins. And whilst I have no wish to single out anyone in particular, for the 2nd match running, it was evident that our Captain Courageous is no longer at the races....difficult for me to admit but sadly true. Of course, he can still be a huge influence off the pitch, if the gaffer will allow him to do so, in the mould of Andy Hughes.Certainly not time to write him off yet.
There's little point in highlighting any specific aspect of the match as that would indicate there was one. Maybe I'm becoming adept at zoning out in my old age - I definitely don't feel the highs & lows any longer but that's probably a reflection of my lowered expectations where my club is concerned. How sad that it has come to this.
So, just 3 things to keep Fanny sane until one of the strongest teams in the league comes to the Big Top....
Our autumn week in Tenareef, the postponement of our ritual humiliation at the New Den and the strong rumour that a certain Russian billionaire is moving to a "modest pad" in sleepy Wadhurst......Drones have been patrolling the area recently, seemingly sussing out the local residents, although I doubt the Fanackapans pass muster.
Should this rumour become fact, I might be persuaded to welcome him to the area with a plate of Mary Berry's finest and, should the conversation turn to the Beautiful Game, who knows where it might lead....
Bring on the protests !!!9 -
Yes, we do seem to have acquired that very knack, but there are so many bad sides that, surely, we can't lose to them all?twiggyaddick said:
That we keep losing to....superclive98 said:
The only thing that might save us is the fact that there are so many bad teams in this division.tangoflash said:I predicted a successive relegation in May and I've yet to see any reason to change my opinion........
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