What is the harm in getting a few quick wins in in the meantime?
Who's playing ? Wtf is a quick win , who for , who against What a load of bollox
How is it bollocks?
Fans wanted it, target20k (amongst others) raised that and it's now moving forward. No harm done?
Don't know why so many people are so appalled at this getting done.
Yes there are bigger fish to fry but every journey starts with a step
How has it moved forward?
What have they actually DONE?
That's the point.
Their PR agency has told them to put out good news stories about working with fans. But the time to do it was when they have actually DONE it, not when all they have done is talked about it.
As the club have said themselves they will be working with fans to do it therefore they need to announce this in the first place. We don't yet know what the fan involvement will be. It may well be that the club will do it all themselves I don't know and I don't care. I just wish some people could see that there is some positivity and not try to twist everything into a negative agenda
"Fans wanted it" How's that? I don't remember being asked to volunteer an opinion let alone take part.
Several people on Facebook said it, several people on Twitter said it, Jimmy seeds grandson had raised it, the museum had raised it. People wanted it sorted. Hopefully it will now get sorted.
I really don't understand how you are so easily pleased.
Because if something is not a negative it's a positive.
What is the harm in getting a few quick wins in in the meantime?
Who's playing ? Wtf is a quick win , who for , who against What a load of bollox
How is it bollocks?
Fans wanted it, target20k (amongst others) raised that and it's now moving forward. No harm done?
Don't know why so many people are so appalled at this getting done.
Yes there are bigger fish to fry but every journey starts with a step
How has it moved forward?
What have they actually DONE?
That's the point.
Their PR agency has told them to put out good news stories about working with fans. But the time to do it was when they have actually DONE it, not when all they have done is talked about it.
As the club have said themselves they will be working with fans to do it therefore they need to announce this in the first place. We don't yet know what the fan involvement will be. It may well be that the club will do it all themselves I don't know and I don't care. I just wish some people could see that there is some positivity and not try to twist everything into a negative agenda
"Fans wanted it" How's that? I don't remember being asked to volunteer an opinion let alone take part.
Several people on Facebook said it, several people on Twitter said it, Jimmy seeds grandson had raised it, the museum had raised it. People wanted it sorted. Hopefully it will now get sorted.
But isn't that what they are doing?
Taking the slightest "action" and twisting it into "look, everything is OK, here's our pet supporter from east Kent telling you so".
I bet one month's fee to the PR agency would cover the £3k needed to replace the sign but KM is more interested in boost her image via PR than through actually doing something.
I wanted it done and still do. And if and when they actually do it I will praise them. But no, not until they have and not while they are using it to spin a lie to fans.
I guess we will have to wait and see what they do about it. If it all goes to shit and never happens then I'll hold my hands up And chow on humble pie
No need for humble pie. This isn't about will they won't they do it. It's about jumping the gun to claim credit and link it to a new era before they've actually done anything.
What is the harm in getting a few quick wins in in the meantime?
it sounds like a load of bollox
It's a war between fans who want to save Charlton and the regime (plus a few fans that support them). Swisdom who appears to be on the side of the regime thinks they've got a win against the protesters. PR spin from the club, nothing more, and PR spin from the fans supporting the regime.
The crux of this matter is that it shouldn't have needed pointing out. Surely there is a facilities manager somewhere at the club who has a rolling maintenance programme which ensures all stands/fixed buildings have fairly regular repairs/re-paints etc. That's what normal stadia have in place.
The crux of this matter is that it shouldn't have needed pointing out. Surely there is a facilities manager somewhere at the club who has a rolling maintenance programme which ensures all stands/fixed buildings have fairly regular repairs/re-paints etc. That's what normal stadia have in place.
Agreed, PR the shit out of stuff, but make sure its stuff worthy of PR'ing. On the basis of Club maintians ground releases we can probably expect, "Catering staff replace gas cyclinder" "Groundsman plants grass seed" and "Toilet roll changed in Upper west Bogs" The PR story that we are not hearing or is confused is "Sparrows lane development latest!" etc
My neighbours have brought to my attention the sign outside bearing the name of my house is fading and in need of tidying up a bit, I thanked them for bringing this to my attention and we are working together to rectify this situation.
This to me is a sign, in a very literal sense, that everything is now absolutely brilliant everywhere, and has made me want to go round TCE's house every other Saturday to watch him play football in his back garden
There will be light refreshments laid on, please feel free to point out any lack of hot water in the toilets or comment on how nice the garden looks. But please ignore the fact that the house falling down around our ears.
Chips? How many??
Catering is our forte, 17 chips per portion priced very fairly at 9 quid or we offer an upgrade Pie, chips and pint for 25 quid. I've got the neighbours coming round every summer to help with the spring cleaning and paint the fence, while I sod off on holiday.
Dubai ....Jamaica ?
No she'll be going of her own accord .
Bloody hell I set the joke up & didn't even get a lol :-)
The crux of this matter is that it shouldn't have needed pointing out. Surely there is a facilities manager somewhere at the club who has a rolling maintenance programme which ensures all stands/fixed buildings have fairly regular repairs/re-paints etc. That's what normal stadia have in place.
Agreed, PR the shit out of stuff, but make sure its stuff worthy of PR'ing. On the basis of Club maintians ground releases we can probably expect, "Catering staff replace gas cyclinder" "Groundsman plants grass seed" and "Toilet roll changed in Upper west Bogs" The PR story that we are not hearing or is confused is "Sparrows lane development latest!" etc
What is the harm in getting a few quick wins in in the meantime?
Who's playing ? Wtf is a quick win , who for , who against What a load of bollox
How is it bollocks?
Fans wanted it, target20k (amongst others) raised that and it's now moving forward. No harm done?
Don't know why so many people are so appalled at this getting done.
Yes there are bigger fish to fry but every journey starts with a step
How has it moved forward?
What have they actually DONE?
That's the point.
Their PR agency has told them to put out good news stories about working with fans. But the time to do it was when they have actually DONE it, not when all they have done is talked about it.
As the club have said themselves they will be working with fans to do it therefore they need to announce this in the first place. We don't yet know what the fan involvement will be. It may well be that the club will do it all themselves I don't know and I don't care. I just wish some people could see that there is some positivity and not try to twist everything into a negative agenda
"Fans wanted it" How's that? I don't remember being asked to volunteer an opinion let alone take part.
Several people on Facebook said it, several people on Twitter said it, Jimmy seeds grandson had raised it, the museum had raised it. People wanted it sorted. Hopefully it will now get sorted.
The crux of this matter is that it shouldn't have needed pointing out. Surely there is a facilities manager somewhere at the club who has a rolling maintenance programme which ensures all stands/fixed buildings have fairly regular repairs/re-paints etc. That's what normal stadia have in place.
@Swisdom the problem with you saying "As the club have said themselves they will be working with fans to do it therefore they need to announce this in the first place." Is that they are consulting a bunch of kids who have no idea of the history of the club. They won't consult the people that actually know our history and have done everything to protect it. As Meire said, she doesn't care about our history.
This is all window dressing, or shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic. They are clueless and, sadly, you know that but can't acknowledge it.
'Are we becoming Americanised' or similar is, I beleive, a thread title on here.
"quick win" used on a "Gritty South London club" CAFC forum...
Yes we are.
Absolutely hate this phrase, soon there will be posts about the SMT going after the "low hanging fruit", getting some "learns" and "being on a journey" and other such nonsense.
As for the sign, simple. It's great if it happens and undoubtedly overdue and easier to have done in the close season when the pitch was torn up but really it does not require any announcement or comment until complete and even then not in an "oh look at us, we listen to fans and are wonderful" kind of way but more of a "as cutodians and passing owners of this great club we have just done the bare minimum and restored a knackered old sign to its former glory as everyone would expect any competent owner to do without having to 'work with the fans' " kind of a way.
As a professional organisation I would expect a standard budget for premises maintenance. This regime did make much of their initial refurbishment of the stadium and the pitch where clearly their predecessors had failed in their duty to meet their obligations for either.
While the funding of the initial "shop" refurbishment was ultimately no more than the price of doing business I applauded the expenditure. It was indeed most welcome
Why is the Jimmy Seed Stand Signage any different?
Why would not standard maintenance budgets cover this item. In this instance is it not simply a matter of priority? Do the club really need to fund £1500 a day attendance at a Networking conference for the CEO rather than stadium maintenance?
That this particular dedication has fallen into disrepair is not a matter for acclaim.
That this particular dedication has been a matter of complaint from several areas is not a matter for acclaim.
That the response to such complaint is merely to be "work on it" with supporters, not fund it, not resolve it, just determine how and when it might be done is not a matter for acclaim.
The "Green shoots" of recovery are based on actual specific results not the prediction of such results.
It is not dissimilar to the acclaim many seem to be keen in pronouncing on the regimes choice to return the club player recruitment programme to something approaching the industry norm, an industry norm most have sought for over 2yrs.
Finally rejecting a cataclysmic and unprecedented failure of the previous recruitment programme is not a matter for acclaim.
East Kent and T20 group are entitled to support the club as they see fit yet to argue under this regime it is the same club they have long supported is disingenuous. If people cannot recognise the issues after all that we have seen over the past 32 months then it is either because they attach no value to the concerns of others or they simply do not want to see them.
They can argue they are intent on bringing about change through dialogue but without such dialogue being put in the public domain they however unfairly leave themselves open to challenges of either being puppets to the regime or pursuit of a self serving agenda.
I have a measure of sympathy for those desperately seeking positivity but this most recent public pronouncement resembles all the gravitas of the announcement of a Church Bazaar in the local parish newsletter.
That is not to disrespect the name of Jimmy Seed that has already been done by the poor state of the current signage.
It is indicative of the parochial mindset that pervades the club today which promises to see club wallow in a sea of provincial small minded mediocrity on the road to precisely nowhere.
The club is making a big thing of doing some regular maintenence of what they should be doing in the first place. The spinning of this as a sign of listening to the supporters and improved fan engagement is poor.
Similar the change of the transfer policy in not listening to that Thomas Drieson idiot.
Stopping shooting yourself in the foot or hitting your own head with a hammer is a start but it would have been better not to do that in the first place. Trying to make a big public spin out of it whilst trying not to be accountable or admit to the horrible mistake in the first place is idiotic and looks disingenuous.
Even with that change in recruitment they still managed to undercook the squad. The squad depth light, unbalanced with a shortage in midfield and heavy on central defenders. A gamble on Ulvestad being able to provide energy or sufficient service to AJose.
The media spin is to pretend that the limited fan engagement with carefully selected supporter groups heralds a great change of a way the club is engaging with supporters and doing business. Something to put into a report to the EFL & sell to the press. I am still not getting that they are in any way that they want to properly engaging with supporters groups who are critical. I don't think the aim is though to win over critical supporters, it is Duchatelet & Meire attempt to spin to win the media / publicity battle. Its a fake supporter engagement.
No one is perfect and mistakes are always made. That's forgivable. All the attempted spin and manipulation on thin gruel just settles and hardens my dislike / distrust of the Meire and Duchatelet regime TBH.
The club is making a big thing of doing some regular maintenence of what they should be doing in the first place. The spinning of this as a sign of listening to the supporters and improved fan engagement is poor.
Similar the change of the transfer policy in not listening to that Thomas Drieson idiot.
Stopping shooting yourself in the foot or hitting your own head with a hammer is a start but it would have been better not to do that in the first place. Trying to make a big public spin out of it whilst trying not to be accountable or admit to the horrible mistake in the first place is idiotic and looks disingenuous.
Even with that change in recruitment they still managed to undercook the squad. The squad depth light, unbalanced with a shortage in midfield and heavy on central defenders. A gamble on Ulvestad being able to provide energy or sufficient service to AJose.
The media spin is to pretend that the limited fan engagement with carefully selected supporter groups heralds a great change of a way the club is engaging with supporters and doing business. Something to put into a report to the EFL & sell to the press. I am still not getting that they are in any way that they want to properly engaging with supporters groups who are critical. I don't think the aim is though to win over critical supporters, it is Duchatelet & Meire attempt to spin to win the media / publicity battle. Its a fake supporter engagement.
No one is perfect and misakes are always made. That's forgivable. All the attempted spin and manipulation on thin gruel just settles and hardens my dislike / distrust of the Meire and Duchatelet regime TBH.
Counting the days until Duchatelet sells up.
They have not done anything yet, but they are working towards it. In other words, it won't get done as Meire talks a good game but she never delivers
When they swanned in they intimated the super duper training ground development would be done by now. From what I can gather it amounted to Russell Slade fixing the plumbing in the pavilion, painted the portokabin dining room and ordered in some tablecloths. At that kind of rate of progress the sign will be sorted by 2525.
When they swanned in they intimated the super duper training ground development would be done by now. From what I can gather it amounted to Russell Slade fixing the plumbing in the pavilion, painted the portokabin dining room and ordered in some tablecloths. At that kind of rate of progress the sign will be sorted by 2525.
If Duchatelet had run with the already funded plan that integrated the community trust and just got on with it, it would have been much better and may have been finished by now. Instead Charlton Athletic are paying 3% interest on the loan to Staprix to bring an over inflated scheme that is miles from being finished. Its pathetic.
When they swanned in they intimated the super duper training ground development would be done by now. From what I can gather it amounted to Russell Slade fixing the plumbing in the pavilion, painted the portokabin dining room and ordered in some tablecloths. At that kind of rate of progress the sign will be sorted by 2525.
What is the harm in getting a few quick wins in in the meantime?
Who's playing ? Wtf is a quick win , who for , who against What a load of bollox
How is it bollocks?
Fans wanted it, target20k (amongst others) raised that and it's now moving forward. No harm done?
Don't know why so many people are so appalled at this getting done.
Yes there are bigger fish to fry but every journey starts with a step
How has it moved forward?
What have they actually DONE?
That's the point.
Their PR agency has told them to put out good news stories about working with fans. But the time to do it was when they have actually DONE it, not when all they have done is talked about it.
As the club have said themselves they will be working with fans to do it therefore they need to announce this in the first place. We don't yet know what the fan involvement will be. It may well be that the club will do it all themselves I don't know and I don't care. I just wish some people could see that there is some positivity and not try to twist everything into a negative agenda
"Fans wanted it" How's that? I don't remember being asked to volunteer an opinion let alone take part.
Several people on Facebook said it, several people on Twitter said it, Jimmy seeds grandson had raised it, the museum had raised it. People wanted it sorted. Hopefully it will now get sorted.
The Jimmy Seed Stand sponsored by Nigel Eagles.
I think I may have got things a little out of context. I have no issue with fans wanting the club to tidy things up, it's when they form groups, create their own agendas and then speak on my behalf. Like T20 or that lot from East Kent. How do you get an invite? I'm sure there are quite a few on here the club make a point of avoiding.
Really the club shouldn't need to be asked to do such jobs as general maintenance. By letting the club have publicity through this, even though they have done bugger all, it's made them look the good guys. If the club doesn't care about Jimmy Seeds sign maybe it shows they care nothing about our history or a man that could no longer play football due to being gassed but still had great success in football. His record stands above all at Charlton. I would had said nothing to the ignorant cretins.
The only way there'll be 20K fans turning up is with a change of ownership, or a fundamental repositioning of the current ownership. Which is most likely?
The only way there'll be 20K fans turning up is with a change of ownership, or a fundamental repositioning of the current ownership. Which is most likely?
I'd bet that the first game post the Belgian departure would see 20k+ in the ground for a party of 1992 proportions. It will never, ever happen with that sorry bunch in control.
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The Jimmy Seed Stand sponsored by Nigel Eagles.
This is all window dressing, or shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic. They are clueless and, sadly, you know that but can't acknowledge it.
"quick win" used on a "Gritty South London club" CAFC forum...
Yes we are.
Absolutely hate this phrase, soon there will be posts about the SMT going after the "low hanging fruit", getting some "learns" and "being on a journey" and other such nonsense.
As for the sign, simple. It's great if it happens and undoubtedly overdue and easier to have done in the close season when the pitch was torn up but really it does not require any announcement or comment until complete and even then not in an "oh look at us, we listen to fans and are wonderful" kind of way but more of a "as cutodians and passing owners of this great club we have just done the bare minimum and restored a knackered old sign to its former glory as everyone would expect any competent owner to do without having to 'work with the fans' " kind of a way.
Clearly some have lower expectations than others.
As a professional organisation I would expect a standard budget for premises maintenance. This regime did make much of their initial refurbishment of the stadium and the pitch where clearly their predecessors had failed in their duty to meet their obligations for either.
While the funding of the initial "shop" refurbishment was ultimately no more than the price of doing business I applauded the expenditure. It was indeed most welcome
Why is the Jimmy Seed Stand Signage any different?
Why would not standard maintenance budgets cover this item. In this instance is it not simply a matter of priority? Do the club really need to fund £1500 a day attendance at a Networking conference for the CEO rather than stadium maintenance?
That this particular dedication has fallen into disrepair is not a matter for acclaim.
That this particular dedication has been a matter of complaint from several areas is not a matter for acclaim.
That the response to such complaint is merely to be "work on it" with supporters, not fund it, not resolve it, just determine how and when it might be done is not a matter for acclaim.
The "Green shoots" of recovery are based on actual specific results not the prediction of such results.
It is not dissimilar to the acclaim many seem to be keen in pronouncing on the regimes choice to return the club player recruitment programme to something approaching the industry norm, an industry norm most have sought for over 2yrs.
Finally rejecting a cataclysmic and unprecedented failure of the previous recruitment programme is not a matter for acclaim.
East Kent and T20 group are entitled to support the club as they see fit yet to argue under this regime it is the same club they have long supported is disingenuous. If people cannot recognise the issues after all that we have seen over the past 32 months then it is either because they attach no value to the concerns of others or they simply do not want to see them.
They can argue they are intent on bringing about change through dialogue but without such dialogue being put in the public domain they however unfairly leave themselves open to challenges of either being puppets to the regime or pursuit of a self serving agenda.
I have a measure of sympathy for those desperately seeking positivity but this most recent public pronouncement resembles all the gravitas of the announcement of a Church Bazaar in the local parish newsletter.
That is not to disrespect the name of Jimmy Seed that has already been done by the poor state of the current signage.
It is indicative of the parochial mindset that pervades the club today which promises to see club wallow in a sea of provincial small minded mediocrity on the road to precisely nowhere.
The club is making a big thing of doing some regular maintenence of what they should be doing in the first place. The spinning of this as a sign of listening to the supporters and improved fan engagement is poor.
Similar the change of the transfer policy in not listening to that Thomas Drieson idiot.
Stopping shooting yourself in the foot or hitting your own head with a hammer is a start but it would have been better not to do that in the first place. Trying to make a big public spin out of it whilst trying not to be accountable or admit to the horrible mistake in the first place is idiotic and looks disingenuous.
Even with that change in recruitment they still managed to undercook the squad. The squad depth light, unbalanced with a shortage in midfield and heavy on central defenders. A gamble on Ulvestad being able to provide energy or sufficient service to AJose.
The media spin is to pretend that the limited fan engagement with carefully selected supporter groups heralds a great change of a way the club is engaging with supporters and doing business. Something to put into a report to the EFL & sell to the press. I am still not getting that they are in any way that they want to properly engaging with supporters groups who are critical. I don't think the aim is though to win over critical supporters, it is Duchatelet & Meire attempt to spin to win the media / publicity battle. Its a fake supporter engagement.
No one is perfect and mistakes are always made. That's forgivable. All the attempted spin and manipulation on thin gruel just settles and hardens my dislike / distrust of the Meire and Duchatelet regime TBH.
Counting the days until Duchatelet sells up.
There is no senior management team there hasn't been in years
What we have is a bunch of absolute cock wobbles who couldn't manage to finish off a fish finger sandwich
From what I can gather it amounted to Russell Slade fixing the plumbing in the pavilion, painted the portokabin dining room and ordered in some tablecloths.
At that kind of rate of progress the sign will be sorted by 2525.
I think I may have got things a little out of context. I have no issue with fans wanting the club to tidy things up, it's when they form groups, create their own agendas and then speak on my behalf. Like T20 or that lot from East Kent.
How do you get an invite? I'm sure there are quite a few on here the club make a point of avoiding.
Really the club shouldn't need to be asked to do such jobs as general maintenance. By letting the club have publicity through this, even though they have done bugger all, it's made them look the good guys. If the club doesn't care about Jimmy Seeds sign maybe it shows they care nothing about our history or a man that could no longer play football due to being gassed but still had great success in football. His record stands above all at Charlton.
I would had said nothing to the ignorant cretins.
Or have I missed out something?
It will never, ever happen with that sorry bunch in control.