Very f***ing tedious all this I'm a better supporter than you because my decision on season tickets (one way or the other) is different and so therefore better than yours.
Anybody calling another fan less of a fan over this issue is an idiot, we should all remember we are on the same side and be able to express our opinion without insults.
My own opinion is that the idea of embarrassing him out of the club is a fantasy, as it appears that he has had the media mocking him in Belgium years before he arrived at our club and the media will lose interest in us in League 1.
The only way the inside the Valley protests would force his hands is if we literally stopped the club from being able to do what it ultimately exists to do which is playing football matches, something that is never going to happen and I am not even suggesting it should.
So we are left with one option, starve him of any income from us his customers, make that balance sheet look as bad as possible, as that is all he cares about, proving he can run a club in a more sensible way then others, prove that his way is better.
Which is why I believe any money that goes from us fans to the club only prolongs his stay and prolongs the demise of our once great club.
Who said the Belgians know nothing about Charlton's history? They obviously do. Why else would they have a picture of Simon Webster on the ST deadline news article on the home page of the OS? It's a reminder of one of the first players we sold on to a Premiership club.
"Come on customers - make sure you get your ST ticket to see football stars before we flog them".
I would think one of the methods of trying to shift RD would be to make the club as difficult to run as possible. The act of buying a season ticket is one transaction, but buying for each game is 23 transactions. You may not sit where you want to sit, where you sat for years, but the simple fact that the club has to lay on the logistics for you to watch for every game, not knowing how many will turn up, will I'd have thought be a headache that they don't need
I would think one of the methods of trying to shift RD would be to make the club as difficult to run as possible. The act of buying a season ticket is one transaction, but buying for each game is 23 transactions. You may not sit where you want to sit, where you sat for years, but the simple fact that the club has to lay on the logistics for you to watch for every game, not knowing how many will turn up, will I'd have thought be a headache that they don't need
Yet if everyone did that, the club would end up gaining more and would give them an excuse to scrap S/T's like what Hull are doing.
Yet if everyone did that, the club would end up gaining more and would give them an excuse to scrap S/T's like what Hull are doing.
Would it not cost them more to collect, baring in mind that things that they have out sourced like catering has guaranteed footfall factored in? And how much do you lose from paying on the day? The odd one or two games missed due to travel/work/weddings and the odd fiver games.
I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.
Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.
Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.
No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions. Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds. Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
What a load of old bollocks.
Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man. PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
It's a load of old bollocks that you should tell me what I can and cannot do with my money. 'Best protest' is you opinion, not mine or several other people who will renew later in the year.
You wouldn't have a clue what true betrayal and sacrifice are.
Just a quick question Pete, are you now a current ST holder and when did you last go to a game?
Hello Addicked, Okay ‘betrayal’ is an emotive word and perhaps not appropriate in these circumstances although ‘severely disappoint’ is too weak, so I will perhaps settle on ‘under mind the actions of those who feel that boycotting season tickets is the best way of ridding us of RD’. You obviously disagree but this is an opinion board. I do not regret my posting and it was not my intention to upset anybody but it has perhaps laid bare the feeling that I have had for some weeks that many fine and active supporters of the Coalition and CAST are suggesting/advising that supporters only delay paying for their season tickets which will have no real impact on moneybags RD - he will no doubt be aware of this and will not be too worried I think. People will attend and, unless he has a complete personality change, he will pour more shit and misery on them….. Each to his/her own.
I do not know why you said You wouldn't have a clue what true betrayal and sacrifice are. I do not know your personal circumstances and you do not know mine.
I am surprised that you ask if I am a current ST holder (I am) and when I last went to a game (last home game v Birmingham) but for what it’s relevant I have only missed a handful of home games at the Valley since about 1959. Very brief potted history here if you are interested. http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/2452813/#Comment_2452813
I have no bad feelings towards anybody on this forum (with one possible exception ) and I think that it is possible to talk and disagree about our collective differences of opinions. Many of us are very angry at the moment and emotions are running high. Perhaps we can agree to differ?
Anybody calling another fan less of a fan over this issue is an idiot, we should all remember we are on the same side and be able to express our opinion without insults.
My own opinion is that the idea of embarrassing him out of the club is a fantasy, as it appears that he has had the media mocking him in Belgium years before he arrived at our club and the media will lose interest in us in League 1.
The only way the inside the Valley protests would force his hands is if we literally stopped the club from being able to do what it ultimately exists to do which is playing football matches, something that is never going to happen and I am not even suggesting it should.
So we are left with one option, starve him of any income from us his customers, make that balance sheet look as bad as possible, as that is all he cares about, proving he can run a club in a more sensible way then others, prove that his way is better.
Which is why I believe any money that goes from us fans to the club only prolongs his stay and prolongs the demise of our once great club.
The problem is, is that nobody exactly knows what RD wants. It's not a purely financial thing, as he's wealthy anyway, and football clubs are never money makers. It's more an ego thing, a desire to prove his way is right.
While the transfer policy has been shambolic, the sheer number of players brought in during 2016, and the wages they are presumably costing, doesn't suggest to me someone happy to let us get relegated to L1, and only interested in "breeding" young players.
Die-hard fans know they are going to turn up next season whatever happens so they might as well renew their season ticket before the deadline.
Why can't some people get that by delaying buying makes it very difficult to plan/budget for the regime. It adds a lot of uncertainty and risk. This financial risk increases the chance of RD selling in the summer. Please wait, for most people have nothing to lose by waiting
I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.
Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.
Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.
No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions. Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds. Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
What a load of old bollocks.
Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man. PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
It's a load of old bollocks that you should tell me what I can and cannot do with my money. 'Best protest' is you opinion, not mine or several other people who will renew later in the year.
You wouldn't have a clue what true betrayal and sacrifice are.
Just a quick question Pete, are you now a current ST holder and when did you last go to a game?
Hello Addicked, Okay ‘betrayal’ is an emotive word and perhaps not appropriate in these circumstances although ‘severely disappoint’ is too weak, so I will perhaps settle on ‘under mind the actions of those who feel that boycotting season tickets is the best way of ridding us of RD’. You obviously disagree but this is an opinion board. I do not regret my posting and it was not my intention to upset anybody but it has perhaps laid bare the feeling that I have had for some weeks that many fine and active supporters of the Coalition and CAST are suggesting/advising that supporters only delay paying for their season tickets which will have no real impact on moneybags RD - he will no doubt be aware of this and will not be too worried I think. People will attend and, unless he has a complete personality change, he will pour more shit and misery on them….. Each to his/her own.
I do not know why you said You wouldn't have a clue what true betrayal and sacrifice are. I do not know your personal circumstances and you do not know mine.
I am surprised that you ask if I am a current ST holder (I am) and when I last went to a game (last home game v Birmingham) but for what it’s relevant I have only missed a handful of home games at the Valley since about 1959. Very brief potted history here if you are interested. http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/2452813/#Comment_2452813
I have no bad feelings towards anybody on this forum (with one possible exception ) and I think that it is possible to talk and disagree about our collective differences of opinions. Many of us are very angry at the moment and emotions are running high. Perhaps we can agree to differ?
I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.
Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.
Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.
No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions. Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds. Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
What a load of old bollocks.
Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man. PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
It's a load of old bollocks that you should tell me what I can and cannot do with my money. 'Best protest' is you opinion, not mine or several other people who will renew later in the year.
You wouldn't have a clue what true betrayal and sacrifice are.
Just a quick question Pete, are you now a current ST holder and when did you last go to a game?
Hello Addicked, Okay ‘betrayal’ is an emotive word and perhaps not appropriate in these circumstances although ‘severely disappoint’ is too weak, so I will perhaps settle on ‘under mind the actions of those who feel that boycotting season tickets is the best way of ridding us of RD’. You obviously disagree but this is an opinion board. I do not regret my posting and it was not my intention to upset anybody but it has perhaps laid bare the feeling that I have had for some weeks that many fine and active supporters of the Coalition and CAST are suggesting/advising that supporters only delay paying for their season tickets which will have no real impact on moneybags RD - he will no doubt be aware of this and will not be too worried I think. People will attend and, unless he has a complete personality change, he will pour more shit and misery on them….. Each to his/her own.
I do not know why you said You wouldn't have a clue what true betrayal and sacrifice are. I do not know your personal circumstances and you do not know mine.
I am surprised that you ask if I am a current ST holder (I am) and when I last went to a game (last home game v Birmingham) but for what it’s relevant I have only missed a handful of home games at the Valley since about 1959. Very brief potted history here if you are interested. http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/2452813/#Comment_2452813
I have no bad feelings towards anybody on this forum (with one possible exception ) and I think that it is possible to talk and disagree about our collective differences of opinions. Many of us are very angry at the moment and emotions are running high. Perhaps we can agree to differ?
I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.
Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.
Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.
No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions. Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds. Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
What a load of old bollocks.
Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man. PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
You wouldn't have a clue what true betrayal and sacrifice are.
This is going in the trailer when I produce 'Card: The Movie'.
Come on everyone. There's no right or wrong. It's a personal choice whether to renew or not. It's a personal choice whether to boycott, protest, etc. Just as loyalty or passion is not measured by matches attended or vociferousness of argument. Aside from the few who are happy with the club as it is being run, everyone wants the same thing, but we must respect each others decisions even they aren't ones we agree with.
The one thing that will help Roland and that woman is if we start to fragment and the protests turn to infighting rather than getting rid of the regime.
I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.
Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.
Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.
No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions. Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds. Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
What a load of old bollocks.
Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man. PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
It's a load of old bollocks that you should tell me what I can and cannot do with my money. 'Best protest' is you opinion, not mine or several other people who will renew later in the year.
You wouldn't have a clue what true betrayal and sacrifice are.
Just a quick question Pete, are you now a current ST holder and when did you last go to a game?
Hello Addicked, Okay ‘betrayal’ is an emotive word and perhaps not appropriate in these circumstances although ‘severely disappoint’ is too weak, so I will perhaps settle on ‘under mind the actions of those who feel that boycotting season tickets is the best way of ridding us of RD’. You obviously disagree but this is an opinion board. I do not regret my posting and it was not my intention to upset anybody but it has perhaps laid bare the feeling that I have had for some weeks that many fine and active supporters of the Coalition and CAST are suggesting/advising that supporters only delay paying for their season tickets which will have no real impact on moneybags RD - he will no doubt be aware of this and will not be too worried I think. People will attend and, unless he has a complete personality change, he will pour more shit and misery on them….. Each to his/her own.
I do not know why you said You wouldn't have a clue what true betrayal and sacrifice are. I do not know your personal circumstances and you do not know mine.
I am surprised that you ask if I am a current ST holder (I am) and when I last went to a game (last home game v Birmingham) but for what it’s relevant I have only missed a handful of home games at the Valley since about 1959. Very brief potted history here if you are interested. http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/2452813/#Comment_2452813
I have no bad feelings towards anybody on this forum (with one possible exception ) and I think that it is possible to talk and disagree about our collective differences of opinions. Many of us are very angry at the moment and emotions are running high. Perhaps we can agree to differ?
Thank you for clarification Pete. I'm glad you realise that differing approaches are neither a betrayal of ones views of the Clubs ownership or in anyway near a sacrificial riposte to the regime.
Each individual must be prepared to take the steps they feel are necessary and we certainly shouldn't be arguing that one approach is better than another.
I will be renewing as late as possible. The delay was requested by CARD and I'm happy to support this. However the Belgium megalomaniac will not stop me from supporting the Club I have loved all my life. Through thick and (sometimes very) thin.
Whatever he does, cannot remove the sheer joy I get from some very special occasions I continue to have at The Valley, and time spent with some very special individuals.
I'm also proud to see my son at the forefront of the protests, who will also be renewing his ST.
Because this is my decision, I take umbrage at those who should consider it a 'betrayal'. It's not. It's my decision as it's my decision to continue to protest.
Let's hope this regime is on it's last legs and we can laugh over this with a beer together behind the East Stand in the near future.
I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.
Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.
Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.
No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions. Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds. Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
What a load of old bollocks.
Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man. PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
You wouldn't have a clue what true betrayal and sacrifice are.
This is going in the trailer when I produce 'Card: The Movie'.
Starring Colin Farrell as AFKA...Gerard Butler as Addickted...and Vin Diesel as Henry Irving.
Die-hard fans know they are going to turn up next season whatever happens so they might as well renew their season ticket before the deadline.
Why can't some people get that by delaying buying makes it very difficult to plan/budget for the regime. It adds a lot of uncertainty and risk. This financial risk increases the chance of RD selling in the summer. Please wait, for most people have nothing to lose by waiting
Ok, I understand the plan now, make them believe they are going to get less money in so they have to sell more players...fcking genius plan, beats me why i didn't wait before I bought my ticket
Die-hard fans know they are going to turn up next season whatever happens so they might as well renew their season ticket before the deadline.
Why can't some people get that by delaying buying makes it very difficult to plan/budget for the regime. It adds a lot of uncertainty and risk. This financial risk increases the chance of RD selling in the summer. Please wait, for most people have nothing to lose by waiting
I'm happy to delay buying, but don't agree that the uncertainty necessarily increases the chance of RD selling. It could certainly have an affect on our transfer budget this summer though, and as the last two summers have shown, that's when you need to build your squad for the season, not January. £800k of season ticket money entering the club's coffers in mid August might be too late.
If there was a buyer out there, waiting to take over right now, then things would be different. Relegation certainly doesn't improve that likelihood - would Peter Varney's foreign contacts be interested in a L1 club? It's not as if they wanted to buy us due to a lifelong love for the club.
In my mind it is all or nothing - if people in CARD deem it appropriate to buy a season ticket then I don't think they can call for a boycott.
I don't see why I should then go without, if the main protest group aren't backing it?
I will wait till the last minute as I don't care about my seat.
Indeed. If they call for a boycott then they should do the same. Anything else and they will come across like that Arse that went to Belgium then promised a pitch invasion before he changed his mind and told no one.
On a related subject if CARD are actually asking fans not to renew until July and the club know this is going to happen then despite a few unknowns are they not, inadvertently, ensuring that all those that renew late just pay £25 more each. If that happens to be, say, 5,000 fans it benefits the club by £125k. If Roland leaves before July then great but if he doesn't then that sounds a little like an own goal to me.
In my mind it is all or nothing - if people in CARD deem it appropriate to buy a season ticket then I don't think they can call for a boycott.
I don't see why I should then go without, if the main protest group aren't backing it?
I will wait till the last minute as I don't care about my seat.
Indeed. If they call for a boycott then they should do the same. Anything else and they will come across like that Arse that went to Belgium then promised a pitch invasion before he changed his mind and told no one.
On a related subject if CARD are actually asking fans not to renew until July and the club know this is going to happen then despite a few unknowns are they not, inadvertently, ensuring that all those that renew late just pay £25 more each. If that happens to be, say, 5,000 fans it benefits the club by £125k. If Roland leaves before July then great but if he doesn't then that sounds a little like an own goal to me.
Or have I missed something?
I support CARD boycott call now,but if CARD drops the boycott in July I will still not buy until RD goes,for me this is about the life of the club and RD will kill it whether we are at games or not. Better to make his job as hard as possible.
Where does anyone get the idea that members of CARD are ignoring their own call for a ST boycott?
As far as I can see this pure conjecture. Don't for christ's sake let someone's musings become fact.
If anyone has got specifics and facts rather than innuendo, put them on here. Otherwise, please don't insult us with the suggestion.
I hope that wasn't aimed at me. I wasn't suggesting that CARD were going to do anything at all just that, as I understand it, their call is not for fans to never renew, just not until as late as possible.
Where does anyone get the idea that members of CARD are ignoring their own call for a ST boycott?
As far as I can see this pure conjecture. Don't for christ's sake let someone's musings become fact.
If anyone has got specifics and facts rather than innuendo, put them on here. Otherwise, please don't insult us with the suggestion.
I hope that wasn't aimed at me. I wasn't suggesting that CARD were going to do anything at all just that, as I understand it, their call is not for fans to never renew, just not until as late as possible.
I think the point was that we recognised some people would renew regardless, so we are encouraging them to leave it late as a contribution to the protest, rather than having a straight divide among fans between yes and no.
Totally accept it's for everyone to make their own choice. I think the argument about squad strength/sales is nonsense. Relegation blows a massive hole in the club's finances. If no one renewed the effect would be a fraction of that. You could sell / pay off every single player and replace them with amateurs and you'd still be losing money in League One.
I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.
Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.
Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.
No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions. Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds. Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
What a load of old bollocks.
Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man. PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
Desperate was certainly a good choice of user name
Thank you for your response Henry. So we shall take it that you will renew your season ticket!
Clearly you are "desperate" to get a response from me and I know shouldn't feed that need. I know you're still upset that I showed Karel "I'll be co-ordinating the network" Fraeye up as the fraud and liar he is but you are getting a bit stalkerish now.
Not sure why you what care what I do but as you well now I haven't made my mind up yet.
I won't renew before the deadline and will wait until July before deciding even though I might risk the very good seats I have in the East.
If you think that makes you a better fan/person and want to use that as a stick to try beat me with, then go ahead. Water, ducks' back.
I think you'll find that many of the most active protesters, such as Addickted who is one of the Belgium 20 and Covered End, will or already have decided to renew. Wouldn't be surprised some of CARD renew either but I haven't spoken to them all about it and ultimately that is their personal choice, just like it will be mine.
Enjoy wearing your black and white scarf. Back to ignore mode
In my mind it is all or nothing - if people in CARD deem it appropriate to buy a season ticket then I don't think they can call for a boycott.
I don't see why I should then go without, if the main protest group aren't backing it?
I will wait till the last minute as I don't care about my seat.
Indeed. If they call for a boycott then they should do the same. Anything else and they will come across like that Arse that went to Belgium then promised a pitch invasion before he changed his mind and told no one.
On a related subject if CARD are actually asking fans not to renew until July and the club know this is going to happen then despite a few unknowns are they not, inadvertently, ensuring that all those that renew late just pay £25 more each. If that happens to be, say, 5,000 fans it benefits the club by £125k. If Roland leaves before July then great but if he doesn't then that sounds a little like an own goal to me.
Or have I missed something?
Nobody actually said that CARD organisers are not observing their own boycott call, but a discussion of that has ensued and the overall impression left is that they are (or might be). That could be very damaging and I'm asking all posters to be careful.
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Embarrassing really.
I don't see why I should then go without, if the main protest group aren't backing it?
I will wait till the last minute as I don't care about my seat.
My own opinion is that the idea of embarrassing him out of the club is a fantasy, as it appears that he has had the media mocking him in Belgium years before he arrived at our club and the media will lose interest in us in League 1.
The only way the inside the Valley protests would force his hands is if we literally stopped the club from being able to do what it ultimately exists to do which is playing football matches, something that is never going to happen and I am not even suggesting it should.
So we are left with one option, starve him of any income from us his customers, make that balance sheet look as bad as possible, as that is all he cares about, proving he can run a club in a more sensible way then others, prove that his way is better.
Which is why I believe any money that goes from us fans to the club only prolongs his stay and prolongs the demise of our once great club.
"Come on customers - make sure you get your ST ticket to see football stars before we flog them".
Okay ‘betrayal’ is an emotive word and perhaps not appropriate in these circumstances although ‘severely disappoint’ is too weak, so I will perhaps settle on ‘under mind the actions of those who feel that boycotting season tickets is the best way of ridding us of RD’. You obviously disagree but this is an opinion board.
I do not regret my posting and it was not my intention to upset anybody but it has perhaps laid bare the feeling that I have had for some weeks that many fine and active supporters of the Coalition and CAST are suggesting/advising that supporters only delay paying for their season tickets which will have no real impact on moneybags RD - he will no doubt be aware of this and will not be too worried I think.
People will attend and, unless he has a complete personality change, he will pour more shit and misery on them….. Each to his/her own.
I do not know why you said You wouldn't have a clue what true betrayal and sacrifice are. I do not know your personal circumstances and you do not know mine.
I am surprised that you ask if I am a current ST holder (I am) and when I last went to a game (last home game v Birmingham) but for what it’s relevant I have only missed a handful of home games at the Valley since about 1959. Very brief potted history here if you are interested.
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/2452813/#Comment_2452813
I have no bad feelings towards anybody on this forum (with one possible exception ) and I think that it is possible to talk and disagree about our collective differences of opinions. Many of us are very angry at the moment and emotions are running high. Perhaps we can agree to differ?
While the transfer policy has been shambolic, the sheer number of players brought in during 2016, and the wages they are presumably costing, doesn't suggest to me someone happy to let us get relegated to L1, and only interested in "breeding" young players.
The one thing that will help Roland and that woman is if we start to fragment and the protests turn to infighting rather than getting rid of the regime.
Each individual must be prepared to take the steps they feel are necessary and we certainly shouldn't be arguing that one approach is better than another.
I will be renewing as late as possible. The delay was requested by CARD and I'm happy to support this. However the Belgium megalomaniac will not stop me from supporting the Club I have loved all my life. Through thick and (sometimes very) thin.
Whatever he does, cannot remove the sheer joy I get from some very special occasions I continue to have at The Valley, and time spent with some very special individuals.
I'm also proud to see my son at the forefront of the protests, who will also be renewing his ST.
Because this is my decision, I take umbrage at those who should consider it a 'betrayal'. It's not. It's my decision as it's my decision to continue to protest.
Let's hope this regime is on it's last legs and we can laugh over this with a beer together behind the East Stand in the near future.
PS Henry isn't that bad.
If there was a buyer out there, waiting to take over right now, then things would be different. Relegation certainly doesn't improve that likelihood - would Peter Varney's foreign contacts be interested in a L1 club? It's not as if they wanted to buy us due to a lifelong love for the club.
On a related subject if CARD are actually asking fans not to renew until July and the club know this is going to happen then despite a few unknowns are they not, inadvertently, ensuring that all those that renew late just pay £25 more each. If that happens to be, say, 5,000 fans it benefits the club by £125k. If Roland leaves before July then great but if he doesn't then that sounds a little like an own goal to me.
Or have I missed something?
As far as I can see this pure conjecture. Don't for christ's sake let someone's musings become fact.
If anyone has got specifics and facts rather than innuendo, put them on here. Otherwise, please don't insult us with the suggestion.
Totally accept it's for everyone to make their own choice. I think the argument about squad strength/sales is nonsense. Relegation blows a massive hole in the club's finances. If no one renewed the effect would be a fraction of that. You could sell / pay off every single player and replace them with amateurs and you'd still be losing money in League One.
Step 1 @Henry Irving says Step 2. @C4FC4L1f3 says Step 3. @kings hill addick says:
Nobody actually said that CARD organisers are not observing their own boycott call, but a discussion of that has ensued and the overall impression left is that they are (or might be). That could be very damaging and I'm asking all posters to be careful.