Well, I'm definitely not renewing before the deadline for the first I think in 23 years. Feel sad about it, but don't feel I can constantly moan about the regime and then give them my money with no real change seen.
Whether I'm out now until The RD era has completely gone, or just until KM has gone and there are clear signs of change abreast, really don't know at this point.
Regardless of whether I am renewing or not, I actually see some of the lack of pricing change bar the North Lower an insult and surprised more hasn't been made of it.
the biggest sacrifice of all is to not go to home games , respect to anyone who takes that tough approach , personally that's the route i'm heading for and if everyone took that route then RD would have only one option
6 of us renewed against Birmingham, back to F block where I started back in 1992, done every stand now, when we had our first prem game we were in the Jimmy Seed stand.
I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.
Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.
Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.
No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions. Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds. Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
I actually think @Fiiish sums it up perfectly. I have renewed. As stated before, I won't let RD drive me out of my club and doing something I've done every single Saturday since I was a kid. I understand this may not be the right thing to do if I want Roland to leave earlier, and I respect all those that have actually got the commitment to say they're not going to renew. However I am not betraying any fellow fans who have decided not to buy.
Even if you will renew, why do it now? Keeping them guessing as to revenue helps as well. At least wait until August please. There is minimal chance of prices going up with relegation and little chance of anyone else buying your seat.
As has been said financial pressure is probably our best chance of success along with embarrassment.
No renewals for us. I guess we may make 1 home game in say 4 next season if we have nothing else on. I wouldn't go myself but I want to keep my son's interest up.
We'll use the opportunity to move around the stands to empty seats to decide where our triumphal season tickets will be bought after Rowland has either done one or changed his senior management team for a competent one.
When I see on the web site that my seat has been sold to a.n. other, I will write to the club to asked for an explanation, as my renewal was posted before the deadline so as with my application form it must have been lost by Royal Mail and see what they do then. If they cannot offer me my original seat I will tell them to get stuffed. I have no intention of renewing until at least the end of July if I do at all.
I had this a few seasons ago with my son's seat they told me it was tough luck but that they would relocate all three of us if I wanted. That season my son only went to a couple of games when my Dad was away.
I heard that under 1k tickets have been sold so far.
As a matter of interest, how does this compare to previous (normal) seasons. I guess a drop-off would be expected with relegation, so is this 20%, 40% or what lower than usual at this stage.
I bought a ST for next season so I guess I've betrayed the boycotters, just like I guess I did when I still supported the team during the Glikstein years and we only had 3k turning up at the valley and I continued to support the team when they played at selhurst and Upton Park...of course, if everybody had boycotted in the past there would be no fcking charlton athletic today for you to boycott...perhaps that's the tag line for the next poster with a little kid's picture asking 'who is he going to boycott in the future if you don't boycott with him today ?'
The match day protests are probably the more effective because they are the ones that get reported and cause the most inconvenience but the trouble with that is you have to be at the fcking game to make your voice heard
But where are these new ST holders going to come from? Unlikely that many people are going to start attending Charlton just because they hear it's cheap. "New" ST holders are most likely to be regular goers anyway who decide to buy. There are going to be more boycotters than new buyers.
And if he can attract fans with a low cost/ affordable season ticket then losing the protesters who are boycotting games ain't going to concern him one bit
I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.
Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.
Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
I bought a ST for next season so I guess I've betrayed the boycotters, just like I guess I did when I still supported the team during the Glikstein years and we only had 3k turning up at the valley and I continued to support the team when they played at selhurst and Upton Park...of course, if everybody had boycotted in the past there would be no fcking charlton athletic today for you to boycott...perhaps that's the tag line for the next poster with a little kid's picture asking 'who is he going to boycott in the future if you don't boycott with him today ?'
The match day protests are probably the more effective because they are the ones that get reported and cause the most inconvenience but the trouble with that is you have to be at the fcking game to make your voice heard
the biggest sacrifice of all is to not go to home games , respect to anyone who takes that tough approach , personally that's the route i'm heading for and if everyone took that route then RD would have only one option
We've seen the outcome of only one option before, it resulted in charlton leaving the valley
I heard that under 1k tickets have been sold so far.
As a matter of interest, how does this compare to previous (normal) seasons. I guess a drop-off would be expected with relegation, so is this 20%, 40% or what lower than usual at this stage.
How many season tickets do we have in total right now ? 8,000 ?
the biggest sacrifice of all is to not go to home games , respect to anyone who takes that tough approach , personally that's the route i'm heading for and if everyone took that route then RD would have only one option
I've renewed mine for several reasons. 1. I'm 62 so not renewing will mean I fall in the trap of if I want to renew in the future I'll have to pay the adult price. 2. I still want to watch my club whoever the owners are or whatever league we are in. 3. I am still hoping that the owners are learning from their mistakes, probably the biggest one was appointing Freye, who was poor. 4. Living in Manchester, I enjoy coming down to London to meet up with mates, go through all the pre match ritual of pub and chat and beer. 5. I have only missed 4 games home and away all season, and will enjoy going to some new grounds, although I am gutted to get relegated, as I think the Championship is a great league.
So overall, is this the correct decision to make? I'm probably renewing for selfish reasons. I enjoy watching football, Charlton are my team, I'm retired so can spend time on my hobby and will continue to do so.
the biggest sacrifice of all is to not go to home games , respect to anyone who takes that tough approach , personally that's the route i'm heading for and if everyone took that route then RD would have only one option
We've seen the outcome of only one option before, it resulted in charlton leaving the valley
What will happen with all the protests in the ground if all these people don't renew? we've had a lot of media attention the last couple of games due to beach balls and stress balls on the pitch,surely if there's only about 3-4 thousand people in the ground dotted about the 3 stands then there will be no protests in the ground
What will happen with all the protests in the ground if all these people don't renew? we've had a lot of media attention the last couple of games due to beach balls and stress balls on the pitch,surely if there's only about 3-4 thousand people in the ground dotted about the 3 stands then there will be no protests in the ground
Think 3-4 thousand in the ground would be a decent protest in itself, club becomes unsustainable. If there are more then protests continue as I see it.
Nothing would convince me to renew while these arrogant tossers are in charge. No doubt it will be an odd feeling when the new season comes around. The ritual of going to The Valley, first with my Dad and now with my son, has been such a big part of my life for over 40 years, but I will not under any circumstances give my tacit support to the people who are destroying our club. I detest these people for what they have done to our proud club and I pray they lose out, both financially and reputationally, when they finally try to extricate themselves from the mess they have created.
What will happen with all the protests in the ground if all these people don't renew? we've had a lot of media attention the last couple of games due to beach balls and stress balls on the pitch,surely if there's only about 3-4 thousand people in the ground dotted about the 3 stands then there will be no protests in the ground
The club may have made a rod for their own back here. A £175 season ticket in the covered end probably won't sell out in April but it offers an easier beach ball throwing distance for protesters who want to buy one in august
Listen people it is REAL SIMPLE! We have it from multiple sources in Belgium that the only way he will leave the club is through financial reasons.
Either Financial GAIN and a successful experiment when he gets bored.
OR
Financial UNSUSTAINABLE!
So 1+1 = DON'T BUY A SEASON TICKET IF YOU WANT HIM OUT!
He sold Standard because he wasn't making money and the fans were making his life hell!
Hey "Mr on the pitch", theres no need to get all high a mighty about fans who choose to renew, there may be many legitimate reasons why they have to, such as cost or sitting with friends/family and they shouldnt have to be preached at. Its a persons individual choice.
Have had a season ticket for the past 25 years. This is the first time I have not renewed before the early bird deadline in any of those 25 years.
There is an outside chance I may renew before the start of the season but that is highly doubtful with the way I feel about our current owners.
As I sit in the lower west I will simply go game to game in the cheaper seats and ensure I do not spend more than the £625 I would have spent on mine and the kids seats across the season.
No way would I endorse this mob by giving my money up front.
I heard that under 1k tickets have been sold so far.
As a matter of interest, how does this compare to previous (normal) seasons. I guess a drop-off would be expected with relegation, so is this 20%, 40% or what lower than usual at this stage.
I'll have look at previous years when I get a chance, but there's always a big bulge in deadline week. So IF they've got about 1,000 now, I would guess it will be 3,000-plus by the end of the weekend. That number would be a complete and utter disaster by any standard back to 1997 though.
I heard that under 1k tickets have been sold so far.
As a matter of interest, how does this compare to previous (normal) seasons. I guess a drop-off would be expected with relegation, so is this 20%, 40% or what lower than usual at this stage.
I'll have look at previous years when I get a chance, but there's always a big bulge in deadline week. So IF they've got about 1,000 now, I would guess it will be 3,000-plus by the end of the weekend. That number would be a complete and utter disaster by any standard back to 1997 though.
I heard that under 1k tickets have been sold so far.
As a matter of interest, how does this compare to previous (normal) seasons. I guess a drop-off would be expected with relegation, so is this 20%, 40% or what lower than usual at this stage.
I'll have look at previous years when I get a chance, but there's always a big bulge in deadline week. So IF they've got about 1,000 now, I would guess it will be 3,000-plus by the end of the weekend. That number would be a complete and utter disaster by any standard back to 1997 though.
Disaster to who? The club or those protesting?
The club I would think, 3,000 will be pretty average considering the lower north pricing. What will be interesting is the clubs next move. Almost seems pointless from their side extending the deadline but suspect they will. On the other hand I wouldn't put it past them to be vindictive and just put all seats up for sale, probably start giving them away to any sponsors that are left.....
Well, I'm definitely not renewing before the deadline for the first I think in 23 years. Feel sad about it, but don't feel I can constantly moan about the regime and then give them my money with no real change seen.
Whether I'm out now until The RD era has completely gone, or just until KM has gone and there are clear signs of change abreast, really don't know at this point.
Regardless of whether I am renewing or not, I actually see some of the lack of pricing change bar the North Lower an insult and surprised more hasn't been made of it.
I heard that under 1k tickets have been sold so far.
As a matter of interest, how does this compare to previous (normal) seasons. I guess a drop-off would be expected with relegation, so is this 20%, 40% or what lower than usual at this stage.
I'll have look at previous years when I get a chance, but there's always a big bulge in deadline week. So IF they've got about 1,000 now, I would guess it will be 3,000-plus by the end of the weekend. That number would be a complete and utter disaster by any standard back to 1997 though.
Disaster to who? The club or those protesting?
The club I would think, 3,000 will be pretty average considering the lower north pricing. What will be interesting is the clubs next move. Almost seems pointless from their side extending the deadline but suspect they will. On the other hand I wouldn't put it past them to be vindictive and just put all seats up for sale, probably start giving them away to any sponsors that are left.....
You might be right as very few of their decisions have made any logical or commercial sense to date, but there must be someone still in the building that will recommend that they don't. It's a massive gamble, especially bearing in mind that many are 'proposing' to buy their seat later than usual but are not sure they want to give up their seat permanently.
Lots of people are delaying the renewal of their ST purchase, as a protest against the current owners. Would it be a good idea to use this fact to "entice" potential new owners?
My suggestion is that CARD could keep and publish a list of fans (without releasing any names) who have committed that they *will* renew when there is a new owner. On top of that, anyone making that pledge could be persuaded to deposit a refundable downpayment. Say 10% of the ST price.
CARD could hold that in escrow to be either released back to the fans or to the new owners as part-payment for a ST.
It would create fantastic PR if CARD could show new owners that they can drive more support than can be created by RD and KM alone.
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Whether I'm out now until The RD era has completely gone, or just until KM has gone and there are clear signs of change abreast, really don't know at this point.
Regardless of whether I am renewing or not, I actually see some of the lack of pricing change bar the North Lower an insult and surprised more hasn't been made of it.
Miss Whiplash.
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As has been said financial pressure is probably our best chance of success along with embarrassment.
We'll use the opportunity to move around the stands to empty seats to decide where our triumphal season tickets will be bought after Rowland has either done one or changed his senior management team for a competent one.
I bought a ST for next season so I guess I've betrayed the boycotters, just like I guess I did when I still supported the team during the Glikstein years and we only had 3k turning up at the valley and I continued to support the team when they played at selhurst and Upton Park...of course, if everybody had boycotted in the past there would be no fcking charlton athletic today for you to boycott...perhaps that's the tag line for the next poster with a little kid's picture asking 'who is he going to boycott in the future if you don't boycott with him today ?'
The match day protests are probably the more effective because they are the ones that get reported and cause the most inconvenience but the trouble with that is you have to be at the fcking game to make your voice heard
There are going to be more boycotters than new buyers.
How many season tickets do we have in total right now ? 8,000 ?
Just over 10000 I believe
1. I'm 62 so not renewing will mean I fall in the trap of if I want to renew in the future I'll have to pay the adult price.
2. I still want to watch my club whoever the owners are or whatever league we are in.
3. I am still hoping that the owners are learning from their mistakes, probably the biggest one was appointing Freye, who was poor.
4. Living in Manchester, I enjoy coming down to London to meet up with mates, go through all the pre match ritual of pub and chat and beer.
5. I have only missed 4 games home and away all season, and will enjoy going to some new grounds, although I am gutted to get relegated, as I think the Championship is a great league.
So overall, is this the correct decision to make? I'm probably renewing for selfish reasons. I enjoy watching football, Charlton are my team, I'm retired so can spend time on my hobby and will continue to do so.
If there are more then protests continue as I see it.
No doubt it will be an odd feeling when the new season comes around. The ritual of going to The Valley, first with my Dad and now with my son, has been such a big part of my life for over 40 years, but I will not under any circumstances give my tacit support to the people who are destroying our club.
I detest these people for what they have done to our proud club and I pray they lose out, both financially and reputationally, when they finally try to extricate themselves from the mess they have created.
There is an outside chance I may renew before the start of the season but that is highly doubtful with the way I feel about our current owners.
As I sit in the lower west I will simply go game to game in the cheaper seats and ensure I do not spend more than the £625 I would have spent on mine and the kids seats across the season.
No way would I endorse this mob by giving my money up front.
The day they go I buy my usual 3 season tickets
Didn't he only leave because the promotion of St Truiden forced him to?
Anyway, all we need now is for St Truiden to get relegated to League One too and all our dreams will come true !
The club I would think, 3,000 will be pretty average considering the lower north pricing. What will be interesting is the clubs next move. Almost seems pointless from their side extending the deadline but suspect they will. On the other hand I wouldn't put it past them to be vindictive and just put all seats up for sale, probably start giving them away to any sponsors that are left.....
My suggestion is that CARD could keep and publish a list of fans (without releasing any names) who have committed that they *will* renew when there is a new owner. On top of that, anyone making that pledge could be persuaded to deposit a refundable downpayment. Say 10% of the ST price.
CARD could hold that in escrow to be either released back to the fans or to the new owners as part-payment for a ST.
It would create fantastic PR if CARD could show new owners that they can drive more support than can be created by RD and KM alone.