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  • C4FC4L1f3
    C4FC4L1f3 Posts: 1,917
    se9addick said:

    daveydanger said:

    C4FC4L1f3 said:



    He sold Standard because he wasn't making money and the fans were making his life hell!

    I don't mean to burst your bubble, but is this true? I thought he was impossible to shift, ignoring protests, threats, office break-ins etc

    Didn't he only leave because the promotion of St Truiden forced him to?
    I think you're correct, the alternative sounds better though.

    Anyway, all we need now is for St Truiden to get relegated to League One too and all our dreams will come true !
    It had nothing to do with it. Apparently he was forced out for safety reasons but he was already looking for a buyer before that.

    Also apparently the Belgian authority's had a hand in it

    Also the Belgian government made it easier for him to sell. Standard also are still owed him money.

    It is all very public in Belgium what happened.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,820
    And he sold it to a beard?
  • micks1950
    micks1950 Posts: 943
    Missed It said:

    cabbles said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Fiiish said:

    I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.

    Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.

    Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.

    No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions.
    Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds.
    Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
    I actually think @Fiiish sums it up perfectly. I have renewed. As stated before, I won't let RD drive me out of my club and doing something I've done every single Saturday since I was a kid. I understand this may not be the right thing to do if I want Roland to leave earlier, and I respect all those that have actually got the commitment to say they're not going to renew. However I am not betraying any fellow fans who have decided not to buy.
    I think everybody needs to stop with this hysterical 'betrayal' and 'scab' business. Everybody has to make their own decision for their own reasons and look themselves in the mirror. The 'holier-than-thous' throwing insults about doesn't help anyone.

    Its the fans against the Belgians, not the fans against each other.
    True - and I agree with that.

    But let's be clear what CARD is asking - which is that supporters delay renewing as long as possible.

    The club website says: "Fans can guarantee their seat and save up to £25 for the season until the early bird deadline on Saturday, April 16th"

    http://www.cafc.co.uk/tickets/season-tickets/index.aspx#MC5sARvQPZ7Ac0cY.99

    So in renewing now people are seeking to 'save' "up to £25" and/or worrying that the demand will be so high their current seat will be taken (which - unless you're currently in the newly 'cheap' lower north - seems improbable).

    Additionally, as happened 2 years ago, bearing in mind where we are now I think it's highly likely that the 'deadline' will be extended after the weekend 'due to our league position'.

    So I would have hoped that not renewing by Saturday wasn't too much to ask to support the ongoing protest ?

  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick Posts: 9,623
    1 light said:

    What will happen with all the protests in the ground if all these people don't renew? we've had a lot of media attention the last couple of games due to beach balls and stress balls on the pitch,surely if there's only about 3-4 thousand people in the ground dotted about the 3 stands then there will be no protests in the ground

    The problem with your argument is that it is far, far easier to get media attention in the second tier than the third.

    How much have you heard about Blackpool this season?
  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,846
    Chizz said:

    Lots of people are delaying the renewal of their ST purchase, as a protest against the current owners. Would it be a good idea to use this fact to "entice" potential new owners?

    My suggestion is that CARD could keep and publish a list of fans (without releasing any names) who have committed that they *will* renew when there is a new owner. On top of that, anyone making that pledge could be persuaded to deposit a refundable downpayment. Say 10% of the ST price.

    CARD could hold that in escrow to be either released back to the fans or to the new owners as part-payment for a ST.

    It would create fantastic PR if CARD could show new owners that they can drive more support than can be created by RD and KM alone.

    The pledge embedded in the survey does create that list of fans committing to return.

    The Escrow idea is really one for CAS Trust to consider and/or set up, as it was for the register.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,061
    The Organiser said:

    I just find it weird (unique) that some people will renew cos they don't want to lose a seat they've had for X amount of years. Can you really be that attached to a bit of plastic that's probably been replaced several times?
    I would have thought that even if your seat was sold you could still get one right in front, next to or behind it anyway, affording the exact same view, close to the exact same people (if that's a requirement) so I fail to see the issue.

    Not where I sit. When I look on the plan, everyone in my vicinity is a S/T seat.
  • Blucher
    Blucher Posts: 4,146
    For the first time in nearly 35 years, I will not have renewed prior to expiration of the 'early bird' offer. The probability is that I shall purchase tickets on a 'match by match' basis, subject to the proviso that I won't be spending more overall than I would have on a season ticket (in practice, I doubt I would - by much anyway - given other commitments). My son is taking the same approach.

    There is obviously a hassle in purchasing tickets for every game but there is little prospect that we won't be able to sit with, or near, our mates, given the virtual absence of any new season ticket holders. Apart from the fundamental point of not giving this failed regime any false hope that they have a future at the club, I don't want to be used by them to artificially inflate attendances in the event of a future match boycott. I think that exceptionally low attendances at the Valley (including very few away fans in League 1) are going to be a major pressure point and embarrassment to Duchâtelet and further tangible evidence of his abject failure.

    Depending upon how things develop, both on and off the field, there's also always the option of the half-season ticket if people are so inclined, although - absent Duchâtelet's departure or a serious challenge for promotion - the club may struggle to beat this season's total (unofficial estimates of which, from memory, ranged between 12 to just over 100).
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,190
    edited April 2016
    altrinchamaddick said:

    I've renewed mine for several reasons.
    1. I'm 62 so not renewing will mean I fall in the trap of if I want to renew in the future I'll have to pay the adult price.
    2. I still want to watch my club whoever the owners are or whatever league we are in.
    3. I am still hoping that the owners are learning from their mistakes, probably the biggest one was appointing Freye, who was poor.
    4. Living in Manchester, I enjoy coming down to London to meet up with mates, go through all the pre match ritual of pub and chat and beer.
    5. I have only missed 4 games home and away all season, and will enjoy going to some new grounds, although I am gutted to get relegated, as I think the Championship is a great league.

    So overall, is this the correct decision to make? I'm probably renewing for selfish reasons. I enjoy watching football, Charlton are my team, I'm retired so can spend time on my hobby and will continue to do so.

    I'm not renewing but I do not disagree with your final paragraph.

    They'll be gone eventually whilst we still remain at The Valley.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Desperate_Pete said:

    Fiiish said:

    I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.

    Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.

    Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.

    No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions.
    Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds.
    Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
    What a load of old bollocks.


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  • Rob7Lee
    Rob7Lee Posts: 9,617
    Covered End said:

    The Organiser said:

    I just find it weird (unique) that some people will renew cos they don't want to lose a seat they've had for X amount of years. Can you really be that attached to a bit of plastic that's probably been replaced several times?
    I would have thought that even if your seat was sold you could still get one right in front, next to or behind it anyway, affording the exact same view, close to the exact same people (if that's a requirement) so I fail to see the issue.

    Not where I sit. When I look on the plan, everyone in my vicinity is a S/T seat.
    Same for me, I couldn't get anywhere even near my seat assuming those around me renew (which they have said they will/have and at least a few will buy my seat if I don't!)
  • Desperate_Pete
    Desperate_Pete Posts: 230
    Addickted said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Fiiish said:

    I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.

    Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.

    Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.

    No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions.
    Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds.
    Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
    What a load of old bollocks.

    Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man.
    PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,282
    edited April 2016
    Desperate_Pete said:

    Addickted said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Fiiish said:

    I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.

    Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.

    Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.

    No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions.
    Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds.
    Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
    What a load of old bollocks.

    Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man.
    PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
    Desperate was certainly a good choice of user name

  • Desperate_Pete
    Desperate_Pete Posts: 230
    Henry Irving said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Addickted said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Fiiish said:

    I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.

    Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.

    Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.

    No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions.
    Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds.
    Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
    What a load of old bollocks.

    Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man.
    PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
    Desperate was certainly a good choice of user name

    Thank you for your response Henry. So we shall take it that you will renew your season ticket!
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 5,990
    I was certain that nothing would ever persuade me to not renew a few months back. Now a complete u-turn. The regime have worn me down and I will buy tickets on a match to match basis so Roly doesn't have my money up front to spend on any more bollox.

    It almost feels that 'enjoying' anything at the Valley is like saying the regime are OK - my presence there would suggest to them that no matter what they do I can't keep away. Despite the result at QPR I enjoyed going. More away games for me next season.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,914
    Ah, the warrior returns to the fray. Fighting for justice in his own way and rubbing everyone up the wrong way in the process.
  • Simon E
    Simon E Posts: 806
    I'm holding my money back until July, as CARD requested, and nearly everyone I know is doing the same. Whether I renew after that, I still haven't decided. I'll make the toxic regime sweat for it. Even in previous relegations I've always renewed during the early bird period, so holding back is a big statement from me. Like I said, still not decided what i'll do in July, yet. It will be an automatic renew if they sell up though.

    Match days for me, and the wife and kids, is a family activity. That's why I can't just say that I'm not going anymore, and why renewing or not is such a tough decision to make. If i'm honest, i'm not looking forward to July, when I'll actually have to decide what to do for next year.

  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,282
    Desperate_Pete said:

    Henry Irving said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Addickted said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Fiiish said:

    I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.

    Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.

    Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.

    No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions.
    Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds.
    Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
    What a load of old bollocks.

    Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man.
    PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
    Desperate was certainly a good choice of user name

    Thank you for your response Henry. So we shall take it that you will renew your season ticket!
    Clearly you are "desperate" to get a response from me and I know shouldn't feed that need. I know you're still upset that I showed Karel "I'll be co-ordinating the network" Fraeye up as the fraud and liar he is but you are getting a bit stalkerish now.

    Not sure why you what care what I do but as you well now I haven't made my mind up yet.

    I won't renew before the deadline and will wait until July before deciding even though I might risk the very good seats I have in the East.

    If you think that makes you a better fan/person and want to use that as a stick to try beat me with, then go ahead. Water, ducks' back.

    I think you'll find that many of the most active protesters, such as Addickted who is one of the Belgium 20 and Covered End, will or already have decided to renew. Wouldn't be surprised some of CARD renew either but I haven't spoken to them all about it and ultimately that is their personal choice, just like it will be mine.

    Enjoy wearing your black and white scarf. Back to ignore mode

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  • Dansk_Red
    Dansk_Red Posts: 5,730
    edited April 2016
    At present there are approx 1300 seats available in the lower north, if you take the seats being held by ST holder at present at 1000 (my estimate), that would mean that approx 1100 seats have been sold to "new" fans or those relocating, but if the existing ST holders is in the region of 1500, the figure would reduce to approx 600.
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,252
    edited April 2016
    I'm just looking forward to my phone call from the club asking why I'm not renewing after 26 seasons. No need for me to be rude to the person at the other end. He/she are only doing their job, but being polite and honest to them is a given.

    When the fixtures come out in June, I shall work out how many home games I can attend without using annual leave. Around a dozen games at a guess in the cheapest seats possible. Provided I don't spend anymore than 475 notes then the rant is out of pocket. If by some miracle he has sold up, then I will purchase a season ticket once again.

    At the end of the day it's everyone's own decision what they decide to do. I would not tell anyone how to spend their money and I would take offence if it was the other way around. There is no need to get the arse with anyone on here if they decide to buy or not buy a season ticket for next season. Be respectful
  • Oh_Yoni_Boy
    Oh_Yoni_Boy Posts: 1,762
    AFKABartram said:

    Turn in the personals for Christ sake. Childish

    Boooo, this had the potential to make it to the arguments thread. Feel like the teacher has just waded in.
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,653
    edited April 2016
    AFKABartram said:

    Turn in the personals for Christ sake. Childish

    Childish, or calculated ?

    Driving a wedge between fans would be one way of breaking up the protest.

    Die-hard fans know they are going to turn up next season whatever happens so they might as well renew their season ticket before the deadline. We've all been there, done that, got the T shirt.

    The rest can make there own minds up but trying to threaten, intimidate or emotionally blackmail people not to renew is just not on.

    And I still believe we should pile into those 3,400 cheap tickets in the lower north asap. We've got a great opportunity to set the pricing level for the next few seasons at least. If nothing else, we could achieve affordable football at the valley whether Roland goes or stays.



  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,734
    The Organiser said:

    I just find it weird (unique) that some people will renew cos they don't want to lose a seat they've had for X amount of years. Can you really be that attached to a bit of plastic that's probably been replaced several times?
    I would have thought that even if your seat was sold you could still get one right in front, next to or behind it anyway, affording the exact same view, close to the exact same people (if that's a requirement) so I fail to see the issue.

    It is weird (unique) but yes I do have a very strong attachment to my bit of plastic... Not even I can explain it

    (Yet nor have I renewed yet)
  • Desperate_Pete
    Desperate_Pete Posts: 230
    Henry Irving said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Henry Irving said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Addickted said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Fiiish said:

    I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.

    Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.

    Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.

    No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions.
    Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds.
    Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
    What a load of old bollocks.

    Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man.
    PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
    Desperate was certainly a good choice of user name

    Thank you for your response Henry. So we shall take it that you will renew your season ticket!
    Clearly you are "desperate" to get a response from me and I know shouldn't feed that need. I know you're still upset that I showed Karel "I'll be co-ordinating the network" Fraeye up as the fraud and liar he is but you are getting a bit stalkerish now.

    Not sure why you what care what I do but as you well now I haven't made my mind up yet.

    I won't renew before the deadline and will wait until July before deciding even though I might risk the very good seats I have in the East.

    If you think that makes you a better fan/person and want to use that as a stick to try beat me with, then go ahead. Water, ducks' back.

    I think you'll find that many of the most active protesters, such as Addickted who is one of the Belgium 20 and Covered End, will or already have decided to renew. Wouldn't be surprised some of CARD renew either but I haven't spoken to them all about it and ultimately that is their personal choice, just like it will be mine.

    Enjoy wearing your black and white scarf. Back to ignore mode
    Not upset at all with you Henry. You have attempted to show Karel Fraeye as a 'fraud and a liar' but only with supposition, anyway the post and my concern is about getting rid of Roland and this is what I commented on. It is not a competition about who is a bigger supporter etc but what should be done in my opinion to achieve our common end.
    Comments like 'what a load of bollocks' is not much of considered reply even coming from one of the '20'. For what it's worth I am also risking my good seat in the East stand by boycotting but enjoy yours and please keep to your rather condescending 'back to ignore mode'.

    Totally respect Covered End's response btw.

  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,914
    Desperate_Pete said:

    Henry Irving said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Henry Irving said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Addickted said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Fiiish said:

    I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.

    Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.

    Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.

    No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions.
    Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds.
    Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
    What a load of old bollocks.

    Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man.
    PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
    Desperate was certainly a good choice of user name

    Thank you for your response Henry. So we shall take it that you will renew your season ticket!
    Clearly you are "desperate" to get a response from me and I know shouldn't feed that need. I know you're still upset that I showed Karel "I'll be co-ordinating the network" Fraeye up as the fraud and liar he is but you are getting a bit stalkerish now.

    Not sure why you what care what I do but as you well now I haven't made my mind up yet.

    I won't renew before the deadline and will wait until July before deciding even though I might risk the very good seats I have in the East.

    If you think that makes you a better fan/person and want to use that as a stick to try beat me with, then go ahead. Water, ducks' back.

    I think you'll find that many of the most active protesters, such as Addickted who is one of the Belgium 20 and Covered End, will or already have decided to renew. Wouldn't be surprised some of CARD renew either but I haven't spoken to them all about it and ultimately that is their personal choice, just like it will be mine.

    Enjoy wearing your black and white scarf. Back to ignore mode
    Not upset at all with you Henry. You have attempted to show Karel Fraeye as a 'fraud and a liar' but only with supposition, anyway the post and my concern is about getting rid of Roland and this is what I commented on. It is not a competition about who is a bigger supporter etc but what should be done in my opinion to achieve our common end.

    That'll be where you're going wrong then!
  • WestCountryAddick
    WestCountryAddick Posts: 2,545
    Desperate_Pete said:

    Henry Irving said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Henry Irving said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Addickted said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Fiiish said:

    I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.

    Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.

    Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.

    No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions.
    Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds.
    Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
    What a load of old bollocks.

    Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man.
    PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
    Desperate was certainly a good choice of user name

    Thank you for your response Henry. So we shall take it that you will renew your season ticket!
    Clearly you are "desperate" to get a response from me and I know shouldn't feed that need. I know you're still upset that I showed Karel "I'll be co-ordinating the network" Fraeye up as the fraud and liar he is but you are getting a bit stalkerish now.

    Not sure why you what care what I do but as you well now I haven't made my mind up yet.

    I won't renew before the deadline and will wait until July before deciding even though I might risk the very good seats I have in the East.

    If you think that makes you a better fan/person and want to use that as a stick to try beat me with, then go ahead. Water, ducks' back.

    I think you'll find that many of the most active protesters, such as Addickted who is one of the Belgium 20 and Covered End, will or already have decided to renew. Wouldn't be surprised some of CARD renew either but I haven't spoken to them all about it and ultimately that is their personal choice, just like it will be mine.

    Enjoy wearing your black and white scarf. Back to ignore mode
    Not upset at all with you Henry. You have attempted to show Karel Fraeye as a 'fraud and a liar' but only with supposition, anyway the post and my concern is about getting rid of Roland and this is what I commented on. It is not a competition about who is a bigger supporter etc but what should be done in my opinion to achieve our common end.
    Comments like 'what a load of bollocks' is not much of considered reply even coming from one of the '20'. For what it's worth I am also risking my good seat in the East stand by boycotting but enjoy yours and please keep to your rather condescending 'back to ignore mode'.

    Totally respect Covered End's response btw.

    Karel showed HIMSELF to be a fraud and a liar. Didn't need Henry's help.
  • andynelson
    andynelson Posts: 1,951
    I'll be acting as a customer of a restaurant would if he was repeatedly served rotten food and told it would be better next time. Away games only.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Desperate_Pete said:

    Addickted said:

    Desperate_Pete said:

    Fiiish said:

    I am still willing to believe that there are over a thousand current ST holders who still have no idea what CARD is or why there are protests.

    Some people just turn up to watch the football and support the team, regardless of who the owner is or who is pulling on the shirt.

    Of course there are plenty of CARD supporters/protesters who have renewed since they are going to be continuing the protests in the ground and also because they also love the club too much to not turn up. Fair play to 'em. Lets not re-open the argument over whether ST renewers are not being serious about RD back, I know several ST renewers who I would never question their commitment to getting rid of the Belgians.

    No, with respect I do not agree with you at all. If you love the club too much one does not buy a season ticket! Best protest is an empty seat and one can still protest in the car park and with other actions.
    Only supporter I would exempt is someone like Kyle A on medical grounds.
    Every season ticket bought is a betrayal of those supporters who make the sacrifice not to buy.
    What a load of old bollocks.

    Pithy comment but perhaps you might explain why this is a 'load of old bollocks' my good man.
    PS. Thanks for another lol Henry. Guess we all know what you will be doing......
    It's a load of old bollocks that you should tell me what I can and cannot do with my money. 'Best protest' is you opinion, not mine or several other people who will renew later in the year.

    You wouldn't have a clue what true betrayal and sacrifice are.

    Just a quick question Pete, are you now a current ST holder and when did you last go to a game?

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