Just to elaborate if I may - the purpose of our protest should be to try and change the way they are going about things - its not that we don't know what there aims / objectives are - we do and its tedious keep asking what they are. We need them to accept that they may need to adjust by bringing in a 'proper' manager and some proven championship quality players to help in the short to mid term - that is what this protest should be about. I also think that a lot of you will look back and be embarrassed with the way you have treated / referred to a woman who (however inexperienced in her position she may be) is just a human being doing her best - You really all need to take a step back before you lose all credibility.
They said in the video that if KF does Ok he will stay. Wise up we are stuck with KF, there is no ongoing search, if KF loses the best 5-6 matches then they will install another Roland puppet, its what they do.
It was said in the video that Charlton are not known as having an aggressive fanbase. So for grown men and women (yes there were women there too, KM failed to mention that) to stage a protest, the club have monumentally f**ked up. So she got called a few names etc, tough f**king shit, football is about passion, its tribal, KM with her 'little girl lost' face trying to garner sympathy was pathetic, if she was a 60 year old bloke the same things would have been said, so she appears to not have a bloody clue what she has done and does not understand football and our club, and judging by your constant snipes at the protests then you understand as much about our club as KM does.
I didn't say the protest was pointless - I said the black and white, write it down thing was - I also said the protest should be about changing things but I stand by my statement - grown men f'ing and blinding, getting personal and all the rest of it - sort yourself out. Season ticket holder continuous since 1 was 12 - now 44. selhurst, west ham , valley before and after, helped club re build ground when came back, helped with leaflets for campaign etc etc - understand fully what its all about but I wouldn't expect you to take a step back and realise how ridiculous you sound so you crack on.
Another one who wasn't there.......but knows it all! Sad.
Greenie you only jumped on the bandwagon of the 'anti Belgian's brigade' a couple of weeks ago.
Stop digging others out for not being there, in almost every video from the event abuse can be heard... that's not acceptable in my books, it makes us look pathetic.
The number of people on CL standing up for that behaviour is actually more disappointing to me than the few that actually were being abusive.
Just to elaborate if I may - the purpose of our protest should be to try and change the way they are going about things - its not that we don't know what there aims / objectives are - we do and its tedious keep asking what they are. We need them to accept that they may need to adjust by bringing in a 'proper' manager and some proven championship quality players to help in the short to mid term - that is what this protest should be about. I also think that a lot of you will look back and be embarrassed with the way you have treated / referred to a woman who (however inexperienced in her position she may be) is just a human being doing her best - You really all need to take a step back before you lose all credibility.
They said in the video that if KF does Ok he will stay. Wise up we are stuck with KF, there is no ongoing search, if KF loses the best 5-6 matches then they will install another Roland puppet, its what they do.
It was said in the video that Charlton are not known as having an aggressive fanbase. So for grown men and women (yes there were women there too, KM failed to mention that) to stage a protest, the club have monumentally f**ked up. So she got called a few names etc, tough f**king shit, football is about passion, its tribal, KM with her 'little girl lost' face trying to garner sympathy was pathetic, if she was a 60 year old bloke the same things would have been said, so she appears to not have a bloody clue what she has done and does not understand football and our club, and judging by your constant snipes at the protests then you understand as much about our club as KM does.
I didn't say the protest was pointless - I said the black and white, write it down thing was - I also said the protest should be about changing things but I stand by my statement - grown men f'ing and blinding, getting personal and all the rest of it - sort yourself out. Season ticket holder continuous since 1 was 12 - now 44. selhurst, west ham , valley before and after, helped club re build ground when came back, helped with leaflets for campaign etc etc - understand fully what its all about but I wouldn't expect you to take a step back and realise how ridiculous you sound so you crack on.
Another one who wasn't there.......but knows it all! Sad.
There were quite a lot of people who were not there
Greenie you only jumped on the bandwagon of the 'anti Belgian's brigade' a couple of weeks ago.
Stop digging others out for not being there, in almost every video from the event abuse can be heard... that's not acceptable in my books, it makes us look pathetic.
The number of people on CL standing up for that behaviour is actually more disappointing to me than the few that actually were being abusive.
Just how far can you miss the point??? You weren't there so you can't make an informed opinion.
Greenie you only jumped on the bandwagon of the 'anti Belgian's brigade' a couple of weeks ago.
Stop digging others out for not being there, in almost every video from the event abuse can be heard... that's not acceptable in my books, it makes us look pathetic.
The number of people on CL standing up for that behaviour is actually more disappointing to me than the few that actually were being abusive.
Just how far can you miss the point??? You weren't there so you can't make an informed opinion.
You weren't at the Q & A the other night. Do you have no opinion on it ?
Just how far can you miss the point??? You weren't there so you can't make an informed opinion.
Agree if you weren't there it is hard to comment on specific incidents but we can still have an opinion. To suggest otherwise is rather like the footballers who argue only someone who had played top-flight football should dare to criticise them
Greenie you only jumped on the bandwagon of the 'anti Belgian's brigade' a couple of weeks ago.
Stop digging others out for not being there, in almost every video from the event abuse can be heard... that's not acceptable in my books, it makes us look pathetic.
The number of people on CL standing up for that behaviour is actually more disappointing to me than the few that actually were being abusive.
Just how far can you miss the point??? You weren't there so you can't make an informed opinion.
You weren't at the Q & A the other night. Do you have no opinion on it ?
Once and once only just so you know. I don't want to interact with you on this forum.
Do we not think the whole PowerPoint thing is in response to the black and white thing? Told u its a pointless campaign -all we want is a decent manager and team
So pointless that she noticed it, is aware of it and tried, and failed, to address it.
I'm fine if people don't agree with the aims or think it doesn't go far enough but to claim that it is pointless when it is clearly hitting home is ludicrous.
It's been going for about two weeks and it has already been responded to.
Sure, she trying to laugh it off but that because she doesn't have an adult response.
and what did it achieve? her putting down in black and white on a powerpoint presentation what she has already stated previously - there again, we all have different agendas - as I state - 99% just want some action rather than words - playersa nd a manager - others hate being cut off from the communication and can't get over it - you need to get over yourselves
"and what did it achieve"
Come on, the spell it out idea has been going for two weeks and your already talking about it in the past tense. It's not even really got started yet but you expect it to have solved all the problems in no time at all?
It has only just started. It has gained a small victory in getting noticed by fans, by the media and by it's target. That is a start but only just a start.
"others hate being cut off from the communication and can't get over it - you need to get over yourselves"
Really? Shows that your attacks are nothing to do with Spell it out but something else. People, lots of people, want to know how the club is being run and that it is moving forward. Nothing wrong with that and nothing to "get over".
Greenie you only jumped on the bandwagon of the 'anti Belgian's brigade' a couple of weeks ago.
Stop digging others out for not being there, in almost every video from the event abuse can be heard... that's not acceptable in my books, it makes us look pathetic.
The number of people on CL standing up for that behaviour is actually more disappointing to me than the few that actually were being abusive.
Just how far can you miss the point??? You weren't there so you can't make an informed opinion.
You weren't at the Q & A the other night. Do you have no opinion on it ?
Once and once only just so you know. I don't want to interact with you on this forum.
I feel the Powerpoint presentation was directed more at Roly to convince him she is doing a good job. However, I don't think he is that dumb. Maybe her days are numbered? And maybe she knows it.
The video was definitely aimed at fans. In various conversations I had on Saturday around the Valley I was told:
(a) they understand why fans are protesting - that things on the pitch are not going well. (b) the key focus at the moment is what happens on the pitch and getting the team out of the hole they are in. Everything else is secondary. (c) the club hasn't got all the positive messages out about what is going on behind the scenes and this needs to happen to show fans the good stuff (d) RD is making investments for the long term future of the club and the kids zone is an example of this. He is apparently trying to change the culture of short-termism of football ownership by having a long term plan for the club
I am pretty sure that the presentation is in response to (c) above as it fits in with what was said to me. I suspect they thought that if they get the right positive message out then people would have better understanding and that would help defuse the protest before the meeting started.
So my guess is that they will be disappointed that it didn't have desired effect. Unfortunately this exercise just shows, at best, a complete naivety about what people really feel and the depth of feeling. A powerpoint presentation of nice things will not change why people are angry.
Just to be clear, I am not an apologist for this view of the world. I only share what I was told as it provides a possible context for purpose of the presentation.
I agree RD is right to have a long term plan and I think we are all extremely happy with that.
It's having no coherent short & medium term plan, that is the problem.
Greenie you only jumped on the bandwagon of the 'anti Belgian's brigade' a couple of weeks ago.
Stop digging others out for not being there, in almost every video from the event abuse can be heard... that's not acceptable in my books, it makes us look pathetic.
The number of people on CL standing up for that behaviour is actually more disappointing to me than the few that actually were being abusive.
Just how far can you miss the point??? You weren't there so you can't make an informed opinion.
You weren't at the Q & A the other night. Do you have no opinion on it ?
Once and once only just so you know. I don't want to interact with you on this forum.
Just to elaborate if I may - the purpose of our protest should be to try and change the way they are going about things - its not that we don't know what there aims / objectives are - we do and its tedious keep asking what they are. We need them to accept that they may need to adjust by bringing in a 'proper' manager and some proven championship quality players to help in the short to mid term - that is what this protest should be about. I also think that a lot of you will look back and be embarrassed with the way you have treated / referred to a woman who (however inexperienced in her position she may be) is just a human being doing her best - You really all need to take a step back before you lose all credibility.
They said in the video that if KF does Ok he will stay. Wise up we are stuck with KF, there is no ongoing search, if KF loses the best 5-6 matches then they will install another Roland puppet, its what they do.
It was said in the video that Charlton are not known as having an aggressive fanbase. So for grown men and women (yes there were women there too, KM failed to mention that) to stage a protest, the club have monumentally f**ked up. So she got called a few names etc, tough f**king shit, football is about passion, its tribal, KM with her 'little girl lost' face trying to garner sympathy was pathetic, if she was a 60 year old bloke the same things would have been said, so she appears to not have a bloody clue what she has done and does not understand football and our club, and judging by your constant snipes at the protests then you understand as much about our club as KM does.
I didn't say the protest was pointless - I said the black and white, write it down thing was - I also said the protest should be about changing things but I stand by my statement - grown men f'ing and blinding, getting personal and all the rest of it - sort yourself out. Season ticket holder continuous since 1 was 12 - now 44. selhurst, west ham , valley before and after, helped club re build ground when came back, helped with leaflets for campaign etc etc - understand fully what its all about but I wouldn't expect you to take a step back and realise how ridiculous you sound so you crack on.
Another one who wasn't there.......but knows it all! Sad.
There were quite a lot of people who were not there
Just to elaborate if I may - the purpose of our protest should be to try and change the way they are going about things - its not that we don't know what there aims / objectives are - we do and its tedious keep asking what they are. We need them to accept that they may need to adjust by bringing in a 'proper' manager and some proven championship quality players to help in the short to mid term - that is what this protest should be about. I also think that a lot of you will look back and be embarrassed with the way you have treated / referred to a woman who (however inexperienced in her position she may be) is just a human being doing her best - You really all need to take a step back before you lose all credibility.
They said in the video that if KF does Ok he will stay. Wise up we are stuck with KF, there is no ongoing search, if KF loses the best 5-6 matches then they will install another Roland puppet, its what they do.
It was said in the video that Charlton are not known as having an aggressive fanbase. So for grown men and women (yes there were women there too, KM failed to mention that) to stage a protest, the club have monumentally f**ked up. So she got called a few names etc, tough f**king shit, football is about passion, its tribal, KM with her 'little girl lost' face trying to garner sympathy was pathetic, if she was a 60 year old bloke the same things would have been said, so she appears to not have a bloody clue what she has done and does not understand football and our club, and judging by your constant snipes at the protests then you understand as much about our club as KM does.
I didn't say the protest was pointless - I said the black and white, write it down thing was - I also said the protest should be about changing things but I stand by my statement - grown men f'ing and blinding, getting personal and all the rest of it - sort yourself out. Season ticket holder continuous since 1 was 12 - now 44. selhurst, west ham , valley before and after, helped club re build ground when came back, helped with leaflets for campaign etc etc - understand fully what its all about but I wouldn't expect you to take a step back and realise how ridiculous you sound so you crack on.
Another one who wasn't there.......but knows it all! Sad.
Do we not think the whole PowerPoint thing is in response to the black and white thing? Told u its a pointless campaign -all we want is a decent manager and team
So pointless that she noticed it, is aware of it and tried, and failed, to address it.
I'm fine if people don't agree with the aims or think it doesn't go far enough but to claim that it is pointless when it is clearly hitting home is ludicrous.
It's been going for about two weeks and it has already been responded to.
Sure, she trying to laugh it off but that because she doesn't have an adult response.
and what did it achieve? her putting down in black and white on a powerpoint presentation what she has already stated previously - there again, we all have different agendas - as I state - 99% just want some action rather than words - playersa nd a manager - others hate being cut off from the communication and can't get over it - you need to get over yourselves
"and what did it achieve"
Come on, the spell it out idea has been going for two weeks and your already talking about it in the past tense. It's not even really got started yet but you expect it to have solved all the problems in no time at all?
It has only just started. It has gained a small victory in getting noticed by fans, by the media and by it's target. That is a start but only just a start.
"others hate being cut off from the communication and can't get over it - you need to get over yourselves"
Really? Shows that your attacks are nothing to do with Spell it out but something else. People, lots of people, want to know how the club is being run and that it is moving forward. Nothing wrong with that and nothing to "get over".
I have no agenda just can't believe the nonsense that is going on - we know what their game plan is, it just isn't working - that is the problem
Just to elaborate if I may - the purpose of our protest should be to try and change the way they are going about things - its not that we don't know what there aims / objectives are - we do and its tedious keep asking what they are. We need them to accept that they may need to adjust by bringing in a 'proper' manager and some proven championship quality players to help in the short to mid term - that is what this protest should be about. I also think that a lot of you will look back and be embarrassed with the way you have treated / referred to a woman who (however inexperienced in her position she may be) is just a human being doing her best - You really all need to take a step back before you lose all credibility.
They said in the video that if KF does Ok he will stay. Wise up we are stuck with KF, there is no ongoing search, if KF loses the best 5-6 matches then they will install another Roland puppet, its what they do.
It was said in the video that Charlton are not known as having an aggressive fanbase. So for grown men and women (yes there were women there too, KM failed to mention that) to stage a protest, the club have monumentally f**ked up. So she got called a few names etc, tough f**king shit, football is about passion, its tribal, KM with her 'little girl lost' face trying to garner sympathy was pathetic, if she was a 60 year old bloke the same things would have been said, so she appears to not have a bloody clue what she has done and does not understand football and our club, and judging by your constant snipes at the protests then you understand as much about our club as KM does.
I didn't say the protest was pointless - I said the black and white, write it down thing was - I also said the protest should be about changing things but I stand by my statement - grown men f'ing and blinding, getting personal and all the rest of it - sort yourself out. Season ticket holder continuous since 1 was 12 - now 44. selhurst, west ham , valley before and after, helped club re build ground when came back, helped with leaflets for campaign etc etc - understand fully what its all about but I wouldn't expect you to take a step back and realise how ridiculous you sound so you crack on.
Another one who wasn't there.......but knows it all! Sad.
Just to elaborate if I may - the purpose of our protest should be to try and change the way they are going about things - its not that we don't know what there aims / objectives are - we do and its tedious keep asking what they are. We need them to accept that they may need to adjust by bringing in a 'proper' manager and some proven championship quality players to help in the short to mid term - that is what this protest should be about. I also think that a lot of you will look back and be embarrassed with the way you have treated / referred to a woman who (however inexperienced in her position she may be) is just a human being doing her best - You really all need to take a step back before you lose all credibility.
They said in the video that if KF does Ok he will stay. Wise up we are stuck with KF, there is no ongoing search, if KF loses the best 5-6 matches then they will install another Roland puppet, its what they do.
It was said in the video that Charlton are not known as having an aggressive fanbase. So for grown men and women (yes there were women there too, KM failed to mention that) to stage a protest, the club have monumentally f**ked up. So she got called a few names etc, tough f**king shit, football is about passion, its tribal, KM with her 'little girl lost' face trying to garner sympathy was pathetic, if she was a 60 year old bloke the same things would have been said, so she appears to not have a bloody clue what she has done and does not understand football and our club, and judging by your constant snipes at the protests then you understand as much about our club as KM does.
I didn't say the protest was pointless - I said the black and white, write it down thing was - I also said the protest should be about changing things but I stand by my statement - grown men f'ing and blinding, getting personal and all the rest of it - sort yourself out. Season ticket holder continuous since 1 was 12 - now 44. selhurst, west ham , valley before and after, helped club re build ground when came back, helped with leaflets for campaign etc etc - understand fully what its all about but I wouldn't expect you to take a step back and realise how ridiculous you sound so you crack on.
Another one who wasn't there.......but knows it all! Sad.
Wasn't where? I was at the protest and I've been at virtually every game since 1980 - I don't like the way things r going but you are an embarrassment
I don't think there was anything intrinsically wrong with starting the meeting with a presentation. She would have been painfully aware of peoples' concerns beforehand, so taking ten minutes to 'spell it out' was potentially a very good use of time. The presentation failed though, not because of the format but because it lacked substance. What she presented as objectives, was far too wooly and lacking in specifics to be called a objectives. Aims maybe, just about, but not objectives. As for strategy, we are still in the dark, because there was absolutely nothing there that's strategic at all.
The condescending 'I've told you this before' comments were just awful on two counts: Firstly, because she hasn't. Secondly, because she was belittling her audience rather than genuinely trying to engage.
As someone who should have been aware at the start how low her credibility was, she really needed to focus on achievements. The trouble is though, that because they are so thin she brought in stuff that's not an achievement at all. The sofa is the best example of this. I honestly thought that the sofa was a marketing ploy by a furniture company, something the club could earn a few quid from but nothing serious. Some find it annoying, some claim it to be embarrassing, but in reality it's pretty benign. But Katrien, she's bigging it up like it's the best brainchild she's ever had (and perhaps it is). With this nonsense included as an achievement, nothing else she said was ever going to cut much ice.
People have questioned why those in the audience didn't ask questions when she invited them. The real reason has far more to do with her poor presentation skills than with the audience. There was no time at all between her inviting questions and then moving on to the next section. Any presenter worth their salt knows that if you want questions you need to ask for them, pause, scan the room, pause again and maybe ask again to give people the the chance to switch their frame of mind from 'I'm being lectured at' to 'now's my chance to speak'. Poor little Katrien did done of that though, so her audience never had the chance to make that mental switch before being whisked off into the next round of fantasyland aspirations.
Re Season tickets, and KMs claim that there were 1100 new season ticket holders this season.
For balance, I would like to know how many season tickets were not renewed this season, and how many current season ticket holders are not actually using them/coming to games. The latter information must be available to the club via the new ticket readers data-banks.
Re Season tickets, and KMs claim that there were 1100 new season ticket holders this season.
For balance, I would like to know how many season tickets were not renewed this season, and how many current season ticket holders are not actually using them/coming to games. The latter information must be available to the club via the new ticket readers data-banks.
Exactly. Useful information would be the net figure.
It's like saying 9m of player purchases is a good thing. It's half the information - what about sales? No point in looking at debits and not credits. Pretty basic stuff.
She's just not very good at being a CEO at all, and lacks professional maturity (as seen by the photo at the window and laughing). She's way out of her depth and now people are honing in on it the natural thing is to get sulky, defensive and lean on pathetic arguments such as the nasty men being mean.
Greenie you only jumped on the bandwagon of the 'anti Belgian's brigade' a couple of weeks ago.
Stop digging others out for not being there, in almost every video from the event abuse can be heard... that's not acceptable in my books, it makes us look pathetic.
The number of people on CL standing up for that behaviour is actually more disappointing to me than the few that actually were being abusive.
I don't think many are standing up for 'that' behaviour, just stating that the fact that it is getting 99% of the conversation is not representative of what actually happened. It was a few idiots for a small proportion of the time yet has been used to divert the conversation away from the fact that a historically patient and docile fanbase are so disillusioned that they have found cause to protest.
Anyone that runs a business knows that for every complaint received there are many more dissatisfied customers. If 2% of the fanbase are taking the time to protest then in all likelihood 30% or more are unhappy. If KM honestly believes that the 2% (which is a made up number that is fast becoming accepted as fact) that protested represents the full scale of the discontent then she is very naive.
First and foremost the personal abuse was and is unacceptable, added to that, it actually does a disservice to the fans that had a message that they wanted to get across as it then becomes discredited.
Greenie you only jumped on the bandwagon of the 'anti Belgian's brigade' a couple of weeks ago.
Stop digging others out for not being there, in almost every video from the event abuse can be heard... that's not acceptable in my books, it makes us look pathetic.
The number of people on CL standing up for that behaviour is actually more disappointing to me than the few that actually were being abusive.
I don't think many are standing up for 'that' behaviour, just stating that the fact that it is getting 99% of the conversation is not representative of what actually happened. It was a few idiots for a small proportion of the time yet has been used to divert the conversation away from the fact that a historically patient and docile fanbase are so disillusioned that they have found cause to protest.
Anyone that runs a business knows that for every complaint received there are many more dissatisfied customers. If 2% of the fanbase are taking the time to protest then in all likelihood 30% or more are unhappy. If KM honestly believes that the 2% (which is a made up number that is fast becoming accepted as fact) that protested represents the full scale of the discontent then she is very naive.
First and foremost the personal abuse was and is unacceptable, added to that, it actually does a disservice to the fans that had a message that they wanted to get across as it then becomes discredited.
Here is the latest Trust statement including top line figures from the poll, which proves your point.
Greenie you only jumped on the bandwagon of the 'anti Belgian's brigade' a couple of weeks ago.
Stop digging others out for not being there, in almost every video from the event abuse can be heard... that's not acceptable in my books, it makes us look pathetic.
The number of people on CL standing up for that behaviour is actually more disappointing to me than the few that actually were being abusive.
Feel I have to respond to this First of all I haven't jumped on the 'anti Belgian brigade', as you so eloquently put it, in fact an interesting xenophobic phrase coming from one who is generally offended on behalf of everybody. The 'anti Belgian brigade' have been around since RD sacked Powell, so that band wagon has been rolling along for a while now. What I did was, I waited to see how our new owner was going to run the club, he has done may good things over the last couple of years, but his lack of investment, sacking manager after manager and the alleged untruths coming from his puppet CEO was the last straw and his business model does not work. So after given him plenty of time impress (he hasn't) I am against his business model, he either needs to change his ways or bugger off. That is why I protested on Saturday, peacefully, well it was peaceful until the CEO, who lets face it is out of her depth came to the window took pictures and laughed in our faces, and she got sworn at, ah poor love.
I have noticed that all those who are offended on behalf of people, and you are firmly in that camp, are the ones really bitching about it, understand that saturdays protest was peaceful, someone got swore at, and we made a point to the CEO. Football is the working mans (womans) game swearing and 'hand gestures' happen now and then, grow a pair, stop digging people out who have the clubs best interests at heart, and support the team.
Partly because of time but also due to a feeling of dread.
Do I want to watch a two hour car crash?
It's very similar to the VIP meetings. You ask a question, they skirt round a reply and then move on so you can't press for a proper and detailed answer.
Partly because of time but also due to a feeling of dread.
Do I want to watch a two hour car crash?
I skipped the opening presentation and watched the rest. I must say all the points that are worth noting are included in @Curb_it 's writeup. If you don't have the time, reading her posts will just be sufficient I think.
One point on KM's lack understanding of the CAFC demographic can be summed up easily:-
She states that most of the fans are over 50, then she instructs that house/dance music is played in Crossbars.
She did admit it was because she likes 'dance' music so it was a personal preference ... I think it was clear from her response that it won't be repeated.
However, I do agree, it shows a lack of judgement.
This soft touch approach to KM people are coming out with and labelling anything otherwise as sexist or that we'd look back on it and be embarassed is the EXACT reason Roland employed her as CEO, the front of the company. We'll all roll over and have our tummies tickled while apologising for being annoyed at her for constant fan-base and club destroying antics.
Greenie you only jumped on the bandwagon of the 'anti Belgian's brigade' a couple of weeks ago.
Stop digging others out for not being there, in almost every video from the event abuse can be heard... that's not acceptable in my books, it makes us look pathetic.
The number of people on CL standing up for that behaviour is actually more disappointing to me than the few that actually were being abusive.
Feel I have to respond to this First of all I haven't jumped on the 'anti Belgian brigade', as you so eloquently put it, in fact an interesting xenophobic phrase coming from one who is generally offended on behalf of everybody. The 'anti Belgian brigade' have been around since RD sacked Powell, so that band wagon has been rolling along for a while now. What I did was, I waited to see how our new owner was going to run the club, he has done may good things over the last couple of years, but his lack of investment, sacking manager after manager and the alleged untruths coming from his puppet CEO was the last straw and his business model does not work. So after given him plenty of time impress (he hasn't) I am against his business model, he either needs to change his ways or bugger off. That is why I protested on Saturday, peacefully, well it was peaceful until the CEO, who lets face it is out of her depth came to the window took pictures and laughed in our faces, and she got sworn at, ah poor love.
I have noticed that all those who are offended on behalf of people, and you are firmly in that camp, are the ones really bitching about it, understand that saturdays protest was peaceful, someone got swore at, and we made a point to the CEO. Football is the working mans (womans) game swearing and 'hand gestures' happen now and then, grow a pair, stop digging people out who have the clubs best interests at heart, and support the team.
Very similar to my experience ... I have made no secret of my initial support for the initial 'network/FFS' approach.
However, events over the last few weeks have changed my opinion. There is no 'plan B' and there is no obvious strategy.
Protest, in whatever format we decide to take forward, is necessary so that they understand this is not just a disaffected 2% but far far wider.
well here they are the thoughts of GH The Mighty !!
In any relationship the two worst things to deal with are being ignored or arrogance of the "other". We are seeing/feeling both of these with our relationship as fans of CAFC. I think the pre meeting strategy of the fans was correct to have a lead speaker with some questions dispersed. However you need an "angry man(woman)" to blast in with some forceful/angry/rudeness. To nice and we will get nowhere. Like many reading the tweets as they came through i was furious, but posted at the time i would wait to see Curb It etc notes.Now im still pi55ed off but calmer than Tuesday night. Little victories !!!!! they have stopped ignoring us---take a big pat on your collective back all that have put the time in for it is a victory all be it a small one. The hard part is to get them to change direction. Im not 100% anti Roland. If he hadnt rocked up God knows where or if we would be playing with the 2 barrowBoyTossers in charge. Their statement about being competitive is total kak and i said long ago you can be competitive 20 points adrift at the bottom of the league. How in hells name do they see the sacking of 5 managers as progressive and a positive ? alarming ---who the hell would take a job with us knowing the owner and his puppet see a managerial revolving door as a good thing ? We all agree that the academy players coming through is a great thing but in isolation shows another massive lack of football knowledge.
We have a very good heritage of dealing with lack of communication from our club Voice, Good Bye Horse did a great job in getting info and issues out to the fans. Fanzines existence with the vast majority of clubs was as a result of piss poor info available to fans. Back to The Valley, has to be the single best campaign by a grass roots fan base in the UK---FACT---END OF.However we are not dealing with elected numptys now but two egos( two and a half if you include the now testicleless Murry). Roland and his puppet BELIEVE they know best, their way forward is the chosen path and they wont be deflected. How do we get through to them that a little humility might actually not only benefit their bottom line ,and also in the puppets case their knowledge of how football clubs work ? I guess it depends on how long you think we have ? months ? to the end of the season? two seasons ? A boycott of goods and services will take a very long time. The fact that the CEO is a woman and the owner is Belgium should not deflect from a very very hard aggressive and rapid protest(IMO). We need to show Roland his puppet isnt wanted here any more. We need to show Roland that we will all be in this with him and together we can make him a profit when he sells. I realise that a good many will not find an aggressive approach the Charlton way and there is a very fine line which can result in it being a propaganda own goal. Therefore to take the fight to the owner and HIS puppet there should a group of the good (the acceptable face)and whom ever is willing to risk getting banned for life in spelling it out directly she needs to f--k off now (the dark side).
To test their commitment to closer dialogue with the fans i suggest that a very small group assemble a few bullet point ideas re target 20,000 and send then to her with a timeline for acknowledgement. This group should include people from the target 20/40K team that did such a good job before.
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Sad.
Stop digging others out for not being there, in almost every video from the event abuse can be heard... that's not acceptable in my books, it makes us look pathetic.
The number of people on CL standing up for that behaviour is actually more disappointing to me than the few that actually were being abusive.
You weren't there so you can't make an informed opinion.
Come on, the spell it out idea has been going for two weeks and your already talking about it in the past tense. It's not even really got started yet but you expect it to have solved all the problems in no time at all?
It has only just started. It has gained a small victory in getting noticed by fans, by the media and by it's target. That is a start but only just a start.
"others hate being cut off from the communication and can't get over it - you need to get over yourselves"
Really? Shows that your attacks are nothing to do with Spell it out but something else. People, lots of people, want to know how the club is being run and that it is moving forward. Nothing wrong with that and nothing to "get over".
He's lost it
It's having no coherent short & medium term plan, that is the problem.
The condescending 'I've told you this before' comments were just awful on two counts: Firstly, because she hasn't. Secondly, because she was belittling her audience rather than genuinely trying to engage.
As someone who should have been aware at the start how low her credibility was, she really needed to focus on achievements. The trouble is though, that because they are so thin she brought in stuff that's not an achievement at all. The sofa is the best example of this. I honestly thought that the sofa was a marketing ploy by a furniture company, something the club could earn a few quid from but nothing serious. Some find it annoying, some claim it to be embarrassing, but in reality it's pretty benign. But Katrien, she's bigging it up like it's the best brainchild she's ever had (and perhaps it is). With this nonsense included as an achievement, nothing else she said was ever going to cut much ice.
People have questioned why those in the audience didn't ask questions when she invited them. The real reason has far more to do with her poor presentation skills than with the audience. There was no time at all between her inviting questions and then moving on to the next section. Any presenter worth their salt knows that if you want questions you need to ask for them, pause, scan the room, pause again and maybe ask again to give people the the chance to switch their frame of mind from 'I'm being lectured at' to 'now's my chance to speak'. Poor little Katrien did done of that though, so her audience never had the chance to make that mental switch before being whisked off into the next round of fantasyland aspirations.
For balance, I would like to know how many season tickets were not renewed this season, and how many current season ticket holders are not actually using them/coming to games. The latter information must be available to the club via the new ticket readers data-banks.
It's like saying 9m of player purchases is a good thing. It's half the information - what about sales? No point in looking at debits and not credits. Pretty basic stuff.
She's just not very good at being a CEO at all, and lacks professional maturity (as seen by the photo at the window and laughing). She's way out of her depth and now people are honing in on it the natural thing is to get sulky, defensive and lean on pathetic arguments such as the nasty men being mean.
Keep the pressure on.
Anyone that runs a business knows that for every complaint received there are many more dissatisfied customers. If 2% of the fanbase are taking the time to protest then in all likelihood 30% or more are unhappy. If KM honestly believes that the 2% (which is a made up number that is fast becoming accepted as fact) that protested represents the full scale of the discontent then she is very naive.
First and foremost the personal abuse was and is unacceptable, added to that, it actually does a disservice to the fans that had a message that they wanted to get across as it then becomes discredited.
Partly because of time but also due to a feeling of dread.
Do I want to watch a two hour car crash?
First of all I haven't jumped on the 'anti Belgian brigade', as you so eloquently put it, in fact an interesting xenophobic phrase coming from one who is generally offended on behalf of everybody. The 'anti Belgian brigade' have been around since RD sacked Powell, so that band wagon has been rolling along for a while now. What I did was, I waited to see how our new owner was going to run the club, he has done may good things over the last couple of years, but his lack of investment, sacking manager after manager and the alleged untruths coming from his puppet CEO was the last straw and his business model does not work. So after given him plenty of time impress (he hasn't) I am against his business model, he either needs to change his ways or bugger off. That is why I protested on Saturday, peacefully, well it was peaceful until the CEO, who lets face it is out of her depth came to the window took pictures and laughed in our faces, and she got sworn at, ah poor love.
I have noticed that all those who are offended on behalf of people, and you are firmly in that camp, are the ones really bitching about it, understand that saturdays protest was peaceful, someone got swore at, and we made a point to the CEO. Football is the working mans (womans) game swearing and 'hand gestures' happen now and then, grow a pair, stop digging people out who have the clubs best interests at heart, and support the team.
She states that most of the fans are over 50, then she instructs that house/dance music is played in Crossbars.
However, I do agree, it shows a lack of judgement.
However, events over the last few weeks have changed my opinion. There is no 'plan B' and there is no obvious strategy.
Protest, in whatever format we decide to take forward, is necessary so that they understand this is not just a disaffected 2% but far far wider.
personally, it has helped me quite a bit in terms of understanding Miere and Murray more.
In any relationship the two worst things to deal with are being ignored or arrogance of the "other". We are seeing/feeling both of these with our relationship as fans of CAFC.
I think the pre meeting strategy of the fans was correct to have a lead speaker with some questions dispersed. However you need an "angry man(woman)" to blast in with some forceful/angry/rudeness. To nice and we will get nowhere.
Like many reading the tweets as they came through i was furious, but posted at the time i would wait to see Curb It etc notes.Now im still pi55ed off but calmer than Tuesday night.
Little victories !!!!! they have stopped ignoring us---take a big pat on your collective back all that have put the time in for it is a victory all be it a small one.
The hard part is to get them to change direction. Im not 100% anti Roland. If he hadnt rocked up God knows where or if we would be playing with the 2 barrowBoyTossers in charge.
Their statement about being competitive is total kak and i said long ago you can be competitive 20 points adrift at the bottom of the league. How in hells name do they see the sacking of 5 managers as progressive and a positive ? alarming ---who the hell would take a job with us knowing the owner and his puppet see a managerial revolving door as a good thing ?
We all agree that the academy players coming through is a great thing but in isolation shows another massive lack of football knowledge.
We have a very good heritage of dealing with lack of communication from our club Voice, Good Bye Horse did a great job in getting info and issues out to the fans. Fanzines existence with the vast majority of clubs was as a result of piss poor info available to fans.
Back to The Valley, has to be the single best campaign by a grass roots fan base in the UK---FACT---END OF.However we are not dealing with elected numptys now but two egos( two and a half if you include the now testicleless Murry). Roland and his puppet BELIEVE they know best, their way forward is the chosen path and they wont be deflected. How do we get through to them that a little humility might actually not only benefit their bottom line ,and also in the puppets case their knowledge of how football clubs work ?
I guess it depends on how long you think we have ? months ? to the end of the season? two seasons ? A boycott of goods and services will take a very long time. The fact that the CEO is a woman and the owner is Belgium should not deflect from a very very hard aggressive and rapid protest(IMO).
We need to show Roland his puppet isnt wanted here any more. We need to show Roland that we will all be in this with him and together we can make him a profit when he sells.
I realise that a good many will not find an aggressive approach the Charlton way and there is a very fine line which can result in it being a propaganda own goal. Therefore to take the fight to the owner and HIS puppet there should a group of the good (the acceptable face)and whom ever is willing to risk getting banned for life in spelling it out directly she needs to f--k off now (the dark side).
To test their commitment to closer dialogue with the fans i suggest that a very small group assemble a few bullet point ideas re target 20,000 and send then to her with a timeline for acknowledgement. This group should include people from the target 20/40K team that did such a good job before.
To repeat, how long do we give them ?
PS anyone know where the real NLA is ?