The thing that bugs me is it won't just be about a new manager. I said elsewhere that someone like Ferguson could probably only stop the rot but would still struggle to get us winning.
There are so many players not up to it I feel. Personally I reckon we need 10 new players. Whoever RD brings in, whether or not they're British I can't see him having a change of heart and suddenly opening up his Wallet to bring in what's needed. So many of our team have been found wanting in recent weeks, and I don't think it's just down to the situation
I think 10 players is perhaps a bit on the severe side. I honestly believe player for player we have a first 11 that should compete for top 10 easily.
Watt, Makeinok, Vetokele, Cousins, Kashi, Solly, Henderson, Gudmundsson, Bauer, Diarra have all got decent pedigree, and are all great players when playing with confidence. Fox, Reza , Aherne-Grant, Jackson, can also be very solid squad players at this level. I feel we are probably missing a couple of wingers (Bulot I miss you), and a creative midfielder (we have done for many years).
I think a combination of not building a strong enough squad, and poor coaching is what has left us in this debacle. Our players just do not seem fit enough to press the ball, and when we have the ball we do not know how to move the ball forwards with pace. </p>
I think it's also criminal so many young players are being thrown into this shitfest. THD's first game the Preston shambles. He ran his heart out and actually looked okay, yet has to have the crowd so angry at RD's reign going mental at the end and walk off that pitch. I am sure these players have strong spines but some of them have done nothing to deserve being unfortunate enough to just get caught up in this crap. All because RD has tried to do it on the cheap
The thing that bugs me is it won't just be about a new manager. I said elsewhere that someone like Ferguson could probably only stop the rot but would still struggle to get us winning.
There are so many players not up to it I feel. Personally I reckon we need 10 new players. Whoever RD brings in, whether or not they're British I can't see him having a change of heart and suddenly opening up his Wallet to bring in what's needed. So many of our team have been found wanting in recent weeks, and I don't think it's just down to the situation
I think 10 players is perhaps a bit on the severe side. I honestly believe player for player we have a first 11 that should compete for top 10 easily.
Watt, Makeinok, Vetokele, Cousins, Kashi, Solly, Henderson, Gudmundsson, Bauer, Diarra have all got decent pedigree, and are all great players when playing with confidence. Fox, Reza , Aherne-Grant, Jackson, can also be very solid squad players at this level. I feel we are probably missing a couple of wingers (Bulot I miss you), and a creative midfielder (we have done for many years).
I think a combination of not building a strong enough squad, and poor coaching is what has left us in this debacle. Our players just do not seem fit enough to press the ball, and when we have the ball we do not know how to move the ball forwards with pace. </p>
I think it's also criminal so many young players are being thrown into this shitfest. THD's first game the Preston shambles. He ran his heart out and actually looked okay, yet has to have the crowd so angry at RD's reign going mental at the end and walk off that pitch. I am sure these players have strong spines but some of them have done nothing to deserve being unfortunate enough to just get caught up in this crap. All because RD has tried to do it on the cheap
So should we have played with ten men to protect THD? Last season he had practically a whole season at Oxford/Plymouth (including Plymouth's play off games). He should be able to cope with Preston at home, no matter how bad things are.
Please not Jose Riga. I liked the man a lot and he did well during his time at Charlton but would be the wrong man for the job.
We need a British manager who has been in this division and got clubs out of it.
What if it was a non British manager who has been in this division and got clubs out of it ?
That's the way I'm thinking....whoever it is, for me it's all about if they know what the championship is about. Murray put us into a straightjacket when he declared he only wanted a British manager after Curbs left- After we couldn't agree terms with Billy Davies we ended up with Dowie, the rest is history.
For all that, I'm still not convinced they will move Fraye on too quickly. This smacks of the usual tactic of dripping some information out to appease the restless masses.
If there's any truth to the original story and RD's finally going to admit his errors, the appointment of the next manager could be a huge moment, but only if the next incumbent is going to be given a fair crack of the whip. I still believe we have a decent nucleus but a lot of clever trading needs to be done to balance the deeper squad, with the kind of knowledge that only someone who knows the league and has a well-established network of connections can realistically be expected to pull off.
Above all else they need to instill the confidence shot to pieces by the current run, then motivate their squad to the point that they believe they can and will keep Charlton up, let alone build for further ahead. If we drop so unnecessarily this time it will likely be without any of the patience and good will that saw us return last time and could have very serious repercussions among the long-tern fanbase.
So, is it really asking too much to appoint a realistic candidate with the right credentials, and to trust that person to understand what's needed a little better than a foreign businessman with no sporting pedigree whatsoever? Probably.
The thing that bugs me is it won't just be about a new manager. I said elsewhere that someone like Ferguson could probably only stop the rot but would still struggle to get us winning.
There are so many players not up to it I feel. Personally I reckon we need 10 new players. Whoever RD brings in, whether or not they're British I can't see him having a change of heart and suddenly opening up his Wallet to bring in what's needed. So many of our team have been found wanting in recent weeks, and I don't think it's just down to the situation
I think 10 players is perhaps a bit on the severe side. I honestly believe player for player we have a first 11 that should compete for top 10 easily.
Watt, Makeinok, Vetokele, Cousins, Kashi, Solly, Henderson, Gudmundsson, Bauer, Diarra have all got decent pedigree, and are all great players when playing with confidence. Fox, Reza , Aherne-Grant, Jackson, can also be very solid squad players at this level. I feel we are probably missing a couple of wingers (Bulot I miss you), and a creative midfielder (we have done for many years).
I think a combination of not building a strong enough squad, and poor coaching is what has left us in this debacle. Our players just do not seem fit enough to press the ball, and when we have the ball we do not know how to move the ball forwards with pace. </p>
I think it's also criminal so many young players are being thrown into this shitfest. THD's first game the Preston shambles. He ran his heart out and actually looked okay, yet has to have the crowd so angry at RD's reign going mental at the end and walk off that pitch. I am sure these players have strong spines but some of them have done nothing to deserve being unfortunate enough to just get caught up in this crap. All because RD has tried to do it on the cheap
So should we have played with ten men to protect THD? Last season he had practically a whole season at Oxford/Plymouth (including Plymouth's play off games). He should be able to cope with Preston at home, no matter how bad things are.
And I thought he did well, and as I said I'm sure some of these players are capable of handling the flack. But do you really think it is a good thing to see so many thrust in so quickly in this sutuation? Personally I just feel it should be a gradual process for these players, yet because we haven't invested, a number of them find themselves in a very shit situation. 17/18 year olds aren't mentally mature yet. It is their first taste of football, should they really have to put up the situation they find themselves in
Would you mind getting Chris O'Loughlin ? He did beat Standard Liège last weekend. Also just read in a Walloon newspaper Hugo Broos is free now ; he's well known in Belgium.
Wouldn't be surprised if Karel turns up with documentation of a long-lost great grandfather, born and raised in Sidcup, before being appointed full-time.
When Pardew/Parky/Powell went I was often debating for them to stay as it seems there are limited better options out there who we would have to take a risk on. Says a lot I'd be quite happy for Tactics Tim or Racist Mackay to take over and be an improvement.
Basically if Pearson/Lambert are interested then they should be absolute stonewallers for the job and RD should go out and get them but I don't think either would take it (especially Pearson).
Would you mind getting Chris O'Loughlin ? He did beat Standard Liège last weekend. Also just read in a Walloon newspaper Hugo Broos is free now ; he's well known in Belgium.
It wouldn't shock me for the club to announce a British managerial appointment a couple of hours before Tuesday's meeting. It won't be a distraction from the main business though, not least because they could sack him after a handful of games like all the others. But more to the point, it's the process of how they appoint head coaches that would be a focus anyway.
So for example, if they were to appoint Malky Mackay I think quite a few Charlton fans would think that was an appointment that wasn't suitable for us, because of the reasons he left Cardiff. If 'cultural fit' isn't a criterion, then it bloody well should be.
They have a terrible track record with their recruitment and I for one will be looking for a change in approach.
Don't get this must have British manager ? Watford network of managers has not done a bad job , all the top clubs in the land have foreign managers .... Don't matter where there from as long as they can do the job surely ?
You are right, Roland, but we need experience right now - Watford have the quality in depth so their manager supplements it - we don't, so we need that experience from the sidelines to supplement them.
Don't get this must have British manager ? Watford network of managers has not done a bad job , all the top clubs in the land have foreign managers .... Don't matter where there from as long as they can do the job surely ?
I wouldn't mind if they're foreign but have experience over here, but it's a much bigger risk bringing in someone that's never managed in England.
We're in the relegation zone and can only bring in players on loan until the January window opens. With our squad I don't think now is the time to gamble on a European manager that will need time to learn about the league and our players.
Don't get this must have British manager ? Watford network of managers has not done a bad job , all the top clubs in the land have foreign managers .... Don't matter where there from as long as they can do the job surely ?
I don't see why a new man would have to British manager either - Huddersfield's appointment looks imaginative and given a choice I'd certainly take him over many of the usual suspects who have failed at various other clubs at this level
Don't get this must have British manager ? Watford network of managers has not done a bad job , all the top clubs in the land have foreign managers .... Don't matter where there from as long as they can do the job surely ?
For the first time ever, I'm agreeing with something you've said. I don't have a requirement that the manager be British, I just want them to have the relevant experience. At this stage, in order to give ourselves the best chance of surviving, someone with a proven track record in this division is needed. We can't afford any more gambles.
Its the relevant experience that matters not the passport.
What we've seen is Belgian or worked in Belgium for Roland.
Would be happy with any number of non-British managers if they bring some relevant experience.
Someone like Pascal Deprez for example who we were rumoured to have tapped up in the summer. Has won promotions, been a head coach and a sporting director and has built teams long term. No ideal as not managed at this level but you could at least see some logic in employing him.
Bottom line is Roland's recruitment "strategy" has failed and continues to fail.
It fails because it is based on too narrow a gene pool and the coach isn't then given the time or money to succeed.
Yes. After weeks of thinking Colin hates Charlton, I agree. It does'nt have to be a British manager. But. It does need one with Championship experience, with licence to pick his own squad. And Carole Frayed to have no part of scouting for Charlton.
Yes. After weeks of thinking Colin hares Charlton, I agree. It does'nt have to be a British manager. But. It does need one with Championship experience, with licence to pick his own squad. And Carole Frayed to have no part of scouting for Charlton.
Earlier today someome was insisting the new manager had to be British and had previously won promotion from the Championship.
The only trouble with wanting a new manager, no matter how good he may be, where do the new players come from, we have no experienced British scout, apart from someone doing it part-time. Will RD OK any suggestions on players from someone in this country, as it is well documented, he kept turning down anyone suggested in the past, apart when it got desperate this time last year. Will we get an experienced manager/head coach who has no say on transfers? The only one's we will get are foreign one's who are used to having no say in transfers
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For all that, I'm still not convinced they will move Fraye on too quickly. This smacks of the usual tactic of dripping some information out to appease the restless masses.
Above all else they need to instill the confidence shot to pieces by the current run, then motivate their squad to the point that they believe they can and will keep Charlton up, let alone build for further ahead. If we drop so unnecessarily this time it will likely be without any of the patience and good will that saw us return last time and could have very serious repercussions among the long-tern fanbase.
So, is it really asking too much to appoint a realistic candidate with the right credentials, and to trust that person to understand what's needed a little better than a foreign businessman with no sporting pedigree whatsoever? Probably.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Broos
Basically if Pearson/Lambert are interested then they should be absolute stonewallers for the job and RD should go out and get them but I don't think either would take it (especially Pearson).
So for example, if they were to appoint Malky Mackay I think quite a few Charlton fans would think that was an appointment that wasn't suitable for us, because of the reasons he left Cardiff. If 'cultural fit' isn't a criterion, then it bloody well should be.
They have a terrible track record with their recruitment and I for one will be looking for a change in approach.
We're in the relegation zone and can only bring in players on loan until the January window opens. With our squad I don't think now is the time to gamble on a European manager that will need time to learn about the league and our players.
What we've seen is Belgian or worked in Belgium for Roland.
Would be happy with any number of non-British managers if they bring some relevant experience.
Someone like Pascal Deprez for example who we were rumoured to have tapped up in the summer. Has won promotions, been a head coach and a sporting director and has built teams long term. No ideal as not managed at this level but you could at least see some logic in employing him.
Bottom line is Roland's recruitment "strategy" has failed and continues to fail.
It fails because it is based on too narrow a gene pool and the coach isn't then given the time or money to succeed.
And Carole Frayed to have no part of scouting for Charlton.
Demands and expectations are falling already.