Agreed BR7 ... there comes a time when you have to give youth a chance or what's the point of wasting 12 mill in approving the academy Tarriq Dennis and Grant to me are first team players
Sorry, what cost 12 million??
The re building of the training ground and Acadamy to get us back to level 1
Which doesn't yet exist.
and hasn't got past planning yet in its latest form. That isn't until the Autumn. At that stage RD will be putting money in, but there is still capital from other sources going into the project.
Anyway, we have been giving "youth a chance" for years now, that is how football clubs work.
Whether the academy can produce the number of quality players RD seems to be hoping for is still a debatable point. Whilst you have the big clubs mopping up as many of the quality youngsters as they can (and I don't see this position changing) then clubs like Charlton will struggle to get more than 1 or 2 good players coming through each year, and some years there will be none. This is particularly true of London (or other big cities) where a youngster can get to a club like Chelsea, Arsenal or Spurs easily with all the perceived glamour, so will bypass the smaller local club.
I am very pleased that RD (and others) are investing in the academy, but I am sceptical about it being the answer to all of our player recruitment problems.
Agreed BR7 ... there comes a time when you have to give youth a chance or what's the point of wasting 12 mill in approving the academy Tarriq Dennis and Grant to me are first team players
Sorry, what cost 12 million??
The re building of the training ground and Acadamy to get us back to level 1
Only when Greenwich Council give the necessary planning permission.
Agreed BR7 ... there comes a time when you have to give youth a chance or what's the point of wasting 12 mill in approving the academy Tarriq Dennis and Grant to me are first team players
Sorry, what cost 12 million??
The re building of the training ground and Acadamy to get us back to level 1
Which doesn't yet exist.
Does exsist we are level 3 at the moment work as started because they have dug up two of our pitches for drainage purposes
That is a good bit of spin. Those pitches were not in a good state and needed the work doing anyhow. Not sure how much it is to do with the rebuilding of the whole site.
I have seen the plans and talked to people who should know. The plans do look impressive on paper. There is still debate about the area at the top which is likely to be the community part of the scheme. Greenwich Council looking to maximise opportunities for community access.
You are so intransigent in your beliefs Colin that I can't take your views seriously. Put away the rose tinted specs. Surely even you can see our squad is woefully short of numbers and quality. I really thought that this would be the Season that RD strengthened our squad, but it is weaker so far than last season. I still do not understand what RDs plans are for us. With the lack of spending it certainly isn't getting us into the Premier League.
You are so intransigent in your beliefs Colin that I can't take your views seriously. Put away the rose tinted specs. Surely even you can see our squad is woefully short of numbers and quality. I really thought that this would be the Season that RD strengthened our squad, but it is weaker so far than last season. I still do not understand what RDs plans are for us. With the lack of spending it certainly isn't getting us into the Premier League.
It's too soon to say that though isn't it. We make three more quality permanent signings and a couple of astute prem loans and all of a sudden the squad will look competitive.
I don't ever see us running with a squad of two in each position again. It's not sustainable and a reason why some clubs are skint. Freeing up wages by having a flexible and at least partly adaptive squad with a strong academy is I think how RD sees it.
Let's at least wait until the season starts and see where the squad is then.
You are so intransigent in your beliefs Colin that I can't take your views seriously. Put away the rose tinted specs. Surely even you can see our squad is woefully short of numbers and quality. I really thought that this would be the Season that RD strengthened our squad, but it is weaker so far than last season. I still do not understand what RDs plans are for us. With the lack of spending it certainly isn't getting us into the Premier League.
It's too soon to say that though isn't it. We make three more quality permanent signings and a couple of astute prem loans and all of a sudden the squad will look competitive.
I don't ever see us running with a squad of two in each position again. It's not sustainable and a reason why some clubs are skint. Freeing up wages by having a flexible and at least partly adaptive squad with a strong academy is I think how RD sees it.
Let's at least wait until the season starts and see where the squad is then.
Yes I will wait to the end of the transfer window before I decide how strong our squad is. But I hope for the best but if I am being realistic i can't see too much changing.
The squad right now clearly is understrength, but so what? A lot can change quickly. The Bulot thing falling through/dragging out (still could be either so far as I know) has got people worried but we're not totally screwed just yet. There's still more than enough time to bring more people through and until we actually know who those people are the rest is just speculation.
Could sign two or three proven Championship players over the next week for all we actually know. We could sign some no-names from the obscurest league in Europe, or even no-one at all. We don't know. And until we do, why get worked up and worried?
You are so intransigent in your beliefs Colin that I can't take your views seriously. Put away the rose tinted specs. Surely even you can see our squad is woefully short of numbers and quality. I really thought that this would be the Season that RD strengthened our squad, but it is weaker so far than last season. I still do not understand what RDs plans are for us. With the lack of spending it certainly isn't getting us into the Premier League.
It's too soon to say that though isn't it. We make three more quality permanent signings and a couple of astute prem loans and all of a sudden the squad will look competitive.
I don't ever see us running with a squad of two in each position again. It's not sustainable and a reason why some clubs are skint. Freeing up wages by having a flexible and at least partly adaptive squad with a strong academy is I think how RD sees it.
Let's at least wait until the season starts and see where the squad is then.
Yes I will wait to the end of the transfer window before I decide how strong our squad is. But I hope for the best but if I am being realistic i can't see too much changing.
Fair enough. I agree that the squad as it stands is not competitive and if we don't address that then we are in a relegation fight but I don't believe that the club doesn't also realise that.
I am confident that those "three" more permanents will stiffen us up and I do see Charlton now as an attractive place for premiership clubs to put their loans.
If by kick off we still haven't got at least three in then I too will be concerned.
The squad right now clearly is understrength, but so what? A lot can change quickly. The Bulot thing falling through/dragging out (still could be either so far as I know) has got people worried but we're not totally screwed just yet. There's still more than enough time to bring more people through and until we actually know who those people are the rest is just speculation.
Could sign two or three proven Championship players over the next week for all we actually know. We could sign some no-names from the obscurest league in Europe, or even no-one at all. We don't know. And until we do, why get worked up and worried?
Aha, yes indeed. I will be honest, I am totally aware why people aren't happy with the state of play re: transfers, it is quite disappointing and the squad is weak. I agree with that. But I DO take issue with people assuming that the Powers That Be don't share the assessment and intend to address the situation. Things do go wrong sometimes, perhaps this is one of them. But whatever ****-ups there have been, they weren't necessarily on our end - RD no doubt would have made sure the Bulot thing went through but the new bid came in AFTER we and Bulot assumed it was a done deal and it's Liege's new owners who are playing silly sods, not Roly (in this case.)
The squad right now clearly is understrength, but so what? A lot can change quickly. The Bulot thing falling through/dragging out (still could be either so far as I know) has got people worried but we're not totally screwed just yet. There's still more than enough time to bring more people through and until we actually know who those people are the rest is just speculation.
Could sign two or three proven Championship players over the next week for all we actually know. We could sign some no-names from the obscurest league in Europe, or even no-one at all. We don't know. And until we do, why get worked up and worried?
Don't get people keep going on about championship experanice etc etc How many of these players that come into the perm have perm experanice and these cost upwards of 10 mill It don't matter where there from or there football history as long as there right for us ...... And the right price and wages
The People say that Paul Anderson has rejected our offer of a two year deal.
And there's the problem. RD won't pay the wages needed to bring in experienced Championship players, so we end up with Nego, PP and Tucudean. Mid table is the best we can ever hope for with a strategy like that.
The People say that Paul Anderson has rejected our offer of a two year deal.
Well as he's just been released by Ipswich I can understand why he might reject the first few offers he gets as he's widely considered to be a decent champion player.
What is a little concerning is that I am beginning to get the impression that our offers for wages seem to be perhaps a bit unrealistic for Championship players to accept. I doubt Johnson and Eagles were offered much in January but needed to be playing. Getting in any championship players in seems a very tall order for us.
The People say that Paul Anderson has rejected our offer of a two year deal.
And there's the problem. RD won't pay the wages needed to bring in experienced Championship players, so we end up with Nego, PP and Tucudean. Mid table is the best we can ever hope for with a strategy like that.
So what about Gudmunsson, Watt, Vetokele, Bulot and Henderson? You didn't mention them.
The People say that Paul Anderson has rejected our offer of a two year deal.
Well as he's just been released by Ipswich I can understand why he might reject the first few offers he gets as he's widely considered to be a decent champion player.
What is a little concerning is that I am beginning to get the impression that our offers for wages seem to be perhaps a bit unrealistic for Championship players to accept. I doubt Johnson and Eagles were offered much in January but needed to be playing. Getting in any championship players in seems a very tall order for us.
We' ll see.
Or some Championship players are just too greedy - neither Johnson nor Eagles were impressive enough last season to warrant top championship money. In the case of Anderson - I'm guessing that there are a few teams after him
I'm still a bit peed off with the Bulot situation. Feels like total mismanagement of the situation by the club has led to this point.
Not the club fault that SL wanted 2 mill more after a deal had been struck ..
I'm not sure if you are being paid by the club to be overly optimistic or you are Roland himself, to be honest that would explain the butchering of the English language considering it's not your first (or second or third) language.
Either way you're statement that we only need 3 players is absolutely ridiculous
Am I the only one who thinks we dont need a forward? Watt, Igor, Makeniok and Grant? Grant looked very sharp today and in good shape, I think he could step up.
Piggott scored a hat trick a couple of years ago and looked superb. I'm not saying KAG can't step up. But we shouldn't use a pre season friendly to judge the player either way, especially the first friendly of the year!
I agree with you in that we shouldn't get too hyped up by his (very promising) performance yesterday, but he has already shown that he can play at this level (Fulham away) whereas piggott has never done that in a competitive match!!
The non communication of the owner does not make life easier for us. Now he has sold SL we have no idea whether he plans to push on CAFC or not. Seems to me the FIFA/FA have screwed his concept of having well run clubs living (almost) within their means whilst others go bankrupt. I am guessing he will be disenchanted and sell us on.
The People say that Paul Anderson has rejected our offer of a two year deal.
And there's the problem. RD won't pay the wages needed to bring in experienced Championship players, so we end up with Nego, PP and Tucudean. Mid table is the best we can ever hope for with a strategy like that.
So what about Gudmunsson, Watt, Vetokele, Bulot and Henderson? You didn't mention them.
Because they're not experienced Championship players - which I believe we desperately need to balance a squad that's only been added to with a German cb who has just been playing in the poor Portuguese league, a crocked youngster who played one game for Sunderland and a striker who played four games last season, scoring none.
Not that bothered about Bulot, it's quite embarassing on RD's side but what does that matter - we need numbers in the door. Quite a few more, you're mad if you think Igor, Watt, JJ, Solly to name a few will go a season unscathed injury wise. You can't go into the season without adequate back-up, and we don't even have the adequate starters yet!
Comments
Anyway, we have been giving "youth a chance" for years now, that is how football clubs work.
Whether the academy can produce the number of quality players RD seems to be hoping for is still a debatable point. Whilst you have the big clubs mopping up as many of the quality youngsters as they can (and I don't see this position changing) then clubs like Charlton will struggle to get more than 1 or 2 good players coming through each year, and some years there will be none. This is particularly true of London (or other big cities) where a youngster can get to a club like Chelsea, Arsenal or Spurs easily with all the perceived glamour, so will bypass the smaller local club.
I am very pleased that RD (and others) are investing in the academy, but I am sceptical about it being the answer to all of our player recruitment problems.
"Charlton’s renowned academy has received confirmation that it has been awarded a category-two licence"
http://www.cafc.co.uk//news/article/20130711-academy-earns-category-two-status-907490.aspx?site=desktop
I have seen the plans and talked to people who should know. The plans do look impressive on paper. There is still debate about the area at the top which is likely to be the community part of the scheme. Greenwich Council looking to maximise opportunities for community access.
I don't ever see us running with a squad of two in each position again. It's not sustainable and a reason why some clubs are skint. Freeing up wages by having a flexible and at least partly adaptive squad with a strong academy is I think how RD sees it.
Let's at least wait until the season starts and see where the squad is then.
Could sign two or three proven Championship players over the next week for all we actually know. We could sign some no-names from the obscurest league in Europe, or even no-one at all. We don't know. And until we do, why get worked up and worried?
I am confident that those "three" more permanents will stiffen us up and I do see Charlton now as an attractive place for premiership clubs to put their loans.
If by kick off we still haven't got at least three in then I too will be concerned.
What is a little concerning is that I am beginning to get the impression that our offers for wages seem to be perhaps a bit unrealistic for Championship players to accept. I doubt Johnson and Eagles were offered much in January but needed to be playing. Getting in any championship players in seems a very tall order for us.
We' ll see.
In the case of Anderson - I'm guessing that there are a few teams after him
I'm not sure if you are being paid by the club to be overly optimistic or you are Roland himself, to be honest that would explain the butchering of the English language considering it's not your first (or second or third) language.
Either way you're statement that we only need 3 players is absolutely ridiculous
I agree with you in that we shouldn't get too hyped up by his (very promising) performance yesterday, but he has already shown that he can play at this level (Fulham away) whereas piggott has never done that in a competitive match!!