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  • edited February 2015

    suspect this interview will only make the club put the shutters up even more, bit of a siege mentality from within and I doubt it'll help relations one bit.

    Quite possibly but will the club cut off contact with the SLP after they run what I guess will be a similar interview.

    They didn't do that when the SLP ran the ALex Dyer interview and my guess is that they will still use the SLP as their main avenue to the press.
    razil said:

    Do I think anything we do would get us dialogue with the owner, no I don't.

    Then is there any point in the Trust asking for more dialogue?
    I've read the SLP this morning and it isn't anything more or less than you'd expect in the circumstances. Powell's return is the story - he goes a bit further than before including re Jimenez and co, but it is balanced and sensibly reported. It's still not the full story. Nobody in their right mind would think it was a basis to withdraw co-operation.

    As I've said many times, the club doesn't choose the SLP as their main avenue to the press. It is the only "almost local" newspaper left with a properly staffed sports desk that covers the club in print. The Shopper doesn't go for the same kind of in-depth articles and for similar reasons hasn't built the relationships. The SLP is the only game in town.
  • suspect this interview will only make the club put the shutters up even more, bit of a siege mentality from within and I doubt it'll help relations one bit.

    Quite possibly but will the club cut off contact with the SLP after they run what I guess will be a similar interview.

    They didn't do that when the SLP ran the ALex Dyer interview and my guess is that they will still use the SLP as their main avenue to the press.
    razil said:

    Do I think anything we do would get us dialogue with the owner, no I don't.

    Then is there any point in the Trust asking for more dialogue?
    I've read the SLP this morning and it isn't anything more it less than you'd expect in the circumstances. Powell's return is the story - he goes a bit further than before including re Jimenez and co, but if is balanced and sensibly reported. Nobody in their right mind would think it was a basis to withdraw co-operation.

    As I've said many times, the club doesn't choose the SLP as their main avenue to the press. It is the only "almost local" newspaper left with a properly staffed sports desk that covers the club in print. The Shopper doesn't go for the same kind of in-depth articles and for similar reasons hasn't built the relationships. The SLP is the only game in town.
    That didn't stop the Spivs falling out with it : - )
  • Roland treated Powell with contempt before sacking him, and then exploiting him as a selling point for Saturday's game. Now cast have exploited this to gain their own publicity. Football- bloody hell!
  • dickplumb said:

    The Trust want meaningful dialogue with the owner. Now you have totally undermined the owner. The Trust should be building bridges to enable a discourse, it has used dynamite to destroy that bridge. Good work!!

    this with knobs on, can't see Roland calling you anytime soon.
    So nothing's changed then.
  • Ben how many guests are you expecting at the museum, they can all have a copy if you like.
  • razil said:

    Ben how many guests are you expecting at the museum, they can all have a copy if you like.

    I'll direct them to the Trust stall when they leave : - )
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  • It was the one thing he refused point blank to talk about, @aliwibble ;-)
  • Perhaps the club could say 'the owner picks the team, the coach keeps them fit and reports back to the owner'. What would be wrong with saying that?

    If it is indeed the case, then have it out in the open which seems to be what Brentford are doing, it will then be up to each supporter to decide if they want to go along with it.
  • bobmunro said:

    I haven't got a strong opinion either way about whether or not the Trust should publish the interview. Well apathetic really rather than no strong opinion. I do however believe that it's unlikely to help in attempts to have open dialogue with RD. The Chairman of the trust no less admits that he doesn't expect anything the Trust do will achieve that, and I agree with Henry's comment - why bother trying despite that being the general view expressed at the Woolwich meeting.

    For me the Trust, whilst noble in intent, is just another group/faction of supporters and as such I do not see them as a representative group other than expressing the views of their members and indeed the officers, despite having stated aims, a constitution et al. They most certainly do not represent me or indeed the vast majority of supporters. Just looking at figures - the last time I checked there were 1139 members of the trust. How many people if asked would openly say they are strong supporters of Charlton Athletic? It would clearly be a multiple of the average home attendance so at a guess (and probably wildly inaccurate) let's for argument say 4 x the average home attendance. based on that the membership of the trust 'represents' less than 2% of the fan base. 1139 might be impressive in the world of Football Trusts - but representative it aint.

    So, I view TNT in the same way I view VOTV - a fanzine representing the views of a tiny minority of fans in general. Rick however doesn't, and never has to my knowledge, claimed that VOTV is a representative organ other than representing primarily the views of its editor and contributors. I have zero issue with any of that and anyone can say what they like, and Rick as an example has earned the right to have and express whatever opinion he so wishes. But to be honest so have I the right to express personal views along with every one else - and CL provides me one of the platforms to air those views. Some will agree with my views, others will disagree, whilst the vast majority will totally disregard them! Such is life - I don't claim to represent anyone other than myself.

    Some impressive statistics. It's a pity you missed the most important and obvious one - just because "the trust 'represents' less than 2% of the fan base" it doesn't mean the other 98% don't agree with the Trust.
  • Hex said:



    Some impressive statistics. It's a pity you missed the most important and obvious one - just because "the trust 'represents' less than 2% of the fan base" it doesn't mean the other 98% don't agree with the Trust.

    True - but I haven't got any stats on that. Could make them up of course!!
  • PL54 said:

    dickplumb said:

    The Trust want meaningful dialogue with the owner. Now you have totally undermined the owner. The Trust should be building bridges to enable a discourse, it has used dynamite to destroy that bridge. Good work!!

    I agree.

    The Trust seems to want combat not conversation. As I said before, for one of the 4 options in Q3 (?) of the recent survey to be about getting rid of the owner it seems an agenda had already been written.
    I am afraid that is incorrect, and despite being the liaison officer for the trust, (1) from the very start you seem unable to accept the assurances that have been given by the trust that this is not the position.!. (2) I also feel that to ask a question on a survey about the ownership is so devisive, that RD would recoil in horror seems rather absurd to myself. (3) Obviously if we had a constructive dialogue with the club, it must be down to myself that we have failed on this level. ?
    Strange that we had dialogue even with the previous owners, ( and they were hardly known for there communications with fans were they ?).
    So, PL54, Do you believe me..........?
    Do I believe you ?

    I have marked your post.

    (1) I have been a clear supporter of The Trust up until I questioned the recent questionnaire content and now this interview

    (2) The Survey question - my point wasn't about RD's potential 'recoil' (I don't imagine he gives a turd) it was about the question being a clear indication of one of just 4 outcomes The Trust appeared to be seeking

    (3) I thought Murray and The Trust were in ongoing dialogue but might have got that wrong

    I do not think the article will bring your much wanted meeting with RD so if that is your objective then I do not think it was an act that would help achieve it.
  • This seems to have gone off topic, can we just go back to slagging the Trust off for printing an interview with Chris Powell ?
  • Some people think that the truth can be hidden with a little cover-up and decoration. But as time goes by, what is true is revealed, and what is fake fades away.
  • edited February 2015

    Some people think that the truth can be hidden with a little cover-up and decoration. But as time goes by, what is true is revealed, and what is fake fades away.

    Exactly, there was plenty of sucking up to the previous joke owners and the same thing has happened with the Belgian circus , who do have a few plus points to them as well in all fairness
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  • se9addick said:

    This seems to have gone off topic, can we just go back to slagging the Trust off for printing an interview with Chris Powell ?

    do you view my posts on this thread as 'slagging the Trust' off then ?
  • se9addick said:

    This seems to have gone off topic, can we just go back to slagging the Trust off for printing an interview with Chris Powell ?

    do you view my posts on this thread as 'slagging the Trust' off then ?
    Sorry - it was a joke - and no, not really, if we want to be "representative" then we have to take constructive criticism when it comes.
  • anyone got Bobs number?

    (joking)
  • edited February 2015
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  • PL54 said:

    PL54 said:

    dickplumb said:

    The Trust want meaningful dialogue with the owner. Now you have totally undermined the owner. The Trust should be building bridges to enable a discourse, it has used dynamite to destroy that bridge. Good work!!

    I agree.

    The Trust seems to want combat not conversation. As I said before, for one of the 4 options in Q3 (?) of the recent survey to be about getting rid of the owner it seems an agenda had already been written.
    I am afraid that is incorrect, and despite being the liaison officer for the trust, (1) from the very start you seem unable to accept the assurances that have been given by the trust that this is not the position.!. (2) I also feel that to ask a question on a survey about the ownership is so devisive, that RD would recoil in horror seems rather absurd to myself. (3) Obviously if we had a constructive dialogue with the club, it must be down to myself that we have failed on this level. ?
    Strange that we had dialogue even with the previous owners, ( and they were hardly known for there communications with fans were they ?).
    So, PL54, Do you believe me..........?
    Do I believe you ?

    I have marked your post.

    (1) I have been a clear supporter of The Trust up until I questioned the recent questionnaire content and now this interview

    (2) The Survey question - my point wasn't about RD's potential 'recoil' (I don't imagine he gives a turd) it was about the question being a clear indication of one of just 4 outcomes The Trust appeared to be seeking

    (3) I thought Murray and The Trust were in ongoing dialogue but might have got that wrong

    I do not think the article will bring your much wanted meeting with RD so if that is your objective then I do not think it was an act that would help achieve it.
    1, So you yourself wish to question the trust, but do not like the idea of the trust asking robust and searching questions, remember the trust is a critical friend, that is one of it's aims.If you have been an member of the trust from the start you have every right to question the board, you can question me if you like.
    Exactly what is your issue?

    2. That is your assumption. Is RD, or anyone else at the club not going to talk to the SLP, The standard, or any other media organization that interviews a former manager that gives his opinion?. I think based on my nearly 40 years in the media I think not. But we shall see, shall we not in the following weeks.

    3. Richard Murray has spoken at two public events, organized in just over a year, by the trust, I do not personally have Richard's email or phone number, but there is a communication dialogue. I have also met him at the POTYA, and the ACV event at the Valley which I was involved with.

    I have been involved in a few roles/Events at CAFC, in fairness to those other people it would not be fair to speak on there behalf, or should I.

    As we have not met I am sorry I do not know you personally. I can only assure you that as a founding board member it is the aim of the trust to seek meaningfull dialogue with the club, wether it be with the past or present owners. I myself Interviewed Martin Simon's in the trust news a few issues ago, and wrote an article about the then proposed new academy, and spoke to Peter Varney, and the club's CEO Steve Bradshaw. Not sure there was too much in those articles that was anti-club or anyone complained about.

    I am glad you have been supportive of the trust in the past.

  • edited February 2015

    A very interesting development. I'm kind of on the fence on the timing of this.
    On the one hand, I think that the truth is the be all and end all and "publish and be damned".
    Yet on the other hand, the timing isn't great.

    However, I've been more vocal than many on this subject. It was I who questioned Katrien, on this very subject at the VIP meeting. The response was that anyone making such comments "had left the club".
    For me, that was, never a response of any meaning. For me, it was akin to "no comment".

    Especially, when Mick Everitt told Katrien not to answer.

    Now, the thing for me, is this.

    If RD & KM are so proud of their plans/their way of doing things. If they truly believe that they are right and the rest of the football world is wrong. Then why are they covering up, what goes on, with a tissue of lies ?

    Fanny, possibly among others, said that hopefully, this was all in the past and we could maybe move on.

    However, I can't find the SLP interview with Bob Peeters, but he also said the same, as did Rednic at Liege and I can't believe, that the most recent coach at Liege, was sacked because of results. They were unbeaten in about 10 games, won the majority and he moved them up from 12th to 5th. His reward, sacked !

    As I said at Woolwich, you can look at this two ways. Katrien's interpretation is that she speaks truth whereas none of the many people who have alluded to Roland's interference can be trusted because they are all "former employees". However, you could equally well argue that she is the only one being paid and therefore the only one with an ongoing interest in telling lies.

    Someone at one of these meetings should ask her specifically what was in the email received by Chris Powell before the Sheffield United game.
  • A very interesting development. I'm kind of on the fence on the timing of this.
    On the one hand, I think that the truth is the be all and end all and "publish and be damned".
    Yet on the other hand, the timing isn't great.

    However, I've been more vocal than many on this subject. It was I who questioned Katrien, on this very subject at the VIP meeting. The response was that anyone making such comments "had left the club".
    For me, that was, never a response of any meaning. For me, it was akin to "no comment".

    Especially, when Mick Everitt told Katrien not to answer.

    Now, the thing for me, is this.

    If RD & KM are so proud of their plans/their way of doing things. If they truly believe that they are right and the rest of the football world is wrong. Then why are they covering up, what goes on, with a tissue of lies ?

    Fanny, possibly among others, said that hopefully, this was all in the past and we could maybe move on.

    However, I can't find the SLP interview with Bob Peeters, but he also said the same, as did Rednic at Liege and I can't believe, that the most recent coach at Liege, was sacked because of results. They were unbeaten in about 10 games, won the majority and he moved them up from 12th to 5th. His reward, sacked !

    As I said at Woolwich, you can look at this two ways. Katrien's interpretation is that she speaks truth whereas none of the many people who have alluded to Roland's interference can be trusted because they are all "former employees". However, you could equally well argue that she is the only one being paid and therefore the only one with an ongoing interest in telling lies.

    Someone at one of these meetings should ask her specifically what was in the email received by Chris Powell before the Sheffield United game.
    Can you enlighten us about this said email AB? Have you also seen or read it?

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