There's nothing new in that Rodders, that stuff was floating around from last March and confirmed publicly in Dyer's SLP piece at the end of the season. That's not my time though. I doubt you would find many fans who will be shocked by revelations of RD interference.
The exact content of the interview is not my point though. It is the timing, and whether it is what a representative body should be doing, imo.
Well I'm certainly no hater, and I'll properly reserve judgement until I've read the whole thing and not just the snippet...
but gut instinct is I'm not fully sure on this. From a fanzine like VOTV, yes, from a local hack like the News Shopper, yes, from a representative body? really not sure.
Just grey lines on what imo a Trust should all be about, and this potentially strays that imo, given the timing and what I'm guessing will be the content.
I'm just not fully sure what this is setting out to achieve, and I say that with the utmost respect for the people involved, particularly the person who conducted the interview.
If having the read the full thing I feel differently. I'll be the first to out my hands up.
Slightly surprised at what you are writing there AFKA, since the other day you described TNT as a "fanzine". It was not then, and it is not now. "The person who conducted the interview" also conducted an interview with Katrien in August. She did not know in advance what she would hear then, and she wrote what she heard. Exactly the same applies here. We of course debated, quite rigorously, the pros and cons of running the article,once we knew what Chris had said, but we decided that what people want from the Trust is for it to ask valid and important questions of all relevant people so that we all better understand how our club is run. We don't duck it just because the answers are inconvenient, just as we didn't duck presenting an interview with Katrien which cast her and the direction of the club in a positive light.
My only gripe with this is that at a time when you want to promote communication with the club you publish something that could embarrass the current owner. Do you now honestly think "that trust is ok , let me go and talk to them"
Might be a good idea to wait for the whole interview to be posted eh!....... I will be outside the North stand giving them away to supporters on Saturday, hopefully with a few extra people to give out the 5,000 we have had printed. Come and give a helping hand mate.......
There's nothing new in that Rodders, that stuff was floating around from last March and confirmed publicly in Dyer's SLP piece at the end of the season. That's not my time though. I doubt you would find many fans who will be shocked by revelations of RD interference.
The exact content of the interview is not my point though. It is the timing, and whether it is what a representative body should be doing, imo.
Fair play mate, I missed the SLP thing.
Again my question stands though why is Murray so positive about the regime if this is the case? Appreciate he is probably in an awkward position but if he is a Charlton fan then surely he knows from his own experience Chairmen interfering in the playing side is detrimental. Perhaps he knows that it is better the devil you know and that at least we are a going concern and without RD there isn't anyone lining up to step in and fund the club.
There's nothing new in that Rodders, that stuff was floating around from last March and confirmed publicly in Dyer's SLP piece at the end of the season. That's not my time though. I doubt you would find many fans who will be shocked by revelations of RD interference.
The exact content of the interview is not my point though. It is the timing, and whether it is what a representative body should be doing, imo.
Fair play mate, I missed the SLP thing.
Again my question stands though why is Murray so positive about the regime if this is the case? Appreciate he is probably in an awkward position but if he is a Charlton fan then surely he knows from his own experience Chairmen interfering in the playing side is detrimental. Perhaps he knows that it is better the devil you know and that at least we are a going concern and without RD there isn't anyone lining up to step in and fund the club.
There's nothing new in that Rodders, that stuff was floating around from last March and confirmed publicly in Dyer's SLP piece at the end of the season. That's not my time though. I doubt you would find many fans who will be shocked by revelations of RD interference.
The exact content of the interview is not my point though. It is the timing, and whether it is what a representative body should be doing, imo.
Fair play mate, I missed the SLP thing.
Again my question stands though why is Murray so positive about the regime if this is the case? Appreciate he is probably in an awkward position but if he is a Charlton fan then surely he knows from his own experience Chairmen interfering in the playing side is detrimental. Perhaps he knows that it is better the devil you know and that at least we are a going concern and without RD there isn't anyone lining up to step in and fund the club.
But that's the point AFKA. Not everyone is aware of the Dyer SLP interview. There are still people who are sceptical about whether RD interfered or not. And Trust News is given out to people who never read Charlton Life or even the SLP. Surely, as a representative body, it is entirely appropriate for CAS Trust to be attempting to keep people informed from all angles about what is happening at our club ?
Well I'm certainly no hater, and I'll properly reserve judgement until I've read the whole thing and not just the snippet...
but gut instinct is I'm not fully sure on this. From a fanzine like VOTV, yes, from a local hack like the News Shopper, yes, from a representative body? really not sure.
Just grey lines on what imo a Trust should all be about, and this potentially strays that imo, given the timing and what I'm guessing will be the content.
I'm just not fully sure what this is setting out to achieve, and I say that with the utmost respect for the people involved, particularly the person who conducted the interview.
If having the read the full thing I feel differently. I'll be the first to out my hands up.
Slightly surprised at what you are writing there AFKA, since the other day you described TNT as a "fanzine". It was not then, and it is not now. "The person who conducted the interview" also conducted an interview with Katrien in August. She did not know in advance what she would hear then, and she wrote what she heard. Exactly the same applies here. We of course debated, quite rigorously, the pros and cons of running the article,once we knew what Chris had said, but we decided that what people want from the Trust is for it to ask valid and important questions of all relevant people so that we all better understand how our club is run. We don't duck it just because the answers are inconvenient, just as we didn't duck presenting an interview with Katrien which cast her and the direction of the club in a positive light.
As I said, just my opinion. You are I'm guessing of the mindset of publishing something hard hitting and impacting as it has been teasingly hinted all week. So I'm pretty sure you guys were well prepared that not all feedback would be 100% positive. I'm a long term supporter and paid subscriber of the Trust, and was complimentary of the planning of the recent meeting. But that doesn't mean if I don't agree on other aspects I or others shouldn't say.
My point is built on is this what the Trust should be doing on the day of a key game. And what ultimately this is hoping to achieve. It can't in my mind be anything other than to stir anti RD sentiment, if you are stripping out commercial gain as a motive.
But you are representative body that wants the best for Charlton and its fans. Saturday is a massive game, win Saturday we are a huge step towards safety. Not saying you are right. / wrong in taking your stance (it's clear I'm no RD fan), but the timing may be ideal for hitting 'numbers', but in terms of the short term best for Charlton, it just don't feel right for me.
Yes, I did recently describe TNT as a fanzine. It wasn't intended as a positive comment as as I've said to Barnie, you and others for a couple of years, chasing headlines and hits isn't my idea of what the focus should be for a Trust.
I'm not sure how you can effectively compare an enjoyable insight interview into the CEO with an interview with an ex manager, containing stuff derogatory against the current club governance, and the day of the game that the ex manager returns.
As I said in the first post, if the article is different to what I suspect then I will say, but I can only go on the snippet you've put out as your publicity generating lead.
Ok deep breath. I'm out tonight so just checking in briefly. I asked for interview a couple of weeks ago, and my email to the Hudders comms manager was about catching up with CP on eve of match, reminiscing and finding out he was getting on in new job. I met him in person a week ago. Soon became clear he had decided to tell it as it was without prompting because the fans deserve to hear it. That's all.
My only gripe with this is that at a time when you want to promote communication with the club you publish something that could embarrass the current owner. Do you now honestly think "that trust is ok , let me go and talk to them"
Might be a good idea to wait for the whole interview to be posted eh!....... I will be outside the North stand giving them away to supporters on Saturday, hopefully with a few extra people to give out the 5,000 we have had printed. Come and give a helping hand mate.......
Ken, I cannot wait to read it to be honest I just feel that it could potentially put more distance between the trust and the club. Which of course, no one wants.
The Trust want meaningful dialogue with the owner. Now you have totally undermined the owner. The Trust should be building bridges to enable a discourse, it has used dynamite to destroy that bridge. Good work!!
There have been folk saying that no way could Roland be picking the team. Well unless Chris Powell is lying, the snippet suggests that Alnwick and Hamer were pushed aside by Roland and Chris was pressurised to play Thuram.
Chris will be at the Valley on Saturday, and savvy journalists who see the interview may well ask him about it in the post match press conference (if I were a journo I certainly would), the same savvy journalists may also reference the 'owner dictates to the coach' thingy when interviewing Luzon post match.
If the interview didn't get published on Saturday then the opportunity for close questioning of two people who are closely linked to Mr Duchatelet may get lost.
For that reason the timing is excellent. It is also about the Trust representing the fans rather than being in any kind of thrall, and overall it can do nothing but good if we develop further insight as to whether we are a player farm or not.
What makes it even better is that there was no plan to set out to undermine the club. Chris Powell agreed the interview and it turns out that it is likely to be insightful and educative. Maybe Chris feels that by talking to the Trust he is effectively talking to the fans, and he may feel that after a year he should give the fans his point of view, especially given the loyalty a majority of those self same fans gave to him whilst at Charlton.
I'm not sure how you can effectively compare an enjoyable insight interview into the CEO with an interview with an ex manager, containing stuff derogatory against the current club governance, and the day of the game that the ex manager returns.
Well hopefully Weegie's subsequent comment explains to you that she had no idea in advance what kind of things Chris wanted to talk about, just as she had no idea what kind of things Katrien wanted to say.
Your position is straying close to saying that the Trust should not seek to talk to such people and write it up for the benefit of the fan base, at all. We totally disagree with that. It is always the case that some groups of fans think things are far worse than they are, and some think they are far better than they are. The truth will lie somewhere in-between and the more you get people to explain themselves, the closer you get to the truth. Sometimes, as with the Katrien article, it will push people towards the more positive view. This may indeed push people to the more negative view. However people will also weigh up that Chris Powell talks about things that happened a year ago, and that maybe some lessons have since been learnt. Katrien has pretty much admitted that mistakes were made.
Plenty of people I have seen dismissed Dyers comments. This is from the horses mouth so to speak. I am very interested to hear the interview. It isn't going to affect the match, players will know what is going on anyway so no big deal.
I think the Trust should absolutely be posting this sort of article. RD I am sure will be afforded the right to reply by the Trust, up to him whether he takes it.
Whilst I get what Dick says above about bridge building, it is simply not possible if one side aren't interested, they were not talking to the a Trust before this, they won't be after. No change, no harm done.
Strange Seth, because last week you stood up in front of a room full of 400 people and said that you weren't interested in communication and that all that matters is seeing Charlton win. Is Saturday now about national hacks picking up on this and putting pressure on Powell to spill the beans further ?
Ok deep breath. I'm out tonight so just checking in briefly. I asked for interview a couple of weeks ago, and my email to the Hudders comms manager was about catching up with CP on eve of match, reminiscing and finding out he was getting on in new job. I met him in person a week ago. Soon became clear he had decided to tell it as it was without prompting because the fans deserve to hear it. That's all.
Super work regardless of timing or anything and great for Chris to speak to you.
I'm sure lots of other media outlets have approached him for this kind of story - the fact he has chosen the Trust to "reveal" his side of the story says a lot about him and the affection he still holds for "us".
Well I'm certainly no hater, and I'll properly reserve judgement until I've read the whole thing and not just the snippet...
but gut instinct is I'm not fully sure on this. From a fanzine like VOTV, yes, from a local hack like the News Shopper, yes, from a representative body? really not sure.
Just grey lines on what imo a Trust should all be about, and this potentially strays that imo, given the timing and what I'm guessing will be the content.
I'm just not fully sure what this is setting out to achieve, and I say that with the utmost respect for the people involved, particularly the person who conducted the interview.
If having the read the full thing I feel differently. I'll be the first to out my hands up.
With you on this AFKA so will read it with interest. Definitely into a grey area on the face of it but will reserve judgement until I read it.
Hopefully I'm totally wrong but the timing of this seems a little 'political'.
There's the risk that this completely undermines the club before an important game.
Wish the timing was a bit better.
Wonder why Powell has chosen to release this interview now, almost as if he's trying to get his team in the best possible position to win the match.
I think that our club has been undermined already, and then some. CP - Charlton through and through - was hurt by what happened to him. I'm not at all surprised that he has spoken so openly. He knew what we were about. It's a great shame that certain others, apparently, do not.
I'm not sure how you can effectively compare an enjoyable insight interview into the CEO with an interview with an ex manager, containing stuff derogatory against the current club governance, and the day of the game that the ex manager returns.
Well hopefully Weegie's subsequent comment explains to you that she had no idea in advance what kind of things Chris wanted to talk about, just as she had no idea what kind of things Katrien wanted to say.
Your position is straying close to saying that the Trust should not seek to talk to such people
That's not what I'm saying at all, and you are not reading my points if you are seeing that.
Saturday to me is all about Charlton trying to win a very important game. That should be everyone's priority, not publicity or stirring anti ownership feeling. You've got the whole summer run to go down that road.
The outcome of the public meeting last week was that the room voted unanimously to aim for further dialogue with the club rather than to go on the offensive. This in the next home game doesn't support that agreed approach of the room imo.
Last on me on this, as I said I'll read the full thing on Saturday and see, but I can't believe that with the teaser you put out you didn't think anyone would question this.
AFKA, Stonemuse please read the full interview before you pass too much further judgment.
I am also aware that a lot of the stuff in the extract was previously said by Dyer but now CP has confirmed it.
It may be (and I hope it is) a fantastic interview with a new insight into the problems encountered by CP, but what impact will it have on the already strained relationship between the trust and the club?
I personally hope that it brings Roland to the table and openly talk but as we all know, he is a stubborn man. With that in mind, I fear the opposite.
Strange Seth, because last week you stood up in front of a room full of 400 people and said that you weren't interested in communication and that all that matters is seeing Charlton win. Is Saturday now about national hacks picking up on this and putting pressure on Powell to spill the beans further ?
If you watch the video, what I said was that I personally wouldn't seek communication, and the current communication was 'all fluff and nonsense', and that 'what would bring me back was wins'. This was the day after we had had the young lad video interview with Katrien, and the VIP meeting interview which was indeed all fluff and nonsense to me. Indeed indeed I still want us to win against Huddersfield too.
My comment on the Trust piece is not in any way out of line with that point of view is it?
However it seems like a great scoop (and I had no idea until this evening that there was going to be this interview), and if hacks pick it up then all the better. The club in the 'sex tape' promotion seems to be saying they can play media games, if this interview opens the door for that self same media to come back at them then so be it.
The most important point really is about whether Mr Duchatelet is picking the team or not, or to what end, and we can talk about timing, and bridge building or demolition as much as we like, but in the vacuum we're in, all credible information is going to prove valuable, and I mean information more than communication.
Right now when season tickets are going to be heavily promoted, 'so as to build a better future together' I am prepared to learn the lessons from the past in order to try to judge what exactly that future is going to be like.
I'm not sure how you can effectively compare an enjoyable insight interview into the CEO with an interview with an ex manager, containing stuff derogatory against the current club governance, and the day of the game that the ex manager returns.
Well hopefully Weegie's subsequent comment explains to you that she had no idea in advance what kind of things Chris wanted to talk about, just as she had no idea what kind of things Katrien wanted to say.
Your position is straying close to saying that the Trust should not seek to talk to such people
That's not what I'm saying at all, and you are not reading my points if you are seeing that.
Saturday to me is all about Charlton trying to win a very important game. That should be everyone's priority, not publicity or stirring anti ownership feeling. You've got the whole summer run to go down that road.
The outcome of the public meeting last week was that the room voted unanimously to aim for further dialogue with the club rather than to go on the offensive. This in the next home game doesn't support that agreed approach of the room imo.
Last on me on this, as I said I'll read the full thing on Saturday and see, but I can't believe that with the teaser you put out you didn't think anyone would question this.
I'm not sure how you can effectively compare an enjoyable insight interview into the CEO with an interview with an ex manager, containing stuff derogatory against the current club governance, and the day of the game that the ex manager returns.
Well hopefully Weegie's subsequent comment explains to you that she had no idea in advance what kind of things Chris wanted to talk about, just as she had no idea what kind of things Katrien wanted to say.
Your position is straying close to saying that the Trust should not seek to talk to such people
That's not what I'm saying at all, and you are not reading my points if you are seeing that.
Saturday to me is all about Charlton trying to win a very important game. That should be everyone's priority, not publicity or stirring anti ownership feeling. You've got the whole summer run to go down that road.
The outcome of the public meeting last week was that the room voted unanimously to aim for further dialogue with the club rather than to go on the offensive. This in the next home game doesn't support that agreed approach of the room imo.
Last on me on this, as I said I'll read the full thing on Saturday and see, but I can't believe that with the teaser you put out you didn't think anyone would question this.
Says it for me too ... Now waiting for Saturday ...hope I am not disappointed as I have been a Trust member from the start.
Good scoop for the Trust News. I was offered a Chris Powell interview yesterday - by a third party and not instigated by Chris - but I demurred as I knew it would look like a spoiler. I find it hard to understand how people imagine that an interview with the opposition manager will conceivably undermine the team and current manager on the day it is published. The players still here all know what went on. It doesn't affect the ones who weren't or Luzon.
What I hope it will do is nail once and for all the lie that Duchatelet was only expressing the normal concerns of an owner when the team is losing and he has provided resources for players who are not in the team. It begs question of Katrien Meire's comments at the VIP meeting that need to be asked.
The Trust should seek out the truth, not compromise it to get in a room with people who have shown them and the people they represent no respect. A relationship based on lies is no relationship at all.
This is not about 'publicity' nor stirring anti ownership feeling. It is CP deciding to go on the record to tell the truth. Once he did that, what were we supposed to do- ignore it?
If I have one regret it is that the interview happened after the public meeting, not before, as it may have added value on the evening. We genuinely had no idea that he was going to be so frank.
Good scoop for the Trust News. I was offered a Chris Powell interview yesterday - by a third party and not instigated by Chris - but I demurred as I knew it would look like a spoiler. I find it hard to understand how people imagine that an interview with the opposition manager will conceivably undermine the team and current manager on the day it is published. The players still here all know what went on. It doesn't affect the ones who weren't or Luzon.
What I hope it will do is nail once and for all the lie that Duchatelet was only expressing the normal views of a owner when the team is losing and he has provided resources for players who are not in the team. It begs question of Katrien Meire's comments at the VIP meeting that need to be asked.
The Trust should seek out the truth, not compromise it to get in a room with people who have shown them and the people they represent no respect. A relationship based on lies is no relationship at all.
Fair enough AB but this is what I expect to see ...and hopefully always will ...from VOTV.
AFKA covers my view very succinctly: "The outcome of the public meeting last week was that the room voted unanimously to aim for further dialogue with the club rather than to go on the offensive. This in the next home game doesn't support that agreed approach of the room imo."
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The exact content of the interview is not my point though. It is the timing, and whether it is what a representative body should be doing, imo.
I will be outside the North stand giving them away to supporters on Saturday, hopefully with a few extra people to give out the 5,000 we have had printed.
Come and give a helping hand mate.......
Again my question stands though why is Murray so positive about the regime if this is the case? Appreciate he is probably in an awkward position but if he is a Charlton fan then surely he knows from his own experience Chairmen interfering in the playing side is detrimental. Perhaps he knows that it is better the devil you know and that at least we are a going concern and without RD there isn't anyone lining up to step in and fund the club.
But that's the point AFKA. Not everyone is aware of the Dyer SLP interview. There are still people who are sceptical about whether RD interfered or not. And Trust News is given out to people who never read Charlton Life or even the SLP. Surely, as a representative body, it is entirely appropriate for CAS Trust to be attempting to keep people informed from all angles about what is happening at our club ?
My point is built on is this what the Trust should be doing on the day of a key game. And what ultimately this is hoping to achieve. It can't in my mind be anything other than to stir anti RD sentiment, if you are stripping out commercial gain as a motive.
But you are representative body that wants the best for Charlton and its fans. Saturday is a massive game, win Saturday we are a huge step towards safety. Not saying you are right. / wrong in taking your stance (it's clear I'm no RD fan), but the timing may be ideal for hitting 'numbers', but in terms of the short term best for Charlton, it just don't feel right for me.
Yes, I did recently describe TNT as a fanzine. It wasn't intended as a positive comment as as I've said to Barnie, you and others for a couple of years, chasing headlines and hits isn't my idea of what the focus should be for a Trust.
I'm not sure how you can effectively compare an enjoyable insight interview into the CEO with an interview with an ex manager, containing stuff derogatory against the current club governance, and the day of the game that the ex manager returns.
As I said in the first post, if the article is different to what I suspect then I will say, but I can only go on the snippet you've put out as your publicity generating lead.
Chris will be at the Valley on Saturday, and savvy journalists who see the interview may well ask him about it in the post match press conference (if I were a journo I certainly would), the same savvy journalists may also reference the 'owner dictates to the coach' thingy when interviewing Luzon post match.
If the interview didn't get published on Saturday then the opportunity for close questioning of two people who are closely linked to Mr Duchatelet may get lost.
For that reason the timing is excellent. It is also about the Trust representing the fans rather than being in any kind of thrall, and overall it can do nothing but good if we develop further insight as to whether we are a player farm or not.
What makes it even better is that there was no plan to set out to undermine the club. Chris Powell agreed the interview and it turns out that it is likely to be insightful and educative. Maybe Chris feels that by talking to the Trust he is effectively talking to the fans, and he may feel that after a year he should give the fans his point of view, especially given the loyalty a majority of those self same fans gave to him whilst at Charlton.
Looking forward to reading the whole thing.
I'm not sure how you can effectively compare an enjoyable insight interview into the CEO with an interview with an ex manager, containing stuff derogatory against the current club governance, and the day of the game that the ex manager returns.
Well hopefully Weegie's subsequent comment explains to you that she had no idea in advance what kind of things Chris wanted to talk about, just as she had no idea what kind of things Katrien wanted to say.
Your position is straying close to saying that the Trust should not seek to talk to such people and write it up for the benefit of the fan base, at all. We totally disagree with that. It is always the case that some groups of fans think things are far worse than they are, and some think they are far better than they are. The truth will lie somewhere in-between and the more you get people to explain themselves, the closer you get to the truth. Sometimes, as with the Katrien article, it will push people towards the more positive view. This may indeed push people to the more negative view. However people will also weigh up that Chris Powell talks about things that happened a year ago, and that maybe some lessons have since been learnt. Katrien has pretty much admitted that mistakes were made.
I think the Trust should absolutely be posting this sort of article. RD I am sure will be afforded the right to reply by the Trust, up to him whether he takes it.
Whilst I get what Dick says above about bridge building, it is simply not possible if one side aren't interested, they were not talking to the a Trust before this, they won't be after. No change, no harm done.
I'm sure lots of other media outlets have approached him for this kind of story - the fact he has chosen the Trust to "reveal" his side of the story says a lot about him and the affection he still holds for "us".
Hopefully I'm totally wrong but the timing of this seems a little 'political'.
CP - Charlton through and through - was hurt by what happened to him. I'm not at all surprised that he has spoken so openly.
He knew what we were about. It's a great shame that certain others, apparently, do not.
AFKA, Stonemuse please read the full interview before you pass too much further judgment.
I am also aware that a lot of the stuff in the extract was previously said by Dyer but now CP has confirmed it.
Saturday to me is all about Charlton trying to win a very important game. That should be everyone's priority, not publicity or stirring anti ownership feeling. You've got the whole summer run to go down that road.
The outcome of the public meeting last week was that the room voted unanimously to aim for further dialogue with the club rather than to go on the offensive. This in the next home game doesn't support that agreed approach of the room imo.
Last on me on this, as I said I'll read the full thing on Saturday and see, but I can't believe that with the teaser you put out you didn't think anyone would question this.
I personally hope that it brings Roland to the table and openly talk but as we all know, he is a stubborn man. With that in mind, I fear the opposite.
My comment on the Trust piece is not in any way out of line with that point of view is it?
However it seems like a great scoop (and I had no idea until this evening that there was going to be this interview), and if hacks pick it up then all the better. The club in the 'sex tape' promotion seems to be saying they can play media games, if this interview opens the door for that self same media to come back at them then so be it.
The most important point really is about whether Mr Duchatelet is picking the team or not, or to what end, and we can talk about timing, and bridge building or demolition as much as we like, but in the vacuum we're in, all credible information is going to prove valuable, and I mean information more than communication.
Right now when season tickets are going to be heavily promoted, 'so as to build a better future together' I am prepared to learn the lessons from the past in order to try to judge what exactly that future is going to be like.
What I hope it will do is nail once and for all the lie that Duchatelet was only expressing the normal concerns of an owner when the team is losing and he has provided resources for players who are not in the team. It begs question of Katrien Meire's comments at the VIP meeting that need to be asked.
The Trust should seek out the truth, not compromise it to get in a room with people who have shown them and the people they represent no respect. A relationship based on lies is no relationship at all.
If I have one regret it is that the interview happened after the public meeting, not before, as it may have added value on the evening. We genuinely had no idea that he was going to be so frank.
AFKA covers my view very succinctly:
"The outcome of the public meeting last week was that the room voted unanimously to aim for further dialogue with the club rather than to go on the offensive. This in the next home game doesn't support that agreed approach of the room imo."