Might have been mentioned already, but seems like this may actually be pretty convenient for the club's senior management.
It takes a lot of the pressure out of a game that Luzon couldn't realistically have influenced anyway - giving him more time to settle, along with fan emotions. A loss today with Luzon in charge would probably spark a pretty poisonous backlash (righly or wrongly).
Might have been mentioned already, but seems like this may actually be pretty convenient for the club's senior management.
It takes a lot of the pressure out of a game that Luzon couldn't realistically have influenced anyway - giving him more time to settle, along with fan emotions. A loss today with Luzon in charge would probably spark a pretty poisonous backlash (righly or wrongly).
Surely it just drags the whole saga on for at least another week?
I understand there is an approved route for these things, agreed in conjunction with the Home Office, the FA and the PFA (acknowledging Luzon is not a player). One possibility is that the club tried to go outside this. Another is that Luzon did not have the right paperwork with him. In any event, despite the attempts on here to blame the Home Office in order to avoid the implication the club got it wrong again, it's notable that the club doesn't say the HO is at fault.
I don't know if anyone except the parties directly involved can truly say whether this was a balls-up by the club, the home office, heck maybe even Luzon himself ticked the wrong box somewhere by mistake or there was a silly but time-wasting clerical error but some poor office drone trying to fit one last application in before he/she went home and put the file on the wrong pile - simple human error.
Duchatalet is clearly fully expecting absolutely no problems with the application at all and while there has been a cock-up somewhere I think rumours that the application will be rejected are well wide of the mark, and mere wishful thinking/panic.
Seems there is something called a Super Premium Service in which they will process the application on the same day and come and collect all the documentation for a £6,000 fee, although you have to make an appointment.
Saw this theory earlier tonight that this may be a cover up because the player have vented their disappointment of Luzon's appointment and even refusing to play. Just something I have seen and not my words.
RD would probably just get rid of the players in that situation, so I doubt it.
Jeez Airman, give it a rest.
I'm quite serious about that. No owner would or could allow the players to overturn a manager/coach appointment before he'd started, however bonkers it was. The point isn't specific to RD.
Can't spend that, it's been saved up for the new striker.
I understand there is an approved route for these things, agreed in conjunction with the Home Office, the FA and the PFA (acknowledging Luzon is not a player). One possibility is that the club tried to go outside this. Another is that Luzon did not have the right paperwork with him. In any event, despite the attempts on here to blame the Home Office in order to avoid the implication the club got it wrong again, it's notable that the club doesn't say the HO is at fault.
I don't actually think that's notable, just prudent: it would not seem too sensible to hurl blame onto the Home Office at this stage. If there's anything that's at all likely to get a bureaucrat to process something more slowly than they otherwise would have done or not process it at all, I'd suggest that dumping crap on them before they've tamped the rubber stamp in the ink pad is a sure fire method.
I understand there is an approved route for these things, agreed in conjunction with the Home Office, the FA and the PFA (acknowledging Luzon is not a player). One possibility is that the club tried to go outside this. Another is that Luzon did not have the right paperwork with him. In any event, despite the attempts on here to blame the Home Office in order to avoid the implication the club got it wrong again, it's notable that the club doesn't say the HO is at fault.
I don't actually think that's notable, just prudent: it would not seem too sensible to hurl blame onto the Home Office at this stage. If there's anything that's at all likely to get a bureaucrat to process something more slowly than they otherwise would have done or not process it at all, I'd suggest that dumping crap on them before they've tamped the rubber stamp in the ink pad is a sure fire method.
Rumour has it the head coach has been lined up for weeks. Is this just a clumsy side show to make it appear that he wasn't? The network must know work permit requirements inside out, this all seems odd.
Rumour has it the head coach has been lined up for weeks. Is this just a clumsy side show to make it appear that he wasn't? The network must know work permit requirements inside out, this all seems odd.
Not that I am defending the network or what went on, but they won't have this knowledge. Despite what Farage has you believe, each EU country makes its own rules regarding non EU work permits. In particular Belgium has been an easy touch for footballers, as others have noted . It might be that they had a "Belgium mindset", approaching this.
Generally I opt for cock-up over conspiracy in most such cases.
Evil RD and his female mini me have concocted a conspiracy of labyrinthine complexity to ensure that the clone Lex Luzon will dodge the Charlton equivalent of Kryptonite (flasks of coffee and pies) at the home of football, Watford, thus ensuring his reign of evil will continue for at least 6 months.
Rumour has it the head coach has been lined up for weeks. Is this just a clumsy side show to make it appear that he wasn't? The network must know work permit requirements inside out, this all seems odd.
Not that I am defending the network or what went on, but they won't have this knowledge. Despite what Farage has you believe, each EU country makes its own rules regarding non EU work permits. In particular Belgium has been an easy touch for footballers, as others have noted . It might be that they had a "Belgium mindset", approaching this.
Generally I opt for cock-up over conspiracy in most such cases.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
I understand there is an approved route for these things, agreed in conjunction with the Home Office, the FA and the PFA (acknowledging Luzon is not a player). One possibility is that the club tried to go outside this. Another is that Luzon did not have the right paperwork with him. In any event, despite the attempts on here to blame the Home Office in order to avoid the implication the club got it wrong again, it's notable that the club doesn't say the HO is at fault.
I don't actually think that's notable, just prudent: it would not seem too sensible to hurl blame onto the Home Office at this stage. If there's anything that's at all likely to get a bureaucrat to process something more slowly than they otherwise would have done or not process it at all, I'd suggest that dumping crap on them before they've tamped the rubber stamp in the ink pad is a sure fire method.
The Home Office will also want to demonstrate that proper process is followed in this relatively high profile situation + that Work Visas to the UK are not automatically provided. The officials will likely want to show that the process is stringent. Announcing the Luzon appointment and showing him taking up the role in leading coaching sessions without sorting out the needed application first is not going to help. It is not showing respect for the process. That will likely irritate the Home Office.
Not saying that Luzon won't get a permit, but the club are demonstrating the way not to do it. It is likely because Belgium immigration law is more routine to navigate. The club is run from a Belgium perspective. This episode demonstrates that perfectly.
Rumour has it the head coach has been lined up for weeks. Is this just a clumsy side show to make it appear that he wasn't? The network must know work permit requirements inside out, this all seems odd.
Not that I am defending the network or what went on, but they won't have this knowledge. Despite what Farage has you believe, each EU country makes its own rules regarding non EU work permits. In particular Belgium has been an easy touch for footballers, as others have noted . It might be that they had a "Belgium mindset", approaching this.
Generally I opt for cock-up over conspiracy in most such cases.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Rumour has it the head coach has been lined up for weeks. Is this just a clumsy side show to make it appear that he wasn't? The network must know work permit requirements inside out, this all seems odd.
Not that I am defending the network or what went on, but they won't have this knowledge. Despite what Farage has you believe, each EU country makes its own rules regarding non EU work permits. In particular Belgium has been an easy touch for footballers, as others have noted . It might be that they had a "Belgium mindset", approaching this.
Generally I opt for cock-up over conspiracy in most such cases.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Hanlon's razor.
Good quote!
Prague, I make you right.
But what are these "razors" people keep talking about nowadays? Who TF is Hanlon? And what is that other "razor"? Occult or something :-)?
Whatever the rights and wrongs of this farce, the simple facts of the matter are that this regime does not inspire confidence in its footballing, administrative or communications-related decision-making. They make me quite ill actually.
Rumour has it the head coach has been lined up for weeks. Is this just a clumsy side show to make it appear that he wasn't? The network must know work permit requirements inside out, this all seems odd.
Not that I am defending the network or what went on, but they won't have this knowledge. Despite what Farage has you believe, each EU country makes its own rules regarding non EU work permits. In particular Belgium has been an easy touch for footballers, as others have noted . It might be that they had a "Belgium mindset", approaching this.
Generally I opt for cock-up over conspiracy in most such cases.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Hanlon's razor.
Good quote!
Prague, I make you right.
But what are these "razors" people keep talking about nowadays? Who TF is Hanlon? And what is that other "razor"? Occult or something :-)?
Don't worry. After Watford beat us today there will be more razors on here than you can shake a wrist at.
Rumour has it the head coach has been lined up for weeks. Is this just a clumsy side show to make it appear that he wasn't? The network must know work permit requirements inside out, this all seems odd.
Not that I am defending the network or what went on, but they won't have this knowledge. Despite what Farage has you believe, each EU country makes its own rules regarding non EU work permits. In particular Belgium has been an easy touch for footballers, as others have noted . It might be that they had a "Belgium mindset", approaching this.
Generally I opt for cock-up over conspiracy in most such cases.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Hanlon's razor.
Good quote!
Prague, I make you right.
But what are these "razors" people keep talking about nowadays? Who TF is Hanlon? And what is that other "razor"? Occult or something :-)?
Occam's razor, which states something along the lines of where there are competing hypotheses, pick the one with the fewest assumptions. (In the end of course it may turn out that a more complicated explanation is the correct one, but when working quickly the fewer assumptions the better.)
Either that, or it's an old, old wooden ship used in the US Civil War era. I dunno.
Rumour has it the head coach has been lined up for weeks. Is this just a clumsy side show to make it appear that he wasn't? The network must know work permit requirements inside out, this all seems odd.
Not that I am defending the network or what went on, but they won't have this knowledge. Despite what Farage has you believe, each EU country makes its own rules regarding non EU work permits. In particular Belgium has been an easy touch for footballers, as others have noted . It might be that they had a "Belgium mindset", approaching this.
Generally I opt for cock-up over conspiracy in most such cases.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Hanlon's razor.
Good quote!
Prague, I make you right.
But what are these "razors" people keep talking about nowadays? Who TF is Hanlon? And what is that other "razor"? Occult or something :-)?
Surely if trying to get a work permit for a non-EU national you have to show you tried, but couldn't fill the roll with a locally available worker of the same quality, something the club will find impossible yo do. There's a big difference for example in a club bringing in world cup winner Scolari, and unknown Israeli Luzon.
Regarding the question as to whether the club would need to demonstrate no UK based individual could do the job, a previous poster who seemed to have some expertise suggested this was not an issue if the individual earned over 3k p/w. However, I found another document on the home office site that states:
In order for a Certificate of Sponsorship to be assigned, your sponsor will need to have obtained an endorsement for you from the appropriate governing body for your sport. The endorsement will confirm that: you are internationally established as a player or coach at the highest level, and you will make a significant contribution to the development of your sport at the highest level in the UK; and you intend to be based in the UK for the duration of your permission to stay; and your post could not be filled by a suitable settled worker.
No mention of an exception for high paid workers there.
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Should have lined this guy up before sacking Bob.
It takes a lot of the pressure out of a game that Luzon couldn't realistically have influenced anyway - giving him more time to settle, along with fan emotions. A loss today with Luzon in charge would probably spark a pretty poisonous backlash (righly or wrongly).
Duchatalet is clearly fully expecting absolutely no problems with the application at all and while there has been a cock-up somewhere I think rumours that the application will be rejected are well wide of the mark, and mere wishful thinking/panic.
Generally I opt for cock-up over conspiracy in most such cases.
Hanlon's razor.
Not saying that Luzon won't get a permit, but the club are demonstrating the way not to do it. It is likely because Belgium immigration law is more routine to navigate. The club is run from a Belgium perspective. This episode demonstrates that perfectly.
Prague, I make you right.
Either that, or it's an old, old wooden ship used in the US Civil War era. I dunno.
Peaky Belgians
In order for a Certificate of Sponsorship to be assigned, your sponsor will need to have obtained an endorsement for you from the appropriate governing body for your sport. The endorsement will confirm that:
you are internationally established as a player or coach at the highest level, and
you will make a significant contribution to the development of your sport at the highest
level in the UK; and
you intend to be based in the UK for the duration of your permission to stay; and
your post could not be filled by a suitable settled worker.
No mention of an exception for high paid workers there.