I wonder why Roland has so little respect for us. Katrien's claim that sacking Bob wasn't planned and we were going to cast the net wide for a replacement was posted on Monday. By 6pm Tuesday we had Luzon in. That statement wasn't even necessary. It was put in place to placate us ahead of an appointment a day later that clearly displayed the statement's disingenuousness. It feels like we're being knowingly treated like fools. Doesn't feel great.
While the managerial merry go round is a bit of a farce, it did seem that BP wasn't getting the best out of the team, so hopefully Luzon can rebuild team spirit. At the moment we're mid table in the second division, historically where we've often been... I don't know Luzon well enough to know whether he'll be successful or not, but to be fair to him most managers have suffered some sort of failure in their career, so maybe this season with SL was his. He knows many of our squad, and Watt really rates him. My hope is that RD will recognise the anger and actually give him some money for a decent non network acquisition this window, which could make all the difference to our season, as I genuinely don't think our squad is that bad.
“We know how important it is to make sure this next appointment is the right one because I understand that this club needs and deserves a Head Coach who can plan and take charge for the long-term.''
Gives a contract of just over a year and we all know he'll be gone in less than that.
Has it occured to you that perhaps Luzon didn't want to commit himself to more than a year given the way he had been previously treated under RD?
What the way he got to leave Liege and still stay on RD's payroll as having another 'role' within the network? What a crap deal eh?
He only gave Peeters a year as well, I doubt Luzon had any influence over the length of the contract, long or short.
“We know how important it is to make sure this next appointment is the right one because I understand that this club needs and deserves a Head Coach who can plan and take charge for the long-term.''
Gives a contract of just over a year and we all know he'll be gone in less than that.
Has it occured to you that perhaps Luzon didn't want to commit himself to more than a year given the way he had been previously treated under RD?
But then that would make it that Luzon is such a good manager that we must sign at all costs and on his terms. That what he wants is more important than "this club needs and deserves a head coach who can plan and take charge for the long term"? I know that isn't actually what you mean but that is the only way you can get from KM's statement to what has ended up happening. Unless of course one just accepts that she was lying.
Only when Roger Alwen and then Richard Murray (Pre Dowie) did we ever have our Charlton.
For 50 years we had the Gliksten family. i'm sure Henry or Red chaser will let you know how they missed the oppotunity for Cafc to be the Arsenal of south London.
sorry guys for most of our history it's been a battle for the fans to accept what the management has done.
good luck Guy Luzon, your need it.
Good point. Pretty much everyone slated The Glikstens, Mark Hulyer & Sunleys. Roger Alwen was seen as a good guy and so was Richard Murray, although many no longer see Richard Murray as a good guy/success.
Jimenez and Slater - well I daren't say what I think, as I don't want to be sued.
RD, ok it's all very bizarre.
But we want our Charlton back etc. Twas ever thus in reality.
Maybe we had our Charlton in the 70's and 80's, but there were only 4,000 of us attending.
Firstly, thanks to the poster who said Luzon was on evens yesterday and that it was a licence to print money. I followed the advice and have a silver lining. When Luzon is sacked I suggest everyone gets on Fraeye very quickly indeed.
Secondly, welcome Luzon. I know little about you. It is joint with Dowie the most underwhelmed I have been about a managerial appointment. Every part of me tells me you will fail and we will end up with more Eurotrash in the team with no soul, no spine and heading to League 1 but hopefully you prove me wrong.
Thirdly, RD clearly has absolutely no interest in what his paying customers feel. This seems a daft businessman to me, especially with season ticket renewals around the corner. I won't be bringing anyone to the football for a fiver for the first time in a long time as I am now pretty embarrassed by what our club has become.
Fourth, Murray, if you want to keep any credibility you should probably stand down.
Fifth, if Solly is sold to Palace then that is it. I will not renew. I would be absolutely fuming.
so he was at The Valley for 6 hours, i wonder what that was needed for ?
5 mins to say hello again to Roland via Skype 10 mins for a coffee 10 mins to look at the players available from the Roland Euro Trash 5 mins to say hi to Kat and tell her what Roland wants 5 1/2 hours to learn football clichés in English " sick as a parrot"---"individual errors"---"cant fault the effort"
Luzon says he has no interest in Charlton in that video ... Lets hope he shows some bloody interest now
Yet at that point in time we had already shipped in some players from the club he was 'head coach' of, so what does that tell you when he says he has 'no interest' in a club he was having dealings with at that time? It looks to me like he is basically laughing at Jose Riga, 'never heard of him'. If Luzon feels at ease treating others that way, then he ought to have a nicely developed visceral understanding if he himself is ever on the receiving end of such treatment.
Ok yes Roland is playing Russian roulette with our club but what if Mr Luzon is now given money to spend brings in top players we go on a run and not just make the playoffs but finish 2nd, what will people think then!!? Luzon apparently broke losts of records in his first season at Liege! Seriously lets give him a chance!. No room for sentiment in business in this day and age so if Wiggins, Jacko ,Solly etc are frozen out it yes will be hard for them but this is football anything could happen!! Welcome Guy Luzon and good luck
What if he doesn't and we go on a run and finish 2nd bottom? I see you've read the OS spiel which conveniently forgets to mention how Luzon's Liege season actually ended.
I wish him well obviously and don't really have any strong opinions on his appointment per se. It's everything going on around it, the blatant lies and RD's failing to learn and down right egotistical arrogance that is pissing me off. Here's hoping the appointment works out this time.
I'm just being confident because I love this club!!
so he was at The Valley for 6 hours, i wonder what that was needed for ?
5 mins to say hello again to Roland via Skype 10 mins for a coffee 10 mins to look at the players available from the Roland Euro Trash 5 mins to say hi to Kat and tell her what Roland wants 5 1/2 hours to learn football clichés in English " sick as a parrot"---"individual errors"---"cant fault the effort"
I wouldn't mind betting he has never attended a game in the English Championship. He could not name you, which teams make the up the championship, and until two weeks ago was part of the Charlton ? Is that Bobby Or Jacky gang ?
In other words he has no bloody idea what to expect !
so he was at The Valley for 6 hours, i wonder what that was needed for ?
5 mins to say hello again to Roland via Skype 10 mins for a coffee 10 mins to look at the players available from the Roland Euro Trash 5 mins to say hi to Kat and tell her what Roland wants 5 1/2 hours to learn football clichés in English " sick as a parrot"---"individual errors"---"cant fault the effort"
I think he spent a bit of time doing some painting and clearing some bird shit off a couple of seats as well.
I want my Charlton back? Get a grip. Just how many of the names on the Sky bet list did you actually want? More importantly, how many did you actively NOT want? How many did you REALLY think he would actively consider given his record?
Why are you all calling them liars? They had their main target and paused to consider if there was anyone else. You obviously do not believe this to be true. However, why the wait? They could have appointed without the wait and without the press release -so why the wait and the press release? Just to wind us up? I do not think we rank that high!
I would suggest a name came up that they wished to consider. I also would suggest the possability that this would also be a name we may not have heard of. Given RDs history it was never going to bè a local boy, was it? Mathews was the only local family candidate, but I do not think it was him.
I suspect that there was another candidate that was considered and interviewed (video conferencing? ), but was not better than Guy.
Whatever, we have what we have. The only way is up!
Hopefully won't be a disaster. RD will continue ploughing ahead until he finds success or we end up in the Conference - he has a cunning plan which most of us don't share. Luzon excites me as much as Dowie and Uncle Les did.
I want my Charlton back? Get a grip. Just how many of the names on the Sky bet list did you actually want? More importantly, how many did you actively NOT want? How many did you REALLY think he would actively consider given his record?
Why are you all calling them liars? They had their main target and paused to consider if there was anyone else. You obviously do not believe this to be true. However, why the wait? They could have appointed without the wait and without the press release -so why the wait and the press release? Just to wind us up? I do not think we rank that high!
I would suggest a name came up that they wished to consider. I also would suggest the possability that this would also be a name we may not have heard of. Given RDs history it was never going to bè a local boy, was it? Mathews was the only local family candidate, but I do not think it was him.
I suspect that there was another candidate that was considered and interviewed (video conferencing? ), but was not better than Guy.
Whatever, we have what we have. The only way is up!
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We are not the first set of fans to be treated like shit by an owner and we won't be the last.
He's ploughed his money in so we just have to roll with it I'm afraid.
If he wins his first few games no one will give a monkeys about what has happened, such is the fickle nature of football.
Much more annoyed/concerned when the rumours of leaving the Valley were circulating not too long ago.
I don't know Luzon well enough to know whether he'll be successful or not, but to be fair to him most managers have suffered some sort of failure in their career, so maybe this season with SL was his. He knows many of our squad, and Watt really rates him. My hope is that RD will recognise the anger and actually give him some money for a decent non network acquisition this window, which could make all the difference to our season, as I genuinely don't think our squad is that bad.
What the way he got to leave Liege and still stay on RD's payroll as having another 'role' within the network? What a crap deal eh?
He only gave Peeters a year as well, I doubt Luzon had any influence over the length of the contract, long or short.
But then that would make it that Luzon is such a good manager that we must sign at all costs and on his terms. That what he wants is more important than "this club needs and deserves a head coach who can plan and take charge for the long term"?
I know that isn't actually what you mean but that is the only way you can get from KM's statement to what has ended up happening. Unless of course one just accepts that she was lying.
Backed Roland and co to the hilt and feel royally mugged off. So disappointed
Long term? Nah, just utilising someone who is going to be paid anyway.
Roger Alwen was seen as a good guy and so was Richard Murray, although many no longer see Richard Murray as a good guy/success.
Jimenez and Slater - well I daren't say what I think, as I don't want to be sued.
RD, ok it's all very bizarre.
But we want our Charlton back etc. Twas ever thus in reality.
Maybe we had our Charlton in the 70's and 80's, but there were only 4,000 of us attending.
Secondly, welcome Luzon. I know little about you. It is joint with Dowie the most underwhelmed I have been about a managerial appointment. Every part of me tells me you will fail and we will end up with more Eurotrash in the team with no soul, no spine and heading to League 1 but hopefully you prove me wrong.
Thirdly, RD clearly has absolutely no interest in what his paying customers feel. This seems a daft businessman to me, especially with season ticket renewals around the corner. I won't be bringing anyone to the football for a fiver for the first time in a long time as I am now pretty embarrassed by what our club has become.
Fourth, Murray, if you want to keep any credibility you should probably stand down.
Fifth, if Solly is sold to Palace then that is it. I will not renew. I would be absolutely fuming.
Presumably then, you want our better players to go to Standard Liege ?
That will please you ?
5 mins to say hello again to Roland via Skype
10 mins for a coffee
10 mins to look at the players available from the Roland Euro Trash
5 mins to say hi to Kat and tell her what Roland wants
5 1/2 hours to learn football clichés in English " sick as a parrot"---"individual errors"---"cant fault the effort"
If Luzon feels at ease treating others that way, then he ought to have a nicely developed visceral understanding if he himself is ever on the receiving end of such treatment.
In other words he has no bloody idea what to expect !
RD will end up hiring one of his kids as Charlton manager, keep it in the network, someone he can trust (and is younger then JJ)
I want my Charlton back? Get a grip. Just how many of the names on the Sky bet list did you actually want? More importantly, how many did you actively NOT want? How many did you REALLY think he would actively consider given his record?
Why are you all calling them liars? They had their main target and paused to consider if there was anyone else. You obviously do not believe this to be true. However, why the wait? They could have appointed without the wait and without the press release -so why the wait and the press release? Just to wind us up? I do not think we rank that high!
I would suggest a name came up that they wished to consider. I also would suggest the possability that this would also be a name we may not have heard of. Given RDs history it was never going to bè a local boy, was it? Mathews was the only local family candidate, but I do not think it was him.
I suspect that there was another candidate that was considered and interviewed (video conferencing? ), but was not better than Guy.
Whatever, we have what we have. The only way is up!
Thanks for your input, we will definitely be taking that into consideration. I promise.
Luzon excites me as much as Dowie and Uncle Les did.