In response to KHA above. You can't expect Fox to come in and be bombing forward, making overlapping runs etc etc. He is primarily there to defend and, in my opinion, is quite rightly concentrating on getting that right before expanding his game. When I have previously seen him, at youth or reserve level, he is an attacking full back who loves getting forward. It will come, in time, but that time isn't now in my opinion.
It wasn't a dig at your support I genuinely thought that a game like this would be as big as the FAC game if not bigger, you get 16 - 20k at home yet today for a big game only 200 - 300 turned out, it's probably one of the lowest followings here for this season, I could understand if you only got say 8-10k at home but you can sometimes get 20k? baffling.
It gets boring though OP.... we go to your place, win, yawn. Can you try harder next year and then maybe more of us will make the effort?
In response to KHA above. You can't expect Fox to come in and be bombing forward, making overlapping runs etc etc. He is primarily there to defend and, in my opinion, is quite rightly concentrating on getting that right before expanding his game. When I have previously seen him, at youth or reserve level, he is an attacking full back who loves getting forward. It will come, in time, but that time isn't now in my opinion.
Plus, if we are playing a midfield diamond then he won't have a winger to shield him or cover so he'll want to stay tight.
OP - we all know that northern teams get good support down here, cos they have come to live and work, study in the streets paved of gold, opposite is not true, also, I would say we always get a better following at Utd - not full of pricks, I refer you to owlsonline Charlton forum
Hate to state this to ya but plenty of Charlton fans live in Sheffield and use this forum for that matter, also there are northern Charlton living up North, for me it's a poor excuse.
I genuinely was expecting at least 1k from you guys today, seriously.
Sorry, I never realised more of you would go to Bramall Ln just because you dont like Owlsonline lol, okay.... you got me.
Hundreds / thousands of Charlton supporters in Sheffied then and lots and lots up North. There is a surprise. Not sure that is true.
Just because you want to discount it because you are not in a good mood because your team lost doesn't mean that there is not some truth in the explanation OP.
I was referring to the other poster saying everyone from the North comes to London to live, it's a two way street on that behalf but do choose to ignore it if you wish.
Correct. It is a two way street but there are lots more walking in one direction than the other. Hundreds of Charlton fans in Sheffield my arse.
Why the f*ck would someone move from London to Sheffield? The Bovril factory recruiting or something?
Sour grapes from OP I'm afraid. He was seriously starting to think billy big bollocks about his team, then little ol' Charlton come along and stuff 'em. Shame. Nothing like bringing someone down a peg or two.
OP , you've got to understand that there's over 10 London teams vying for support , Sheffields only got 2, personally after going to Sheffield twice this season I was sick of the place, pigsick I didn't go now.
Poor excuse though, whatever happened to your team needs you? you still didn't clear it up either, why do you get 16k at home but 200 in a game that your team needs you away?
Small, but perfectly formed...
Just like our no 20 .
Doesn't exactly look packed in the home ends either. Millwall of the north.
OP , you've got to understand that there's over 10 London teams vying for support , Sheffields only got 2, personally after going to Sheffield twice this season I was sick of the place, pigsick I didn't go now.
Poor excuse though, whatever happened to your team needs you? you still didn't clear it up either, why do you get 16k at home but 200 in a game that your team needs you away?
Small, but perfectly formed...
Just like our no 20 .
Doesn't exactly look packed in the home ends either. Millwall of the north.
Hey hold on! Let's be fair, they are several cuts above the scum
The whole day was a great experience. Fantastic pub (Kelham Island Tavern), thank you OP for the choice. Farmers ale, £2.20 a pint. Good chat with reasoned, sensible Sheffield folk about both teams. We were the most pessimistic, hoping for a point. They thought we had a chance, end of season safe and all that. In the ground, meeting up with Northern mates, a little concerned about Wilson not playing, and Harriott in the team, but happy with Sordell in the starting line up, as he had shown signs of improved performances over the last few matches.
After 8 mins utter despair, but thankfully the quick response to make it 2-1. A few shaky moments after, but then a growing feeling that we were now in this game, which proved correct when we equalised before half-time.
Second half was a bit of a nail biter, but after that fantastic through ball by their centre forward for Sordell to score his hattrick it was actually quite comfortable.
On the tram back to the station, some good natured chat between Wednesday and Charlton fans.
This leads me onto my last point, the people in Sheffield were delightful, good, friendly chat and it worries me the vitriol and bile I see on this site and others when we are all part of the same football community. Some people need to calm down in slagging off opposing fans, they are just like you and me. (even OP!)
I totally agree with this. I walked back to my car through Hillsborough and the Sheff Wed fans were fine. They were a bit down but realistic that they'd run out of steam after a good run which has seen them survive for another season. Sheff Wed IS a big club...you just have to look at the ground...but like Charlton, they've had a fairly rough time in recent years and are struggling for real money. In living memory, they've had some fantastic players...the likes of Waddle, Carbone, Hirst and Di Canio....so it's pretty hard now for them to watch their team of journey-men/youngsters. But the fans still keep going in their numbers...home and away....and they believe that that they can one day get back to the top division, where they would not look out of place in terms of ground and support.
Just on Morgan Fox, I have seen him countless times playing for the U21's these last two years. Imo he is a modern fullback. He is excellent going forward and has a great left foot on him. He is very good in the air, very vocal and also good with attacking free kicks. He could be our replacement for JJ and Yann here based on what I have seen (a bit like the much maligned Llera here).
My reservations are, that he is slow on the turn and I have seen him "done" by tricky wingers at U21 level which is a concern as he steps up a level. However, he appears to listen and learn, which is why the academy coaches like him and hence why he currently has a contract offer in front of him. On balance I hope he signs it.
He has also played central defence this season, which may be his eventual position given his lack of pace. Long term he is not as good a full back as Tareiq Holmes-Dennis.
Just on Morgan Fox, I have seen him countless times playing for the U21's these last two years. Imo he is a modern fullback. He is excellent going forward and has a great left foot on him. He is very good in the air, very vocal and also good with attacking free kicks. He could be our replacement for JJ and Yann here based on what I have seen (a bit like the much maligned Llera here).
My reservations are, that he is slow on the turn and I have seen him "done" by tricky wingers at U21 level which is a concern as he steps up a level. However, he appears to listen and learn, which is why the academy coaches like him and hence why he currently has a contract offer in front of him. On balance I hope he signs it.
He has also played central defence this season, which may be his eventual position given his lack of pace. Long term he is not as good a full back as Tareiq Holmes-Dennis.
Agree in the last two games he's looked a bit suspect when anyone runs at him but he'll learn to deal with that the more he plays.
The whole day was a great experience. Fantastic pub (Kelham Island Tavern), thank you OP for the choice. Farmers ale, £2.20 a pint. Good chat with reasoned, sensible Sheffield folk about both teams. We were the most pessimistic, hoping for a point. They thought we had a chance, end of season safe and all that. In the ground, meeting up with Northern mates, a little concerned about Wilson not playing, and Harriott in the team, but happy with Sordell in the starting line up, as he had shown signs of improved performances over the last few matches.
After 8 mins utter despair, but thankfully the quick response to make it 2-1. A few shaky moments after, but then a growing feeling that we were now in this game, which proved correct when we equalised before half-time.
Second half was a bit of a nail biter, but after that fantastic through ball by their centre forward for Sordell to score his hattrick it was actually quite comfortable.
On the tram back to the station, some good natured chat between Wednesday and Charlton fans.
This leads me onto my last point, the people in Sheffield were delightful, good, friendly chat and it worries me the vitriol and bile I see on this site and others when we are all part of the same football community. Some people need to calm down in slagging off opposing fans, they are just like you and me. (even OP!)
I totally agree with this. I walked back to my car through Hillsborough and the Sheff Wed fans were fine. They were a bit down but realistic that they'd run out of steam after a good run which has seen them survive for another season. Sheff Wed IS a big club...you just have to look at the ground...but like Charlton, they've had a fairly rough time in recent years and are struggling for real money. In living memory, they've had some fantastic players...the likes of Waddle, Carbone, Hirst and Di Canio....so it's pretty hard now for them to watch their team of journey-men/youngsters. But the fans still keep going in their numbers...home and away....and they believe that that they can one day get back to the top division, where they would not look out of place in terms of ground and support.
I think it depends on how you define 'big club.' I'd say they WERE a big club, but haven't been since the late 90s. In a modern context they are not a bigger club than say, Hull, Palace or Southampton, the same as we are not. We are both relatively big clubs for this division but no more than that.
The whole day was a great experience. Fantastic pub (Kelham Island Tavern), thank you OP for the choice. Farmers ale, £2.20 a pint. Good chat with reasoned, sensible Sheffield folk about both teams. We were the most pessimistic, hoping for a point. They thought we had a chance, end of season safe and all that. In the ground, meeting up with Northern mates, a little concerned about Wilson not playing, and Harriott in the team, but happy with Sordell in the starting line up, as he had shown signs of improved performances over the last few matches.
After 8 mins utter despair, but thankfully the quick response to make it 2-1. A few shaky moments after, but then a growing feeling that we were now in this game, which proved correct when we equalised before half-time.
Second half was a bit of a nail biter, but after that fantastic through ball by their centre forward for Sordell to score his hattrick it was actually quite comfortable.
On the tram back to the station, some good natured chat between Wednesday and Charlton fans.
This leads me onto my last point, the people in Sheffield were delightful, good, friendly chat and it worries me the vitriol and bile I see on this site and others when we are all part of the same football community. Some people need to calm down in slagging off opposing fans, they are just like you and me. (even OP!)
I totally agree with this. I walked back to my car through Hillsborough and the Sheff Wed fans were fine. They were a bit down but realistic that they'd run out of steam after a good run which has seen them survive for another season. Sheff Wed IS a big club...you just have to look at the ground...but like Charlton, they've had a fairly rough time in recent years and are struggling for real money. In living memory, they've had some fantastic players...the likes of Waddle, Carbone, Hirst and Di Canio....so it's pretty hard now for them to watch their team of journey-men/youngsters. But the fans still keep going in their numbers...home and away....and they believe that that they can one day get back to the top division, where they would not look out of place in terms of ground and support.
I think it depends on you define 'big club.' I'd say they WERE a big club, but haven't been since the late 90s. In a modern context they are not a bigger club than say, Hull, Palace or Southampton, the same as we are not. We are both relatively big clubs for this division but no more than that.
Wednesday have always had a large ground and decent crowds, but on the pitch have bounced around the divisions, spending long periods out of the top flight...
Just on Morgan Fox, I have seen him countless times playing for the U21's these last two years. Imo he is a modern fullback. He is excellent going forward and has a great left foot on him. He is very good in the air, very vocal and also good with attacking free kicks. He could be our replacement for JJ and Yann here based on what I have seen (a bit like the much maligned Llera here).
My reservations are, that he is slow on the turn and I have seen him "done" by tricky wingers at U21 level which is a concern as he steps up a level. However, he appears to listen and learn, which is why the academy coaches like him and hence why he currently has a contract offer in front of him. On balance I hope he signs it.
He has also played central defence this season, which may be his eventual position given his lack of pace. Long term he is not as good a full back as Tareiq Holmes-Dennis.
Agree in the last two games he's looked a bit suspect when anyone runs at him but he'll learn to deal with that the more he plays.
The whole day was a great experience. Fantastic pub (Kelham Island Tavern), thank you OP for the choice. Farmers ale, £2.20 a pint. Good chat with reasoned, sensible Sheffield folk about both teams. We were the most pessimistic, hoping for a point. They thought we had a chance, end of season safe and all that. In the ground, meeting up with Northern mates, a little concerned about Wilson not playing, and Harriott in the team, but happy with Sordell in the starting line up, as he had shown signs of improved performances over the last few matches.
After 8 mins utter despair, but thankfully the quick response to make it 2-1. A few shaky moments after, but then a growing feeling that we were now in this game, which proved correct when we equalised before half-time.
Second half was a bit of a nail biter, but after that fantastic through ball by their centre forward for Sordell to score his hattrick it was actually quite comfortable.
On the tram back to the station, some good natured chat between Wednesday and Charlton fans.
This leads me onto my last point, the people in Sheffield were delightful, good, friendly chat and it worries me the vitriol and bile I see on this site and others when we are all part of the same football community. Some people need to calm down in slagging off opposing fans, they are just like you and me. (even OP!)
Fantastic post pal, glad you enjoyed the boozer, I like it myself too.
Hopefully you'll get to have another pint there next season too
Despite the low turnout OP i think you will find that most who go do find it a decent place to go with decent boozers and the vast majority of people up your way sound.
It's quality not quantity Piggy, our Fanny was there with her 'crack' troops and that was all that was needed, proof of the pudding and all that. I had the pleasure of witnessing the cup win, gets boring and sad after a while seeing you lot with your heads down leaving the stadium and being very ungracious in defeat. That's the difference you see I have had to accept more times than I would have liked in over half a century of following my team that we we have been sub standard (yet good enough lately against the Massives) but then again I'm a realist and don't suffer from delusions of grandeur.
Sour grapes from OP I'm afraid. He was seriously starting to think billy big bollocks about his team, then little ol' Charlton come along and stuff 'em. Shame. Nothing like bringing someone down a peg or two.
" Nothing like bringing someone down a pig or two...."
The whole day was a great experience. Fantastic pub (Kelham Island Tavern), thank you OP for the choice. Farmers ale, £2.20 a pint. Good chat with reasoned, sensible Sheffield folk about both teams. We were the most pessimistic, hoping for a point. They thought we had a chance, end of season safe and all that. In the ground, meeting up with Northern mates, a little concerned about Wilson not playing, and Harriott in the team, but happy with Sordell in the starting line up, as he had shown signs of improved performances over the last few matches.
After 8 mins utter despair, but thankfully the quick response to make it 2-1. A few shaky moments after, but then a growing feeling that we were now in this game, which proved correct when we equalised before half-time.
Second half was a bit of a nail biter, but after that fantastic through ball by their centre forward for Sordell to score his hattrick it was actually quite comfortable.
On the tram back to the station, some good natured chat between Wednesday and Charlton fans.
This leads me onto my last point, the people in Sheffield were delightful, good, friendly chat and it worries me the vitriol and bile I see on this site and others when we are all part of the same football community. Some people need to calm down in slagging off opposing fans, they are just like you and me. (even OP!)
I totally agree with this. I walked back to my car through Hillsborough and the Sheff Wed fans were fine. They were a bit down but realistic that they'd run out of steam after a good run which has seen them survive for another season. Sheff Wed IS a big club...you just have to look at the ground...but like Charlton, they've had a fairly rough time in recent years and are struggling for real money. In living memory, they've had some fantastic players...the likes of Waddle, Carbone, Hirst and Di Canio....so it's pretty hard now for them to watch their team of journey-men/youngsters. But the fans still keep going in their numbers...home and away....and they believe that that they can one day get back to the top division, where they would not look out of place in terms of ground and support.
I think it depends on you define 'big club.' I'd say they WERE a big club, but haven't been since the late 90s. In a modern context they are not a bigger club than say, Hull, Palace or Southampton, the same as we are not. We are both relatively big clubs for this division but no more than that.
Wednesday have always had a large ground and decent crowds, but on the pitch have bounced around the divisions, spending long periods out of the top flight...
This is it though, why should a club be defined as 'big' if they don't actually achieve anything? It's ridiculous to base it purely on attendances. They've spent the majority of the last ten yeas as a yo yo club between The Championship and League One.
I have been here several times and I have witnessed abuse and some SW fans spitting at our fans leaving the ground, some of which were children. I have also seen them calling us cockney C8nts and throwing punches at us. Throwing us abuse on the trams too.
The last time I went I thought never again. Apart from the Sheffield Tap I found the only good thing about the place was leaving with 3 points.
Could not go yesterday, but what a fantastic result! Credit too all the fans that went
''Yeovil get what 6k? they brought more then you, Macclesfield brought more and they get 1k at home! this isn't a dig i'm just curious, I was speaking to a Millwall fan the other month and he reckons you only get better support then them because your club offers free bus tickets from the Kent area, don't know if he were pulling my leg or owt''
OP. to Yeovil and Macclesfield coming to your ground is like a cup final for them. Whereas we have beaten you so many times at Hillsborough, it's just another game! Tickets not free on the bus from Kent/Sussex area they are £8.50! Incidentally 5,400 to Bramall Lane for cup game wasn't bad!
Just on Morgan Fox, I have seen him countless times playing for the U21's these last two years. Imo he is a modern fullback. He is excellent going forward and has a great left foot on him. He is very good in the air, very vocal and also good with attacking free kicks. He could be our replacement for JJ and Yann here based on what I have seen (a bit like the much maligned Llera here).
My reservations are, that he is slow on the turn and I have seen him "done" by tricky wingers at U21 level which is a concern as he steps up a level. However, he appears to listen and learn, which is why the academy coaches like him and hence why he currently has a contract offer in front of him. On balance I hope he signs it.
He has also played central defence this season, which may be his eventual position given his lack of pace. Long term he is not as good a full back as Tareiq Holmes-Dennis.
Obviously Wiggins is contracted until 2017 and is still a very good full back, who has just had a slightly off season compared to previous ones. Typical that although Fox has looked good since he came in, we already have Wiggins. It would be great to see a forward come through the ranks. In all my 30 years supporting the team, that's the one area we've never had that I've seen.
Just on Morgan Fox, I have seen him countless times playing for the U21's these last two years. Imo he is a modern fullback. He is excellent going forward and has a great left foot on him. He is very good in the air, very vocal and also good with attacking free kicks. He could be our replacement for JJ and Yann here based on what I have seen (a bit like the much maligned Llera here).
My reservations are, that he is slow on the turn and I have seen him "done" by tricky wingers at U21 level which is a concern as he steps up a level. However, he appears to listen and learn, which is why the academy coaches like him and hence why he currently has a contract offer in front of him. On balance I hope he signs it.
He has also played central defence this season, which may be his eventual position given his lack of pace. Long term he is not as good a full back as Tareiq Holmes-Dennis.
Obviously Wiggins is contracted until 2017 and is still a very good full back, who has just had a slightly off season compared to previous ones. Typical that although Fox has looked good since he came in, we already have Wiggins. It would be great to see a forward come through the ranks. In all my 30 years supporting the team, that's the one area we've never had that I've seen.
I don't count Defoe because he left at 15.
30 years. Yes I suppose you just missed Paul Walsh.
That thought makes me feel old :-(
EDIT: Leaburn wasn't all bad by any means and, but for injury, Gordon Watson may well have made more of a name for himself but broadly speaking you are right.
Just on Morgan Fox, I have seen him countless times playing for the U21's these last two years. Imo he is a modern fullback. He is excellent going forward and has a great left foot on him. He is very good in the air, very vocal and also good with attacking free kicks. He could be our replacement for JJ and Yann here based on what I have seen (a bit like the much maligned Llera here).
My reservations are, that he is slow on the turn and I have seen him "done" by tricky wingers at U21 level which is a concern as he steps up a level. However, he appears to listen and learn, which is why the academy coaches like him and hence why he currently has a contract offer in front of him. On balance I hope he signs it.
He has also played central defence this season, which may be his eventual position given his lack of pace. Long term he is not as good a full back as Tareiq Holmes-Dennis.
An accurate summing up. Hasn't Holmes-Dennis returned to his old position in midfield? Edwards is a terrific LB for the future.
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Great win.
W T F !!!!
My reservations are, that he is slow on the turn and I have seen him "done" by tricky wingers at U21 level which is a concern as he steps up a level. However, he appears to listen and learn, which is why the academy coaches like him and hence why he currently has a contract offer in front of him. On balance I hope he signs it.
He has also played central defence this season, which may be his eventual position given his lack of pace. Long term he is not as good a full back as Tareiq Holmes-Dennis.
Hopefully you'll get to have another pint there next season too
The last time I went I thought never again. Apart from the Sheffield Tap I found the only good thing about the place was leaving with 3 points.
Could not go yesterday, but what a fantastic result! Credit too all the fans that went
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''Yeovil get what 6k? they brought more then you, Macclesfield brought more and they get 1k at home! this isn't a dig i'm just curious, I was speaking to a Millwall fan the other month and he reckons you only get better support then them because your club offers free bus tickets from the Kent area, don't know if he were pulling my leg or owt''
OP. to Yeovil and Macclesfield coming to your ground is like a cup final for them.
Whereas we have beaten you so many times at Hillsborough, it's just another game!
Tickets not free on the bus from Kent/Sussex area they are £8.50!
Incidentally 5,400 to Bramall Lane for cup game wasn't bad!
I don't count Defoe because he left at 15.
That thought makes me feel old :-(
EDIT: Leaburn wasn't all bad by any means and, but for injury, Gordon Watson may well have made more of a name for himself but broadly speaking you are right.
Hasn't Holmes-Dennis returned to his old position in midfield? Edwards is a terrific LB for the future.