Your right it was because it was the right business decision
Now the right business decision based on several factors most of which 99.9% of football fans don't care about as long as we get the right player in which it seems we have not
This decision was not about what money we would receive for yann as the deciding factor
We already knew what we were getting from Bournemouth in terms of transfer
So offering yann any sort of deal near what we did could've resulted in yann staying
Yes the money deal for yann was ok based on age and goals scored
But not good enough for the influence he had and importance of player to our team
But there is no price you can attribute to having someone challenge the owner of a club in negs in the manor yann did (and anyone who thinks yann didnt refuse to play due to suggesting he was injured is wrong )
This is not acceptable from any player and sets a totally unacceptable precident if allowed to pass un challenged
NSS is bang on the money and I am really surprised at the amount of people willing to look past that point of view has football really become such an entity that a player leaving can bring such apathy towards certain actions
No one wants to go down I would say all of wanted yann to stay
The fact JJ has backed up his commitment to us by signing the new deal on similar wages shows someone who really does care for our club and that means you the fan and is one player who no matter what I think of some of his performances will always get a bit of slack because he never ever showed us disrespect and has been more influential than yann and as important a goal scorer
With regards to Powell I think it sums him up perfectly as someone who was loyal to his players and willing to forgive someone who made a mistake in their approach
Just because RD didnt buy the same response from yann and would ultimately I believe have expected yann to sign the deal on the table if genuinely remorseful for his approach as it was not a shit offer no where near in fact very competitive and one of the best at the club if not the best
If we are going to keep having the we should never have sold yann comments and RD has screwed us by doing so then put both sides there let people chose what they want to believe
And I believe that what I have been told and the way the whole yanngate has transpired is a lot more believable than RD wanted x amount of Ks and sold him regardless of our position and replaced him with nothing decent
even though we were near enough bottom of the league and in shit because he gets x millions off if we go down anyway
Let's see how it ends up who knows but one thing everyone knows is that RD expects a certain respect and loyalty honesty and integrity from his players and if you don't give it then no player is bigger than the club
Oh come on if JJ had been offered a better deal by Bournemouth you think he'd have stayed cos he cared for our club , of course he wouldn't , he did what was best for him just as Yann did and I may not like his behaviour towards the end but I can understand it , in 5 years time when Yanns still got a bit of extra dough to pay his bills cos he signed for Bournemouth rather than Charlton , Yann will know he made the right decision , even if it doesn't sit pretty with our romantic idea that everyone should love playing for our club no matter what
We'd all have preferred RD to have sorted things quicker with Yann but that may have not been practical but I'm sure if he'd bothered listening to SCP that would have been his priority So it comes down to who are RD's footy advisers and who says no this guy is not worth pushing the boat out for but Polish Pete is
Time will tell in RD's footballing plan for us but there has to be question marks over the early footballing decisions made and that's whether we stay up or not Richard Murray had the best intentions in the world for Charlton but made numerous shit decisions in his latter years , let's hope RD has the right intentions but makes better decisions , only time will tell
I didn't say I didn't understand it CE and I don't see leaving us for Bournemouth for more money as an issue or a problem in fact I think it's the right thing for any player that age to do
I have no problem with any of that
What I have an issue with is the shit that was being put on here about Powell not knowing Powell having plYers sold from under him just to be letting in liege players to enhance their status that RD is wrong to sell yann and only did it because he don't care if we go down
A . because he was savvy enough to negotiate properly and get a cheaper deal should we go down as virtually all the reasons that happens were caused by TJ/MS and with regards the pitch RM
B. because he wanted the x amount k that we got for him
It was a factor of yanns negs stance and a factor of what RD wants our players to be earning
I think you do Jackson a huge disservice to be honest
No one is saying he's wrong cos he took the best deal. The manor in which he tried to hold the clubs owner to ransom by faking injury is what I don't like.
Tbh I'm glad he left, good riddance in fact. Just not happy about the replacements but what's done is done
Are people unhappy about Kermy leaving or is it just that the replacements are not good enough? If someone had come in and his replacement had scored the goals to keep us safe, this thread would be very short.
Exactly GJ anyone can leave Powell could've left and gone wherever he wanted as long as you leave in the right way
This club has always let it's best players go and in the recent past do it with hrs or mins to spare and no decent replacements lined up it ain't new and it will undoubtably happen again
Bleedin' helpful if it didn't happen like that. Selling the main (only) decent striker at the last minute with no replacement. It is just plain bad strategy. The fact that RD did it similar to the past doesn't make it any less unpalatable. The interim strategy to the brave new dawn of the new season is so far rubbish. I don't think these owners show any particular signs of competency.
Are people unhappy about Kermy leaving or is it just that the replacements are not good enough? If someone had come in and his replacement had scored the goals to keep us safe, this thread would be very short.
I don't give a damn about Kermogant but I do care that someone made a decision to let a goal scorer go and not replace him with someone as good or better. It makes me worry about the competence of the person making such decisions.
Not read thread since page 3 but can't believe we are still banging on about this. If Yann loved it here so much and loved the club so much he'd still be here. He isn't. Says it all for me.
agreed , fuck doing whats best for his family
Well there you go then, he made a decision to leave, he wasn't sacked
Not read thread since page 3 but can't believe we are still banging on about this. If Yann loved it here so much and loved the club so much he'd still be here. He isn't. Says it all for me.
agreed , fuck doing whats best for his family
Well there you go then, he made a decision to leave, he wasn't sacked
Yep. And he made the correct decision to leave. Probably earning what he is worth. Scoring goals again. And has a chance of making the playoffs
People can believe what they want to believe and I believe we made a massive mistake in taking the piss out of our main man. That wont change.
The fact JJ has backed up his commitment to us by signing the new deal on similar wages shows someone who really does care for our club
I like JJ, believe he is great pro, and am glad he has a new contract. But you surely don't believe there was a queue of clubs willing to pay more for JJ as there was for YK? If you do believe that, or cannot see the difference in the two cases, then I'm afraid you've weakened your overall argument in my eyes.
Tell me, has it occurred to you that footballers don't necessarily all like each other in real life, and that Yann being a bit "different" might have had one or two personal enemies for reasons which have little to do with what happens on the pitch? If so, isn't it possible that the version of events you've obtained, comes from people who don't like him?
Solly has hardly figured. Poyet is brilliant and great to watch - he has 18 days left on his contract, so make the most of it.
You miserable old / young thing
You are probably right, but I was demonstrating (in DP case) that there is nothing that the new regime has done to inspire any confidence going forward, or attempt any collusion with the fan base.
They sacked a popular manager, sold a popular striker, sold a fair midfielder, brought in unsuitable replacements, avoided fan meetings, gave a false ST deadline, suggested compulsory seat moves.
Whether these are right or wrong, time will tell, but they are in the entertainment/leisure business and folk come to the Valley expecting to watch decent football played by players they know and like. The owner/board are simply waiting to see what happens before they spin us whatever version they concoct for our demise.
RD wants to "sweat the asset", so maybe that means developing quality players to sell or use elsewhere in his network, so who knows when we will see another Poyet in a red shirt.
The YK issue is just a symptom of the situation we are in now - the owner doesn't need to worry about fans' money or fans' views at CAFC, as the future is about using the CAFC development skills to find cheap playing resources for his more high profile teams. How CAFC are doing, or what league they are in is of no relevance.
Are people unhappy about Kermy leaving or is it just that the replacements are not good enough? If someone had come in and his replacement had scored the goals to keep us safe, this thread would be very short.
But it didn't happen so the discussion goes on.
And of course if PP had scored 15 goals then there would be endless "I told you so" comments so the discussion would be just as long.
Selling Yann was a judgement call. The fee was good for a player of his age and injury record but he was also an important player on and off the pitch. Clubs have to make those sort of calls all the time.
Not replacing him was the huge mistake. We might get away with it if we stay up but it was still a huge mistake that we can only hope is learnt from.
Solly has hardly figured. Poyet is brilliant and great to watch - he has 18 days left on his contract, so make the most of it.
You miserable old / young thing
You are probably right, but I was demonstrating (in DP case) that there is nothing that the new regime has done to inspire any confidence going forward, or attempt any collusion with the fan base.
They sacked a popular manager, sold a popular striker, sold a fair midfielder, brought in unsuitable replacements, avoided fan meetings, gave a false ST deadline, suggested compulsory seat moves.
Whether these are right or wrong, time will tell, but they are in the entertainment/leisure business and folk come to the Valley expecting to watch decent football played by players they know and like. The owner/board are simply waiting to see what happens before they spin us whatever version they concoct for our demise.
RD wants to "sweat the asset", so maybe that means developing quality players to sell or use elsewhere in his network, so who knows when we will see another Poyet in a red shirt.
The YK issue is just a symptom of the situation we are in now - the owner doesn't need to worry about fans' money or fans' views at CAFC, as the future is about using the CAFC development skills to find cheap playing resources for his more high profile teams. How CAFC are doing, or what league they are in is of no relevance.
Yann897 when do the school holidays end ? Don't you have some exam revision / school course work to get on with ?
And of course if PP had scored 15 goals then there would be endless "I told you so" comments so the discussion would be just as long.
Selling Yann was a judgement call. The fee was good for a player of his age and injury record but he was also an important player on and off the pitch. Clubs have to make those sort of calls all the time.
Not replacing him was the huge mistake. We might get away with it if we stay up but it was still a huge mistake that we can only hope is learnt from.
Agree with this Henry, to an extent. The failure to replace is more costly than simply letting Yann go.
But surely in January we should have been looking to add to what was already a weakened squad? Rather than selling and making replacements? I understand the club would have missed out on fees if left 'till the summer, but the possible alternative would have been/could still be far more costly.
January was not the time to take risks, it should have been the time to signal the intent to push ourselves away from possible relegation. Unfortunately, nothing that happened suggested as much.
If we could have got Gradel on perm and Best on loan, then maybe letting Kermy go would have had a lesser impact. But we will know at the end of the season, if we stay up we have got away with it, if we go down we haven't. As others have said, I seriously think that RD underestimated the strength of the Championship and giving us PP, Nego, KOC, AA, etc and letting go of Kermy and Stephens has seriously weakened us.
PA I am not even remotely suggesting JJ and kermo had the same interest or requirements I am nearly pointing out that JJ could easily have gone in the summer on a free and earn a nice little sign on and the same money but he has a genuine affection for cafc and wanted to stay
Yann believed he was worth more than offered and so do I however for yann to get the higher money his stance was one that no player should be allowed to get away with
There in lies the difference
We never replaced him adequately but also remember he only scored 5 or do goals for us before he left so him leaving isn't why we are in this position as we were already in it
It ain't helped get out of it but I agree with the stance taken
Yes some players don't get on but this isn't a grudge held by one bad mouthing another it was a response to questions and an understanding of what happened that week and why it happened
An honest answer from 3 separate people that hasn't deviated in substance
The stick to criticise RD is not the yann stick it's the fact he or whoever he trusts believed that Reza and AA and nego are good enough to assist now from what I have seen of AA and Reza I think they were correct however they needed to be signed with two others so they can bed in and have less expectation
If we go down yes letting yann go will be an influencing factor the very same way yanns behaviour during that time be
No one is saying he's wrong cos he took the best deal. The manor in which he tried to hold the clubs owner to ransom by faking injury is what I don't like.
Tbh I'm glad he left, good riddance in fact. Just not happy about the replacements but what's done is done
Course you're happy with what we have upfront without Kermorgant - tomorrow you're gonna get Marvin Sordell tattooed on your arse!
we thought we'd spend money on Polish Pete instead cos we didn't want instant dividends
I thought the Pete transfer was a mistake too. Would've much preferred 1m (which we offered for Gradel) been spent on a striker in Jan and i'm hoping in the summer this comes to pass.
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Your right it was because it was the right business decision
Now the right business decision based on several factors most of which 99.9% of football fans don't care about as long as we get the right player in which it seems we have not
This decision was not about what money we would receive for yann as the deciding factor
We already knew what we were getting from Bournemouth in terms of transfer
So offering yann any sort of deal near what we did could've resulted in yann staying
Yes the money deal for yann was ok based on age and goals scored
But not good enough for the influence he had and importance of player to our team
But there is no price you can attribute to having someone challenge the owner of a club in negs in the manor yann did (and anyone who thinks yann didnt refuse to play due to suggesting he was injured is wrong )
This is not acceptable from any player and sets a totally unacceptable precident if allowed to pass un challenged
NSS is bang on the money and I am really surprised at the amount of people willing to look past that point of view has football really become such an entity that a player leaving can bring such apathy towards certain actions
No one wants to go down I would say all of wanted yann to stay
The fact JJ has backed up his commitment to us by signing the new deal on similar wages shows someone who really does care for our club and that means you the fan and is one player who no matter what I think of some of his performances will always get a bit of slack because he never ever showed us disrespect and has been more influential than yann and as important a goal scorer
With regards to Powell I think it sums him up perfectly as someone who was loyal to his players and willing to forgive someone who made a mistake in their approach
Just because RD didnt buy the same response from yann and would ultimately I believe have expected yann to sign the deal on the table if genuinely remorseful for his approach as it was not a shit offer no where near in fact very competitive and one of the best at the club if not the best
If we are going to keep having the we should never have sold yann comments and RD has screwed us by doing so then put both sides there let people chose what they want to believe
And I believe that what I have been told and the way the whole yanngate has transpired is a lot more believable than RD wanted x amount of Ks and sold him regardless of our position and replaced him with nothing decent
even though we were near enough bottom of the league and in shit because he gets x millions off if we go down anyway
Let's see how it ends up who knows but one thing everyone knows is that RD expects a certain respect and loyalty honesty and integrity from his players and if you don't give it then no player is bigger than the club
and I may not like his behaviour towards the end but I can understand it ,
in 5 years time when Yanns still got a bit of extra dough to pay his bills cos he signed for Bournemouth rather than Charlton , Yann will know he made the right decision , even if it doesn't sit pretty with our romantic idea that everyone should love playing for our club no matter what
We'd all have preferred RD to have sorted things quicker with Yann but that may have not been practical but I'm sure if he'd bothered listening to SCP that would have been his priority
So it comes down to who are RD's footy advisers and who says no this guy is not worth pushing the boat out for but Polish Pete is
Time will tell in RD's footballing plan for us but there has to be question marks over the early footballing decisions made and that's whether we stay up or not
Richard Murray had the best intentions in the world for Charlton but made numerous shit decisions in his latter years , let's hope RD has the right intentions but makes better decisions , only time will tell
I have no problem with any of that
What I have an issue with is the shit that was being put on here about Powell not knowing Powell having plYers sold from under him just to be letting in liege players to enhance their status that RD is wrong to sell yann and only did it because he don't care if we go down
A . because he was savvy enough to negotiate properly and get a cheaper deal should we go down as virtually all the reasons that happens were caused by TJ/MS and with regards the pitch RM
B. because he wanted the x amount k that we got for him
It was a factor of yanns negs stance and a factor of what RD wants our players to be earning
I think you do Jackson a huge disservice to be honest
Tbh I'm glad he left, good riddance in fact. Just not happy about the replacements but what's done is done
This club has always let it's best players go and in the recent past do it with hrs or mins to spare and no decent replacements lined up it ain't new and it will undoubtably happen again
Solly ?
Poyet is brilliant and great to watch - he has 18 days left on his contract, so make the most of it.
People can believe what they want to believe and I believe we made a massive mistake in taking the piss out of our main man. That wont change.
The fact JJ has backed up his commitment to us by signing the new deal on similar wages shows someone who really does care for our club
I like JJ, believe he is great pro, and am glad he has a new contract. But you surely don't believe there was a queue of clubs willing to pay more for JJ as there was for YK? If you do believe that, or cannot see the difference in the two cases, then I'm afraid you've weakened your overall argument in my eyes.
Tell me, has it occurred to you that footballers don't necessarily all like each other in real life, and that Yann being a bit "different" might have had one or two personal enemies for reasons which have little to do with what happens on the pitch? If so, isn't it possible that the version of events you've obtained, comes from people who don't like him?
They sacked a popular manager, sold a popular striker, sold a fair midfielder, brought in unsuitable replacements, avoided fan meetings, gave a false ST deadline, suggested compulsory seat moves.
Whether these are right or wrong, time will tell, but they are in the entertainment/leisure business and folk come to the Valley expecting to watch decent football played by players they know and like.
The owner/board are simply waiting to see what happens before they spin us whatever version they concoct for our demise.
RD wants to "sweat the asset", so maybe that means developing quality players to sell or use elsewhere in his network, so who knows when we will see another Poyet in a red shirt.
The YK issue is just a symptom of the situation we are in now - the owner doesn't need to worry about fans' money or fans' views at CAFC, as the future is about using the CAFC development skills to find cheap playing resources for his more high profile teams. How CAFC are doing, or what league they are in is of no relevance.
And of course if PP had scored 15 goals then there would be endless "I told you so" comments so the discussion would be just as long.
Selling Yann was a judgement call. The fee was good for a player of his age and injury record but he was also an important player on and off the pitch. Clubs have to make those sort of calls all the time.
Not replacing him was the huge mistake. We might get away with it if we stay up but it was still a huge mistake that we can only hope is learnt from.
DP &HI totally with you on this
But surely in January we should have been looking to add to what was already a weakened squad? Rather than selling and making replacements? I understand the club would have missed out on fees if left 'till the summer, but the possible alternative would have been/could still be far more costly.
January was not the time to take risks, it should have been the time to signal the intent to push ourselves away from possible relegation. Unfortunately, nothing that happened suggested as much.
Yann believed he was worth more than offered and so do I however for yann to get the higher money his stance was one that no player should be allowed to get away with
There in lies the difference
We never replaced him adequately but also remember he only scored 5 or do goals for us before he left so him leaving isn't why we are in this position as we were already in it
It ain't helped get out of it but I agree with the stance taken
Yes some players don't get on but this isn't a grudge held by one bad mouthing another it was a response to questions and an understanding of what happened that week and why it happened
An honest answer from 3 separate people that hasn't deviated in substance
The stick to criticise RD is not the yann stick it's the fact he or whoever he trusts believed that Reza and AA and nego are good enough to assist now from what I have seen of AA and Reza I think they were correct however they needed to be signed with two others so they can bed in and have less expectation
If we go down yes letting yann go will be an influencing factor the very same way yanns behaviour during that time be