I have also heard that SCP knew before Sheffield Utd that it was his last game because he hadn't followed RD's instructions , no wonder the mood and performnace that day was so wank
I'm 100 per cent confident that is what happened and 5,000-plus Charlton fans were f*cked over by the owner because of it, yet the big issue is what Yann is supposed to have done before the Huddersfield game? And of course the club is briefing against Yann, at the highest level, and has been from the beginning - regardless of what the truth is. As I said before, it's likely both sides are being selective with the facts.
KHA they did state they offered him a two-year deal, but they didn't say when that was offered. I thought it was common understanding that RD didn't offer him anything and in fact it was TJ and MS that last offered him a contract?
Unless it's deliberately misleading it suggests that after RD came in the club made his an offer until the summer of 2016 (two and a half years). Sure it doesn't say how much they offered him, but it is quite clear that he was not forced out of the club.
"His contract was due to expire at the end of the 2013/14 season and, following the takeover of Charlton by Roland Duchâtelet in early January, the board made securing him on a longer-term deal an immediate priority.
Talks with Kermorgant’s representatives took place over recent weeks and the 32-year-old was offered a new two-year extension which would have kept him at The Valley until 2016.
After the offer was not accepted, Bournemouth registered their interest in the French forward and he was given permission to speak with the Dorset club."
1. You state as a fact that he refused to play at Huddersfield. It is not a fact, is it, but an assertion by NLA. With all due respect to NLA, you might not wish to rush to judgement so quickly on such "evidence"
2. You say the player has used the media to make snipes and that this has sparked the leaks from the club. Well certainly I was in receipt of such leaks long before he went, let alone before he spoke to the press. Then I would like to ask you this: If YK is the grabbing, honourless mercenary that you have judged him to be, why would he talk to the media at all? He had his money, which you say is all he cares about. Why bother?
I don't remember saying any of this either. Just for clarification!
I misunderstood your earlier 'refused to play' remark. Genuine mistake on my part, but I accept that I misinterpreted it. Probably my overall take on your post was coloured by this. Unfortunately a lot of people are cheerfully portraying him exactly that way, and to me, such a footballer - and they certainly exist - wouldn't bother with such interviews after they have left. People of such character would only do it if there was something in it for them. What was in it for YK, a 32 year old who has just signed probably his last big deal in football? I just don't see the motivation.
Thanks PA.
I don't have a problem with him going - I'd probably have left if the pay increase was anything like it has been suggested elsewhere. That's his right, as is it for him to ask for more money when he has 18 months of his contract left. It just wasn't true to say that the club forced him out when he chose to leave because someone else offered him more money.
My understanding from the YK camp is - and you will see that Seriously Red, who gets his information from Richard Murray, confirmed as much earlier - that he was not offered a firm deal until 2016. This is where the issue lies, IMO.
I have also heard that SCP knew before Sheffield Utd that it was his last game because he hadn't followed RD's instructions , no wonder the mood and performnace that day was so wank
I'm 100 per cent confident that is what happened and 5,000-plus Charlton fans were f*cked over by the owner because of it, yet the big issue is what Yann is supposed to have done before the Huddersfield game? And of course the club is briefing against Yann, at the highest level, and has been from the beginning - regardless of what the truth is. As I said before, it's likely both sides are being selective with the facts.
Why were they fucked over? Powell was taking us down, the league table does not lie. I smell an agenda here!
1. You state as a fact that he refused to play at Huddersfield. It is not a fact, is it, but an assertion by NLA. With all due respect to NLA, you might not wish to rush to judgement so quickly on such "evidence"
2. You say the player has used the media to make snipes and that this has sparked the leaks from the club. Well certainly I was in receipt of such leaks long before he went, let alone before he spoke to the press. Then I would like to ask you this: If YK is the grabbing, honourless mercenary that you have judged him to be, why would he talk to the media at all? He had his money, which you say is all he cares about. Why bother?
I don't remember saying any of this either. Just for clarification!
I misunderstood your earlier 'refused to play' remark. Genuine mistake on my part, but I accept that I misinterpreted it. Probably my overall take on your post was coloured by this. Unfortunately a lot of people are cheerfully portraying him exactly that way, and to me, such a footballer - and they certainly exist - wouldn't bother with such interviews after they have left. People of such character would only do it if there was something in it for them. What was in it for YK, a 32 year old who has just signed probably his last big deal in football? I just don't see the motivation.
Thanks PA.
I don't have a problem with him going - I'd probably have left if the pay increase was anything like it has been suggested elsewhere. That's his right, as is it for him to ask for more money when he has 18 months of his contract left. It just wasn't true to say that the club forced him out when he chose to leave because someone else offered him more money.
Agree. And I am not one of those saying the club forced him out. I simply assert that the club made a bad decision when evaluating what, if anything, they would do to keep him, and what then they would do if he were the subject of a better offer. NLA believes the club were backed into a corner by an unscrupulous blackmailing player. Currently I consider that to be a highly coloured and self serving version of events.
I do accept that if Jiminez and Slater had been running the club better the previous six months, the situation would not have arisen.
I have also heard that SCP knew before Sheffield Utd that it was his last game because he hadn't followed RD's instructions , no wonder the mood and performnace that day was so wank
I'm 100 per cent confident that is what happened and 5,000-plus Charlton fans were f*cked over by the owner because of it, yet the big issue is what Yann is supposed to have done before the Huddersfield game? And of course the club is briefing against Yann, at the highest level, and has been from the beginning - regardless of what the truth is. As I said before, it's likely both sides are being selective with the facts.
Why were they fucked over? Powell was taking us down, the league table does not lie. I smell an agenda here!
Anything that doesn't suit what you want to believe is an agenda - anything that does is cast-iron reliable certainty. Unfortunately the real world's a bit more complicated.
I have also heard that SCP knew before Sheffield Utd that it was his last game because he hadn't followed RD's instructions , no wonder the mood and performnace that day was so wank
I'm 100 per cent confident that is what happened and 5,000-plus Charlton fans were f*cked over by the owner because of it, yet the big issue is what Yann is supposed to have done before the Huddersfield game? And of course the club is briefing against Yann, at the highest level, and has been from the beginning - regardless of what the truth is. As I said before, it's likely both sides are being selective with the facts.
Why were they fucked over? Powell was taking us down, the league table does not lie. I smell an agenda here!
Anything that doesn't suit what you want to believe is an agenda - anything that does is cast-iron reliable certainty. Unfortunately the real world's a bit more complicated.
I do believe i've just been patronised!
A lot of your posts come across as bitter regarding the club AB, so you may have to forgive me if I think you have an agenda against the club and or RD.
I have also heard that SCP knew before Sheffield Utd that it was his last game because he hadn't followed RD's instructions , no wonder the mood and performnace that day was so wank
I'm 100 per cent confident that is what happened and 5,000-plus Charlton fans were f*cked over by the owner because of it, yet the big issue is what Yann is supposed to have done before the Huddersfield game? And of course the club is briefing against Yann, at the highest level, and has been from the beginning - regardless of what the truth is. As I said before, it's likely both sides are being selective with the facts.
Why were they fucked over? Powell was taking us down, the league table does not lie. I smell an agenda here!
Anything that doesn't suit what you want to believe is an agenda - anything that does is cast-iron reliable certainty. Unfortunately the real world's a bit more complicated.
I do believe i've just been patronised!
A lot of your posts come across as bitter regarding the club AB, so you may have to forgive me if I think you have an agenda against the club and or RD.
I regard the previous ownership as scum based on my experience of them (and I am in good company there), but that doesn't extend to RD. I am not sure what an agenda "against the club" would look like, but I'm sure it wouldn't entail travelling around the country to support the team.
Obviously Prague's 'leaks' are far more accurate than anybody else's 'leaks', which are not to be trusted, oh no.
What comes across as complete nonsense is the never ending spin against Duchatelet and how everything is his fault... from being a feeder club, to making Chris Powell play Liege players (as opposed to asking why they aren't played) to Duchatelet wanting us relegated to save £4M(?) on the acquisition of the club.
Obviously Prague's 'leaks' are far more accurate than anybody else's 'leaks', which are not to be trusted, oh no.
Except Prague was told exactly the same thing as myself by someone at the club and chose not to believe it even though it stacks up with everything that NLA states. This was acknowledged earlier in the thread and hairs were split as to whether Kermorgant feigned injury or whether he simply refused to show up.
Either the club is wasting its time spinning against an ex-player or alternatively it's true!
Far from being the enemy of the fans, Duchatelet and the fans have much in common in terms of wanting to see a winning team in front of growing crowds. We all want the best players to sign new contracts and we all want Riga to succeed although some are struggling with their loyalty to Powell
What comes across as complete nonsense is the never ending spin against Duchatelet and how everything is his fault... from being a feeder club, to making Chris Powell play Liege players (as opposed to asking why they aren't played) to Duchatelet wanting us relegated to save £4M(?) on the acquisition of the club.
Don't be so naive. Do you honestly think that's any different? Either way he was trying to influence team selection and undermine Powell.
Yes, it's completely different. It's entirely reasonable for Duchatelet to ask the Manager, whether its Powell or Riga, to explain why he's not selecting a player that has just been signed, especially if he'd been led to believe the player concerned would improve the side. Infact, it would be very odd if he didn't want to understand. However, this is a million miles away from seeking to influence team selection.
Several weeks ago, when posting a comment on the Daily Mail article written by the hapless Martin Samuel, I suggested that some people may have failed to appreciate this subtle, but critical distinction. It's possible that around the time he was sacked Chris Powell was highly stressed and that he'd adopted a bunker mentality. Perhaps in his own mind he really did believe he was being told who to play. Who knows, but surely Jose Riga has put this nonsense to bed. Powell made use of four network players and Parzyszek. Riga has used just two, neither of whom started on Monday. I'll bet Duchatelet has asked him to explain what he's doing, but there is absolutely no evidence of influence or pressure.
I have also heard that SCP knew before Sheffield Utd that it was his last game because he hadn't followed RD's instructions , no wonder the mood and performnace that day was so wank
I'm 100 per cent confident that is what happened and 5,000-plus Charlton fans were f*cked over by the owner because of it, yet the big issue is what Yann is supposed to have done before the Huddersfield game? And of course the club is briefing against Yann, at the highest level, and has been from the beginning - regardless of what the truth is. As I said before, it's likely both sides are being selective with the facts.
Why were they fucked over? Powell was taking us down, the league table does not lie. I smell an agenda here!
Anything that doesn't suit what you want to believe is an agenda - anything that does is cast-iron reliable certainty. Unfortunately the real world's a bit more complicated.
I do believe i've just been patronised!
A lot of your posts come across as bitter regarding the club AB, so you may have to forgive me if I think you have an agenda against the club and or RD.
I regard the previous ownership as scum based on my experience of them (and I am in good company there), but that doesn't extend to RD. I am not sure what an agenda "against the club" would look like, but I'm sure it wouldn't entail travelling around the country to support the team.
Obviously Prague's 'leaks' are far more accurate than anybody else's 'leaks', which are not to be trusted, oh no.
What comes across as complete nonsense is the never ending spin against Duchatelet and how everything is his fault... from being a feeder club, to making Chris Powell play Liege players (as opposed to asking why they aren't played) to Duchatelet wanting us relegated to save £4M(?) on the acquisition of the club.
Obviously Prague's 'leaks' are far more accurate than anybody else's 'leaks', which are not to be trusted, oh no.
Except Prague was told exactly the same thing as myself by someone at the club and chose not to believe it even though it stacks up with everything that NLA states. This was acknowledged earlier in the thread and hairs were split as to whether Kermorgant feigned injury or whether he simply refused to show up.
Either the club is wasting its time spinning against an ex-player or alternatively it's true!
Far from being the enemy of the fans, Duchatelet and the fans have much in common in terms of wanting to see a winning team in front of growing crowds. We all want the best players to sign new contracts and we all want Riga to succeed although some are struggling with their loyalty to Powell
What comes across as complete nonsense is the never ending spin against Duchatelet and how everything is his fault... from being a feeder club, to making Chris Powell play Liege players (as opposed to asking why they aren't played) to Duchatelet wanting us relegated to save £4M(?) on the acquisition of the club.
Don't be so naive. Do you honestly think that's any different? Either way he was trying to influence team selection and undermine Powell.
Yes, it's completely different. It's entirely reasonable for Duchatelet to ask the Manager, whether its Powell or Riga, to explain why he's not selecting a player that has just been signed, especially if he'd been led to believe the player concerned would improve the side. Infact, it would be very odd if he didn't want to understand. However, this is a million miles away from seeking to influence team selection.
Several weeks ago, when posting a comment on the Daily Mail article written by the hapless Martin Samuel, I suggested that some people may have failed to appreciate this subtle, but critical distinction. It's possible that around the time he was sacked Chris Powell was highly stressed and that he'd adopted a bunker mentality. Perhaps in his own mind he really did believe he was being told who to play. Who knows, but surely Jose Riga has put this nonsense to bed. Powell made use of four network players and Parzyszek. Riga has used just two, neither of whom started on Monday. I'll bet Duchatelet has asked him to explain what he's doing, but there is absolutely no evidence of influence or pressure.
That would only be relevant if Powell had signed those players. Which he didn't.
Obviously Prague's 'leaks' are far more accurate than anybody else's 'leaks', which are not to be trusted, oh no.
What comes across as complete nonsense is the never ending spin against Duchatelet and how everything is his fault... from being a feeder club, to making Chris Powell play Liege players (as opposed to asking why they aren't played) to Duchatelet wanting us relegated to save £4M(?) on the acquisition of the club.
Obviously Prague's 'leaks' are far more accurate than anybody else's 'leaks', which are not to be trusted, oh no.
Except Prague was told exactly the same thing as myself by someone at the club and chose not to believe it even though it stacks up with everything that NLA states. This was acknowledged earlier in the thread and hairs were split as to whether Kermorgant feigned injury or whether he simply refused to show up.
Either the club is wasting its time spinning against an ex-player or alternatively it's true!
Far from being the enemy of the fans, Duchatelet and the fans have much in common in terms of wanting to see a winning team in front of growing crowds. We all want the best players to sign new contracts and we all want Riga to succeed although some are struggling with their loyalty to Powell
What comes across as complete nonsense is the never ending spin against Duchatelet and how everything is his fault... from being a feeder club, to making Chris Powell play Liege players (as opposed to asking why they aren't played) to Duchatelet wanting us relegated to save £4M(?) on the acquisition of the club.
Don't be so naive. Do you honestly think that's any different? Either way he was trying to influence team selection and undermine Powell.
Yes, it's completely different. It's entirely reasonable for Duchatelet to ask the Manager, whether its Powell or Riga, to explain why he's not selecting a player that has just been signed, especially if he'd been led to believe the player concerned would improve the side. Infact, it would be very odd if he didn't want to understand. However, this is a million miles away from seeking to influence team selection.
Several weeks ago, when posting a comment on the Daily Mail article written by the hapless Martin Samuel, I suggested that some people may have failed to appreciate this subtle, but critical distinction. It's possible that around the time he was sacked Chris Powell was highly stressed and that he'd adopted a bunker mentality. Perhaps in his own mind he really did believe he was being told who to play. Who knows, but surely Jose Riga has put this nonsense to bed. Powell made use of four network players and Parzyszek. Riga has used just two, neither of whom started on Monday. I'll bet Duchatelet has asked him to explain what he's doing, but there is absolutely no evidence of influence or pressure.
Do you really think, though, that Chris Powell, of all people, would have acted unreasonably in response to such a polite enquiry, if that had been what happened? And if not, why would it have led to him being sacked and him knowing that was going to happen before the game, as did the Sheffield United directors, as Prague will tell you?
As has been pointed out many times, Riga is RD's man. RD is more likely to trust what he tells him about the players and he may even have agreed to come on the basis that RD would not interfere. I'm not a big defender of the Daily Mail, but I have no reason to suppose that Martin Samuel is "hapless" in this case, because I can well imagine where his information originates.
I have also heard that SCP knew before Sheffield Utd that it was his last game because he hadn't followed RD's instructions , no wonder the mood and performnace that day was so wank
I'm 100 per cent confident that is what happened and 5,000-plus Charlton fans were f*cked over by the owner because of it, yet the big issue is what Yann is supposed to have done before the Huddersfield game? And of course the club is briefing against Yann, at the highest level, and has been from the beginning - regardless of what the truth is. As I said before, it's likely both sides are being selective with the facts.
Why were they fucked over? Powell was taking us down, the league table does not lie. I smell an agenda here!
Anything that doesn't suit what you want to believe is an agenda - anything that does is cast-iron reliable certainty. Unfortunately the real world's a bit more complicated.
I do believe i've just been patronised!
A lot of your posts come across as bitter regarding the club AB, so you may have to forgive me if I think you have an agenda against the club and or RD.
I regard the previous ownership as scum based on my experience of them (and I am in good company there), but that doesn't extend to RD. I am not sure what an agenda "against the club" would look like, but I'm sure it wouldn't entail travelling around the country to support the team.
So calling the last owners 'scum' isn't an 'agenda'?
I hope you let them know that when you accepted their settlement.
Given the club claim to have offered him a 2.5 year deal to stay, then there was obviously no issue about age/injury record, otherwise why would they want him for another spell.
The only issue is weekly wage - and let's say as a guess that we offered £3k a week less than Brnmth.
That means we we short by about £400k in wages over the term of the contract offer.
Even if this claim by CAFC is true - they still sold one of our best players over a poxy £400k. Whichever way they try to dress it up with detail - this is a basic fact.
It was poor decision making (IMO), just like the failure to get new players in January 2014. Our demise has been all about poor decision making at Board level over a number of recent years.
I am not a fan of the last regime - but 2 early actions of theirs was to buy us a top goalscorer from a club in the same division and replace the manager with a "fan-friendly" former player.
Two early actions of the current regime were to sell our top goalscorer to a club in the same division and replace the manager with someone we have never heard of.
I was on the pitch at Sheff U, when the team came on to the pitch just after they arrived at the ground. They all seemed in a good mood and were looking forward to the game and as I walked passed the changing room, they had music playing, from all of this, I would say that the players didn't know anything about Powell going or it was to be his last game.
looks like we are going to be saved from the drop,so I am glad we changed the manager when we did,we can all still love Chris Powell but for me the love of the championship is better than the love of div1
Charlton defender Michael Morrison admitted that he was saddened by the sacking of Chris Powell but remains desperate to keep the Addicks in the Championship.
The south Londoners parted company with Powell on Tuesday, replacing him with Jose Riga.
His first two games in charge have yielded 0-0 draws against Huddersfield and Millwall to lift Charlton off the bottom of the Championship.
And Morrison admitted that it had been a hectic week.
“I found out late the night before that he’d gone,” he explained.
“I don’t know if it was a surprise but I think the timing was a surprise for it to happen so quickly after the FA Cup tie and such a big week coming.
“Personally, I’ve enjoyed every minute of it. He’s helped my career but it’s one of those things that happens in football.
“He’d be the first to say these things happen. You have to move on.
“Everyone has to stick in for the good of Charlton. I’m sure he’s a proper Charlton man and that’s what he’ll say to everyone.
“He’ll want them to play for Jose and Charlton to keep us in the league.”
He added: “You read between the lines and obviously there was some sort of disagreement and that’s come to a head after the FA Cup tie and us being bottom of the league wouldn’t have helped his argument.
“The club has to move on and has to stay up.”
The pair only spoke briefly to say goodbye as Powell packed his things and there remains a great deal of respect between the pair.
Morrison explained: “I had a few words in his office both wishing each other well and thanking each other for helping each other’s career with the League One victory and doing well in the Championship.”
He added: “[The players didn’t meet], I think a few murmurs got out the evening before and it was a very quick turnaround.
“Chris packed his office up and the new guys were in. That’s how football goes.
“We had a meeting with Jose an hour afterwards. It’s about moving the club forward and staying in the Championship.”
Powell could be considered unfortunate as he had minimal funds in the summer to invest in the squad and then, when Charlton were taken over, had a new owner that wanted things done his way.
Morrison explained: “He’s had his hands tied from the summer at the start of this season and it has been difficult for him.
“I’m sure there were other players and different players that he’d like to have got in – maybe a bigger squad and that didn’t come.
“In January, the takeover and all the different views from there. If he’d been backed better at the beginning of the season it’d have made a difference.”
The defender has been impressed with Riga, whose style of play has appealed to the Addicks ace.
“He’s come in and said he wants to play the right way and build from the back,” Morrison revealed.
“We’ve tried to do that over the last two games. It’s a short period of time between games that we can get that in but he wants to play the right way.
“The lads are buying into it. Hopefully he can help the attacking threat of the team and we can score more goals.”
He added: I hadn’t heard of him. He was manager for Standard Liege and that links there and the owner believes he can do a job for the club.”
Riga has not yet got his feet under the table at The Valley and Morrison is working out how the pair differ.
“I don’t know really,” he explained. “Jose has been here for a week so we’ll see how it goes on. Alex Dyer has been helping him on Millwall’s threats and other team’s threat.
“The most important thing for Jose is what we do with the ball. You can see at the back and when we haven’t got the ball we’re a good side and hard to beat.
“We’re trying to add to the threat in front of goal. That’s what his main job is.”
@Curb_it So who was your source? The players where obviously unaware of the impending sacking!
Airman none of this is actually that complicated - every one has seen the results since Riga took over. Some fortunate 1-0 wins and a strange team selection vs Barnsley but we are in our best position all season to avoid relegation.
And what Samuels wrote about us was a disgrace - no surprise that the Daily Mail runs an anti foreigner jibe and funnily enough not much coverage since our form picked up... And if you are correct in your assertion that Samuels was fed that from within the club then that says it all!
Yes I have spoken to Richard Murray on occasion as do Prague and Razil. As chairman I'm sure he speaks to each of the fan groups and that seems a reasonable thing to do. He tells me things but to put it in perspective most of what I observe about the club is from watching the games and looking at the accounts, and of course reading threads on this site.
The difference is that I chose to believe Murray because it stacked up with what NLA stated and with Kermorgant's statement at Eltham. The alternative explanation is that Duchatelet chose to sell Kermorgant for a relatively small fee for no reason or to actually weaken the squad and that is simply not rational. Your view appears to be that there is a conspiracy of half truths against the player and that Duchatelet is willfully destroying value by selling "our best players" and undermining the manager by daring to ask questions about team selection.
Just for clarification, I support the club - not one player, manager or board member. I have been clear in stating Duchatelet should have used the cup monies to improve the squad to help steer us clear of the bottom three and enhance our chances of a Wembley semi final.
Your whole narrative paints Powell as some kind of victim and I'm not so sure he would welcome that. He did wonders for the club and the fact that the coaching staff and squad are getting on with it is testament to the values and personnel he left behind.
What I see and hear suggests to me that Duchatelet knows what he's doing but we need to secure our Championship status and see what happens with the squad over the summer.
PS for clarification I was told that CAFC made a longer term offer to Kermorgant and with an increase - my earlier comparison was between the Bournemouth offer and what Kermorgant would have been on if he had played those extra games.
After Afka thread I am done on here it's getting too personal I feel
I wouldn't let the fact that PragueAddick has chosen to call you and Richard Murray liars ("I choose not to believe you" can really only be taken that way) stop you from posting your opinions and insight on here. I have had a variety of challenges, piss takes and arguments on here but it is only Prague who accused me of making something up. This is a big site with maybe 40% of the fanbase looking in. Maybe there are only a few hundred regular posters but they come from all walks of life and all have a different take on each game, each player and the general direction of the club.
So suddenly everyone in the Bramall Lane Boardroom knew Chris Powell was going to be sacked later in the week?
So how come this little titbit didn't actually get publicised before the deed was done?
Because
1. I do not know the Charlton fan concerned for a long time. 2. To make such an incendiary leak would require me to indicate why this should be believed, and that would involve details that neither I nor he would wish to make public 3. The Charlton fan concerned does have an interest in portraying RD in a negative light, which I do not. 4. I only learnt about it a week later, when I met the person concerned in Prague.
BTW the person concerned is an expat like me, so it is most unlikely that he is the source, or connected to the sources which Curb It and Oooahh may have.
Obviously Prague's 'leaks' are far more accurate than anybody else's 'leaks', which are not to be trusted, oh no.
What comes across as complete nonsense is the never ending spin against Duchatelet and how everything is his fault... from being a feeder club, to making Chris Powell play Liege players (as opposed to asking why they aren't played) to Duchatelet wanting us relegated to save £4M(?) on the acquisition of the club.
Obviously Prague's 'leaks' are far more accurate than anybody else's 'leaks', which are not to be trusted, oh no.
Except Prague was told exactly the same thing as myself by someone at the club and chose not to believe it even though it stacks up with everything that NLA states. This was acknowledged earlier in the thread and hairs were split as to whether Kermorgant feigned injury or whether he simply refused to show up.
Either the club is wasting its time spinning against an ex-player or alternatively it's true!
Far from being the enemy of the fans, Duchatelet and the fans have much in common in terms of wanting to see a winning team in front of growing crowds. We all want the best players to sign new contracts and we all want Riga to succeed although some are struggling with their loyalty to Powell
What comes across as complete nonsense is the never ending spin against Duchatelet and how everything is his fault... from being a feeder club, to making Chris Powell play Liege players (as opposed to asking why they aren't played) to Duchatelet wanting us relegated to save £4M(?) on the acquisition of the club.
Don't be so naive. Do you honestly think that's any different? Either way he was trying to influence team selection and undermine Powell.
Yes, it's completely different. It's entirely reasonable for Duchatelet to ask the Manager, whether its Powell or Riga, to explain why he's not selecting a player that has just been signed, especially if he'd been led to believe the player concerned would improve the side. Infact, it would be very odd if he didn't want to understand. However, this is a million miles away from seeking to influence team selection.
Several weeks ago, when posting a comment on the Daily Mail article written by the hapless Martin Samuel, I suggested that some people may have failed to appreciate this subtle, but critical distinction. It's possible that around the time he was sacked Chris Powell was highly stressed and that he'd adopted a bunker mentality. Perhaps in his own mind he really did believe he was being told who to play. Who knows, but surely Jose Riga has put this nonsense to bed. Powell made use of four network players and Parzyszek. Riga has used just two, neither of whom started on Monday. I'll bet Duchatelet has asked him to explain what he's doing, but there is absolutely no evidence of influence or pressure.
That would only be relevant if Powell had signed those players. Which he didn't.
I'm not sure I agree with that... The manager is responsible for managing the squad irrespective of the origins of the players be that loan signing, academy or transfer in and now network loans. He doesn't just pick the team. One of the main roles has to be to add value to the individual players and the team. I learnt recently that the club has an analyst using prozone who has been in place for a while and it is both reasonable and rational for a new owner to also employ analysts so that the owner can have the most informed dialogue possible with the manager / coach. It's only at Charlton that we are not used to new owners and regular changes of coach. We've had five managers covering the position since 1984 - thats 30 years. Most clubs are lucky to get to ten years with five managers.
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"His contract was due to expire at the end of the 2013/14 season and, following the takeover of Charlton by Roland Duchâtelet in early January, the board made securing him on a longer-term deal an immediate priority.
Talks with Kermorgant’s representatives took place over recent weeks and the 32-year-old was offered a new two-year extension which would have kept him at The Valley until 2016.
After the offer was not accepted, Bournemouth registered their interest in the French forward and he was given permission to speak with the Dorset club."
Full story here:
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20140131-yann-kermorgant-signs-for-bournemouth-1330648.aspx
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I don't have a problem with him going - I'd probably have left if the pay increase was anything like it has been suggested elsewhere. That's his right, as is it for him to ask for more money when he has 18 months of his contract left. It just wasn't true to say that the club forced him out when he chose to leave because someone else offered him more money.
I do accept that if Jiminez and Slater had been running the club better the previous six months, the situation would not have arisen.
A lot of your posts come across as bitter regarding the club AB, so you may have to forgive me if I think you have an agenda against the club and or RD.
Let's all accept that somewhere between the Thursday and Sunday both Powell and RD knew the time was up
The players owed a performance to Powell based on that info a two fingered salute to that situation
What they gave RD was the confirmation and the safety blanket that sacking or releasing Powell was the right answer
My concern was how Powell would recover and motivate them on the next 12 weeks
Also why he played cousins out of position and panicked in the subs
Several weeks ago, when posting a comment on the Daily Mail article written by the hapless Martin Samuel, I suggested that some people may have failed to appreciate this subtle, but critical distinction. It's possible that around the time he was sacked Chris Powell was highly stressed and that he'd adopted a bunker mentality. Perhaps in his own mind he really did believe he was being told who to play. Who knows, but surely Jose Riga has put this nonsense to bed. Powell made use of four network players and Parzyszek. Riga has used just two, neither of whom started on Monday. I'll bet Duchatelet has asked him to explain what he's doing, but there is absolutely no evidence of influence or pressure.
As has been pointed out many times, Riga is RD's man. RD is more likely to trust what he tells him about the players and he may even have agreed to come on the basis that RD would not interfere. I'm not a big defender of the Daily Mail, but I have no reason to suppose that Martin Samuel is "hapless" in this case, because I can well imagine where his information originates.
So how come this little titbit didn't actually get publicised before the deed was done?
Even I knew Moyes was going before he was told.
I hope you let them know that when you accepted their settlement.
The only issue is weekly wage - and let's say as a guess that we offered £3k a week less than Brnmth.
That means we we short by about £400k in wages over the term of the contract offer.
Even if this claim by CAFC is true - they still sold one of our best players over a poxy £400k.
Whichever way they try to dress it up with detail - this is a basic fact.
It was poor decision making (IMO), just like the failure to get new players in January 2014.
Our demise has been all about poor decision making at Board level over a number of recent years.
I am not a fan of the last regime - but 2 early actions of theirs was to buy us a top goalscorer from a club in the same division and replace the manager with a "fan-friendly" former player.
Two early actions of the current regime were to sell our top goalscorer to a club in the same division and replace the manager with someone we have never heard of.
#youdothemaths
Edit I meant this thread and the bickering about RD and yann not here as in charlton life
The south Londoners parted company with Powell on Tuesday, replacing him with Jose Riga.
His first two games in charge have yielded 0-0 draws against Huddersfield and Millwall to lift Charlton off the bottom of the Championship.
And Morrison admitted that it had been a hectic week.
“I found out late the night before that he’d gone,” he explained.
“I don’t know if it was a surprise but I think the timing was a surprise for it to happen so quickly after the FA Cup tie and such a big week coming.
“Personally, I’ve enjoyed every minute of it. He’s helped my career but it’s one of those things that happens in football.
“He’d be the first to say these things happen. You have to move on.
“Everyone has to stick in for the good of Charlton. I’m sure he’s a proper Charlton man and that’s what he’ll say to everyone.
“He’ll want them to play for Jose and Charlton to keep us in the league.”
He added: “You read between the lines and obviously there was some sort of disagreement and that’s come to a head after the FA Cup tie and us being bottom of the league wouldn’t have helped his argument.
“The club has to move on and has to stay up.”
The pair only spoke briefly to say goodbye as Powell packed his things and there remains a great deal of respect between the pair.
Morrison explained: “I had a few words in his office both wishing each other well and thanking each other for helping each other’s career with the League One victory and doing well in the Championship.”
He added: “[The players didn’t meet], I think a few murmurs got out the evening before and it was a very quick turnaround.
“Chris packed his office up and the new guys were in. That’s how football goes.
“We had a meeting with Jose an hour afterwards. It’s about moving the club forward and staying in the Championship.”
Powell could be considered unfortunate as he had minimal funds in the summer to invest in the squad and then, when Charlton were taken over, had a new owner that wanted things done his way.
Morrison explained: “He’s had his hands tied from the summer at the start of this season and it has been difficult for him.
“I’m sure there were other players and different players that he’d like to have got in – maybe a bigger squad and that didn’t come.
“In January, the takeover and all the different views from there. If he’d been backed better at the beginning of the season it’d have made a difference.”
The defender has been impressed with Riga, whose style of play has appealed to the Addicks ace.
“He’s come in and said he wants to play the right way and build from the back,” Morrison revealed.
“We’ve tried to do that over the last two games. It’s a short period of time between games that we can get that in but he wants to play the right way.
“The lads are buying into it. Hopefully he can help the attacking threat of the team and we can score more goals.”
He added: I hadn’t heard of him. He was manager for Standard Liege and that links there and the owner believes he can do a job for the club.”
Riga has not yet got his feet under the table at The Valley and Morrison is working out how the pair differ.
“I don’t know really,” he explained. “Jose has been here for a week so we’ll see how it goes on. Alex Dyer has been helping him on Millwall’s threats and other team’s threat.
“The most important thing for Jose is what we do with the ball. You can see at the back and when we haven’t got the ball we’re a good side and hard to beat.
“We’re trying to add to the threat in front of goal. That’s what his main job is.”
@Curb_it
So who was your source? The players where obviously unaware of the impending sacking!
And what Samuels wrote about us was a disgrace - no surprise that the Daily Mail runs an anti foreigner jibe and funnily enough not much coverage since our form picked up... And if you are correct in your assertion that Samuels was fed that from within the club then that says it all!
Yes I have spoken to Richard Murray on occasion as do Prague and Razil. As chairman I'm sure he speaks to each of the fan groups and that seems a reasonable thing to do. He tells me things but to put it in perspective most of what I observe about the club is from watching the games and looking at the accounts, and of course reading threads on this site.
The difference is that I chose to believe Murray because it stacked up with what NLA stated and with Kermorgant's statement at Eltham. The alternative explanation is that Duchatelet chose to sell Kermorgant for a relatively small fee for no reason or to actually weaken the squad and that is simply not rational.
Your view appears to be that there is a conspiracy of half truths against the player and that Duchatelet is willfully destroying value by selling "our best players" and undermining the manager by daring to ask questions about team selection.
Just for clarification, I support the club - not one player, manager or board member. I have been clear in stating Duchatelet should have used the cup monies to improve the squad to help steer us clear of the bottom three and enhance our chances of a Wembley semi final.
Your whole narrative paints Powell as some kind of victim and I'm not so sure he would welcome that. He did wonders for the club and the fact that the coaching staff and squad are getting on with it is testament to the values and personnel he left behind.
What I see and hear suggests to me that Duchatelet knows what he's doing but we need to secure our Championship status and see what happens with the squad over the summer.
PS for clarification I was told that CAFC made a longer term offer to Kermorgant and with an increase - my earlier comparison was between the Bournemouth offer and what Kermorgant would have been on if he had played those extra games.
I have had a variety of challenges, piss takes and arguments on here but it is only Prague who accused me of making something up.
This is a big site with maybe 40% of the fanbase looking in. Maybe there are only a few hundred regular posters but they come from all walks of life and all have a different take on each game, each player and the general direction of the club.
1. I do not know the Charlton fan concerned for a long time.
2. To make such an incendiary leak would require me to indicate why this should be believed, and that would involve details that neither I nor he would wish to make public
3. The Charlton fan concerned does have an interest in portraying RD in a negative light, which I do not.
4. I only learnt about it a week later, when I met the person concerned in Prague.
BTW the person concerned is an expat like me, so it is most unlikely that he is the source, or connected to the sources which Curb It and Oooahh may have.
You'd be better off keeping it private, rather than all the bitching on here.
Apologies if that sounds rude, but if I think it, I'm sure a lot of others do as well.
It's only at Charlton that we are not used to new owners and regular changes of coach. We've had five managers covering the position since 1984 - thats 30 years. Most clubs are lucky to get to ten years with five managers.