We sold our two technically most gifted footballers. We did this at a time when the new manager was going to get us playing more football on the ground. Surely that would have suited both players more.
For the same money we bought Polish Pete.
Bit like moving to Dubai and getting rid of your shorts and t shirts on EBay and buying a duffel coat.
Anyone who thinks he would have scored 9 in 7 had he stayed is delusional.
He's gone, we didn't replace him....yadda yadda. This obssession with the bloke is at best tedious and at worst embarassing.
I believe the NLA version of YK's departure and for that reason have no respect for him.
At last someone who talks some sense, we are sadly lacking creativity in midfield. Kermy is obviously having more chances created for him at Bournemouth.All he had was the ball hoofed in the air to him when he was with us. I have to say though that I think we would now be safe if he stayed. Because the odd goal here and there might well have made the difference between losing/ drawing, Drawing/ winning.
KMG at Bournemouth shows that you need 2 decent strikers playing together in this division. WIth 1 decent striker it is possible for an opposing defence to mark them out of the game. With 2 decent strikers it can be really effective. Thats why KMG was not scoring a hatful of goal at Charlton. Only 1 decent striker.
Rhodes would not have scored such a lot of goals without the back up of a decent striker such as Gestede.
The answer in Jan for Charlton was to add another decent striker to the one we had. We got rid of the only decent striker we had. Thats why Charlton are struggling. If this is not remedied in the close season before next season starts, Charlton will struggle next year again. Who knows whether there will be sufficient investment on the playing side to resolve it.
KMG at Bournemouth shows that you need 2 decent strikers playing together in this division. WIth 1 decent striker it is possible for an opposing defence to mark them out of the game. With 2 decent strikers it can be really effective. Thats why KMG was not scoring a hatful of goal at Charlton. Only 1 decent striker.
Rhodes would not have scored such a lot of goals without the back up of a decent striker such as Gestede.
The answer in Jan for Charlton was to add another decent striker to the one we had. We got rid of the only decent striker we had. Thats why Charlton are struggling. If this is not remedied in the close season before next season start, Charlton will struggle next year again. Who knows whether there will be sufficient investment on the playing side to resolve it.
I doubt anyone disagrees with you which is why this thread is so daft
Hope people don't assume Yann would be sticking goals in for fun in our team, Bournemouth are better than us at creating chances (Look at Grabben's goalscoring record before Yann was even there).
I agree we didn't properly replace Yann, but this is getting tiresome now. Hopefully in the summer this will be put to bed with some decent striking options.
The problem is what we got instead, Obika - who is best played off the shoulder of... Kermorgant himself. Reza - has the strength of Kermorgants little finger.
Bad decisions or unreasonable ones can be measured out with a good one to kick, of which we have not had. Our only hope of making this transfer in the tiniest bit less embarrassing is YK tearing Millwall a new one and them going down with us just above them.
So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants? Thankfully none if you run our football club!
Yes. I absolutely do
Ok, you give Yann £15,000 a week, throw in some better deals for Morrow, Ben etc and we still go down. You have a lot of big earners in League One, but that's ok cos Roland is loaded.
Why throw in better deals for anyone else?
Do you not think that if the club gave Yann what he wanted, all the other better players wouldn't of been knocking in Roland's door ?
There isn't exactly a long list, though, and what exactly would the objection have been to signing them? Possibly that they are going to be released this summer regardless of whether we stay up in order that the squad can be stuffed with more of RD's nonsense signings.
What sits underneath all this is that the mismanagement of the previous pair had put certain players - and Kermorgant in particular - in a powerful bargaining position. Doubtless Yann's agent encouraged him to exploit that, but his position was a strong one regardless as events have demonstrated. RD's response was to pretend that it wasn't - and to believe instead that the ragbag of rubbish he sent over was capable of meeting the challenge instead.
We are now reaping the consequences of the fact he either didn't understand what he was doing or he didn't care.
So Airman you claim you don't have an anti Duchatelet agenda and yet anyone reading this from page four of this thread might think differently? In the final analysis it looks like the "ragbag of rubbish" has been good enough to give us a fighting chance of staying up. I think we all look forward to the next batch of "RD's nonsense signings" and to see who is retained. Unlike you I think many of us can wait until they are named and then play before applying any judgement. And my favourite is where you give the reader a choice that Duchatelet either didn't know or didn't care what he was doing. Everything I hear and see suggests the contrary position in that he knows and he cares. Unlike your good self Duchatelet has spent the last four years running a top Belgian club which is currently challenging for a champions league slot. Therefore my instinct is to trust his judgement rather than yours. Not saying he won't make mistakes and also some decisions won't get the fans approval, but I think it unreasonable to suggest negligence everytime something goes wrong.
I will leave Airman to correct your presentation of his so-called agenda. Suffice to say, that's not my take on his viewpoint.
However can I point out to you the following
1. RD bought Standard in June 2011. Thats 2 years and 9 months. You may be confusing them with STVV, whose success has been rather more elusive
2. The success Standard has achieved this season is not down to a 'network' strategy. That is brand new, and has not been material in boosting the Standard squad.
3. Notwithstanding this success, he has not yet won over a large proportion of Standard fans
The point is, simply, that the jury is out. If there is a reasonable conclusion from this fractious thread, it is that. But like any jury, it's important to present them with basic facts in a "precise" way, a word you have often thrown at me when disagreeing with my viewpoint.
Prague there was no "presentation" as I simply played back Airman's post word for word - it is entirely up to the reader what they make of it. So Duchatelet has owned Liege for nearly 3 years and the parallels in the first few months are there for anyone who cares to take a look: 1) sell a couple of players 2) sack popular manager and bring in Riga 3) emphasis on youth And in the case of Liege they recruited Batshuayi on 1st July 2011 who is now rated at £7-10m Granted this is nothing to do with the network and is all about Duchatelet's track record.
My guess is that at any given time we are unlikely to have more than 20% of the squad originating from the network and so I propose that we don't let the tail wag the dog. Part of the issue for sure but player retention of tried and tested professionals far higher on a list of priorities.
The irony is that you and others work with people and comms in the real world and I work with process and data...and yet I am the one saying look at Duchatelet the leader through his actions and track recordo at Liege over the last three years and look at their current squad to ascertain a likely path. And that is why I applauded the Trust initiative to do just that.
As for popularity with fans I think that's irrelevant! Success on the pitch and with the finances will win more fans over. If Duchatelet wanted to buy goodwill he would have put down a £2-3m warchest on Chris Powell's desk when he arrived.
But instead he wants to earn it through better results and better football. My perception is that Duchatelet is finding this first phase at CAFC fairly simple because he has trodden the path before and had worked with Riga before.
The big question is what happens over the summer and I can wait for that so no more posts from me!
Both sides of the argument are fully reflected in the new VOTV out this weekend, which will demonstrate exactly how much of an "agenda" I have towards RD, but the more critical views come from supporters you've never met and whose credentials you can't begin to challenge.
I'd love to know of all these well known and respected fans who are apparantly no longer considering re-newing their season tickets because of the current 'situation'.
Even after your proposed ST boycott, even you have renewed.
Five named contributors in the current edition - one of whom is positive, one ready to 'wait and see' and at least two others ex employees.
I said when we sold him it would be curtains for us
Might still be right, but even if not it will only be because this is the worst championship for donkeys years with a bottom 6 that would struggle in league one
Not because the owner is some sort of genius in the transfer market
He scored 5 goals for us this season.. Let's not pretend he was some sort of world beater. He's just got better players around him at Bournemouth
Yeah, you are right. I've just seen Reza for the first time. He's a feckin world beater, isn't he? But hey, we spent the money on Polish Pete, he's one for the future, you see...
Did I say he was? I've said all along we didn't replace him properly.
But good on you for judging a player on one game
I've seen Reza for most of his games. Shocking player.
I don't even think the main thing we're missing is his goals. It's the options and presence he brought to the team which rubs off on others.
Agree. He's was the nearest thing we've had to the Rufus, Kinsella, Robinson etc era. A heartbeat. Awful, awful move. And even if we stay up, we'll struggle to replace him.
He scored 5 goals for us this season.. Let's not pretend he was some sort of world beater. He's just got better players around him at Bournemouth
Yeah, you are right. I've just seen Reza for the first time. He's a feckin world beater, isn't he? But hey, we spent the money on Polish Pete, he's one for the future, you see...
Did I say he was? I've said all along we didn't replace him properly.
But good on you for judging a player on one game
I've seen Reza for most of his games. Shocking player.
I am lucky when I do go, to sit with somebody who is an excellent reader of the game and whose assessments of Charlton players over the last 30 years has been as accurate as anyone I know. When Reza came on I turned and asked him for his assessment. After looking me in the eye for a second he answered
He scored 5 goals for us this season.. Let's not pretend he was some sort of world beater. He's just got better players around him at Bournemouth
Yeah, you are right. I've just seen Reza for the first time. He's a feckin world beater, isn't he? But hey, we spent the money on Polish Pete, he's one for the future, you see...
Did I say he was? I've said all along we didn't replace him properly.
But good on you for judging a player on one game
I've seen Reza for most of his games. Shocking player.
I am lucky when I do go, to sit with somebody who is an excellent reader of the game and whose assessments of Charlton players over the last 30 years has been as accurate as anyone I know. When Reza came on I turned and asked him for his assessment. After looking me in the eye for a second he answered
"He's useless"
And for the next 20 minutes, I saw exactly why.
It must be great having friends that know everything, whilst everyone else knows nothing.
He scored 5 goals for us this season.. Let's not pretend he was some sort of world beater. He's just got better players around him at Bournemouth
Yeah, you are right. I've just seen Reza for the first time. He's a feckin world beater, isn't he? But hey, we spent the money on Polish Pete, he's one for the future, you see...
Did I say he was? I've said all along we didn't replace him properly.
But good on you for judging a player on one game
I've seen Reza for most of his games. Shocking player.
I am lucky when I do go, to sit with somebody who is an excellent reader of the game and whose assessments of Charlton players over the last 30 years has been as accurate as anyone I know. When Reza came on I turned and asked him for his assessment. After looking me in the eye for a second he answered
"He's useless"
And for the next 20 minutes, I saw exactly why.
I won't believe you until someone I trust looks me in the eye and tells me.
But as it goes I agree that he's not all that. having seen him quite a few times.
I don't even think the main thing we're missing is his goals. It's the options and presence he brought to the team which rubs off on others.
Agreed, also his heading ability at set plays against us. The Barnsley CH goal at a corner & Blackburns free kick goals recently come to mind, these types of goal were less evident when he played.
He scored 5 goals for us this season.. Let's not pretend he was some sort of world beater. He's just got better players around him at Bournemouth
Yeah, you are right. I've just seen Reza for the first time. He's a feckin world beater, isn't he? But hey, we spent the money on Polish Pete, he's one for the future, you see...
Did I say he was? I've said all along we didn't replace him properly.
But good on you for judging a player on one game
I've seen Reza for most of his games. Shocking player.
I am lucky when I do go, to sit with somebody who is an excellent reader of the game and whose assessments of Charlton players over the last 30 years has been as accurate as anyone I know. When Reza came on I turned and asked him for his assessment. After looking me in the eye for a second he answered
"He's useless"
And for the next 20 minutes, I saw exactly why.
Your friend is right. He tries to run the show but is nowhere near good enough to do that. His reading and vision for the game is nonexistent and he can't trap or control a ball to save his life.
He scored 5 goals for us this season.. Let's not pretend he was some sort of world beater. He's just got better players around him at Bournemouth
Yeah, you are right. I've just seen Reza for the first time. He's a feckin world beater, isn't he? But hey, we spent the money on Polish Pete, he's one for the future, you see...
Did I say he was? I've said all along we didn't replace him properly.
But good on you for judging a player on one game
I've seen Reza for most of his games. Shocking player.
I am lucky when I do go, to sit with somebody who is an excellent reader of the game and whose assessments of Charlton players over the last 30 years has been as accurate as anyone I know. When Reza came on I turned and asked him for his assessment. After looking me in the eye for a second he answered
"He's useless"
And for the next 20 minutes, I saw exactly why.
It must be great having friends that know everything, whilst everyone else knows nothing.
so. Have you seen him? If so, what's your assessment?
A number pf players didn't play well yesterday. Bit unfair to pick on Reza. Solly, Morrison Dervite Cousins didn't do themselves justice. But they didnt come from the network.
A number pf players didn't play well yesterday. Bit unfair to pick on Reza. Solly, Morrison Dervite Cousins didn't do themselves justice. But they didnt come from the network.
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The difference with those four was that I at least had no doubt that they were playing for the team.
Furthermore Dervite has improved as a player since the one I saw a year ago at Watford.
Back to the point @PragueAddick... Did you get to look the club chairman in the eye and find out whether Kermorgant was shipped out against his wishes. Some obviously think it's wrong to have a relationship with the club chair... personally I think it's the only place to be because if you're not there you're nowhere - on the outside of the tent pissing in! Writing headlines and relying on leaks when the reality is in fact one might be played by agents and players - the very people who would bleed the club and the wider game dry if they could.
A number of players didn't play well yesterday. Bit unfair to pick on Reza. Solly, Morrison Dervite Cousins didn't do themselves justice. But they didnt come from the network.
. The difference with those four was that I at least had no doubt that they were playing for the team
The irony was that Kermorgant wasn't playing for the team nor the manager when he jumped ship.
Back to the point @PragueAddick... Did you get to look the club chairman in the eye and find out whether Kermorgant was shipped out against his wishes. Some obviously think it's wrong to have a relationship with the club chair... personally I think it's the only place to be because if you're not there you're nowhere - on the outside of the tent pissing in! Writing headlines and relying on leaks when the reality is in fact one might be played by agents and players - the very people who would bleed the club and the wider game dry if they could.
A number of players didn't play well yesterday. Bit unfair to pick on Reza. Solly, Morrison Dervite Cousins didn't do themselves justice. But they didnt come from the network.
. The difference with those four was that I at least had no doubt that they were playing for the team
The irony was that Kermorgant wasn't playing for the team nor the manager when he jumped ship.
This endless nonsense continues. In true French farcical genre I can but say "listen very carefully because I will say this only ONCE MORE".
M. Kermorgant is not a mercenary. He is his own man and maybe because of the life challenges he has had to face and beat he is an independent spirit. You will recall he was cautioned by Powell about the isolationist behaviour he displayed at Leicester. You can see quite clearly from his curriculum vitae he has not stayed very long anywhere. None of this is intended as a criticism of the man. I still like the bloke but not unreasonably he pursued his own agenda in January of this year.
I would have much preferred he had not but I can understand why he did. The underlying reasons are always going to be subject of speculation but the clues are there for us all to see. In his own words "they did not do enough to keep me" - very cryptic - how very Cantona.
In his own (and Stephens) words he stated very clearly he and the players were concerned that Powell received assurances concerning a future contract. You can argue how altruistic but in realty it was very clearly in KMGs' own interest that the man who brought him to the club, and to a degree had turned him into a talisman stayed around.
If Powell was not at that stage receiving such assurances then the options facing KMG were to remain at Charlton and possibly have to work with a new unknown coach or move to Bournemouth to work with a manager who clearly rated him because he was prepared to pay good money for his signature. It was I believe the first time anybody had paid a transfer fee for his services.
You can of course argue;
a) Duchatelet should have given Powell and KMG the assurances they were seeking but that effectively meant signing into a commitment to 4 people (Powell, Dyer, Matthew, Kermorgant) for a minimum of 2yrs, (possibly 3 for the managerial team) which at an average of say£5k a week comes out about £2-2.5mn. To even ask someone to make such commitment on little more than a couple of conversations over a couple of weeks is unreasonable and for KMG as a player entirely inappropriate.
I can imagine it will have rung more than a few alarms bells with RD. His expectation will have been he was employing people to play for Charlton Athletic not for Chris Powell.
b) We could have kept KMG to his existing contract. It would have been entirely inappropriate because i) he had been offered the prospect of a revised improved contract upon the completion of the takeover, and ii) he will through his agent have been aware of what was on the table elsewhere.
Had we pursued this option I will leave you to imagine KMGs' response to the departure of Powell.
In the end he chose the right option for himself. As a consequence because in effect he was more concerned about playing for Chris Powell than Charlton Athletic it was the right option for us. In the short term we are poorer for his departure. In the long term we will have to wait and see.
I am delighted for him he has enjoyed early success with Bournemouth.
I for one am absolutely determined to move on and hope for the sanity of everyone this endless twitter like obsession with the man every time he farts can fade into oblivion. It simply does not matter what the "friggin" hell he does at Bournemouth - he CHOSE to leave. He can like any French "amour" dress it up in any terms and cryptic lines as he likes - his best interests were served by moving - he chose the other woman - get over it.
A number pf players didn't play well yesterday. Bit unfair to pick on Reza. Solly, Morrison Dervite Cousins didn't do themselves justice. But they didnt come from the network.
Were you watching the same game? Dervite our MOM for me
If I understand correctly you are claiming that YK was insisting that there be new deals not just for him but also for CP and his cohorts? Well maybe you have your sources but that's the first time I have heard such a claim, so I think your post is going to sustain rather than close down this thread, which seems to be your desire.
I'm also interested in your view on the related issue which most of us have indeed "moved on" to, which is whether YK was adequately replaced, and if not, why not. It appears that all if not more than the fee we received for YK was spent on Polish Pete - certainly it is beyond reasonable dispute that his club received 700k euros. What is your view on that? Personally I find it baffling which is why I think it's useful to have a discussion in case better informed or simply more intelligent people can point out something I hadn't thought of - which certainly you have done in the past
This endless nonsense continues. In true French farcical genre I can but say "listen very carefully because I will say this only ONCE MORE".
M. Kermorgant is not a mercenary. He is his own man and maybe because of the life challenges he has had to face and beat he is an independent spirit. You will recall he was cautioned by Powell about the isolationist behaviour he displayed at Leicester. You can see quite clearly from his curriculum vitae he has not stayed very long anywhere. None of this is intended as a criticism of the man. I still like the bloke but not unreasonably he pursued his own agenda in January of this year.
I would have much preferred he had not but I can understand why he did. The underlying reasons are always going to be subject of speculation but the clues are there for us all to see. In his own words "they did not do enough to keep me" - very cryptic - how very Cantona.
In his own (and Stephens) words he stated very clearly he and the players were concerned that Powell received assurances concerning a future contract. You can argue how altruistic but in realty it was very clearly in KMGs' own interest that the man who brought him to the club, and to a degree had turned him into a talisman stayed around.
If Powell was not at that stage receiving such assurances then the options facing KMG were to remain at Charlton and possibly have to work with a new unknown coach or move to Bournemouth to work with a manager who clearly rated him because he was prepared to pay good money for his signature. It was I believe the first time anybody had paid a transfer fee for his services.
You can of course argue;
a) Duchatelet should have given Powell and KMG the assurances they were seeking but that effectively meant signing into a commitment to 4 people (Powell, Dyer, Matthew, Kermorgant) for a minimum of 2yrs, (possibly 3 for the managerial team) which at an average of say£5k a week comes out about £2-2.5mn. To even ask someone to make such commitment on little more than a couple of conversations over a couple of weeks is unreasonable and for KMG as a player entirely inappropriate.
I can imagine it will have rung more than a few alarms bells with RD. His expectation will have been he was employing people to play for Charlton Athletic not for Chris Powell.
b) We could have kept KMG to his existing contract. It would have been entirely inappropriate because i) he had been offered the prospect of a revised improved contract upon the completion of the takeover, and ii) he will through his agent have been aware of what was on the table elsewhere.
Had we pursued this option I will leave you to imagine KMGs' response to the departure of Powell.
In the end he chose the right option for himself. As a consequence because in effect he was more concerned about playing for Chris Powell than Charlton Athletic it was the right option for us. In the short term we are poorer for his departure. In the long term we will have to wait and see.
I am delighted for him he has enjoyed early success with Bournemouth.
I for one am absolutely determined to move on and hope for the sanity of everyone this endless twitter like obsession with the man every time he farts can fade into oblivion. It simply does not matter what the "friggin" hell he does at Bournemouth - he CHOSE to leave. He can like any French "amour" dress it up in any terms and cryptic lines as he likes - his best interests were served by moving - he chose the other woman - get over it.
I'm also interested in your view on the related issue which most of us have indeed "moved on" to, which is whether YK was adequately replaced, and if not, why not. It appears that all if not more than the fee we received for YK was spent on Polish Pete - certainly it is beyond reasonable dispute that his club received 700k euros. What is your view on that? Personally I find it baffling which is why I think it's useful to have a discussion in case better informed or simply more intelligent people can point out something I hadn't thought of - which certainly you have done in the past
I'm not convinced there's much to discuss any more. We'll never know all the facts re Yann's departure. Equally, nobody can seriously believe the replacements have been adequate. Or that Yann's scoring rate would as good with Callum Harriott providing the service. But banging on about it isn't going to bring him back.
So far so not great re the new regime's transfer activity. Put that down to the network set-up if you like, or (my view) bucket in with other poor decisions/periods (Varney, McLeod for example). The debate should be: what do we want to happen next?
We are moving to Selhurst Park because we can't play at The Valley anymore - get over it.
How can you liken the departure of one nearly out of contract player with this is beyond me.
Totally irrelevant statement.
I'm simply provoking thought that one grave error in our history has been corrected in due course, yet for many it still rankles in the memory....i.e. the way we were told about the move and the reason for it.
We are back home now, but our departure from SE7 still serves as a reminder not to be too complacent. Some other teams refer to us as "nomads" or "homeless" etc, which is a tag we will probably never shake off.
So hopefully you will see that a glib statement like "get over it" will never really make anyone....er...... get over it, hence my post is 100% relevant.
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For the same money we bought Polish Pete.
Bit like moving to Dubai and getting rid of your shorts and t shirts on EBay and buying a duffel coat.
Makes no sense.
Rhodes would not have scored such a lot of goals without the back up of a decent striker such as Gestede.
The answer in Jan for Charlton was to add another decent striker to the one we had. We got rid of the only decent striker we had. Thats why Charlton are struggling. If this is not remedied in the close season before next season starts, Charlton will struggle next year again. Who knows whether there will be sufficient investment on the playing side to resolve it.
Bad decisions or unreasonable ones can be measured out with a good one to kick, of which we have not had. Our only hope of making this transfer in the tiniest bit less embarrassing is YK tearing Millwall a new one and them going down with us just above them.
I'd love to know of all these well known and respected fans who are apparantly no longer considering re-newing their season tickets because of the current 'situation'.
Even after your proposed ST boycott, even you have renewed.
Five named contributors in the current edition - one of whom is positive, one ready to 'wait and see' and at least two others ex employees.
Might still be right, but even if not it will only be because this is the worst championship for donkeys years with a bottom 6 that would struggle in league one
Not because the owner is some sort of genius in the transfer market
Awful, awful move.
And even if we stay up, we'll struggle to replace him.
"He's useless"
And for the next 20 minutes, I saw exactly why.
But as it goes I agree that he's not all that. having seen him quite a few times.
Solly, Morrison Dervite Cousins didn't do themselves justice. But they didnt come from the network.
The difference with those four was that I at least had no doubt that they were playing for the team.
Furthermore Dervite has improved as a player since the one I saw a year ago at Watford.
Did you get to look the club chairman in the eye and find out whether Kermorgant was shipped out against his wishes. Some obviously think it's wrong to have a relationship with the club chair... personally I think it's the only place to be because if you're not there you're nowhere - on the outside of the tent pissing in! Writing headlines and relying on leaks when the reality is in fact one might be played by agents and players - the very people who would bleed the club and the wider game dry if they could. The irony was that Kermorgant wasn't playing for the team nor the manager when he jumped ship.
M. Kermorgant is not a mercenary. He is his own man and maybe because of the life challenges he has had to face and beat he is an independent spirit. You will recall he was cautioned by Powell about the isolationist behaviour he displayed at Leicester. You can see quite clearly from his curriculum vitae he has not stayed very long anywhere. None of this is intended as a criticism of the man. I still like the bloke but not unreasonably he pursued his own agenda in January of this year.
I would have much preferred he had not but I can understand why he did. The underlying reasons are always going to be subject of speculation but the clues are there for us all to see. In his own words "they did not do enough to keep me" - very cryptic - how very Cantona.
In his own (and Stephens) words he stated very clearly he and the players were concerned that Powell received assurances concerning a future contract. You can argue how altruistic but in realty it was very clearly in KMGs' own interest that the man who brought him to the club, and to a degree had turned him into a talisman stayed around.
If Powell was not at that stage receiving such assurances then the options facing KMG were to remain at Charlton and possibly have to work with a new unknown coach or move to Bournemouth to work with a manager who clearly rated him because he was prepared to pay good money for his signature. It was I believe the first time anybody had paid a transfer fee for his services.
You can of course argue;
a) Duchatelet should have given Powell and KMG the assurances they were seeking but that effectively meant signing into a commitment to 4 people (Powell, Dyer, Matthew, Kermorgant) for a minimum of 2yrs, (possibly 3 for the managerial team) which at an average of say£5k a week comes out about £2-2.5mn. To even ask someone to make such commitment on little more than a couple of conversations over a couple of weeks is unreasonable and for KMG as a player entirely inappropriate.
I can imagine it will have rung more than a few alarms bells with RD. His expectation will have been he was employing people to play for Charlton Athletic not for Chris Powell.
b) We could have kept KMG to his existing contract. It would have been entirely inappropriate because i) he had been offered the prospect of a revised improved contract upon the completion of the takeover, and ii) he will through his agent have been aware of what was on the table elsewhere.
Had we pursued this option I will leave you to imagine KMGs' response to the departure of Powell.
In the end he chose the right option for himself. As a consequence because in effect he was more concerned about playing for Chris Powell than Charlton Athletic it was the right option for us. In the short term we are poorer for his departure. In the long term we will have to wait and see.
I am delighted for him he has enjoyed early success with Bournemouth.
I for one am absolutely determined to move on and hope for the sanity of everyone this endless twitter like obsession with the man every time he farts can fade into oblivion. It simply does not matter what the "friggin" hell he does at Bournemouth - he CHOSE to leave. He can like any French "amour" dress it up in any terms and cryptic lines as he likes - his best interests were served by moving - he chose the other woman - get over it.
If I understand correctly you are claiming that YK was insisting that there be new deals not just for him but also for CP and his cohorts? Well maybe you have your sources but that's the first time I have heard such a claim, so I think your post is going to sustain rather than close down this thread, which seems to be your desire.
I'm also interested in your view on the related issue which most of us have indeed "moved on" to, which is whether YK was adequately replaced, and if not, why not. It appears that all if not more than the fee we received for YK was spent on Polish Pete - certainly it is beyond reasonable dispute that his club received 700k euros. What is your view on that? Personally I find it baffling which is why I think it's useful to have a discussion in case better informed or simply more intelligent people can point out something I hadn't thought of - which certainly you have done in the past
Totally irrelevant statement.
So far so not great re the new regime's transfer activity. Put that down to the network set-up if you like, or (my view) bucket in with other poor decisions/periods (Varney, McLeod for example). The debate should be: what do we want to happen next?
We are back home now, but our departure from SE7 still serves as a reminder not to be too complacent. Some other teams refer to us as "nomads" or "homeless" etc, which is a tag we will probably never shake off.
So hopefully you will see that a glib statement like "get over it" will never really make anyone....er...... get over it, hence my post is 100% relevant.
#smileyfacethingthattellsyouimnotrucking