So suddenly everyone in the Bramall Lane Boardroom knew Chris Powell was going to be sacked later in the week?
So how come this little titbit didn't actually get publicised before the deed was done?
1. I do not know the Charlton fan concerned for a long time. 3. The Charlton fan concerned does have an interest in portraying RD in a negative light, which I do not. 4. I only learnt about it a week later, when I met the person concerned in Prague.
I find it amazing that you were therefore willling to accept what you were told knowing the above three points, yet are unwilling to accept that YK tried and failed to hold the club to ransom.
I also find it amazing that Sean Bean knew CP was a deadman walking yet none of the players did.
So suddenly everyone in the Bramall Lane Boardroom knew Chris Powell was going to be sacked later in the week?
So how come this little titbit didn't actually get publicised before the deed was done?
1. I do not know the Charlton fan concerned for a long time. 3. The Charlton fan concerned does have an interest in portraying RD in a negative light, which I do not. 4. I only learnt about it a week later, when I met the person concerned in Prague.
I find it amazing that you were therefore willling to accept what you were told knowing the above three points, yet are unwilling to accept that YK tried and failed to hold the club to ransom.
I also find it amazing that Sean Bean knew CP was a deadman walking yet none of the players did.
Once again. I didn't say anything on here about that precisely because I didn't fully accept it to be true. I shared it privately with Airman because it fitted with what various other people had heard, as Curb_It has pointed out. Similarly I don't rule out that NLA might be right about Yann, but if its OK with you, when I'm over I'm going to check with people I trust before I believe a story that is unprecedented in at least 10 years at Charlton and does not fit with everything we've seen and heard about the player since he has been here.
Powell told people in the boardroom after the game that he was gone
With due respect, NLA, a crystal ball wasn't needed to see what was coming. We were bottom of the league and had just been emphatically dumped out of the Cup by a team in the division below us.
Powell told people in the boardroom after the game that he was gone
With due respect, NLA, a crystal ball wasn't needed to see what was coming. We were bottom of the league and had just been emphatically dumped out of the Cup by a team in the division below us.
Not why he was sacked though - for evidence see the club's own statement. We went bottom because we didn't play enough of our league games early enough and even at Charlton you can't get sacked for "only" reaching an FA Cup quarter final.
My point, however, is that the idea the national press and supporters who have heard what went on are somehow anti-RD propagandists with an agenda whereas the likes of Seriously Red is an impartial and objective commentator and the club strictly tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, is laughable, whatever the facts about YK.
So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants? Thankfully none if you run our football club!
Yes. I absolutely do
Ok, you give Yann £15,000 a week, throw in some better deals for Morrow, Ben etc and we still go down. You have a lot of big earners in League One, but that's ok cos Roland is loaded.
Why throw in better deals for anyone else?
Do you not think that if the club gave Yann what he wanted, all the other better players wouldn't of been knocking in Roland's door ?
There isn't exactly a long list, though, and what exactly would the objection have been to signing them? Possibly that they are going to be released this summer regardless of whether we stay up in order that the squad can be stuffed with more of RD's nonsense signings.
What sits underneath all this is that the mismanagement of the previous pair had put certain players - and Kermorgant in particular - in a powerful bargaining position. Doubtless Yann's agent encouraged him to exploit that, but his position was a strong one regardless as events have demonstrated. RD's response was to pretend that it wasn't - and to believe instead that the ragbag of rubbish he sent over was capable of meeting the challenge instead.
We are now reaping the consequences of the fact he either didn't understand what he was doing or he didn't care.
So Airman you claim you don't have an anti Duchatelet agenda and yet anyone reading this from page four of this thread might think differently? In the final analysis it looks like the "ragbag of rubbish" has been good enough to give us a fighting chance of staying up. I think we all look forward to the next batch of "RD's nonsense signings" and to see who is retained. Unlike you I think many of us can wait until they are named and then play before applying any judgement. And my favourite is where you give the reader a choice that Duchatelet either didn't know or didn't care what he was doing. Everything I hear and see suggests the contrary position in that he knows and he cares. Unlike your good self Duchatelet has spent the last four years running a top Belgian club which is currently challenging for a champions league slot. Therefore my instinct is to trust his judgement rather than yours. Not saying he won't make mistakes and also some decisions won't get the fans approval, but I think it unreasonable to suggest negligence everytime something goes wrong.
Obviously Prague's 'leaks' are far more accurate than anybody else's 'leaks', which are not to be trusted, oh no.
What comes across as complete nonsense is the never ending spin against Duchatelet and how everything is his fault... from being a feeder club, to making Chris Powell play Liege players (as opposed to asking why they aren't played) to Duchatelet wanting us relegated to save £4M(?) on the acquisition of the club.
Obviously Prague's 'leaks' are far more accurate than anybody else's 'leaks', which are not to be trusted, oh no.
Except Prague was told exactly the same thing as myself by someone at the club and chose not to believe it even though it stacks up with everything that NLA states. This was acknowledged earlier in the thread and hairs were split as to whether Kermorgant feigned injury or whether he simply refused to show up.
Either the club is wasting its time spinning against an ex-player or alternatively it's true!
Far from being the enemy of the fans, Duchatelet and the fans have much in common in terms of wanting to see a winning team in front of growing crowds. We all want the best players to sign new contracts and we all want Riga to succeed although some are struggling with their loyalty to Powell
What comes across as complete nonsense is the never ending spin against Duchatelet and how everything is his fault... from being a feeder club, to making Chris Powell play Liege players (as opposed to asking why they aren't played) to Duchatelet wanting us relegated to save £4M(?) on the acquisition of the club.
Don't be so naive. Do you honestly think that's any different? Either way he was trying to influence team selection and undermine Powell.
Yes, it's completely different. It's entirely reasonable for Duchatelet to ask the Manager, whether its Powell or Riga, to explain why he's not selecting a player that has just been signed, especially if he'd been led to believe the player concerned would improve the side. Infact, it would be very odd if he didn't want to understand. However, this is a million miles away from seeking to influence team selection.
Several weeks ago, when posting a comment on the Daily Mail article written by the hapless Martin Samuel, I suggested that some people may have failed to appreciate this subtle, but critical distinction. It's possible that around the time he was sacked Chris Powell was highly stressed and that he'd adopted a bunker mentality. Perhaps in his own mind he really did believe he was being told who to play. Who knows, but surely Jose Riga has put this nonsense to bed. Powell made use of four network players and Parzyszek. Riga has used just two, neither of whom started on Monday. I'll bet Duchatelet has asked him to explain what he's doing, but there is absolutely no evidence of influence or pressure.
That would only be relevant if Powell had signed those players. Which he didn't.
I'm not sure I agree with that... The manager is responsible for managing the squad irrespective of the origins of the players be that loan signing, academy or transfer in and now network loans. He doesn't just pick the team. One of the main roles has to be to add value to the individual players and the team. I learnt recently that the club has an analyst using prozone who has been in place for a while and it is both reasonable and rational for a new owner to also employ analysts so that the owner can have the most informed dialogue possible with the manager / coach. It's only at Charlton that we are not used to new owners and regular changes of coach. We've had five managers covering the position since 1984 - thats 30 years. Most clubs are lucky to get to ten years with five managers.
My point was that it's not Powell who had lead RD to believe that Reza, Thuram and Nego were players that would improve Charlton and that they were players he wanted to sign. On that basis, your argument that RD can then question Powell on their absence if Powell didn't select them is irrelevant. It's not Powell he should be questioning on that basis.
So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants? Thankfully none if you run our football club!
Yes. I absolutely do
Ok, you give Yann £15,000 a week, throw in some better deals for Morrow, Ben etc and we still go down. You have a lot of big earners in League One, but that's ok cos Roland is loaded.
Why throw in better deals for anyone else?
Do you not think that if the club gave Yann what he wanted, all the other better players wouldn't of been knocking in Roland's door ?
There isn't exactly a long list, though, and what exactly would the objection have been to signing them? Possibly that they are going to be released this summer regardless of whether we stay up in order that the squad can be stuffed with more of RD's nonsense signings.
What sits underneath all this is that the mismanagement of the previous pair had put certain players - and Kermorgant in particular - in a powerful bargaining position. Doubtless Yann's agent encouraged him to exploit that, but his position was a strong one regardless as events have demonstrated. RD's response was to pretend that it wasn't - and to believe instead that the ragbag of rubbish he sent over was capable of meeting the challenge instead.
We are now reaping the consequences of the fact he either didn't understand what he was doing or he didn't care.
So Airman you claim you don't have an anti Duchatelet agenda and yet anyone reading this from page four of this thread might think differently? In the final analysis it looks like the "ragbag of rubbish" has been good enough to give us a fighting chance of staying up. I think we all look forward to the next batch of "RD's nonsense signings" and to see who is retained. Unlike you I think many of us can wait until they are named and then play before applying any judgement. And my favourite is where you give the reader a choice that Duchatelet either didn't know or didn't care what he was doing. Everything I hear and see suggests the contrary position in that he knows and he cares. Unlike your good self Duchatelet has spent the last four years running a top Belgian club which is currently challenging for a champions league slot. Therefore my instinct is to trust his judgement rather than yours. Not saying he won't make mistakes and also some decisions won't get the fans approval, but I think it unreasonable to suggest negligence everytime something goes wrong.
I will leave Airman to correct your presentation of his so-called agenda. Suffice to say, that's not my take on his viewpoint.
However can I point out to you the following
1. RD bought Standard in June 2011. Thats 2 years and 9 months. You may be confusing them with STVV, whose success has been rather more elusive
2. The success Standard has achieved this season is not down to a 'network' strategy. That is brand new, and has not been material in boosting the Standard squad.
3. Notwithstanding this success, he has not yet won over a large proportion of Standard fans
The point is, simply, that the jury is out. If there is a reasonable conclusion from this fractious thread, it is that. But like any jury, it's important to present them with basic facts in a "precise" way, a word you have often thrown at me when disagreeing with my viewpoint.
I have an idea, why don't we wait for a while to see what RD has planned for the Club in the close season and beyond. I think it will be clearer, if we stay in this division,what his plans are. I really don't think we are going to be a feeder Club to SL, and the other Clubs he owns are small fry. I believe that RD will push the boat out and get some decent signings in. The pot of Gold after all is in the Premiership. I also hope that Hamer, Morrison, Dervite and Poyet are offered new contracts because they certainly deserve it. I think you will also see a number of Academy lads like Osborne, Muldoon, Fox being given new contracts which is great for our Club. However it turns out, the next year or two will not be dull.
I have also heard that SCP knew before Sheffield Utd that it was his last game because he hadn't followed RD's instructions , no wonder the mood and performnace that day was so wank
I'm 100 per cent confident that is what happened and 5,000-plus Charlton fans were f*cked over by the owner because of it, yet the big issue is what Yann is supposed to have done before the Huddersfield game? And of course the club is briefing against Yann, at the highest level, and has been from the beginning - regardless of what the truth is. As I said before, it's likely both sides are being selective with the facts.
Why were they fucked over? Powell was taking us down, the league table does not lie. I smell an agenda here!
Anything that doesn't suit what you want to believe is an agenda - anything that does is cast-iron reliable certainty. Unfortunately the real world's a bit more complicated.
I do believe i've just been patronised!
A lot of your posts come across as bitter regarding the club AB, so you may have to forgive me if I think you have an agenda against the club and or RD.
I regard the previous ownership as scum based on my experience of them (and I am in good company there), but that doesn't extend to RD. I am not sure what an agenda "against the club" would look like, but I'm sure it wouldn't entail travelling around the country to support the team.
So calling the last owners 'scum' isn't an 'agenda'?
I hope you let them know that when you accepted their settlement.
Money talks, mmm-hmm-hmm, money talks Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you, woh-oh Money talks, money talks Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you, woh-oh
Powell told people in the boardroom after the game that he was gone
With due respect, NLA, a crystal ball wasn't needed to see what was coming. We were bottom of the league and had just been emphatically dumped out of the Cup by a team in the division below us.
Not why he was sacked though - for evidence see the club's own statement. We went bottom because we didn't play enough of our league games early enough and even at Charlton you can't get sacked for "only" reaching an FA Cup quarter final.
My point, however, is that the idea the national press and supporters who have heard what went on are somehow anti-RD propagandists with an agenda whereas the likes of Seriously Red is an impartial and objective commentator and the club strictly tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, is laughable, whatever the facts about YK.
I understand your points, Airman, but surely our failures on the pitch were the main cause of Powell's dismissal. Would he have been sacked if we were riding high in the league and through to a Cup semi-final?
So Airman you claim you don't have an anti Duchatelet agenda and yet anyone reading this from page four of this thread might think differently? In the final analysis it looks like the "ragbag of rubbish" has been good enough to give us a fighting chance of staying up. I think we all look forward to the next batch of "RD's nonsense signings" and to see who is retained. Unlike you I think many of us can wait until they are named and then play before applying any judgement.
Speak for yourself. Based on what he's sent so far - no thanks
So Airman you claim you don't have an anti Duchatelet agenda and yet anyone reading this from page four of this thread might think differently? In the final analysis it looks like the "ragbag of rubbish" has been good enough to give us a fighting chance of staying up. I think we all look forward to the next batch of "RD's nonsense signings" and to see who is retained. Unlike you I think many of us can wait until they are named and then play before applying any judgement.
Speak for yourself. Based on what he's sent so far - no thanks
Reza good enough. not the type of player for this team at the moment in the current set up though. got so easily be on 5 goals by now. he gets on the ball in games and doesnt hide.
the rest seem pony i agree
what about Obika though? RD brought him in so should be included also. he is good enough for the champ.
im sitting on the fence and getting splinters in my harris. if we go down RD is a caant and if we stay up he is the messiah. no middle ground.
So Airman you claim you don't have an anti Duchatelet agenda and yet anyone reading this from page four of this thread might think differently? In the final analysis it looks like the "ragbag of rubbish" has been good enough to give us a fighting chance of staying up. I think we all look forward to the next batch of "RD's nonsense signings" and to see who is retained. Unlike you I think many of us can wait until they are named and then play before applying any judgement.
Speak for yourself. Based on what he's sent so far - no thanks
So Airman you claim you don't have an anti Duchatelet agenda and yet anyone reading this from page four of this thread might think differently? In the final analysis it looks like the "ragbag of rubbish" has been good enough to give us a fighting chance of staying up. I think we all look forward to the next batch of "RD's nonsense signings" and to see who is retained. Unlike you I think many of us can wait until they are named and then play before applying any judgement.
Speak for yourself. Based on what he's sent so far - no thanks
So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants? Thankfully none if you run our football club!
Yes. I absolutely do
Ok, you give Yann £15,000 a week, throw in some better deals for Morrow, Ben etc and we still go down. You have a lot of big earners in League One, but that's ok cos Roland is loaded.
Why throw in better deals for anyone else?
Do you not think that if the club gave Yann what he wanted, all the other better players wouldn't of been knocking in Roland's door ?
There isn't exactly a long list, though, and what exactly would the objection have been to signing them? Possibly that they are going to be released this summer regardless of whether we stay up in order that the squad can be stuffed with more of RD's nonsense signings.
What sits underneath all this is that the mismanagement of the previous pair had put certain players - and Kermorgant in particular - in a powerful bargaining position. Doubtless Yann's agent encouraged him to exploit that, but his position was a strong one regardless as events have demonstrated. RD's response was to pretend that it wasn't - and to believe instead that the ragbag of rubbish he sent over was capable of meeting the challenge instead.
We are now reaping the consequences of the fact he either didn't understand what he was doing or he didn't care.
So Airman you claim you don't have an anti Duchatelet agenda and yet anyone reading this from page four of this thread might think differently? In the final analysis it looks like the "ragbag of rubbish" has been good enough to give us a fighting chance of staying up. I think we all look forward to the next batch of "RD's nonsense signings" and to see who is retained. Unlike you I think many of us can wait until they are named and then play before applying any judgement. And my favourite is where you give the reader a choice that Duchatelet either didn't know or didn't care what he was doing. Everything I hear and see suggests the contrary position in that he knows and he cares. Unlike your good self Duchatelet has spent the last four years running a top Belgian club which is currently challenging for a champions league slot. Therefore my instinct is to trust his judgement rather than yours. Not saying he won't make mistakes and also some decisions won't get the fans approval, but I think it unreasonable to suggest negligence everytime something goes wrong.
I will leave Airman to correct your presentation of his so-called agenda. Suffice to say, that's not my take on his viewpoint.
However can I point out to you the following
1. RD bought Standard in June 2011. Thats 2 years and 9 months. You may be confusing them with STVV, whose success has been rather more elusive
2. The success Standard has achieved this season is not down to a 'network' strategy. That is brand new, and has not been material in boosting the Standard squad.
3. Notwithstanding this success, he has not yet won over a large proportion of Standard fans
The point is, simply, that the jury is out. If there is a reasonable conclusion from this fractious thread, it is that. But like any jury, it's important to present them with basic facts in a "precise" way, a word you have often thrown at me when disagreeing with my viewpoint.
Prague there was no "presentation" as I simply played back Airman's post word for word - it is entirely up to the reader what they make of it. So Duchatelet has owned Liege for nearly 3 years and the parallels in the first few months are there for anyone who cares to take a look: 1) sell a couple of players 2) sack popular manager and bring in Riga 3) emphasis on youth And in the case of Liege they recruited Batshuayi on 1st July 2011 who is now rated at £7-10m Granted this is nothing to do with the network and is all about Duchatelet's track record.
My guess is that at any given time we are unlikely to have more than 20% of the squad originating from the network and so I propose that we don't let the tail wag the dog. Part of the issue for sure but player retention of tried and tested professionals far higher on a list of priorities.
The irony is that you and others work with people and comms in the real world and I work with process and data...and yet I am the one saying look at Duchatelet the leader through his actions and track recordo at Liege over the last three years and look at their current squad to ascertain a likely path. And that is why I applauded the Trust initiative to do just that.
As for popularity with fans I think that's irrelevant! Success on the pitch and with the finances will win more fans over. If Duchatelet wanted to buy goodwill he would have put down a £2-3m warchest on Chris Powell's desk when he arrived.
But instead he wants to earn it through better results and better football. My perception is that Duchatelet is finding this first phase at CAFC fairly simple because he has trodden the path before and had worked with Riga before.
The big question is what happens over the summer and I can wait for that so no more posts from me!
So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants? Thankfully none if you run our football club!
Yes. I absolutely do
Ok, you give Yann £15,000 a week, throw in some better deals for Morrow, Ben etc and we still go down. You have a lot of big earners in League One, but that's ok cos Roland is loaded.
Why throw in better deals for anyone else?
Do you not think that if the club gave Yann what he wanted, all the other better players wouldn't of been knocking in Roland's door ?
There isn't exactly a long list, though, and what exactly would the objection have been to signing them? Possibly that they are going to be released this summer regardless of whether we stay up in order that the squad can be stuffed with more of RD's nonsense signings.
What sits underneath all this is that the mismanagement of the previous pair had put certain players - and Kermorgant in particular - in a powerful bargaining position. Doubtless Yann's agent encouraged him to exploit that, but his position was a strong one regardless as events have demonstrated. RD's response was to pretend that it wasn't - and to believe instead that the ragbag of rubbish he sent over was capable of meeting the challenge instead.
We are now reaping the consequences of the fact he either didn't understand what he was doing or he didn't care.
So Airman you claim you don't have an anti Duchatelet agenda and yet anyone reading this from page four of this thread might think differently? In the final analysis it looks like the "ragbag of rubbish" has been good enough to give us a fighting chance of staying up. I think we all look forward to the next batch of "RD's nonsense signings" and to see who is retained. Unlike you I think many of us can wait until they are named and then play before applying any judgement. And my favourite is where you give the reader a choice that Duchatelet either didn't know or didn't care what he was doing. Everything I hear and see suggests the contrary position in that he knows and he cares. Unlike your good self Duchatelet has spent the last four years running a top Belgian club which is currently challenging for a champions league slot. Therefore my instinct is to trust his judgement rather than yours. Not saying he won't make mistakes and also some decisions won't get the fans approval, but I think it unreasonable to suggest negligence everytime something goes wrong.
I will leave Airman to correct your presentation of his so-called agenda. Suffice to say, that's not my take on his viewpoint.
However can I point out to you the following
1. RD bought Standard in June 2011. Thats 2 years and 9 months. You may be confusing them with STVV, whose success has been rather more elusive
2. The success Standard has achieved this season is not down to a 'network' strategy. That is brand new, and has not been material in boosting the Standard squad.
3. Notwithstanding this success, he has not yet won over a large proportion of Standard fans
The point is, simply, that the jury is out. If there is a reasonable conclusion from this fractious thread, it is that. But like any jury, it's important to present them with basic facts in a "precise" way, a word you have often thrown at me when disagreeing with my viewpoint.
Prague there was no "presentation" as I simply played back Airman's post word for word - it is entirely up to the reader what they make of it. So Duchatelet has owned Liege for nearly 3 years and the parallels in the first few months are there for anyone who cares to take a look: 1) sell a couple of players 2) sack popular manager and bring in Riga 3) emphasis on youth And in the case of Liege they recruited Batshuayi on 1st July 2011 who is now rated at £7-10m Granted this is nothing to do with the network and is all about Duchatelet's track record.
My guess is that at any given time we are unlikely to have more than 20% of the squad originating from the network and so I propose that we don't let the tail wag the dog. Part of the issue for sure but player retention of tried and tested professionals far higher on a list of priorities.
The irony is that you and others work with people and comms in the real world and I work with process and data...and yet I am the one saying look at Duchatelet the leader through his actions and track recordo at Liege over the last three years and look at their current squad to ascertain a likely path. And that is why I applauded the Trust initiative to do just that.
As for popularity with fans I think that's irrelevant! Success on the pitch and with the finances will win more fans over. If Duchatelet wanted to buy goodwill he would have put down a £2-3m warchest on Chris Powell's desk when he arrived.
But instead he wants to earn it through better results and better football. My perception is that Duchatelet is finding this first phase at CAFC fairly simple because he has trodden the path before and had worked with Riga before.
The big question is what happens over the summer and I can wait for that so no more posts from me!
Perhaps you should reflect on why you are fed information and consider whether it's because your advice and expertise is considered valuable by those responsible or if they are simply using you as a convenient stooge?
If you stopped to listen to others for a change, you'd find that there is a significant constituency among supporters that doesn't share your optimism - the vast majority of whom have never worked for the club, been on the board or have any conceivable agenda. They are worried about their club, and not motivated by anything else.
Both sides of the argument are fully reflected in the new VOTV out this weekend, which will demonstrate exactly how much of an "agenda" I have towards RD, but the more critical views come from supporters you've never met and whose credentials you can't begin to challenge.
So if a player tries to hold the club to ransom and says I will be injured if my contract extension is triggered you think it would be ok to cave in and give him what he wants? Thankfully none if you run our football club!
Yes. I absolutely do
Ok, you give Yann £15,000 a week, throw in some better deals for Morrow, Ben etc and we still go down. You have a lot of big earners in League One, but that's ok cos Roland is loaded.
Why throw in better deals for anyone else?
Do you not think that if the club gave Yann what he wanted, all the other better players wouldn't of been knocking in Roland's door ?
There isn't exactly a long list, though, and what exactly would the objection have been to signing them? Possibly that they are going to be released this summer regardless of whether we stay up in order that the squad can be stuffed with more of RD's nonsense signings.
What sits underneath all this is that the mismanagement of the previous pair had put certain players - and Kermorgant in particular - in a powerful bargaining position. Doubtless Yann's agent encouraged him to exploit that, but his position was a strong one regardless as events have demonstrated. RD's response was to pretend that it wasn't - and to believe instead that the ragbag of rubbish he sent over was capable of meeting the challenge instead.
We are now reaping the consequences of the fact he either didn't understand what he was doing or he didn't care.
So Airman you claim you don't have an anti Duchatelet agenda and yet anyone reading this from page four of this thread might think differently? In the final analysis it looks like the "ragbag of rubbish" has been good enough to give us a fighting chance of staying up. I think we all look forward to the next batch of "RD's nonsense signings" and to see who is retained. Unlike you I think many of us can wait until they are named and then play before applying any judgement. And my favourite is where you give the reader a choice that Duchatelet either didn't know or didn't care what he was doing. Everything I hear and see suggests the contrary position in that he knows and he cares. Unlike your good self Duchatelet has spent the last four years running a top Belgian club which is currently challenging for a champions league slot. Therefore my instinct is to trust his judgement rather than yours. Not saying he won't make mistakes and also some decisions won't get the fans approval, but I think it unreasonable to suggest negligence everytime something goes wrong.
I will leave Airman to correct your presentation of his so-called agenda. Suffice to say, that's not my take on his viewpoint.
However can I point out to you the following
1. RD bought Standard in June 2011. Thats 2 years and 9 months. You may be confusing them with STVV, whose success has been rather more elusive
2. The success Standard has achieved this season is not down to a 'network' strategy. That is brand new, and has not been material in boosting the Standard squad.
3. Notwithstanding this success, he has not yet won over a large proportion of Standard fans
The point is, simply, that the jury is out. If there is a reasonable conclusion from this fractious thread, it is that. But like any jury, it's important to present them with basic facts in a "precise" way, a word you have often thrown at me when disagreeing with my viewpoint.
Prague there was no "presentation" as I simply played back Airman's post word for word - it is entirely up to the reader what they make of it. So Duchatelet has owned Liege for nearly 3 years and the parallels in the first few months are there for anyone who cares to take a look: 1) sell a couple of players 2) sack popular manager and bring in Riga 3) emphasis on youth And in the case of Liege they recruited Batshuayi on 1st July 2011 who is now rated at £7-10m Granted this is nothing to do with the network and is all about Duchatelet's track record.
My guess is that at any given time we are unlikely to have more than 20% of the squad originating from the network and so I propose that we don't let the tail wag the dog. Part of the issue for sure but player retention of tried and tested professionals far higher on a list of priorities.
The irony is that you and others work with people and comms in the real world and I work with process and data...and yet I am the one saying look at Duchatelet the leader through his actions and track recordo at Liege over the last three years and look at their current squad to ascertain a likely path. And that is why I applauded the Trust initiative to do just that.
As for popularity with fans I think that's irrelevant! Success on the pitch and with the finances will win more fans over. If Duchatelet wanted to buy goodwill he would have put down a £2-3m warchest on Chris Powell's desk when he arrived.
But instead he wants to earn it through better results and better football. My perception is that Duchatelet is finding this first phase at CAFC fairly simple because he has trodden the path before and had worked with Riga before.
The big question is what happens over the summer and I can wait for that so no more posts from me!
Perhaps you should reflect on why you are fed information and consider whether it's because your advice and expertise is considered valuable by those responsible or if they are simply using you as a convenient stooge?
If you stopped to listen to others for a change, you'd find that there is a significant constituency among supporters that doesn't share your optimism - the vast majority of whom have never worked for the club, been on the board or have any conceivable agenda. They are worried about their club, and not motivated by anything else.
Both sides of the argument are fully reflected in the new VOTV out this weekend, which will demonstrate exactly how much of an "agenda" I have towards RD, but the more critical views come from supporters you've never met and whose credentials you can't begin to challenge.
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I also find it amazing that Sean Bean knew CP was a deadman walking yet none of the players did.
And i won't say on here how I know but loads on here do know what was said.
My point, however, is that the idea the national press and supporters who have heard what went on are somehow anti-RD propagandists with an agenda whereas the likes of Seriously Red is an impartial and objective commentator and the club strictly tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, is laughable, whatever the facts about YK.
In the final analysis it looks like the "ragbag of rubbish" has been good enough to give us a fighting chance of staying up.
I think we all look forward to the next batch of "RD's nonsense signings" and to see who is retained. Unlike you I think many of us can wait until they are named and then play before applying any judgement.
And my favourite is where you give the reader a choice that Duchatelet either didn't know or didn't care what he was doing.
Everything I hear and see suggests the contrary position in that he knows and he cares. Unlike your good self Duchatelet has spent the last four years running a top Belgian club which is currently challenging for a champions league slot. Therefore my instinct is to trust his judgement rather than yours. Not saying he won't make mistakes and also some decisions won't get the fans approval, but I think it unreasonable to suggest negligence everytime something goes wrong.
However can I point out to you the following
1. RD bought Standard in June 2011. Thats 2 years and 9 months. You may be confusing them with STVV, whose success has been rather more elusive
2. The success Standard has achieved this season is not down to a 'network' strategy. That is brand new, and has not been material in boosting the Standard squad.
3. Notwithstanding this success, he has not yet won over a large proportion of Standard fans
The point is, simply, that the jury is out. If there is a reasonable conclusion from this fractious thread, it is that. But like any jury, it's important to present them with basic facts in a "precise" way, a word you have often thrown at me when disagreeing with my viewpoint.
However it turns out, the next year or two will not be dull.
Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you, woh-oh
Money talks, money talks
Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you, woh-oh
So Airman you claim you don't have an anti Duchatelet agenda and yet anyone reading this from page four of this thread might think differently?
In the final analysis it looks like the "ragbag of rubbish" has been good enough to give us a fighting chance of staying up.
I think we all look forward to the next batch of "RD's nonsense signings" and to see who is retained. Unlike you I think many of us can wait until they are named and then play before applying any judgement.
Speak for yourself. Based on what he's sent so far - no thanks
Nego, Pete, Reza, Thuram = Not good enough for the Championship at the moment.
AA = Good enough, but not fit enough to play 90 minutes.
Reza good enough. not the type of player for this team at the moment in the current set up though. got so easily be on 5 goals by now. he gets on the ball in games and doesnt hide.
the rest seem pony i agree
what about Obika though? RD brought him in so should be included also. he is good enough for the champ.
im sitting on the fence and getting splinters in my harris. if we go down RD is a caant and if we stay up he is the messiah. no middle ground.
So Duchatelet has owned Liege for nearly 3 years and the parallels in the first few months are there for anyone who cares to take a look:
1) sell a couple of players
2) sack popular manager and bring in Riga
3) emphasis on youth
And in the case of Liege they recruited Batshuayi on 1st July 2011 who is now rated at £7-10m
Granted this is nothing to do with the network and is all about Duchatelet's track record.
My guess is that at any given time we are unlikely to have more than 20% of the squad originating from the network and so I propose that we don't let the tail wag the dog. Part of the issue for sure but player retention of tried and tested professionals far higher on a list of priorities.
The irony is that you and others work with people and comms in the real world and I work with process and data...and yet I am the one saying look at Duchatelet the leader through his actions and track recordo at Liege over the last three years and look at their current squad to ascertain a likely path. And that is why I applauded the Trust initiative to do just that.
As for popularity with fans I think that's irrelevant! Success on the pitch and with the finances will win more fans over. If Duchatelet wanted to buy goodwill he would have put down a £2-3m warchest on Chris Powell's desk when he arrived.
But instead he wants to earn it through better results and better football. My perception is that Duchatelet is finding this first phase at CAFC fairly simple because he has trodden the path before and had worked with Riga before.
The big question is what happens over the summer and I can wait for that so no more posts from me!
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If you stopped to listen to others for a change, you'd find that there is a significant constituency among supporters that doesn't share your optimism - the vast majority of whom have never worked for the club, been on the board or have any conceivable agenda. They are worried about their club, and not motivated by anything else.
Both sides of the argument are fully reflected in the new VOTV out this weekend, which will demonstrate exactly how much of an "agenda" I have towards RD, but the more critical views come from supporters you've never met and whose credentials you can't begin to challenge.
Cant we all just be friends? Group Hug. C'mon you know you want to.