A number pf players didn't play well yesterday. Bit unfair to pick on Reza. Solly, Morrison Dervite Cousins didn't do themselves justice. But they didnt come from the network.
Were you watching the same game? Dervite our MOM for me
Its all about opinions old boy. Well I went to the Valley yesterday so yes I was watching the same game. Rhodes and Gestade had Dervite and Morrison on toast. MOM was Sordell by a country mile. Were you watching the same game?
I don't quite get all the "he's gone, get over it" stuff - surely this is a Charlton forum and therefore it's legitimate to discuss Charlton players past, particularly one who left this season in a position we're desperately poor in.
It's a bit like saying why bother with a post match views thread, that games over, get over it.
KMG at Bournemouth shows that you need 2 decent strikers playing together in this division. WIth 1 decent striker it is possible for an opposing defence to mark them out of the game. With 2 decent strikers it can be really effective. Thats why KMG was not scoring a hatful of goal at Charlton. Only 1 decent striker.
Rhodes would not have scored such a lot of goals without the back up of a decent striker such as Gestede.
The answer in Jan for Charlton was to add another decent striker to the one we had. We got rid of the only decent striker we had. Thats why Charlton are struggling. If this is not remedied in the close season before next season start, Charlton will struggle next year again. Who knows whether there will be sufficient investment on the playing side to resolve it.
I doubt anyone disagrees with you which is why this thread is so daft
Lets hope that Roland and Katrien acknowledge and agree with it as well (that Charlton requiree 2 decent srikers to be competitve).
We are moving to Selhurst Park because we can't play at The Valley anymore - get over it.
How can you liken the departure of one nearly out of contract player with this is beyond me.
Totally irrelevant statement.
I'm simply provoking thought that one grave error in our history has been corrected in due course, yet for many it still rankles in the memory....i.e. the way we were told about the move and the reason for it.
We are back home now, but our departure from SE7 still serves as a reminder not to be too complacent. Some other teams refer to us as "nomads" or "homeless" etc, which is a tag we will probably never shake off.
So hopefully you will see that a glib statement like "get over it" will never really make anyone....er...... get over it, hence my post is 100% relevant.
#smileyfacethingthattellsyouimnotrucking
You're the one that needs to 'get over' something that happened almost thirty years ago and try to bring it into modern day relevance.
I haven't heard to us referred to as homeless or nomadic for over 20 years.
You do know we're talking about the sale of Yann Kermorgant, not Robert Lee?
Seeing him knock in them two and the impudent chip show what a quality player he is and one that would only have bettered our team for a couple of seasons But RD didn't wanna push/rock the boat out for prolly the only footballer worth watching we've had in a number of years and he decided to spend his euros elsewhere Whether we stay up or not he'll have to make a miracle signing to make up for the fuck up that was made allowing the genius of Kermo to leave the building
Seeing him knock in them two and the impudent chip show what a quality player he is and one that would only have bettered our team for a couple of seasons But RD didn't wanna push/rock the boat out for prolly the only footballer worth watching we've had in a number of years and he decided to spend his euros elsewhere Whether we stay up or not he'll have to make a miracle signing to make up for the fuck up that was made allowing the genius of Kermo to leave the building
Kermorgant is very much replaceable. And believe he will be replaced adequately in the summer
Seeing him knock in them two and the impudent chip show what a quality player he is and one that would only have bettered our team for a couple of seasons But RD didn't wanna push/rock the boat out for prolly the only footballer worth watching we've had in a number of years and he decided to spend his euros elsewhere Whether we stay up or not he'll have to make a miracle signing to make up for the fuck up that was made allowing the genius of Kermo to leave the building
Kermorgant is very much replaceable. And believe he will be replaced adequately in the summer
Hope you are right, but I've heard we will continue to have one of the lowest budgets in the Championship if we are in it, which I think we will be thankfully. Next season will be about bringing young players through which is all well and good when they step up like Poyet and Cousins but as we all now there is a lot of risk. Personally I am expecting more of the same next year, but what Burnley did this year will always give me hope.
Seeing him knock in them two and the impudent chip show what a quality player he is and one that would only have bettered our team for a couple of seasons But RD didn't wanna push/rock the boat out for prolly the only footballer worth watching we've had in a number of years and he decided to spend his euros elsewhere Whether we stay up or not he'll have to make a miracle signing to make up for the fuck up that was made allowing the genius of Kermo to leave the building
Kermorgant is very much replaceable. And believe he will be replaced adequately in the summer
No one is saying he isn't replaceable just that importantly he hasn't been.
Seeing him knock in them two and the impudent chip show what a quality player he is and one that would only have bettered our team for a couple of seasons But RD didn't wanna push/rock the boat out for prolly the only footballer worth watching we've had in a number of years and he decided to spend his euros elsewhere Whether we stay up or not he'll have to make a miracle signing to make up for the fuck up that was made allowing the genius of Kermo to leave the building
Kermorgant is very much replaceable. And believe he will be replaced adequately in the summer
No one is saying he isn't replaceable just that importantly he hasn't been.
Seeing him knock in them two and the impudent chip show what a quality player he is and one that would only have bettered our team for a couple of seasons But RD didn't wanna push/rock the boat out for prolly the only footballer worth watching we've had in a number of years and he decided to spend his euros elsewhere Whether we stay up or not he'll have to make a miracle signing to make up for the fuck up that was made allowing the genius of Kermo to leave the building
Kermorgant is very much replaceable. And believe he will be replaced adequately in the summer
Hope you are right, but I've heard we will continue to have one of the lowest budgets in the Championship if we are in it, which I think we will be thankfully. Next season will be about bringing young players through which is all well and good when they step up like Poyet and Cousins but as we all now there is a lot of risk. Personally I am expecting more of the same next year, but what Burnley did this year will always give me hope.
Really? I've heard the complete opposite and am hoping what I've heard will be true. Let's hope for an interesting summer for all the right reasons
Seeing him knock in them two and the impudent chip show what a quality player he is and one that would only have bettered our team for a couple of seasons But RD didn't wanna push/rock the boat out for prolly the only footballer worth watching we've had in a number of years and he decided to spend his euros elsewhere Whether we stay up or not he'll have to make a miracle signing to make up for the fuck up that was made allowing the genius of Kermo to leave the building
Kermorgant is very much replaceable. And believe he will be replaced adequately in the summer
Hope you are right, but I've heard we will continue to have one of the lowest budgets in the Championship if we are in it, which I think we will be thankfully. Next season will be about bringing young players through which is all well and good when they step up like Poyet and Cousins but as we all now there is a lot of risk. Personally I am expecting more of the same next year, but what Burnley did this year will always give me hope.
'I've heard' - from whom?
Trying to sign SWP, Eagles, Gradel doesn't signal a team cutting back its budget.
Hasn't KM cited as part of the reason that the club do not want the fans meeting yet, that they would like to be judged by their actions in the summer. That indicates they are planning to be positive. Mind you the best laid plans .....
He scored 5 goals for us this season.. Let's not pretend he was some sort of world beater. He's just got better players around him at Bournemouth
Yeah, you are right. I've just seen Reza for the first time. He's a feckin world beater, isn't he? But hey, we spent the money on Polish Pete, he's one for the future, you see...
Did I say he was? I've said all along we didn't replace him properly.
But good on you for judging a player on one game
I've seen Reza for most of his games. Shocking player.
I am lucky when I do go, to sit with somebody who is an excellent reader of the game and whose assessments of Charlton players over the last 30 years has been as accurate as anyone I know. When Reza came on I turned and asked him for his assessment. After looking me in the eye for a second he answered
"He's useless"
And for the next 20 minutes, I saw exactly why.
A while ago (probably a couple of seasons now) we had the rare treat of some half-time entertainment when a professional ball juggler took to the pitch to show off his keepie-uppie skills. He had absolutely fantastic control of ball and could do all sorts of tricks. It set me wondering why this bloke was pursuing a career as a circus act rather than as a professional footballer. The only answer I could come up with is that whilst he's got fantastic skills when acting in isolation, he probably can't do it when some big chunky northerner is bearing down on him with murder in his eyes and malice in his heart.
This is how I feel about Reza. I certainly wouldn't say he's useless, he's clearly got something going for him. You only have to see a grainy posting of his Leeds goal to see that. The trouble is that that something rarely comes out in the cut and thrust of a Championship match. The bottom-line for me is that he's too much of a lightweight.
Seeing him knock in them two and the impudent chip show what a quality player he is and one that would only have bettered our team for a couple of seasons But RD didn't wanna push/rock the boat out for prolly the only footballer worth watching we've had in a number of years and he decided to spend his euros elsewhere Whether we stay up or not he'll have to make a miracle signing to make up for the fuck up that was made allowing the genius of Kermo to leave the building
Kermorgant is very much replaceable. And believe he will be replaced adequately in the summer
Hope you are right, but I've heard we will continue to have one of the lowest budgets in the Championship if we are in it, which I think we will be thankfully. Next season will be about bringing young players through which is all well and good when they step up like Poyet and Cousins but as we all now there is a lot of risk. Personally I am expecting more of the same next year, but what Burnley did this year will always give me hope.
I have compiled the 2012/13 financed of Championship clubs here and one of the final graphs quite clearly shows that if a club spends £30M there is no grarantee of finishing in the top six. But if a club spends £17M or less on players and operating costs then it was either relegated last season or is in the relegation mix this time: castrust.org/2014/04/review-championship-finances-2013/ Peterborough, Barnsley, Millwall, Blackpool and ourselves are all struggling.
On the other hand, clubs like Derby, Burnley, Palace, Watford spending £20-22M has given then the chance to compete with the clubs spending £30M+.
Right now there is no way of telling who will stay, who will be brought in and how quickly more academy players will make the first team. And whether they will make a real impact. I really hope they get it right over the summer.
Seeing him knock in them two and the impudent chip show what a quality player he is and one that would only have bettered our team for a couple of seasons But RD didn't wanna push/rock the boat out for prolly the only footballer worth watching we've had in a number of years and he decided to spend his euros elsewhere Whether we stay up or not he'll have to make a miracle signing to make up for the fuck up that was made allowing the genius of Kermo to leave the building
Kermorgant is very much replaceable. And believe he will be replaced adequately in the summer
Hope you are right, but I've heard we will continue to have one of the lowest budgets in the Championship if we are in it, which I think we will be thankfully. Next season will be about bringing young players through which is all well and good when they step up like Poyet and Cousins but as we all now there is a lot of risk. Personally I am expecting more of the same next year, but what Burnley did this year will always give me hope.
I have compiled the 2012/13 financed of Championship clubs here and one of the final graphs quite clearly shows that if a club spends £30M there is no grarantee of finishing in the top six. But if a club spends £17M or less on players and operating costs then it was either relegated last season or is in the relegation mix this time: castrust.org/2014/04/review-championship-finances-2013/ Peterborough, Barnsley, Millwall, Blackpool and ourselves are all struggling.
On the other hand, clubs like Derby, Burnley, Palace, Watford spending £20-22M has given then the chance to compete with the clubs spending £30M+.
Right now there is no way of telling who will stay, who will be brought in and how quickly more academy players will make the first team. And whether they will make a real impact. I really hope they get it right over the summer.
Not sure Palace should be included as they didn't actually bother to pay what they 'spent'.
We are moving to Selhurst Park because we can't play at The Valley anymore - get over it.
How can you liken the departure of one nearly out of contract player with this is beyond me.
Totally irrelevant statement.
I'm simply provoking thought that one grave error in our history has been corrected in due course, yet for many it still rankles in the memory....i.e. the way we were told about the move and the reason for it.
We are back home now, but our departure from SE7 still serves as a reminder not to be too complacent. Some other teams refer to us as "nomads" or "homeless" etc, which is a tag we will probably never shake off.
So hopefully you will see that a glib statement like "get over it" will never really make anyone....er...... get over it, hence my post is 100% relevant.
#smileyfacethingthattellsyouimnotrucking
You're the one that needs to 'get over' something that happened almost thirty years ago and try to bring it into modern day relevance.
I haven't heard to us referred to as homeless or nomadic for over 20 years.
You do know we're talking about the sale of Yann Kermorgant, not Robert Lee?
The persuasiveness of your argument has totally changed my opinion, and the sale of both Lee and Kermorgant was excellent decision making at top level. I have also realised that I have been hearing voices in my head and imagining conversations with other football supporters. Thanks for putting me back on track.
Seeing him knock in them two and the impudent chip show what a quality player he is and one that would only have bettered our team for a couple of seasons But RD didn't wanna push/rock the boat out for prolly the only footballer worth watching we've had in a number of years and he decided to spend his euros elsewhere Whether we stay up or not he'll have to make a miracle signing to make up for the fuck up that was made allowing the genius of Kermo to leave the building
Kermorgant is very much replaceable. And believe he will be replaced adequately in the summer
Hope you are right, but I've heard we will continue to have one of the lowest budgets in the Championship if we are in it, which I think we will be thankfully. Next season will be about bringing young players through which is all well and good when they step up like Poyet and Cousins but as we all now there is a lot of risk. Personally I am expecting more of the same next year, but what Burnley did this year will always give me hope.
'I've heard' - from whom?
Trying to sign SWP, Eagles, Gradel doesn't signal a team cutting back its budget.
Like I'm going to say that on here, has anyone ever said on here who tells them something. By the way did any of those "high profile" players arrive.....? I truly hope there is an influx of quality, at the moment we're not even re-signing decent players currently in our first team.
And I didn't say they were cutting it back, just that it wouldn't be much different. We may get some out of contract gems, but I doubt we'll be splashing out large transfer fees.
Burnley didn't just get lucky this season. They've been building that team for years. Eddie Howe laid the attacking foundations and Dyche has added a sound defensive base and some much needed physicality to their game. They've also spent the parachute and Austin money very well too.
Seeing him knock in them two and the impudent chip show what a quality player he is and one that would only have bettered our team for a couple of seasons But RD didn't wanna push/rock the boat out for prolly the only footballer worth watching we've had in a number of years and he decided to spend his euros elsewhere Whether we stay up or not he'll have to make a miracle signing to make up for the fuck up that was made allowing the genius of Kermo to leave the building
Kermorgant is very much replaceable. And believe he will be replaced adequately in the summer
Hope you are right, but I've heard we will continue to have one of the lowest budgets in the Championship if we are in it, which I think we will be thankfully. Next season will be about bringing young players through which is all well and good when they step up like Poyet and Cousins but as we all now there is a lot of risk. Personally I am expecting more of the same next year, but what Burnley did this year will always give me hope.
'I've heard' - from whom?
Trying to sign SWP, Eagles, Gradel doesn't signal a team cutting back its budget.
Like I'm going to say that on here, has anyone ever said on here who tells them something. By the way did any of those "high profile" players arrive.....? I truly hope there is an influx of quality, at the moment we're not even re-signing decent players currently in our first team.
And I didn't say they were cutting it back, just that it wouldn't be much different. We may get some out of contract gems, but I doubt we'll be splashing out large transfer fees.
You can add Connor Wickham, Leon Best and Johnny Williams to that list. All 3 deals agreed with the clubs but turned down by the players. None of those would have been cheap.
He scored 5 goals for us this season.. Let's not pretend he was some sort of world beater. He's just got better players around him at Bournemouth
Yeah, you are right. I've just seen Reza for the first time. He's a feckin world beater, isn't he? But hey, we spent the money on Polish Pete, he's one for the future, you see...
Did I say he was? I've said all along we didn't replace him properly.
But good on you for judging a player on one game
I've seen Reza for most of his games. Shocking player.
I am lucky when I do go, to sit with somebody who is an excellent reader of the game and whose assessments of Charlton players over the last 30 years has been as accurate as anyone I know. When Reza came on I turned and asked him for his assessment. After looking me in the eye for a second he answered
@Clem_Snide Not sure what your point is. We had to replace YK and DS with short term loans. No doubt they wouldn't have been cheap, but they were coming in on loan for 3 months and we still ended up getting Obika, Petrucci and Tudgay, doubt over 3 months we are talking massive differences to the budget. Again 6 quality players have been mentioned on here, didn't see any of them arrive.
@Clem_Snide Not sure what your point is. We had to replace YK and DS with short term loans. No doubt they wouldn't have been cheap, but they were coming in on loan for 3 months and we still ended up getting Obika, Petrucci and Tudgay, doubt over 3 months we are talking massive differences to the budget. Again 6 quality players have been mentioned on here, didn't see any of them arrive.
You said that you had heard we would be running on a small budget again next season. My point is that we did deals for Wickham, Best and Williams. In the case of Wickham and Best apparently covering 100% of their wages. That to me does not suggest that we are going to be run on a small budget - both of these are probably 20k+ a week men. I have as have others, have been told that if we stay up there will be significant investment in the playing side, as well as the pitch getting sorted.
KM has stated that the board would like to be judged on what happens in the summer. I'm quite happy to do that.
@Clem_Snide Not sure what your point is. We had to replace YK and DS with short term loans. No doubt they wouldn't have been cheap, but they were coming in on loan for 3 months and we still ended up getting Obika, Petrucci and Tudgay, doubt over 3 months we are talking massive differences to the budget. Again 6 quality players have been mentioned on here, didn't see any of them arrive.
You said that you had heard we would be running on a small budget again next season. My point is that we did deals for Wickham, Best and Williams. In the case of Wickham and Best apparently covering 100% of their wages. That to me does not suggest that we are going to be run on a small budget - both of these are probably 20k+ a week men. I have as have others, have been told that if we stay up there will be significant investment in the playing side, as well as the pitch getting sorted.
KM has stated that the board would like to be judged on what happens in the summer. I'm quite happy to do that.
Fair enough Clem, I'm happy to judge them on that too, I don't think I've ever had any info, as in "I've heard this, blah, blah" before, but thought I'd share this about the budget not being drastically different next season. Either way come August I'll be full of hope.
Personally think rd will spend some money in the summer but stay up or go down we have still fcked up selling yann in January when we had and still have shit up front.
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MOM was Sordell by a country mile.
Were you watching the same game?
It's a bit like saying why bother with a post match views thread, that games over, get over it.
I haven't heard to us referred to as homeless or nomadic for over 20 years.
You do know we're talking about the sale of Yann Kermorgant, not Robert Lee?
But RD didn't wanna push/rock the boat out for prolly the only footballer worth watching we've had in a number of years and he decided to spend his euros elsewhere
Whether we stay up or not he'll have to make a miracle signing to make up for the fuck up that was made allowing the genius of Kermo to leave the building
Trying to sign SWP, Eagles, Gradel doesn't signal a team cutting back its budget.
This is how I feel about Reza. I certainly wouldn't say he's useless, he's clearly got something going for him. You only have to see a grainy posting of his Leeds goal to see that. The trouble is that that something rarely comes out in the cut and thrust of a Championship match. The bottom-line for me is that he's too much of a lightweight.
castrust.org/2014/04/review-championship-finances-2013/
Peterborough, Barnsley, Millwall, Blackpool and ourselves are all struggling.
On the other hand, clubs like Derby, Burnley, Palace, Watford spending £20-22M has given then the chance to compete with the clubs spending £30M+.
Right now there is no way of telling who will stay, who will be brought in and how quickly more academy players will make the first team. And whether they will make a real impact. I really hope they get it right over the summer.
#Whoosh
And I didn't say they were cutting it back, just that it wouldn't be much different. We may get some out of contract gems, but I doubt we'll be splashing out large transfer fees.
KM has stated that the board would like to be judged on what happens in the summer. I'm quite happy to do that.
"KM has stated that the board would like to be judged on what happens in the summer. I'm quite happy to do that."
If we end up getting relegated, then I'll bloodywell judge them on that!
He scored 29 in total for Charlton over 2 and a half years.
Fair to say Bournemouth are using him decently.
Theres a link between "Powell out" brigade, and the "Get over Kermorgant" crew.