Yeah it was several first team players fuming with yann
Ah, so another factor in this "who's to blame for The Beast's departure ?" saga could be that RD was aware that Yann was a disruptive influence in the camp ?
Haven't we done Kermy to death now? I was sorry to see him go at the time, I couldn't understand it, but he has gone.
I think it's only natural for it to remain an issue whilst our inability to score continues to pose a threat to our survival and a bloke we sold for a few hundred grand has a better than 1 in 2 ratio.
I got this very wrong, I loved him when here but was quite vocal in telling people to move on yada yada, now I can see what an asset we lost cheaply and how pivotal to survival he would be now with us. Hands up I couldn't see what a difference he made to us and his goals to game ratio when given service (would he get that with us?) shows what knob I was when he first left.
Yeah it was several first team players fuming with yann
Ah, so another factor in this "who's to blame for The Beast's departure ?" saga could be that RD was aware that Yann was a disruptive influence in the camp ?
Interesting snippet, nla !
"interesting snippet" is one way to describe that post.
I must have missed that "disruptive influence" when I watched him leading us to victory against Brighton a couple of weeks earlier
Yeah, the rest of the squad proper hated him. Explains all those handshakes and hugs in the tunnel and on the touchline when he came back with Bournemouth. Oh wait...
Sorry NLA, I got lost with the second half of that post. Not sure if this is what you're saying (apologies if it isn't) but one thing that's for absolute certain is that Duchatelet DID NOT sell Yann because of any supposed feigning of injury. It was because he felt it was the right business decision to take.
I've been told information that is contrary to your version of events, which is why I've found them hard to accept. However, I wasn't there at the time, so really, I don't know for a fact. Perhaps you are right.
It seems we're never going to agree on this one.
But one thing I will say; it would be utterly inconsistent with everything I know about Chris Powell if he were to defend and fight for the signature of someone who had let him down and betrayed the club. Yet I know that Powell fought to the bitter end to keep him. He categorically did not want him to leave, and was utterly deflated when he did so. Now, if Yann's behaviour was so heinous, would Powell have reacted so kindly? I find that quite hard to believe.
Not read thread since page 3 but can't believe we are still banging on about this. If Yann loved it here so much and loved the club so much he'd still be here. He isn't. Says it all for me.
Not read thread since page 3 but can't believe we are still banging on about this. If Yann loved it here so much and loved the club so much he'd still be here. He isn't. Says it all for me.
Not read thread since page 3 but can't believe we are still banging on about this. If Yann loved it here so much and loved the club so much he'd still be here. He isn't. Says it all for me.
agreed , fuck doing whats best for his family
He was settled in the area and we still offered about 10-12k a week. Not like we were offering him next to nothing and he was forced to move.
Bournemouth would rather shell out silly money (which would mean Yann was on 2x most other players' wages if we matched, would cause disharmony and other players to want wage increases too) so he left.
we thought we'd spend money on Polish Pete instead cos we didn't want instant dividends
I thought the Pete transfer was a mistake too. Would've much preferred 1m (which we offered for Gradel) been spent on a striker in Jan and i'm hoping in the summer this comes to pass.
If Piotr cost £700000 or 700000 euros, whoever paid that has made a massive mistake.I am a pretty good judge of a footballer and Michael Smith, at the moment, is a better player than PP. That is not to say that PP won't improve, but we could have got a good standard Striker with that money, or kept Kermy. PPs ex club must be having a good laugh.
PP is the new Martin Christensen (excepting that he did make a brief cameo for the first team) it wouldn't be Charlton if we didn't have a useless non-playing parasite somewhere on the payroll.
Not read thread since page 3 but can't believe we are still banging on about this. If Yann loved it here so much and loved the club so much he'd still be here. He isn't. Says it all for me.
agreed , fuck doing whats best for his family
He was settled in the area and we still offered about 10-12k a week. Not like we were offering him next to nothing and he was forced to move.
Bournemouth would rather shell out silly money (which would mean Yann was on 2x most other players' wages if we matched, would cause disharmony and other players to want wage increases too) so he left.
If we go down I'm sure RD will acknowledge (not to us fans) he has made a mistake in not signing recognised forwards and will rectify it, if we don't go down I expect the same, I think Yann used us fans to disguise the real reason he left and that don't sit comfortable with me.
At this stage it's probably best to revisit at the end of the season / when we are safe and ask what strategy is in place to bring in decent strikers over the summer - the CAFC brand is damaged by the speculation in the press but results can overcome that and, as I keep stating, Duchatelet has appeared able to recruit players and coaches at Liege. Kermorgant went and I have no problem with HIS strategy and final decision. It would have helped to get replacements in and some are saying play Dervite upfront!
My problem is with people who leverage his departure to attack the club. A bad result vs Barnsley and it's blah blah blah despite the fact that NLA and others have spelt out the January soap opera and that someone in the club has clearly briefed people that Kermorgant was a no show at one of our games.
We have four games and two home games to nail this situation. After that YK and Stephens and probably 10 players are CAFC history... The really big question is what is the ambition for 2014/15
There are a lot of posts here and some very mixed opinions. However, we can all agree on two things: we would have more points with him still in the team and we could have done more to keep him.
I'm a big fan of him but objectively that's what it comes down to. Short and long term it was a mistake. I could add more about Duchatelet, contracts, etc but in this case it has been done over and over and will be until if we stay up.
Your right it was because it was the right business decision
Now the right business decision based on several factors most of which 99.9% of football fans don't care about as long as we get the right player in which it seems we have not
This decision was not about what money we would receive for yann as the deciding factor
We already knew what we were getting from Bournemouth in terms of transfer
So offering yann any sort of deal near what we did could've resulted in yann staying
Yes the money deal for yann was ok based on age and goals scored
But not good enough for the influence he had and importance of player to our team
But there is no price you can attribute to having someone challenge the owner of a club in negs in the manor yann did (and anyone who thinks yann didnt refuse to play due to suggesting he was injured is wrong )
This is not acceptable from any player and sets a totally unacceptable precident if allowed to pass un challenged
NSS is bang on the money and I am really surprised at the amount of people willing to look past that point of view has football really become such an entity that a player leaving can bring such apathy towards certain actions
No one wants to go down I would say all of wanted yann to stay
The fact JJ has backed up his commitment to us by signing the new deal on similar wages shows someone who really does care for our club and that means you the fan and is one player who no matter what I think of some of his performances will always get a bit of slack because he never ever showed us disrespect and has been more influential than yann and as important a goal scorer
With regards to Powell I think it sums him up perfectly as someone who was loyal to his players and willing to forgive someone who made a mistake in their approach
Just because RD didnt buy the same response from yann and would ultimately I believe have expected yann to sign the deal on the table if genuinely remorseful for his approach as it was not a shit offer no where near in fact very competitive and one of the best at the club if not the best
If we are going to keep having the we should never have sold yann comments and RD has screwed us by doing so then put both sides there let people chose what they want to believe
And I believe that what I have been told and the way the whole yanngate has transpired is a lot more believable than RD wanted x amount of Ks and sold him regardless of our position and replaced him with nothing decent
even though we were near enough bottom of the league and in shit because he gets x millions off if we go down anyway
Let's see how it ends up who knows but one thing everyone knows is that RD expects a certain respect and loyalty honesty and integrity from his players and if you don't give it then no player is bigger than the club
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Interesting snippet, nla !
Careful dick, we're supposed to discuss it to death. Can see threads in 2021 still bemoaning the French man's departure.
I must have missed that "disruptive influence" when I watched him leading us to victory against Brighton a couple of weeks earlier
And if you go back to the yann thread all 60000 pages of crying you will see I said it then
Certain first team players were not happy with his decision and actions as they found the fa cup very important to them and the club
Yet yanns choice made that tarnished and at risk
I am sure the performance away to donny was a reflection of the unrest and unease of all the players involved two days before and in the hotel
Powell convinced yann to travel and spent the whole time trying to convince him to play
But yeah the players didn't really care I mean why would they
The main Striker the fans favourite
I am sure they wouldn't give a fuck
And of course it's much better to say the players played shit at donny because they were annoyed yann was potentially leaving
But remember it was suggested this was all done behind powells back
So how would the players have known to react that way and put in a shit performance
Now the truth probably lies somewhere between the two
But that won't fit the RD is not good for us view
I've been told information that is contrary to your version of events, which is why I've found them hard to accept. However, I wasn't there at the time, so really, I don't know for a fact. Perhaps you are right.
It seems we're never going to agree on this one.
But one thing I will say; it would be utterly inconsistent with everything I know about Chris Powell if he were to defend and fight for the signature of someone who had let him down and betrayed the club. Yet I know that Powell fought to the bitter end to keep him. He categorically did not want him to leave, and was utterly deflated when he did so. Now, if Yann's behaviour was so heinous, would Powell have reacted so kindly? I find that quite hard to believe.
Says it all for me.
Bournemouth would rather shell out silly money (which would mean Yann was on 2x most other players' wages if we matched, would cause disharmony and other players to want wage increases too) so he left.
we didn't wanna pay his going rate
fair enough
we thought we'd spend money on Polish Pete instead cos we didn't want instant dividends
Kermorgant went and I have no problem with HIS strategy and final decision. It would have helped to get replacements in and some are saying play Dervite upfront!
My problem is with people who leverage his departure to attack the club. A bad result vs Barnsley and it's blah blah blah despite the fact that NLA and others have spelt out the January soap opera and that someone in the club has clearly briefed people that Kermorgant was a no show at one of our games.
We have four games and two home games to nail this situation. After that YK and Stephens and probably 10 players are CAFC history... The really big question is what is the ambition for 2014/15
I'm a big fan of him but objectively that's what it comes down to. Short and long term it was a mistake. I could add more about Duchatelet, contracts, etc but in this case it has been done over and over and will be until if we stay up.
VTB
Your right it was because it was the right business decision
Now the right business decision based on several factors most of which 99.9% of football fans don't care about as long as we get the right player in which it seems we have not
This decision was not about what money we would receive for yann as the deciding factor
We already knew what we were getting from Bournemouth in terms of transfer
So offering yann any sort of deal near what we did could've resulted in yann staying
Yes the money deal for yann was ok based on age and goals scored
But not good enough for the influence he had and importance of player to our team
But there is no price you can attribute to having someone challenge the owner of a club in negs in the manor yann did (and anyone who thinks yann didnt refuse to play due to suggesting he was injured is wrong )
This is not acceptable from any player and sets a totally unacceptable precident if allowed to pass un challenged
NSS is bang on the money and I am really surprised at the amount of people willing to look past that point of view has football really become such an entity that a player leaving can bring such apathy towards certain actions
No one wants to go down I would say all of wanted yann to stay
The fact JJ has backed up his commitment to us by signing the new deal on similar wages shows someone who really does care for our club and that means you the fan and is one player who no matter what I think of some of his performances will always get a bit of slack because he never ever showed us disrespect and has been more influential than yann and as important a goal scorer
With regards to Powell I think it sums him up perfectly as someone who was loyal to his players and willing to forgive someone who made a mistake in their approach
Just because RD didnt buy the same response from yann and would ultimately I believe have expected yann to sign the deal on the table if genuinely remorseful for his approach as it was not a shit offer no where near in fact very competitive and one of the best at the club if not the best
If we are going to keep having the we should never have sold yann comments and RD has screwed us by doing so then put both sides there let people chose what they want to believe
And I believe that what I have been told and the way the whole yanngate has transpired is a lot more believable than RD wanted x amount of Ks and sold him regardless of our position and replaced him with nothing decent
even though we were near enough bottom of the league and in shit because he gets x millions off if we go down anyway
Let's see how it ends up who knows but one thing everyone knows is that RD expects a certain respect and loyalty honesty and integrity from his players and if you don't give it then no player is bigger than the club