Hope he at least gets a few more games to see what he can do with these new players. He's also giving Poyet and Lennon a chance when the safe/easy option would be to play Hughes, Pritchard, Gower, Dervite etc
The 'Powell out' camp will be shitting it when he does go. If the new man isn't a miracle worker, you'll look pretty stupid.
How limp is this post... It's not a tit for tat game. Man up for gods sake - our club is in a deep hole - somebody needs to save it. Points scoring won't do it.
The 'Powell out' camp will be shitting it when he does go. If the new man isn't a miracle worker, you'll look pretty stupid.
How limp is this post... It's not a tit for tat game. Man up for gods sake - our club is in a deep hole - somebody needs to save it. Points scoring won't do it.
I don't think you can say that Scoham as I think he is playing those lads because he has no other choice. Pritchard (as proved today) and Gower simply aren't up to the job, Hughes however is and I don't know why he isn't playing more BUT THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.
Seth - you say we can slate tactical decisions, substitutions and team selection but not to get on Powell's back, but they are all decisions made by him and he is therefore accountable. Are you seriously telling me if you performed as poorly in your job as he has done you would have a good argument not to be let go/put under pressure to walk by the people that judge you? I don't think any of us could even with the poor resources he has. Fact is in life you are the dealt the hand you have and you need to work with what you have got not bitch and moan about it not being fair and say you could do so much more if you were given more.
The 'Powell out' camp will be shitting it when he does go. If the new man isn't a miracle worker, you'll look pretty stupid.
How limp is this post... It's not a tit for tat game. Man up for gods sake - our club is in a deep hole - somebody needs to save it. Points scoring won't do it.
Actually scoring points will save it !!
I realised my wording wasn't great! I meant fans scoring points off each other won't help.
I don't think you can say that Scoham as I think he is playing those lads because he has no other choice. Pritchard (as proved today) and Gower simply aren't up to the job, Hughes however is and I don't know why he isn't playing more BUT THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.
Seth - you say we can slate tactical decisions, substitutions and team selection but not to get on Powell's back, but they are all decisions made by him and he is therefore accountable. Are you seriously telling me if you performed as poorly in your job as he has done you would have a good argument not to be let go/put under pressure to walk by the people that judge you? I don't think any of us could even with the poor resources he has. Fact is in life you are the dealt the hand you have and you need to work with what you have got not bitch and moan about it not being fair and say you could do so much more if you were given more.
If I was a chef told to prepare a Sunday roast, and got slated because the best I could do is serve up a cheese omelette due to the fact I only had eggs and cheddar to work with...and no oven either. Then I would consider the people slating me to be wrong.
I don't think you can say that Scoham as I think he is playing those lads because he has no other choice. Pritchard (as proved today) and Gower simply aren't up to the job, Hughes however is and I don't know why he isn't playing more BUT THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.
Seth - you say we can slate tactical decisions, substitutions and team selection but not to get on Powell's back, but they are all decisions made by him and he is therefore accountable. Are you seriously telling me if you performed as poorly in your job as he has done you would have a good argument not to be let go/put under pressure to walk by the people that judge you? I don't think any of us could even with the poor resources he has. Fact is in life you are the dealt the hand you have and you need to work with what you have got not bitch and moan about it not being fair and say you could do so much more if you were given more.
If I was a chef told to prepare a Sunday roast, and got slated because the best I could do is serve up a cheese omelette due to the fact I only had eggs and cheddar to work with...and no oven either. Then I would consider the people slating me to be wrong.
I don't think you can say that Scoham as I think he is playing those lads because he has no other choice. Pritchard (as proved today) and Gower simply aren't up to the job, Hughes however is and I don't know why he isn't playing more BUT THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.
Seth - you say we can slate tactical decisions, substitutions and team selection but not to get on Powell's back, but they are all decisions made by him and he is therefore accountable. Are you seriously telling me if you performed as poorly in your job as he has done you would have a good argument not to be let go/put under pressure to walk by the people that judge you? I don't think any of us could even with the poor resources he has. Fact is in life you are the dealt the hand you have and you need to work with what you have got not bitch and moan about it not being fair and say you could do so much more if you were given more.
If I was a chef told to prepare a Sunday roast, and got slated because the best I could do is serve up a cheese omelette due to the fact I only had eggs and cheddar to work with...and no oven either. Then I would consider the people slating me to be wrong.
But those eggs, cheddar and no oven (largely) finished in 7th place last year and therefore served up a half decent roast didn't they
The chef is having a bad time in the kitchen this time around and needs to be let go
"wellwickman" A new broom can surely do no worse than the current managerial team who have long since run out of gas.
Of course they could do worse. I'm not denying the fact that a new management team could improve results, but they could also further weaken the dressing room and lead us down.
I think it's a very sad state of affaires to know that our managers will not be building their own teams whilst Roland is in charge. I find it hard to see the positives in that.
Wellwickman You do have a point Rob. A new broom can make things worse. I recall Powell taking over from Parkinson & winning 2 out of 17 games in FL1. Fortunately PP had amassed enough points to ensure FL1 survival. CP is right to state we must stick together & season ticket holders have largely backed him despite one indifferent home performance after another. We should all be praying he can rally his charges for a battle royale next Saturday. It's going to be a long week.
If Powell is pushed away then so be it. I am sorry but no man is bigger than the club, no matter how much we love him or not. Obviously I will be upset because he is a popular figure but at the end of the day it is all about results. If we have a new manager that brings us success then Powell is part of Charlton's history and we can all move on and be happy.
I never think its good when you have a owner with different ideas to what Powell thinks however did Powell really choose those players we signed? I always find it madness when any owner does not trust their manager with all the signings. Football should be left to the manager and the business side of things to the owner but if the manager is not getting the results then his job is on the line.
I don't think you can say that Scoham as I think he is playing those lads because he has no other choice. Pritchard (as proved today) and Gower simply aren't up to the job, Hughes however is and I don't know why he isn't playing more BUT THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.
Seth - you say we can slate tactical decisions, substitutions and team selection but not to get on Powell's back, but they are all decisions made by him and he is therefore accountable. Are you seriously telling me if you performed as poorly in your job as he has done you would have a good argument not to be let go/put under pressure to walk by the people that judge you? I don't think any of us could even with the poor resources he has. Fact is in life you are the dealt the hand you have and you need to work with what you have got not bitch and moan about it not being fair and say you could do so much more if you were given more.
If I was a chef told to prepare a Sunday roast, and got slated because the best I could do is serve up a cheese omelette due to the fact I only had eggs and cheddar to work with...and no oven either. Then I would consider the people slating me to be wrong.
But those eggs, cheddar and no oven (largely) finished in 7th place last year and therefore served up a half decent roast didn't they
The chef is having a bad time in the kitchen this time around and needs to be let go
No, last year the oven worked, there was lettuce, tomato, cucumber, peppers dressing and other stuff for a nice side salad, and Corporal Jones had delivered some nice sausages too. And we finished 9th.
If we stay up or not, I don't think Powell with get his contract renewed. I can see a foreign nobody coming in, one of Roly's choosing. Most owners like their own men and look for any excuse to get the current manager out when they take over a new club. Seen it happen time and time again.
I have felt that RD has his own coach in mind for the last few weeks and a win today would not have changed that. After not being able to sign Dom Dwyer and after playing Alnwick him being sold and with Stephens / KMG going, the change seems inevitable.
This combined with was watching the Academy youth team beat Southampton with an organised strong, and great passing performance. I thought how different the first team is. I would like Charlton to play a decent passing game. It seems a like time since we have seen that.
Maybe CP can do that with the right players, but I don't think he will get the chance.
Change happens. I can't say I like Duchatelet much and don't like the euro networking team idea or the fact that he seems to be telling the manager who to play. But RD has bought the club and got his plan, lets see it. It will either succeed or Charlton supporters will need to start saving their pennies in a big jar to reclaim the club back.
What I don't like is CP being left to be hung out to dry with a team that has not been strengthened in midfield. The reports from some of the Charlton supporters attending the match seem more positive but as is a needless relegation seems likely.
Getting CP to carry the can for half a rebuilt team, leaving at the end of the season so a new coach can work with a decent rebuilt team is just wrong, disrespectful and cowardly. If RD or that coach has some balls then he should bring in that coach now.
Let that coach deal with the hand that RD wants CP to play with if he thinks that has any chance of working. Or just strengthen the midfield and spare Charlton and the supporters League One again. Give the manager / coach a decent chance. Allow Reza to be given the service to score some goals to warm him up for the world cup and keep Charlton up. RD needs to know that it cannot be guaranteed how many Charlton supporters will go along for the League One ride with a RD London brand if relegation takes place.
So in the past those who have had the balls to suggest anybody have put forward;
Glenn Hoddle Neil Warnock Avram Grant and now Mr Rolandmustknowsomebody.
Not an impressive list for me, and I don't believe they would do any better than Chris Powell, and I reckon in some cases worse.
We lost narrowly at Wigan, yeah painfully, but narrowly. We have had worse than that I can tell you.
It must feel great for all the sneering triumphalists to rip into Powell at every opportunity. I don't suspect they give a toss for the man himself who as far as I can see cares 100%, gives 100%. Mind you giving somebody a hard time may be a form of carnal pleasure to some.
We have no viable alternative at the moment, and personally I don't particularly want one.
Oh by the way to the sneerers, you can declare that I and other posters like me are so far up Chris Powell's backside, or part of the Powell can do no wrong brigade, but as you live in the land of destruction you won't have any constructive ideas will you?
Go on....make the case for Warnock, that would be the easiest start, then move on to Hoddle and Grant and construct a realistic scenario if you think you can. ....but don't list 'loyalty' as one of the new persons strengths please, the irony would taste like bile.
There will eventually be another manager after Chris Powell, not for a long time I hope. I do hope that person realises that if they were to ever lose a match there will be people on here getting the horn at the prospect of having a new target to attack.
I'm not in Powell 100% or Powell out camp but this personality cult that surrounds him is starting to get a bit unhealthy. I don't remember Parky getting this kind of unquestioning support even though he was working in similarly difficult circumstances and I certainly don't remember people having digs at anyone who dared to criticise him.
It's not unreasonable to question the future of someone who has only overseen five wins, even if there are mitigating circumstances. Much as I like CP, if the club was better served by getting rid of him, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
If that makes me a 'sneering triumphalist' then so be it.
I've been thinking myself that this is all getting a bit unhealthy. This attitude that CP can do no wrong and everything and/or everybody else is to blame reminds me of people who are being emotionally and/or physically abused but keep going back for more. Those people also find excuses to blame everybody or everything else. I think that's called denial isn't it?
I think the evidence of our performances and results speak for themselves and if it was anybody else than Chris we'd pretty much all be on the same page that things had to change.
The 'Powell out' camp will be shitting it when he does go. If the new man isn't a miracle worker, you'll look pretty stupid.
How limp is this post... It's not a tit for tat game. Man up for gods sake - our club is in a deep hole - somebody needs to save it. Points scoring won't do it.
Actually uboat is right! He's not point scoring there are people that have been after powells head since before we won league 1, they shut up for a little while when we went up, then spouted the Powell out again crap when we only finished 9th! I mean 9th for Christ sake these people genuinely thought we were going up twice?? This season they've been in their element everything going wrong for the poor guy, everything is powells fault apparently, nothing to do with a diminishing squad and no money, uncertainty about the clubs future, a crappy pitch, unsettled management team, unsettled players...no, all CP fault! The Powell out brigade really in their element the thing is nobody has offered any insight on a suitable replacement or how anybody else could possibly do any better in the same position, neither do they take into consideration that anyone else wouldn't care half as much. Now I wonder like many on here are these Powell haters the same people that were calling for Curbs to get sacked for failing to get us 'to the next stage' (worked out well that)? Or are they still I'm the delusion that curbs will come back one day if enough fail? Do they want us to keep Powell and get relegated just to take the high ground and say 'told you so'? It is just seeming that these people are getting some joy out of us losing just to be proved right. It's about time everyone just done what supporters are supposed to do and support! Support the club, support the team and support the management (whoever they are), get behind them, have faith and maybe Powell might surprise you and we may just stay up.
The real thing is I don't think our chances of relegation have got much worse today. We expected to lose - we lost. And other teams at the bottom lost. The way we played and the way the new players played - according to the fans who were there - tells me that next week is the time to see if we can climb out of this mess gently (with Powell) or whether there will be a massive change. The supporters are behind Powell because up until July we had two great seasons. Since then there has been too much so called "bad luck" and no cover for key injuries (to Kermorgant and Solly). All that is done and ducted now and what Powell has to do is out perform the other clubs at the bottom starting with Birmingham next Saturday. No excuses, doesn't matter how we do it just three points at ten to five.
Would someone from the Powell out brigade, please tell who you would like to replace him. On the match predications thread most of the fans predicted CAFC to lose by at least 3 goals, well CAFC lost 2-1 which was better than most expected. Our new players and owners need to know how the majority of the fans who attend games support CP, well they seem too going by the singing and chanting of his name. He needs the fans support, so lets put our differences aside.
There is a reasoned discussion here, and terms like lumping people into one opinion or another is not helpful. I have always supported CP but realised he made some mistakes and criticised when he has got it wrong. I love Powell as a Charlton legend but the circumstances changed and he is not in a situation where he will prosper. Charlton fans are a mixture of opinions and variable opinion, it is mostly not black or white. We are all in the wanting Charlton to prosper brigade.
It doesn't really matter what any of us think in any case, RDs got a plan and he is not afraid to make an unpopular decision. It is not like anyone will have a say in who the new coach is, so asking who anybody thinks will be good is liking asking the current management team who they would like in the team as a new player. That will be RDs decision and he won't be taking suggestions from us lot.
It was watching the youth team play decent passing football. I want to see that at Charlton again by the first team. Maybe RD will produce a coach who is very good at producing passing football. The change is happening, so RD may as well get on with it and Charlton fans will have to do so as well as bar a lottery windfall and finding a spare 20 million under the bed that you forgot about, it is RDs play. I wish he would do everyone a favour and strength the midfield at the same time, so that whoever is coaching / managing the club is able to put out a competitive team and that supporters are encouraged to continue to support.
I don't think you can say that Scoham as I think he is playing those lads because he has no other choice. Pritchard (as proved today) and Gower simply aren't up to the job, Hughes however is and I don't know why he isn't playing more BUT THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.
Seth - you say we can slate tactical decisions, substitutions and team selection but not to get on Powell's back, but they are all decisions made by him and he is therefore accountable. Are you seriously telling me if you performed as poorly in your job as he has done you would have a good argument not to be let go/put under pressure to walk by the people that judge you? I don't think any of us could even with the poor resources he has. Fact is in life you are the dealt the hand you have and you need to work with what you have got not bitch and moan about it not being fair and say you could do so much more if you were given more.
If I was a chef told to prepare a Sunday roast, and got slated because the best I could do is serve up a cheese omelette due to the fact I only had eggs and cheddar to work with...and no oven either. Then I would consider the people slating me to be wrong.
What if your boss had sold your joint of beef to a rival local restaurant behind your back and brought in Quorn instead? ;-)
I don't normally post the same comment in two different threads but I make an exception in this case...I just don't understand it, there seems to be a Powell hate campaign that People are getting too much enjoyment out of and I don't get why, I know why the scumbags on Charlton Loyal hate Powell but that can't be the case here find I doubt that's the case on ITTV. What everyone is forgetting is that he saved us, we were in the worse state since the exile in the 80's when he joined us, morale was at an all time low and things were looking very dismal, 2 and a bit seasons later we were finished top half of the division above. We had 4 managers between Curbishley and Powell so 5 attempts to get it right. Who's to say that we won't have another 4 or even more between Powell and the next one that brings us any joy. It's not a gamble I want to take, it's more of a gamble sacking him than keeping him and you know I'm right. I like a gamble but would like to have a sensible hand to gamble with, Powell is a sensible hand. He may make mistakes even curbs made mistakes it's only human, Curbishley playing Ilic for too long after he lost his mojo was probably why we got relegated in 99 but he fixed the problems we went up as champs and the rest they say is history. I'm sorry if this all makes me 'strangely obsessed' with Powell but it's my opinion and I'm sticking with it , you call it obsession I call it support!
The 'Powell out' camp will be shitting it when he does go. If the new man isn't a miracle worker, you'll look pretty stupid.
How limp is this post... It's not a tit for tat game. Man up for gods sake - our club is in a deep hole - somebody needs to save it. Points scoring won't do it.
Actually uboat is right! He's not point scoring there are people that have been after powells head since before we won league 1, they shut up for a little while when we went up, then spouted the Powell out again crap when we only finished 9th! I mean 9th for Christ sake these people genuinely thought we were going up twice?? This season they've been in their element everything going wrong for the poor guy, everything is powells fault apparently, nothing to do with a diminishing squad and no money, uncertainty about the clubs future, a crappy pitch, unsettled management team, unsettled players...no, all CP fault! The Powell out brigade really in their element the thing is nobody has offered any insight on a suitable replacement or how anybody else could possibly do any better in the same position, neither do they take into consideration that anyone else wouldn't care half as much. Now I wonder like many on here are these Powell haters the same people that were calling for Curbs to get sacked for failing to get us 'to the next stage' (worked out well that)? Or are they still I'm the delusion that curbs will come back one day if enough fail? Do they want us to keep Powell and get relegated just to take the high ground and say 'told you so'? It is just seeming that these people are getting some joy out of us losing just to be proved right. It's about time everyone just done what supporters are supposed to do and support! Support the club, support the team and support the management (whoever they are), get behind them, have faith and maybe Powell might surprise you and we may just stay up.
A lot of what you say is right, if not all. At Man U there is a Moyes out brigade, Wenger out at Arsenal etc (even when winning, the outers are still there) - for me, CP has been dealt many bad cards.. Pitch , injuries, budget etc BUT, he still trains the squad, sorts tactics and picks the side. This is where it goes wrong. On a Saturday is when he proves himself and, with only. 5 wins, he's not doing enough. At most other clubs, change would have happened by now.
I don't think you can say that Scoham as I think he is playing those lads because he has no other choice. Pritchard (as proved today) and Gower simply aren't up to the job, Hughes however is and I don't know why he isn't playing more BUT THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.
Seth - you say we can slate tactical decisions, substitutions and team selection but not to get on Powell's back, but they are all decisions made by him and he is therefore accountable. Are you seriously telling me if you performed as poorly in your job as he has done you would have a good argument not to be let go/put under pressure to walk by the people that judge you? I don't think any of us could even with the poor resources he has. Fact is in life you are the dealt the hand you have and you need to work with what you have got not bitch and moan about it not being fair and say you could do so much more if you were given more.
If I was a chef told to prepare a Sunday roast, and got slated because the best I could do is serve up a cheese omelette due to the fact I only had eggs and cheddar to work with...and no oven either. Then I would consider the people slating me to be wrong.
What if your boss had sold your joint of beef to a rival local restaurant behind your back and brought in Quorn instead? ;-)
Ah well, seeing as how I'm a Vegetarian, I would creatively make the best of it!
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Seth - you say we can slate tactical decisions, substitutions and team selection but not to get on Powell's back, but they are all decisions made by him and he is therefore accountable. Are you seriously telling me if you performed as poorly in your job as he has done you would have a good argument not to be let go/put under pressure to walk by the people that judge you? I don't think any of us could even with the poor resources he has. Fact is in life you are the dealt the hand you have and you need to work with what you have got not bitch and moan about it not being fair and say you could do so much more if you were given more.
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The chef is having a bad time in the kitchen this time around and needs to be let go
A new broom can surely do no worse than the current managerial team who have long since run out of gas.
Of course they could do worse. I'm not denying the fact that a new management team could improve results, but they could also further weaken the dressing room and lead us down.
I think it's a very sad state of affaires to know that our managers will not be building their own teams whilst Roland is in charge. I find it hard to see the positives in that.
Wellwickman
You do have a point Rob. A new broom can make things worse. I recall Powell taking over from Parkinson & winning 2 out of 17 games in FL1. Fortunately PP had amassed enough points to ensure FL1 survival.
CP is right to state we must stick together & season ticket holders have largely backed him despite one indifferent home performance after another.
We should all be praying he can rally his charges for a battle royale next Saturday.
It's going to be a long week.
I never think its good when you have a owner with different ideas to what Powell thinks however did Powell really choose those players we signed? I always find it madness when any owner does not trust their manager with all the signings. Football should be left to the manager and the business side of things to the owner but if the manager is not getting the results then his job is on the line.
This combined with was watching the Academy youth team beat Southampton with an organised strong, and great passing performance. I thought how different the first team is. I would like Charlton to play a decent passing game. It seems a like time since we have seen that.
Maybe CP can do that with the right players, but I don't think he will get the chance.
Change happens. I can't say I like Duchatelet much and don't like the euro networking team idea or the fact that he seems to be telling the manager who to play. But RD has bought the club and got his plan, lets see it. It will either succeed or Charlton supporters will need to start saving their pennies in a big jar to reclaim the club back.
Getting CP to carry the can for half a rebuilt team, leaving at the end of the season so a new coach can work with a decent rebuilt team is just wrong, disrespectful and cowardly. If RD or that coach has some balls then he should bring in that coach now.
Let that coach deal with the hand that RD wants CP to play with if he thinks that has any chance of working. Or just strengthen the midfield and spare Charlton and the supporters League One again. Give the manager / coach a decent chance. Allow Reza to be given the service to score some goals to warm him up for the world cup and keep Charlton up. RD needs to know that it cannot be guaranteed how many Charlton supporters will go along for the League One ride with a RD London brand if relegation takes place.
I think the evidence of our performances and results speak for themselves and if it was anybody else than Chris we'd pretty much all be on the same page that things had to change.
There's been division behind the scenes, we don't need division in the stands. The Valley is an awful place when there's a poisonous atmosphere.
I'm still behind Powell because he's still the man in charge, but I don't think he's got long.
The only good thing from getting a new man in is that the fans will be fully behind him (as long as it's not Warnock)
The supporters are behind Powell because up until July we had two great seasons. Since then there has been too much so called "bad luck" and no cover for key injuries (to Kermorgant and Solly). All that is done and ducted now and what Powell has to do is out perform the other clubs at the bottom starting with Birmingham next Saturday. No excuses, doesn't matter how we do it just three points at ten to five.
It doesn't really matter what any of us think in any case, RDs got a plan and he is not afraid to make an unpopular decision. It is not like anyone will have a say in who the new coach is, so asking who anybody thinks will be good is liking asking the current management team who they would like in the team as a new player. That will be RDs decision and he won't be taking suggestions from us lot.
It was watching the youth team play decent passing football. I want to see that at Charlton again by the first team. Maybe RD will produce a coach who is very good at producing passing football. The change is happening, so RD may as well get on with it and Charlton fans will have to do so as well as bar a lottery windfall and finding a spare 20 million under the bed that you forgot about, it is RDs play. I wish he would do everyone a favour and strength the midfield at the same time, so that whoever is coaching / managing the club is able to put out a competitive team and that supporters are encouraged to continue to support.
We won't get a mgr we will never get a mgr under RD we will get a head coach
An relative unkown on these shores but someone who is used to and able to work in the enviroment being created
I love powell the man the player the mgr and I want him to stay forever
However it won't happen so put him and me out of my misery and just do it then I can get behind the new man just as much as I am powell
Seeing him being spoken about by cafc fans is so fkd up its ruining following the club