I don't think any of us really know what RD thinks about Powell, although I think it's clear that RD has afforded himself the time to make a decision, hopefully to the end of the season. This suggests to me that he didn't immediately line up a replacement whatever people think.
I read all this stuff about Powell being poor tactically and I ask myself whether it's actually being poor tactically or having to work within the constraints of a squad that's simply not good enough. To me, achieving an all time record points tally in his first full season, and finishing 9th with the same players a level up in his second doesn't speak of someone who doesn't understand tactics as they are relevant to results. Indeed, quite the opposite.
It's also clear that Powell has the full backing of his players. Dale talked about him when he left, as did Yann, and they gave everything today against a team that is frankly better than them.
I would probably agree that Glenn Hoddle is a better tactician than Chris Powell, but then he's probably as good a tactician as anyone in the game. It would be hard to argue though that he's a better man manager. Warnock has some success, but that comes at a price in terms of the type of football being played. Paul Hart has a terrible managerial record and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the first team.
I think we underestimate just how good a manager Chris Powell is. Sadly I think many of us will only learn the lesson when he's gone and been successful with a club that backed him to the hilt, although even then the willfully blind will simply say he learned his trade at our cost.
For me, the very best thing that RD could do would be to agree a way of working with Powell that acknowledged English football and managerial culture and his uniquely suitable-to-Charlton combination of abilities, whilst providing him with the sort of players that only the manager can turn into a team playing winning football.
Today he so nearly pulled it off, and that he was prepared to play three of the new outfield signings suggests he thinks they are the best option - he had no issues playing Alnwick apparently against RD's wishes, so I doubt he would have feared doing it again if he felt it right.
The point is that whoever succeeds him will have to improve on a combination of skills that has proved to be highly successful at Charlton, at least until he no longer had the players capable of doing what was needed. I hope to hope that he knits these players together quickly and that they find a few results in the coming weeks. Because he's earned a break, and I think we as a club would benefit from a backed Chris Powell more than we would him being replaced by any of the names being ventured.
I hope he stays. I suspect he needs to show in the coming weeks that he can win games with this changed group of players .
I will be sick when powell goes but when he goes I will be glad as well because I hate reading shit about a real legend noty about icons or cult heros
Chris thanku for your work your loyallty and carlise away
However you were never supported after season 2 and although I really believe you could do this under RD you won't be given the chance and I am unsure of why you should really
So mr D we all know its coming let's do it and allow you to do your plan how u wish I will whole heartedly support this decison and your new man
PS. There are two teams and two managers out there. One might have better options to change the game without being tactically better, or his opponent being tactically naive.
yes because roland reads this and will sack him so will be all our fault.... not anything to do with our god awful record dire displays gutless performances.. i love cp to death but he is starting to look like a novice now either back him with some top draw loans asap or put him out of his misery and live or die by your next apointment roland.
The 'Powell out' camp will be shitting it when he does go. If the new man isn't a miracle worker, you'll look pretty stupid.
What about if he stays, it stays awful, and we go down?
What about if we make a change, there is an uplift, but it is made too late and we could have stayed up had it been made earlier?
I don't care who looks stupid, I just want us to stay up.
The thing about the linear nature of time is that we never get to find out the 'what ifs'. Would you believe I want us to stay up too. At 4.45 no-one had a problem with Powell, at 4.50 he was a clueless failure, because we didn't go on the attack whilst 1-0 away from home. Still, I'll leave it to all the football experts on here, because they know best.
He is a club legend, but as a player. He chose to go into management, a different career, so shouldn't he be judged on a clean slate so to speak, where what he achieved as a player has nothing to do with it?
He is a club legend, but as a player. He chose to go into management, a different career, so shouldn't he be judged on a clean slate so to speak, where what he achieved as a player has nothing to do with it?
I don't want him to stay because he's a club legend. I want him to stay because I think he's the best man for the job.
So in the past those who have had the balls to suggest anybody have put forward;
Glenn Hoddle Neil Warnock Avram Grant and now Mr Rolandmustknowsomebody.
Not an impressive list for me, and I don't believe they would do any better than Chris Powell, and I reckon in some cases worse.
We lost narrowly at Wigan, yeah painfully, but narrowly. We have had worse than that I can tell you.
It must feel great for all the sneering triumphalists to rip into Powell at every opportunity. I don't suspect they give a toss for the man himself who as far as I can see cares 100%, gives 100%. Mind you giving somebody a hard time may be a form of carnal pleasure to some.
We have no viable alternative at the moment, and personally I don't particularly want one.
Oh by the way to the sneerers, you can declare that I and other posters like me are so far up Chris Powell's backside, or part of the Powell can do no wrong brigade, but as you live in the land of destruction you won't have any constructive ideas will you?
Go on....make the case for Warnock, that would be the easiest start, then move on to Hoddle and Grant and construct a realistic scenario if you think you can. ....but don't list 'loyalty' as one of the new persons strengths please, the irony would taste like bile.
There will eventually be another manager after Chris Powell, not for a long time I hope. I do hope that person realises that if they were to ever lose a match there will be people on here getting the horn at the prospect of having a new target to attack.
I'm not in Powell 100% or Powell out camp but this personality cult that surrounds him is starting to get a bit unhealthy. I don't remember Parky getting this kind of unquestioning support even though he was working in similarly difficult circumstances and I certainly don't remember people having digs at anyone who dared to criticise him.
It's not unreasonable to question the future of someone who has only overseen five wins, even if there are mitigating circumstances. Much as I like CP, if the club was better served by getting rid of him, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
If that makes me a 'sneering triumphalist' then so be it.
Nail on head. Summed it up perfectly. The way anyone who dares to question him is generally dismissed as a loony is ridiculous.
For me it is only a matter of time. He isn't going to fit in with RDs way of doing things, like it or not RD owns the club, he stumped up however many millions to take ownership and he has a way of doing things. The fact that his name is listed as the owner means he is well within his rights to do things his way.
Fans didn't like it at Liege but it has worked.
Whether it works here remains to be seen. What is clear to me is that RD and CP are on a collision course and there will be only one winner.
People might already be seeing RD as the anti-christ, but I'll repeat what I said yesterday. Stephens and Yann would have gone whether RD was here or not. MS & TJ would have been unable to do anything to prevent it. Wiggins would also still be out of contract in 6 months or gone.
but that, as amazing and forever a wonderful time, and memory as it was, it was league one. I want him to stay, but accept him being judged on his merits, not blind devotion-this aint the freemasons.
I am honestly not sure what to think right now, i swap my opinion every 12 hours the last few days.
I love Chrissy, he is a legend and exactly the sort of man i can respect managing this club we all love and want to succeed, i was one of the grown men standing with a tear in my eye when he held up that banner after the Carlisle match(best day for me since 1998) and i agree that he was not backed by the previous owners since we re-joined the second tier but equally if i am honest i am often frustrated by his style of football that we have played under him and dream of watching a Charlton team that at least attempts to plays like a Brighton to use one example, something that i think could be achieved with our new ownership.
I am gutted to lose Yann but i am excited by this takeover and some of the players who have arrived due to the involvement of RD, i think his system of the network of clubs can work and be exciting for us fans (after this season) for the long term.
I just hope Chrissy can work in it and make this club proud again but i fear he will not get till next week and if i am honest, if he can't work in this changed situation and this is all going to end in disaster anyway, i hope he leaves with his head held high sooner rather then later, instead of waiting to be fired.
I am pro SCP and i am pro this new and IMO exciting system of players that have come from the RD takeover, i just want a decision made one way or the other, either give Chrissy a contract and the support in which i think he would succeed once he adapts or bring in a foreign coach who most of us won't have ever heard of, who i will support(if not love like SCP) as i believe they can work if they know what they are doing. (Southampton)
The 'Powell out' camp will be shitting it when he does go. If the new man isn't a miracle worker, you'll look pretty stupid.
And if he stays, football remains boring, we keep losing and we get relegated does that make you look stupid? Not in my eyes. It's all about opinion. Whatever happens someone can say 'I told you so'. We all want the same thing at the end of the day, a successful CAFC. It's just opinions on how we achieve that. I want CP to succeed but 5 wins out of 27 is poor, lowest scorers in the whole FL is poor, the football is poor. At some point he has to take some blame.
So in the past those who have had the balls to suggest anybody have put forward;
Glenn Hoddle Neil Warnock Avram Grant and now Mr Rolandmustknowsomebody.
Not an impressive list for me, and I don't believe they would do any better than Chris Powell, and I reckon in some cases worse.
We lost narrowly at Wigan, yeah painfully, but narrowly. We have had worse than that I can tell you.
It must feel great for all the sneering triumphalists to rip into Powell at every opportunity. I don't suspect they give a toss for the man himself who as far as I can see cares 100%, gives 100%. Mind you giving somebody a hard time may be a form of carnal pleasure to some.
We have no viable alternative at the moment, and personally I don't particularly want one.
Oh by the way to the sneerers, you can declare that I and other posters like me are so far up Chris Powell's backside, or part of the Powell can do no wrong brigade, but as you live in the land of destruction you won't have any constructive ideas will you?
Go on....make the case for Warnock, that would be the easiest start, then move on to Hoddle and Grant and construct a realistic scenario if you think you can. ....but don't list 'loyalty' as one of the new persons strengths please, the irony would taste like bile.
There will eventually be another manager after Chris Powell, not for a long time I hope. I do hope that person realises that if they were to ever lose a match there will be people on here getting the horn at the prospect of having a new target to attack.
I'm not in Powell 100% or Powell out camp but this personality cult that surrounds him is starting to get a bit unhealthy. I don't remember Parky getting this kind of unquestioning support even though he was working in similarly difficult circumstances and I certainly don't remember people having digs at anyone who dared to criticise him.
It's not unreasonable to question the future of someone who has only overseen five wins, even if there are mitigating circumstances. Much as I like CP, if the club was better served by getting rid of him, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
If that makes me a 'sneering triumphalist' then so be it.
If you see Powell has a personality cult I disagree. I also think Chris Powell himself would be more critical of his decisions than you may realise, and possibly more critical than anybody else. I don't think Chris shrugs, says 'oh well another defeat, never mind put the kettle on and it will all be Ok in the morning'. I know for a fact that Chris blames himself for his poor showing in the half season when he first took over. Gary Docherty, Paul Benson et al.
The thing is he reacted, with board support, immediately and we had a record season the following campaign.
Last season with some support (Fuller, Haynes, Hulse for example) we ended up ninth which most people thought was pretty good too. I don't think those who praised Powell for the last two seasons were suckered into a personality cult, but reacting to how he did his job.
Supporting Chris is not about unwavering blind loyalty, but trying to recognise the realities and constraints within which he works, and giving him due credit. Not all success is only down to him alone, getting the support of the board, the coaching staff, the players, and the fans has helped in any success.
I don't think disappointments are down to him alone either. We wouldn't look at the bloke managing Coventry and say he has to go if the team loses, we would say look at his circumstances for a minute and consider.
Those who criticise with reasoned arguments, with positive suggestions are not sneering triumphalists, but there are plenty who criticise who are. On another thread one poster simply states that Powell is 'dog shit'. Is that not a teensy bit sneering?
One thing that unites Chris and ALL of us fans is we want success, we may argue as to what constitutes good or bad football, but we are united by something are we not?
If we want success together, the 'Powell is dog shit' brigade may wish to consider how they could make a constructive contribution.
Pressley is doing a fantastic job at Coventry with a lot of young players and has them playing good football in tougher circumstances than us.
Yet to see any "Powell is dog shit" brigrade and I actually think the out and out refusal to criticise him at all is less constructive. I love the man, but he does get things wrong as all managers do. We all realise the constraints he is under but he is allowed to be criticsed.
Malkly mackay or any other person from the uk will not be given the job
It will be a head coach not a mgr and they will be foreign
Heres hoping - may teach the players to play football instead of keep it tight and hope to hit them on the break. This is why people loved Yann so much because of Powells tactics which was get the ball and pump it up too yann to flick on.
So in the past those who have had the balls to suggest anybody have put forward;
Glenn Hoddle Neil Warnock Avram Grant and now Mr Rolandmustknowsomebody.
Not an impressive list for me, and I don't believe they would do any better than Chris Powell, and I reckon in some cases worse.
We lost narrowly at Wigan, yeah painfully, but narrowly. We have had worse than that I can tell you.
It must feel great for all the sneering triumphalists to rip into Powell at every opportunity. I don't suspect they give a toss for the man himself who as far as I can see cares 100%, gives 100%. Mind you giving somebody a hard time may be a form of carnal pleasure to some.
We have no viable alternative at the moment, and personally I don't particularly want one.
Oh by the way to the sneerers, you can declare that I and other posters like me are so far up Chris Powell's backside, or part of the Powell can do no wrong brigade, but as you live in the land of destruction you won't have any constructive ideas will you?
Go on....make the case for Warnock, that would be the easiest start, then move on to Hoddle and Grant and construct a realistic scenario if you think you can. ....but don't list 'loyalty' as one of the new persons strengths please, the irony would taste like bile.
There will eventually be another manager after Chris Powell, not for a long time I hope. I do hope that person realises that if they were to ever lose a match there will be people on here getting the horn at the prospect of having a new target to attack.
I'm not in Powell 100% or Powell out camp but this personality cult that surrounds him is starting to get a bit unhealthy. I don't remember Parky getting this kind of unquestioning support even though he was working in similarly difficult circumstances and I certainly don't remember people having digs at anyone who dared to criticise him.
It's not unreasonable to question the future of someone who has only overseen five wins, even if there are mitigating circumstances. Much as I like CP, if the club was better served by getting rid of him, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
If that makes me a 'sneering triumphalist' then so be it.
If you see Powell has a personality cult I disagree. I also think Chris Powell himself would be more critical of his decisions than you may realise, and possibly more critical than anybody else. I don't think Chris shrugs, says 'oh well another defeat, never mind put the kettle on and it will all be Ok in the morning'. I know for a fact that Chris blames himself for his poor showing in the half season when he first took over. Gary Docherty, Paul Benson et al.
The thing is he reacted, with board support, immediately and we had a record season the following campaign.
Last season with some support (Fuller, Haynes, Hulse for example) we ended up ninth which most people thought was pretty good too. I don't think those who praised Powell for the last two seasons were suckered into a personality cult, but reacting to how he did his job.
Supporting Chris is not about unwavering blind loyalty, but trying to recognise the realities and constraints within which he works, and giving him due credit. Not all success is only down to him alone, getting the support of the board, the coaching staff, the players, and the fans has helped in any success.
I don't think disappointments are down to him alone either. We wouldn't look at the bloke managing Coventry and say he has to go if the team loses, we would say look at his circumstances for a minute and consider.
Those who criticise with reasoned arguments, with positive suggestions are not sneering triumphalists, but there are plenty who criticise who are. On another thread one poster simply states that Powell is 'dog shit'. Is that not a teensy bit sneering?
One thing that unites Chris and ALL of us fans is we want success, we may argue as to what constitutes good or bad football, but we are united by something are we not?
If we want success together, the 'Powell is dog shit' brigade may wish to consider how they could make a constructive contribution.
Pressley is doing a fantastic job at Coventry with a lot of young players and has them playing good football in tougher circumstances than us.
Yet to see any "Powell is dog shit" brigrade and I actually think the out and out refusal to criticise him at all is less constructive. I love the man, but he does get things wrong as all managers do. We all realise the constraints he is under but he is allowed to be criticsed.
Of course he gats things wrong, but as you say 'as all managers do'. When Manure were 3-1 up at the Valley and Fergie took off Keane and Sheringham he got it wrong. Of course criticise the timing of substitutions, team selection, formations, anything you like, what is frustrating is that any of those particular mistakes can't be seen against the wider picture, and these days lead to a constituency that is stupidly harsh on Powell.
So in the past those who have had the balls to suggest anybody have put forward;
Glenn Hoddle Neil Warnock Avram Grant and now Mr Rolandmustknowsomebody.
Not an impressive list for me, and I don't believe they would do any better than Chris Powell, and I reckon in some cases worse.
We lost narrowly at Wigan, yeah painfully, but narrowly. We have had worse than that I can tell you.
It must feel great for all the sneering triumphalists to rip into Powell at every opportunity. I don't suspect they give a toss for the man himself who as far as I can see cares 100%, gives 100%. Mind you giving somebody a hard time may be a form of carnal pleasure to some.
We have no viable alternative at the moment, and personally I don't particularly want one.
Oh by the way to the sneerers, you can declare that I and other posters like me are so far up Chris Powell's backside, or part of the Powell can do no wrong brigade, but as you live in the land of destruction you won't have any constructive ideas will you?
Go on....make the case for Warnock, that would be the easiest start, then move on to Hoddle and Grant and construct a realistic scenario if you think you can. ....but don't list 'loyalty' as one of the new persons strengths please, the irony would taste like bile.
There will eventually be another manager after Chris Powell, not for a long time I hope. I do hope that person realises that if they were to ever lose a match there will be people on here getting the horn at the prospect of having a new target to attack.
I'm not in Powell 100% or Powell out camp but this personality cult that surrounds him is starting to get a bit unhealthy. I don't remember Parky getting this kind of unquestioning support even though he was working in similarly difficult circumstances and I certainly don't remember people having digs at anyone who dared to criticise him.
It's not unreasonable to question the future of someone who has only overseen five wins, even if there are mitigating circumstances. Much as I like CP, if the club was better served by getting rid of him, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
If that makes me a 'sneering triumphalist' then so be it.
If you see Powell has a personality cult I disagree. I also think Chris Powell himself would be more critical of his decisions than you may realise, and possibly more critical than anybody else. I don't think Chris shrugs, says 'oh well another defeat, never mind put the kettle on and it will all be Ok in the morning'. I know for a fact that Chris blames himself for his poor showing in the half season when he first took over. Gary Docherty, Paul Benson et al.
The thing is he reacted, with board support, immediately and we had a record season the following campaign.
Last season with some support (Fuller, Haynes, Hulse for example) we ended up ninth which most people thought was pretty good too. I don't think those who praised Powell for the last two seasons were suckered into a personality cult, but reacting to how he did his job.
Supporting Chris is not about unwavering blind loyalty, but trying to recognise the realities and constraints within which he works, and giving him due credit. Not all success is only down to him alone, getting the support of the board, the coaching staff, the players, and the fans has helped in any success.
I don't think disappointments are down to him alone either. We wouldn't look at the bloke managing Coventry and say he has to go if the team loses, we would say look at his circumstances for a minute and consider.
Those who criticise with reasoned arguments, with positive suggestions are not sneering triumphalists, but there are plenty who criticise who are. On another thread one poster simply states that Powell is 'dog shit'. Is that not a teensy bit sneering?
One thing that unites Chris and ALL of us fans is we want success, we may argue as to what constitutes good or bad football, but we are united by something are we not?
If we want success together, the 'Powell is dog shit' brigade may wish to consider how they could make a constructive contribution.
Pressley is doing a fantastic job at Coventry with a lot of young players and has them playing good football in tougher circumstances than us.
Yet to see any "Powell is dog shit" brigrade and I actually think the out and out refusal to criticise him at all is less constructive. I love the man, but he does get things wrong as all managers do. We all realise the constraints he is under but he is allowed to be criticsed.
Probably best steer clear of ITTV then.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I just think in his first two full seasons Powell's earned the right to a little more patience, particularly given the very real constraints he's had to work within in that time. He's undoubtedly made mistakes, but no-one gets better without them. In the bigger picture should he be in credit? Undoubtedly yes.
Except we've gone all modern entitled football fan and think if a manager loses a few games - regardless of how good his players are - he should lose his job.
Rikofold and Seth - good to have a constructive conversation with you both. I think the majority on CL need to stop jumping down people's throats just because someone has a different opinion to them. And I will keep away from ITTV!
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I read all this stuff about Powell being poor tactically and I ask myself whether it's actually being poor tactically or having to work within the constraints of a squad that's simply not good enough. To me, achieving an all time record points tally in his first full season, and finishing 9th with the same players a level up in his second doesn't speak of someone who doesn't understand tactics as they are relevant to results. Indeed, quite the opposite.
It's also clear that Powell has the full backing of his players. Dale talked about him when he left, as did Yann, and they gave everything today against a team that is frankly better than them.
I would probably agree that Glenn Hoddle is a better tactician than Chris Powell, but then he's probably as good a tactician as anyone in the game. It would be hard to argue though that he's a better man manager. Warnock has some success, but that comes at a price in terms of the type of football being played. Paul Hart has a terrible managerial record and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the first team.
I think we underestimate just how good a manager Chris Powell is. Sadly I think many of us will only learn the lesson when he's gone and been successful with a club that backed him to the hilt, although even then the willfully blind will simply say he learned his trade at our cost.
For me, the very best thing that RD could do would be to agree a way of working with Powell that acknowledged English football and managerial culture and his uniquely suitable-to-Charlton combination of abilities, whilst providing him with the sort of players that only the manager can turn into a team playing winning football.
Today he so nearly pulled it off, and that he was prepared to play three of the new outfield signings suggests he thinks they are the best option - he had no issues playing Alnwick apparently against RD's wishes, so I doubt he would have feared doing it again if he felt it right.
The point is that whoever succeeds him will have to improve on a combination of skills that has proved to be highly successful at Charlton, at least until he no longer had the players capable of doing what was needed. I hope to hope that he knits these players together quickly and that they find a few results in the coming weeks. Because he's earned a break, and I think we as a club would benefit from a backed Chris Powell more than we would him being replaced by any of the names being ventured.
I hope he stays. I suspect he needs to show in the coming weeks that he can win games with this changed group of players .
Chris thanku for your work your loyallty and carlise away
However you were never supported after season 2 and although I really believe you could do this under RD you won't be given the chance and I am unsure of why you should really
So mr D we all know its coming let's do it and allow you to do your plan how u wish I will whole heartedly support this decison and your new man
Still, I'll leave it to all the football experts on here, because they know best.
Time to leave this conversation, there's always one.
He chose to go into management, a different career, so shouldn't he be judged on a clean slate so to speak, where what he achieved as a player has nothing to do with it?
For me it is only a matter of time. He isn't going to fit in with RDs way of doing things, like it or not RD owns the club, he stumped up however many millions to take ownership and he has a way of doing things. The fact that his name is listed as the owner means he is well within his rights to do things his way.
Fans didn't like it at Liege but it has worked.
Whether it works here remains to be seen. What is clear to me is that RD and CP are on a collision course and there will be only one winner.
People might already be seeing RD as the anti-christ, but I'll repeat what I said yesterday. Stephens and Yann would have gone whether RD was here or not. MS & TJ would have been unable to do anything to prevent it. Wiggins would also still be out of contract in 6 months or gone.
I want him to stay, but accept him being judged on his merits, not blind devotion-this aint the freemasons.
I love Chrissy, he is a legend and exactly the sort of man i can respect managing this club we all love and want to succeed, i was one of the grown men standing with a tear in my eye when he held up that banner after the Carlisle match(best day for me since 1998) and i agree that he was not backed by the previous owners since we re-joined the second tier but equally if i am honest i am often frustrated by his style of football that we have played under him and dream of watching a Charlton team that at least attempts to plays like a Brighton to use one example, something that i think could be achieved with our new ownership.
I am gutted to lose Yann but i am excited by this takeover and some of the players who have arrived due to the involvement of RD, i think his system of the network of clubs can work and be exciting for us fans (after this season) for the long term.
I just hope Chrissy can work in it and make this club proud again but i fear he will not get till next week and if i am honest, if he can't work in this changed situation and this is all going to end in disaster anyway, i hope he leaves with his head held high sooner rather then later, instead of waiting to be fired.
I am pro SCP and i am pro this new and IMO exciting system of players that have come from the RD takeover, i just want a decision made one way or the other, either give Chrissy a contract and the support in which i think he would succeed once he adapts or bring in a foreign coach who most of us won't have ever heard of, who i will support(if not love like SCP) as i believe they can work if they know what they are doing. (Southampton)
Yet to see any "Powell is dog shit" brigrade and I actually think the out and out refusal to criticise him at all is less constructive. I love the man, but he does get things wrong as all managers do. We all realise the constraints he is under but he is allowed to be criticsed.
Its not a bad patch 5 wins in 27 speak s volumes.
This is why people loved Yann so much because of Powells tactics which was get the ball and pump it up too yann to flick on.
Of course criticise the timing of substitutions, team selection, formations, anything you like, what is frustrating is that any of those particular mistakes can't be seen against the wider picture, and these days lead to a constituency that is stupidly harsh on Powell.
Here is the thread:
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/59445/100-reasons-that-chris-powell-is-the-best-manager-for-cafc/p2
The dog shit post is at 7.11 pm.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I just think in his first two full seasons Powell's earned the right to a little more patience, particularly given the very real constraints he's had to work within in that time. He's undoubtedly made mistakes, but no-one gets better without them. In the bigger picture should he be in credit? Undoubtedly yes.
Except we've gone all modern entitled football fan and think if a manager loses a few games - regardless of how good his players are - he should lose his job.