We are scorers of the fewest goals in the division - and have won only five times in 27 league games, a shocking statistic. I expect Duchatelet to give Powell at least half-a-dozen games to see what he does with the revamped squad, mindful of not being cut adrift in the bottom three. If there's no improvement, loyalty and sentiment shouldn't be an excuse for inaction. It would be negligent to watch us flounder badly for half a season without a change of manager and end up being relegated.
If it was up to me he would stay. My opinion or that of anyone else on here counts for nothing I'm afraid. Like others on here I reckon RD would prefer a head coach type person and I fear that may be what we'll get before too much longer.
Next weeks match is crucial. I wait to see a full set of marks from those who were there today - I really think the average marks is a good indicator. Sounds like Reza, Adjarovic and Poyet did OK today There is a big difference next week: We are at home - should help if the fans get behind management and team from the off Piotyr Parsysek in the running? Was he available today Birmingham are not as good as Wigan Wilson or Nego at right back? Thuram or Hamer in goal? The team will have had a full week together - will make a difference
Keep the faith ... three points and then we can take a look at the cup
There is no room for any more hard luck stories and we all have to back the lads.
So in answer to your question - don't be in a hurry - best wait a week
So in the past those who have had the balls to suggest anybody have put forward;
Glenn Hoddle Neil Warnock Avram Grant and now Mr Rolandmustknowsomebody.
Not an impressive list for me, and I don't believe they would do any better than Chris Powell, and I reckon in some cases worse.
We lost narrowly at Wigan, yeah painfully, but narrowly. We have had worse than that I can tell you.
It must feel great for all the sneering triumphalists to rip into Powell at every opportunity. I don't suspect they give a toss for the man himself who as far as I can see cares 100%, gives 100%. Mind you giving somebody a hard time may be a form of carnal pleasure to some.
We have no viable alternative at the moment, and personally I don't particularly want one.
Oh by the way to the sneerers, you can declare that I and other posters like me are so far up Chris Powell's backside, or part of the Powell can do no wrong brigade, but as you live in the land of destruction you won't have any constructive ideas will you?
Go on....make the case for Warnock, that would be the easiest start, then move on to Hoddle and Grant and construct a realistic scenario if you think you can. ....but don't list 'loyalty' as one of the new persons strengths please, the irony would taste like bile.
There will eventually be another manager after Chris Powell, not for a long time I hope. I do hope that person realises that if they were to ever lose a match there will be people on here getting the horn at the prospect of having a new target to attack.
I'm not in Powell 100% or Powell out camp but this personality cult that surrounds him is starting to get a bit unhealthy. I don't remember Parky getting this kind of unquestioning support even though he was working in similarly difficult circumstances and I certainly don't remember people having digs at anyone who dared to criticise him.
It's not unreasonable to question the future of someone who has only overseen five wins, even if there are mitigating circumstances. Much as I like CP, if the club was better served by getting rid of him, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
If that makes me a 'sneering triumphalist' then so be it.
So in the past those who have had the balls to suggest anybody have put forward;
Glenn Hoddle Neil Warnock Avram Grant and now Mr Rolandmustknowsomebody.
Not an impressive list for me, and I don't believe they would do any better than Chris Powell, and I reckon in some cases worse.
We lost narrowly at Wigan, yeah painfully, but narrowly. We have had worse than that I can tell you.
It must feel great for all the sneering triumphalists to rip into Powell at every opportunity. I don't suspect they give a toss for the man himself who as far as I can see cares 100%, gives 100%. Mind you giving somebody a hard time may be a form of carnal pleasure to some.
We have no viable alternative at the moment, and personally I don't particularly want one.
Oh by the way to the sneerers, you can declare that I and other posters like me are so far up Chris Powell's backside, or part of the Powell can do no wrong brigade, but as you live in the land of destruction you won't have any constructive ideas will you?
Go on....make the case for Warnock, that would be the easiest start, then move on to Hoddle and Grant and construct a realistic scenario if you think you can. ....but don't list 'loyalty' as one of the new persons strengths please, the irony would taste like bile.
There will eventually be another manager after Chris Powell, not for a long time I hope. I do hope that person realises that if they were to ever lose a match there will be people on here getting the horn at the prospect of having a new target to attack.
I'm not in Powell 100% or Powell out camp but this personality cult that surrounds him is starting to get a bit unhealthy. I don't remember Parky getting this kind of unquestioning support even though he was working in similarly difficult circumstances and I certainly don't remember people having digs at anyone who dared to criticise him.
It's not unreasonable to question the future of someone who has only overseen five wins, even if there are mitigating circumstances. Much as I like CP, if the club was better served by getting rid of him, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
If that makes me a 'sneering triumphalist' then so be it.
So in the past those who have had the balls to suggest anybody have put forward;
Glenn Hoddle Neil Warnock Avram Grant and now Mr Rolandmustknowsomebody.
Not an impressive list for me, and I don't believe they would do any better than Chris Powell, and I reckon in some cases worse.
We lost narrowly at Wigan, yeah painfully, but narrowly. We have had worse than that I can tell you.
It must feel great for all the sneering triumphalists to rip into Powell at every opportunity. I don't suspect they give a toss for the man himself who as far as I can see cares 100%, gives 100%. Mind you giving somebody a hard time may be a form of carnal pleasure to some.
We have no viable alternative at the moment, and personally I don't particularly want one.
Oh by the way to the sneerers, you can declare that I and other posters like me are so far up Chris Powell's backside, or part of the Powell can do no wrong brigade, but as you live in the land of destruction you won't have any constructive ideas will you?
Go on....make the case for Warnock, that would be the easiest start, then move on to Hoddle and Grant and construct a realistic scenario if you think you can. ....but don't list 'loyalty' as one of the new persons strengths please, the irony would taste like bile.
There will eventually be another manager after Chris Powell, not for a long time I hope. I do hope that person realises that if they were to ever lose a match there will be people on here getting the horn at the prospect of having a new target to attack.
I'm not in Powell 100% or Powell out camp but this personality cult that surrounds him is starting to get a bit unhealthy. I don't remember Parky getting this kind of unquestioning support even though he was working in similarly difficult circumstances and I certainly don't remember people having digs at anyone who dared to criticise him.
It's not unreasonable to question the future of someone who has only overseen five wins, even if there are mitigating circumstances. Much as I like CP, if the club was better served by getting rid of him, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
If that makes me a 'sneering triumphalist' then so be it.
You and me both buddy, good post I agree in totality.
The polish bloke said that we were after him in the summer, I call him a Powell target, as was Gradel I strongly suspect. I also don't think Chris would have been bewildered by the extension to Wiggys contract. I also think that having been alerted to Reza Chris would have been interested.
I think Piotr was saying we originally wanted to sign him next summer wasn't he?
I thought he meant last summer, but came here now because at 20 he wanted to be playing. Either way it suggests that he was a known quantity. Wasn't there some talk of a Scottish manager in Holland who may have given Powell the heads up?
What he's actually quoted as saying is:
"charlton called me two weeks ago and asked if i would transfer in july but i told them that i wanted to go there now, i am very happy to have signed here this month",
which would put contact with him within RD's period of ownership - not proof of anything but, to me, it makes it more likely that he was on RD's radar rather than CP's.
So in the past those who have had the balls to suggest anybody have put forward;
Glenn Hoddle Neil Warnock Avram Grant and now Mr Rolandmustknowsomebody.
Not an impressive list for me, and I don't believe they would do any better than Chris Powell, and I reckon in some cases worse.
We lost narrowly at Wigan, yeah painfully, but narrowly. We have had worse than that I can tell you.
It must feel great for all the sneering triumphalists to rip into Powell at every opportunity. I don't suspect they give a toss for the man himself who as far as I can see cares 100%, gives 100%. Mind you giving somebody a hard time may be a form of carnal pleasure to some.
We have no viable alternative at the moment, and personally I don't particularly want one.
Oh by the way to the sneerers, you can declare that I and other posters like me are so far up Chris Powell's backside, or part of the Powell can do no wrong brigade, but as you live in the land of destruction you won't have any constructive ideas will you?
Go on....make the case for Warnock, that would be the easiest start, then move on to Hoddle and Grant and construct a realistic scenario if you think you can. ....but don't list 'loyalty' as one of the new persons strengths please, the irony would taste like bile.
There will eventually be another manager after Chris Powell, not for a long time I hope. I do hope that person realises that if they were to ever lose a match there will be people on here getting the horn at the prospect of having a new target to attack.
I'm not in Powell 100% or Powell out camp but this personality cult that surrounds him is starting to get a bit unhealthy. I don't remember Parky getting this kind of unquestioning support even though he was working in similarly difficult circumstances and I certainly don't remember people having digs at anyone who dared to criticise him.
It's not unreasonable to question the future of someone who has only overseen five wins, even if there are mitigating circumstances. Much as I like CP, if the club was better served by getting rid of him, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
If that makes me a 'sneering triumphalist' then so be it.
It is all starting to get a bit "Midwich Cuckoos" on CL I agree. Creepy some of the adoration on here.
On results alone he should be out, regardless of what a great fella, the circumstances blah de blah, Charlton Legend he is. I am still surprisingly on the fence and would love him to succeed at Charlton. We are however heading for Division 1 regardless I fear.
The polish bloke said that we were after him in the summer, I call him a Powell target, as was Gradel I strongly suspect. I also don't think Chris would have been bewildered by the extension to Wiggys contract. I also think that having been alerted to Reza Chris would have been interested.
I think Piotr was saying we originally wanted to sign him next summer wasn't he?
I thought he meant last summer, but came here now because at 20 he wanted to be playing. Either way it suggests that he was a known quantity. Wasn't there some talk of a Scottish manager in Holland who may have given Powell the heads up?
What he's actually quoted as saying is:
"charlton called me two weeks ago and asked if i would transfer in july but i told them that i wanted to go there now, i am very happy to have signed here this month",
which would put contact with him within RD's period of ownership - not proof of anything but, to me, it makes it more likely that he was on RD's radar rather than CP's.
Would be ironical if Powell was dismissed after a Wigan away game. The same fate happened to dowie after he had floored jfh in the dressing room at half time.
For me I think he should walk. I have no doubt he is giving his all for the cause and our situation is probably hurting him more than anyone. I do not think RD should sack him however, there is a difference. If RD gives him the boot I fear some CAFC fans will turn against him which will create an even more downbeat and hostile atmosphere.
I think CP can walk now with his head held high. He has given his all under terrible circumstances and has own us a championship. I feel he has taken the group of players as far as he can and he is obviously being dictated to with signings etc from above.
For the good of the club he should walk, the fans will still support him and see him as a hero and the club can find a replacement who hopefully turns our fortunes around on the pitch and keeps us in this division.
I see that as a win win situation all round. If he goes and we don't beat the drop at least we can't turn round and look back and wonder what if we changed it
It IS a results-driven business, and football is a business and always has been. There's just much more money at stake nowadays. I'll add my tuppen'orth, regardless.
1) Without knowing the full extent of the financial crap we were in, I do believe the boy Roly saved us from administration, therefore a points deduction. He will have his input, whether we like it or no. 2) In other results-driven business, the reality is that irrespective of what's going on around you, you have to produce. Now this might be the tele-sales exec on 200 quid a week working for a company that's in danger of going under or it might be the (much admired) football manager of a club with huge apparent internal problems.
I don't like the situation but CP is not alone in his position. Of the 92 league teams out there, how many others are in as bad or even worse position than us? More than a fair few. The reality is that Ro-Land is entitled to run this club, his club, how he sees fit to bring it ultimate success and, no doubt, a decent resale value.
This post is not stabbing the manager in the back; it's merely accepting reality.
The polish bloke said that we were after him in the summer, I call him a Powell target, as was Gradel I strongly suspect. I also don't think Chris would have been bewildered by the extension to Wiggys contract. I also think that having been alerted to Reza Chris would have been interested.
I think Piotr was saying we originally wanted to sign him next summer wasn't he?
Correct. He was saying we were after him to join this summer coming but he himself wanted to come now.
So in the past those who have had the balls to suggest anybody have put forward;
Glenn Hoddle Neil Warnock Avram Grant and now Mr Rolandmustknowsomebody.
Not an impressive list for me, and I don't believe they would do any better than Chris Powell, and I reckon in some cases worse.
We lost narrowly at Wigan, yeah painfully, but narrowly. We have had worse than that I can tell you.
It must feel great for all the sneering triumphalists to rip into Powell at every opportunity. I don't suspect they give a toss for the man himself who as far as I can see cares 100%, gives 100%. Mind you giving somebody a hard time may be a form of carnal pleasure to some.
We have no viable alternative at the moment, and personally I don't particularly want one.
Oh by the way to the sneerers, you can declare that I and other posters like me are so far up Chris Powell's backside, or part of the Powell can do no wrong brigade, but as you live in the land of destruction you won't have any constructive ideas will you?
Go on....make the case for Warnock, that would be the easiest start, then move on to Hoddle and Grant and construct a realistic scenario if you think you can. ....but don't list 'loyalty' as one of the new persons strengths please, the irony would taste like bile.
There will eventually be another manager after Chris Powell, not for a long time I hope. I do hope that person realises that if they were to ever lose a match there will be people on here getting the horn at the prospect of having a new target to attack.
I'm not in Powell 100% or Powell out camp but this personality cult that surrounds him is starting to get a bit unhealthy. I don't remember Parky getting this kind of unquestioning support even though he was working in similarly difficult circumstances and I certainly don't remember people having digs at anyone who dared to criticise him.
It's not unreasonable to question the future of someone who has only overseen five wins, even if there are mitigating circumstances. Much as I like CP, if the club was better served by getting rid of him, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
If that makes me a 'sneering triumphalist' then so be it.
I've got one foot in the Powell out camp and one in the keep the faith camp...
Facts - 5 wins all season (and one of those was due to the weather) is simply not good enough.
The football is poor, too direct and no imagination.
Not the best use of subs and often too cautious.
Up to last week has a team where most of them are out of contract in the summer (including Powell himself)
No funds to improve what is in reality a league one squad.
So what do we do...
I believe Powell was the right man for the job, however, I'm not 100% sure his heart is in it anymore and who can blame him after TJ & MS and who knows what he's been told by RD...
If I was RD I wouldn't offer Powell a contract yet, he needs to be convinced, however that doesn't help the situation...
Therefore, it's with a heavy heart that for the first time I think it might be best for both parties to bring in a new coach, it might be new ideas that could save us...
Chris is a top man who has done great with this club on a budget of zero and a mixture of idiots as chairmen/directors/owners. One day he will be at a top club. If there is any sense left in football Chris will be given the chance, unfortunately i fear that sense does not prevail anymore in football and it is now the owners ‘toy’ Whatever this new owner will do he will do and we are powerless, however the true people of the club, its supporters, will always be there
So in the past those who have had the balls to suggest anybody have put forward;
Glenn Hoddle Neil Warnock Avram Grant and now Mr Rolandmustknowsomebody.
Not an impressive list for me, and I don't believe they would do any better than Chris Powell, and I reckon in some cases worse.
We lost narrowly at Wigan, yeah painfully, but narrowly. We have had worse than that I can tell you.
It must feel great for all the sneering triumphalists to rip into Powell at every opportunity. I don't suspect they give a toss for the man himself who as far as I can see cares 100%, gives 100%. Mind you giving somebody a hard time may be a form of carnal pleasure to some.
We have no viable alternative at the moment, and personally I don't particularly want one.
Oh by the way to the sneerers, you can declare that I and other posters like me are so far up Chris Powell's backside, or part of the Powell can do no wrong brigade, but as you live in the land of destruction you won't have any constructive ideas will you?
Go on....make the case for Warnock, that would be the easiest start, then move on to Hoddle and Grant and construct a realistic scenario if you think you can. ....but don't list 'loyalty' as one of the new persons strengths please, the irony would taste like bile.
There will eventually be another manager after Chris Powell, not for a long time I hope. I do hope that person realises that if they were to ever lose a match there will be people on here getting the horn at the prospect of having a new target to attack.
I'm not in Powell 100% or Powell out camp but this personality cult that surrounds him is starting to get a bit unhealthy. I don't remember Parky getting this kind of unquestioning support even though he was working in similarly difficult circumstances and I certainly don't remember people having digs at anyone who dared to criticise him.
It's not unreasonable to question the future of someone who has only overseen five wins, even if there are mitigating circumstances. Much as I like CP, if the club was better served by getting rid of him, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
If that makes me a 'sneering triumphalist' then so be it.
If you see Powell has a personality cult I disagree. I also think Chris Powell himself would be more critical of his decisions than you may realise, and possibly more critical than anybody else. I don't think Chris shrugs, says 'oh well another defeat, never mind put the kettle on and it will all be Ok in the morning'. I know for a fact that Chris blames himself for his poor showing in the half season when he first took over. Gary Docherty, Paul Benson et al.
The thing is he reacted, with board support, immediately and we had a record season the following campaign.
Last season with some support (Fuller, Haynes, Hulse for example) we ended up ninth which most people thought was pretty good too. I don't think those who praised Powell for the last two seasons were suckered into a personality cult, but reacting to how he did his job.
Supporting Chris is not about unwavering blind loyalty, but trying to recognise the realities and constraints within which he works, and giving him due credit. Not all success is only down to him alone, getting the support of the board, the coaching staff, the players, and the fans has helped in any success.
I don't think disappointments are down to him alone either. We wouldn't look at the bloke managing Coventry and say he has to go if the team loses, we would say look at his circumstances for a minute and consider.
Those who criticise with reasoned arguments, with positive suggestions are not sneering triumphalists, but there are plenty who criticise who are. On another thread one poster simply states that Powell is 'dog shit'. Is that not a teensy bit sneering?
One thing that unites Chris and ALL of us fans is we want success, we may argue as to what constitutes good or bad football, but we are united by something are we not?
If we want success together, the 'Powell is dog shit' brigade may wish to consider how they could make a constructive contribution.
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There is a big difference next week:
We are at home - should help if the fans get behind management and team from the off
Piotyr Parsysek in the running? Was he available today
Birmingham are not as good as Wigan
Wilson or Nego at right back? Thuram or Hamer in goal?
The team will have had a full week together - will make a difference
Keep the faith ... three points and then we can take a look at the cup
There is no room for any more hard luck stories and we all have to back the lads.
So in answer to your question - don't be in a hurry - best wait a week
I'm not in Powell 100% or Powell out camp but this personality cult that surrounds him is starting to get a bit unhealthy. I don't remember Parky getting this kind of unquestioning support even though he was working in similarly difficult circumstances and I certainly don't remember people having digs at anyone who dared to criticise him.
It's not unreasonable to question the future of someone who has only overseen five wins, even if there are mitigating circumstances. Much as I like CP, if the club was better served by getting rid of him, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
If that makes me a 'sneering triumphalist' then so be it.
"charlton called me two weeks ago and asked if i would transfer in july but i told them that i wanted to go there now, i am very happy to have signed here this month",
which would put contact with him within RD's period of ownership - not proof of anything but, to me, it makes it more likely that he was on RD's radar rather than CP's.
On results alone he should be out, regardless of what a great fella, the circumstances blah de blah, Charlton Legend he is. I am still surprisingly on the fence and would love him to succeed at Charlton. We are however heading for Division 1 regardless I fear.
Prepare for a foreign head coach working under a DOF
For me I think he should walk. I have no doubt he is giving his all for the cause and our situation is probably hurting him more than anyone. I do not think RD should sack him however, there is a difference. If RD gives him the boot I fear some CAFC fans will turn against him which will create an even more downbeat and hostile atmosphere.
I think CP can walk now with his head held high. He has given his all under terrible circumstances and has own us a championship. I feel he has taken the group of players as far as he can and he is obviously being dictated to with signings etc from above.
For the good of the club he should walk, the fans will still support him and see him as a hero and the club can find a replacement who hopefully turns our fortunes around on the pitch and keeps us in this division.
I see that as a win win situation all round. If he goes and we don't beat the drop at least we can't turn round and look back and wonder what if we changed it
1) Without knowing the full extent of the financial crap we were in, I do believe the boy Roly saved us from administration, therefore a points deduction. He will have his input, whether we like it or no.
2) In other results-driven business, the reality is that irrespective of what's going on around you, you have to produce. Now this might be the tele-sales exec on 200 quid a week working for a company that's in danger of going under or it might be the (much admired) football manager of a club with huge apparent internal problems.
I don't like the situation but CP is not alone in his position. Of the 92 league teams out there, how many others are in as bad or even worse position than us? More than a fair few. The reality is that Ro-Land is entitled to run this club, his club, how he sees fit to bring it ultimate success and, no doubt, a decent resale value.
This post is not stabbing the manager in the back; it's merely accepting reality.
Facts - 5 wins all season (and one of those was due to the weather) is simply not good enough.
The football is poor, too direct and no imagination.
Not the best use of subs and often too cautious.
Up to last week has a team where most of them are out of contract in the summer (including Powell himself)
No funds to improve what is in reality a league one squad.
So what do we do...
I believe Powell was the right man for the job, however, I'm not 100% sure his heart is in it anymore and who can blame him after TJ & MS and who knows what he's been told by RD...
If I was RD I wouldn't offer Powell a contract yet, he needs to be convinced, however that doesn't help the situation...
Therefore, it's with a heavy heart that for the first time I think it might be best for both parties to bring in a new coach, it might be new ideas that could save us...
If there is any sense left in football Chris will be given the chance, unfortunately i fear that sense does not prevail anymore in football and it is now the owners ‘toy’
Whatever this new owner will do he will do and we are powerless, however the true people of the club, its supporters, will always be there
But what are we wishing for? At this rate we will be relegated!
I know for a fact that Chris blames himself for his poor showing in the half season when he first took over. Gary Docherty, Paul Benson et al.
The thing is he reacted, with board support, immediately and we had a record season the following campaign.
Last season with some support (Fuller, Haynes, Hulse for example) we ended up ninth which most people thought was pretty good too. I don't think those who praised Powell for the last two seasons were suckered into a personality cult, but reacting to how he did his job.
Supporting Chris is not about unwavering blind loyalty, but trying to recognise the realities and constraints within which he works, and giving him due credit. Not all success is only down to him alone, getting the support of the board, the coaching staff, the players, and the fans has helped in any success.
I don't think disappointments are down to him alone either. We wouldn't look at the bloke managing Coventry and say he has to go if the team loses, we would say look at his circumstances for a minute and consider.
Those who criticise with reasoned arguments, with positive suggestions are not sneering triumphalists, but there are plenty who criticise who are. On another thread one poster simply states that Powell is 'dog shit'. Is that not a teensy bit sneering?
One thing that unites Chris and ALL of us fans is we want success, we may argue as to what constitutes good or bad football, but we are united by something are we not?
If we want success together, the 'Powell is dog shit' brigade may wish to consider how they could make a constructive contribution.
Unfortunately I think he'll be gone this week
It will be a head coach not a mgr and they will be foreign
What about if we make a change, there is an uplift, but it is made too late and we could have stayed up had it been made earlier?
I don't care who looks stupid, I just want us to stay up.